Thule Sarmatia

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Below is the introduction of a Ukrainian organization. They support the White race AND the Nation of Aztlan. They reject national chauvinism. According to them, Kosovo is not Serbia. It is part of Greater Albania. Albanians are Paleo-Indo-Europeans (Illyrians) who must be respected. Of course, they also believe that Ukrainians are true Aryans while Russians are semi-bastardized half-Mongols. The group's founder, Oleg Ansar Gutsulyak, says that "there is no Russian Unity. Only Ukrainians are keepers of a Primordial Aryan Ancestral Home (Aratta/Aryavarta)." He argues that Russians are "wild Asian Ugro-Finns." Russians speaking a Slavic language is similar to cannibal Aborigines in Australia speaking English.

Constantin


THULE-SARMATIA
(UKRAINE RUSSIA BULGARIA GERMANY IDEL IBERIA AZTLAN ATROPATENA)
(The Great Sarmatian Brotherhood - Kimmerian Axis - Guardians of Tradition)

We Are The Division of Metapolitical Association
NEW RIGHT INTERNATIONAL
and Die Internationale Bewegung das Thule-Gesellschaft

http://thule-sarmatia.blogspot.com
http://www.mesogaia-sarmatia.narod.ru
http://www.mesogaia.narod.ru
http://www.livejournal.com/community/mesogaia_sarmat
http://www.narratif.narod.ru
http://ru.volgota.com
http://www.loveyourace.front.ru
http://www.new-right.org/
http://www.aztlan.net
http://www.bulgaria88.narod.ru
http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/culturalthule
http://www.newatropatena.narod.ru

We - members of the International White Movement " The Right of Race " - one of ideological brigades of World Aryan Resistance, address to everyone whom road FREEDOM and VALUE of our RACE, to begin on struggle against the international capitalist expansion, what forms it would not accept - the extreme liberalism, the raging Bolshevism or the preconvinced nationalism. Let your payment in the general struggle will be small. But from streamlets and the rivers of our Actions that Aryan Ocean of Punishment in which all forever will be lost unhuman and devilish will spread. Someone wants, that we have somewhat quicker broken up not having had time yet to type, to become known that somebody has destroyed us. We belive that the White race is the most advanced. Is there another race out there that always clears the battle feild? The white mind has got to be the greatest because any country that has a government controled by White people has succeeded and are the superpowers of the world.The main thing here in other: we SHALL be ALWAYS EVEN IF us it WILL not be VISIBLE! WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE! 14|88!

A HAIL TO THE FORTHCOMING HELGI AVATAR OF LAST TRUMPETS!

[Józef Piłsudski]

while Russians are semi-bastardized half-Mongols. The group's founder, Oleg Ansar Gutsulyak, says that "there is no Russian Unity. He argues that Russians are "wild Asian Ugro-Finns." Russians speaking a Slavic language is similar to cannibal Aborigines in Australia speaking English.

Constantin
Now there's a good western Ukrainian :D !

[Gleb]

Ukrainians are true Aryans while Russians are semi-bastardized half-Mongols. The group's founder, Oleg Ansar Gutsulyak, says that "there is no Russian Unity. Only Ukrainians are keepers of a Primordial Aryan Ancestral Home (Aratta/Aryavarta)." He argues that Russians are "wild Asian Ugro-Finns." Russians speaking a Slavic language is similar to cannibal Aborigines in Australia speaking English.

Constantin

Without going into details about who is Slavic and who is not, think about it - who are Russians and who are Ukranians? I mean come on! Who would even know that Ukranians existed was it not for the Russians? And not just Ukranians - the whole Slavic race is only famous because of the Russians and if Russians are not a part of it, than it is too bad for the Slavic race and not vice versa.

One thing he is right at - Russians are not the same race Ukranians are, whatever it is they happen to be. Ukranians are closer to the Balkan peoples racially, linguistically and culturally. If that is the original Slavic homeland, then so be it.

[Hakluyt]

Am I mistaken in my impression that Ukrainians have a higher proportion of extra-European admixture, particularly via Crimea? No doubt there are higher total numbers of mongrelised Russians, but I am fairly certain the Ukraine has a higher ratio of such.

[Isra'il Yahya]

That depends on whether you view the Tatars as white or not. The Baltic peoples view them as brothers and kin.

[Józef Piłsudski]

Am I mistaken in my impression that Ukrainians have a higher proportion of extra-European admixture, particularly via Crimea? No doubt there are higher total numbers of mongrelised Russians, but I am fairly certain the Ukraine has a higher ratio of such.
Crimea is a semi-Automonous region of Ukraine that is predominantly Russian.

I'm not too sure about interactions between Ukrainians and Crimean tartars except that the Crimeans were notorious slave traders who ventured into Ukraine and Russia to terrorize and enslave the population.

Though I am half-Ukrainian, I could care less about how "white" Ukrainians are - I am not convinced that there is such thing as "pure" white nor am I convinced of any sort of racial theories for that matter. I just like to bash filthy mongrel Russians! :)

[Józef Piłsudski]

Without going into details about who is Slavic and who is not, think about it - who are Russians and who are Ukranians? I mean come on! Who would even know that Ukranians existed was it not for the Russians? And not just Ukranians - the whole Slavic race is only famous because of the Russians and if Russians are not a part of it, than it is too bad for the Slavic race and not vice versa.

That is a rather simplistic view of Eastern European history. If certain historical episodes had been unfavourable to the Russians then it could have easily been another Slavic country that could have dominated the region.


One thing he is right at - Russians are not the same race Ukranians are, whatever it is they happen to be. Ukranians are closer to the Balkan peoples racially, linguistically and culturally. If that is the original Slavic homeland, then so be it.
I'm not too sure about "racially" closer to the Balkan nations, or if that can even be proven one way or the other. However, it is my understanding that linguistically Ukrainian is much closer to Polish.

[Gleb]

That is a rather simplistic view of Eastern European history. If certain historical episodes had been unfavourable to the Russians then it could have easily been another Slavic country that could have dominated the region.


You know if certain historical events were more favourable for the Australian aborigenes they could have easily dominated the world by now and we all would be speaking their language. Or Eskimoes.


I'm not too sure about "racially" closer to the Balkan nations, or if that can even be proven one way or the other. However, it is my understanding that linguistically Ukrainian is much closer to Polish.

Honestly I couldn't care less whom it is they are closest to, the way I do not care whom it is African pigmees are closest to, as these two groups of people are of about equal importance to the world around them.

[Gleb]

Though I am half-Ukrainian

My sincere condolences...

I just like to bash filthy mongrel Russians!

The only way you could bash Russians is the same way a pekinese could bash a bear. Through yapping, that is.

[Gleb]

Am I mistaken in my impression that Ukrainians have a higher proportion of extra-European admixture, particularly via Crimea?

Mostly via Jewish ghettos and Turks, but Tatars surely have left the mark on their racial compostition.

[Gleb]

Notice how a Russian would never or very seldom put "Slavic" as the description of his on-line personality, while any other Slavic national would proudly put it on display for everybody to see. The reason is because they would feel too insignificant to be just Polish or just Ukranian, so they put Slavic to be a part of something bigger, created mostly and exclusively by Russians. Like I said no one would even know what a "Slav" means, have it not been for the Russians. For a Russian to be Slavic is just another label without any real meaning, because the term "Russian" is way bigger than "Slavic". I mean - does an average American know what "Slavic" means? Probably not. Does he know what "Russian" means? Hell yes. If tomorrow Russians will stop applying the term "Slavic" to describe their identity and adopt another one, let's say "finno-ugrics" or "Mongoloid bastards", guess what, it will be cool do be a Mongoloid bastard and it would suck to be "Slavic" ;)

[Józef Piłsudski]

You know if certain historical events were more favourable for the Australian aborigenes they could have easily dominated the world by now and we all would be speaking their language. Or Eskimoes.

Exactly, you know nothing of Eastern European history.

Honestly I couldn't care less whom it is they are closest to, the way I do not care whom it is African pigmees are closest to, as these two groups of people are of about equal importance to the world around them.
You say you don't care yet you felt obliged to point out who we were closer to.....

[Origenes]

Notice how a Russian would never or very seldom put "Slavic" as the description of his on-line personality, while any other Slavic national would proudly put it on display for everybody to see. The reason is because they would feel too insignificant to be just Polish or just Ukranian, so they put Slavic to be a part of something bigger, created mostly and exclusively by Russians. Like I said no one would even know what a "Slav" means, have it not been for the Russians. For a Russian to be Slavic is just another label without any real meaning, because the term "Russian" is way bigger than "Slavic". I mean - does an average American know what "Slavic" means? Probably not. Does he know what "Russian" means? Hell yes. If tomorrow Russians will stop applying the term "Slavic" to describe their identity and adopt another one, let's say "finno-ugrics" or "Mongoloid bastards", guess what, it will be cool do be a Mongoloid bastard and it would suck to be "Slavic" ;)

Although it's still the lesser evil compared with Ukrainian "nationalists" who claim that Russians are not Slavs, this what you wrote here is crap.
I definitely don't call myself a Slav because of Russia, but because I have a strong feeling of belonging together to Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Montenegrins, Russians, Poles, Chechs and Slovaks (Bulgars not so much) and because I identify with Slavic culture.

[Gleb]

Although it's still the lesser evil compared with Ukrainian "nationalists" who claim that Russians are not Slavs, this what you wrote here is crap.
I definitely don't call myself a Slav because of Russia, but because I have a strong feeling of belonging together to Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Montenegrins, Russians, Poles, Chechs and Slovaks (Bulgars not so much) and because I identify with Slavic culture.

That's kind of like I used to feel, but to tell the truth there is no such thing as Slavic culture, there is very little that bonds different Slavic countries together. They are no closer to me than other Europeans. I do not know how other Slavic nationals feel, but as a Russian I do not see any unity.

[Cadavre Exquis]

That's kind of like I used to feel, but to tell the truth there is no such thing as Slavic culture, there is very little that bonds different Slavic countries together. They are no closer to me than other Europeans. I do not know how other Slavic nationals feel, but as a Russian I do not see any unity.

I think on a personal level I may feel a closer connection to a Slav than other Europeans. However, with the political atmosphere in Eastern and Central Europe as it is now, especially in terms of EU and NATO pressure on Russia, many countries are becoming more European and less Slavic. It's hard to tell how this will affect individual citizens, but I think still has some impact on distancing Russia from other Slavic nations.

[Origenes]

I think on a personal level I may feel a closer connection to a Slav than other Europeans. However, with the political atmosphere in Eastern and Central Europe as it is now, especially in terms of EU and NATO pressure on Russia, many countries are becoming more European and less Slavic. It's hard to tell how this will affect individual citizens, but I think still has some impact on distancing Russia from other Slavic nations.

I fully agree. Russia is the only state today that deserves to call itself Slavic. In my opinion all others have become pathetic puppets of the West (not by force but because they want it so!) and I would see no problem if Russia invades them and makes collonies of them. They deserve it.
Especially the Yugoslav nations have proven that they are not able to stand on their own feet. I really understand every Russian that says he doesn't want to have anything to do with them and that he sees no similarities (though I believe he doesn't want to see them, what's understandable). Take care for your country, make it a superpower again, and give a shit about the rest.

Pozdrav!