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humanist
01-29-2006, 01:33 AM
It behoves us to consider some of the problems that a male-dominated society has engendered, specifically for the individuals here who are wont to denigrate feminism and equality of the sexes.

[1] The masculine pursuit of politics is one that embraces 'courageous leaders' for the sake of courage, bold and aggressive policy-making denying attempts at social harmony and cohesion. It is divisive and tribalistic.
[2] The concentration upon aggressive competition has moreover shaped our philosophical considerations. Economics that abandons the welfare of the "weak", emphasis upon the individual over the good of society, a focus upon regimented hierarchies, a willingness to promote concepts of the person as a discrete individual and not a member of society, a lack of empathy; all products of masculinised society.
[3] Marital breakups, children without male role-models, men without parenting skills and women without employment or education; products of societies that have seen women's role as in the kitchen with the children.
[4] Fractious work environments, undervaluing of interpersonal skills, gender equality, but also curiously enough tolerance of states that continue to oppress womankind.

These are just some. Of course, we continue to live in a masculinised society. Therefore, if one just looks around oneself, further problems should become painfully manifest.

Blaphbee
01-29-2006, 01:42 AM
I have to say, you're a fantastic troll.

There are a great many people who are now going to destroy this insipid argument of yours. I haven't the time presently.

Ta.

p.s. one thing before I go:[3] Marital breakups,
I hope you aren't implying that this is the fault of males, and males only.

If so, that dashed any hopes I had of you being a sensible individual.

Regardless, your agenda is becoming clearer by the post. Thanks for the entertainment tonight.

Ahknaton
01-29-2006, 01:46 AM
Of course, we continue to live in a masculinised society.Is the weather nice in your alternate reality?

Fade the Butcher
01-29-2006, 02:12 AM
It behoves us to consider some of the problems that a male-dominated society has engendered, specifically for the individuals here who are wont to denigrate feminism and equality of the sexes.

You're right. Where would we be without the contributions to our society of such eminent figures like Andrea Dworkin and Carol Gilligan?

[1] The masculine pursuit of politics is one that embraces 'courageous leaders' for the sake of courage, bold and aggressive policy-making denying attempts at social harmony and cohesion. It is divisive and tribalistic.

No. This is a characteristic of heroic societies, not masculinity per se. Plato attached enormous importance to social harmony and cohesion in The Republic. But you are right. Let's trash the works of Homer like the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Eddas, the Arthur Legends, the Troubadour poems, the Nibelungenlied and so on. Let's torture our children by forcing them to read Nel Noddings instead.

[2]The concentration upon aggressive competition has moreover shaped our philosophical considerations.

This stems from the sort of liberal individualism you endorse. Avarice was condemened as a vice throughout Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

Economics that abandons the welfare of the "weak"

The Spartans forsake excesses of wealth. The unrestrained accumulation of private wealth at the expense of the poor is justified by liberal philosophy.

emphasis upon the individual over the good of society

Hey. That sounds familiar. Where have we heard this before? Liberalism.

a focus upon regimented hierarchies

Which is demanded by justice.

a willingness to promote concepts of the person as a discrete individual and not a member of society, a lack of empathy; all products of masculinised society.

Have you been masculinized?

[3] Marital breakups, children without male role-models, men without parenting skills

This sounds awfully familiar. It sounds like American society after feminism and expressive individualism.

and women without employment or education; products of societies that have seen women's role as in the kitchen with the children.

This is a bizarre definition of masculinity. Women have traditionally worked just like men in providing for the household.

[4] Fractious work environments, undervaluing of interpersonal skills

This sort of anonymity is a side effect of capitalism.

gender equality, but also curiously enough tolerance of states that continue to oppress womankind.

That's not our concern.

These are just some. Of course, we continue to live in a masculinised society.

We live in a feminized society.

Therefore, if one just looks around oneself, further problems should become painfully manifest.

Feminism is one such problem.

Ahknaton
01-29-2006, 03:19 AM
humanist,

I think you need to address the lack of gender balance in your avatar and signature.

Kodos
01-29-2006, 07:17 AM
It behoves us to consider some of the problems that a male-dominated society has engendered

Kinder, Küche, Kirche. If it requires a massive government apparatus and a bloodsucking lawyer class to get women out of this role then maybe it really is their natural role.

Marital breakups, children without male role-models

Feminism is more responsible for this then any other factor. And btw the impact of women en masse on politics since they've been given suffrage has been an absolute disaster for western civilization.

Thomas777
01-29-2006, 07:22 AM
Well Humanist, when you consider that the only reason that you have any "rights" at all is because men have elected to allow you to enjoy those "rights", your entire argument falls a little flat, now doesn't it?