Prominant Holocaust Denier shatters more establishment falsehoods

[Sulla the Dictator]

I couldn't resist. :D

Joan d'Arc: Michael, in your excellent on-line article entitled "The Scapegoat: Ted Kaczynski, Ritual Murder and the Invocation of Catastrophe," www.hoffman-info.com you write that the Unabom case has been "rubber-stamped in newsrooms with the logo of the FBI." As you explain, a very un-American collusion between the media and the FBI from the beginning primed the public for Ted Kaczynski's guilt without due process and trial. Have we been witness again to a 'lone nut' in the making?

Michael Hoffman: Yes, this is the point I make in my essay, "Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade." It fits the classic profile from Oswald to Arthur Bremer to Tim McVeigh. The tip-off is when you see, at the height of the investigation, that the chief suspect is apprehended and yet there is no search for accomplices. This was true with "Son of Sam" and now with Kaczynski. How was the FBI so certain Kaczynski had zero accomplices? Because they had Kaczynski under surveillance for years. They were shepherding him. Unabom is a Federal government operation
d'Arc: You note that Kaczynski, an alleged "publicity-obsessed serial killer," was peculiarly reticent at his sentencing. At this opportune time, with the media spotlight on him, Kaczynski only stated that his opinions had been distorted and he would make a statement later. What did you find strange about this? Do you think Mr. Kaczynski was immediately put on a pharmaceutical such as Prozac, or has had a mind control implant of some sort, and remains under the influence of such?

Hoffman: I really have no idea what he was on. My essay on Unabom was published in "Apocalypse Culture II" (Feral House) in edited form. They even printed words I never wrote, including that I assert that Kaczynski definitely ingested a "drug soup." I never wrote that. What I actually wrote is that when the judge only asked Kaczynski at his sentencing if he had taken any medication in the "previous 24 hours," that the time frame cited was too narrow and that the effects of long-term use of such drugs as Prozac and Luvox (the drugs of the Columbine killers and Kip Kinkel) take longer than 24 hours to subside. If indeed Kaczynski had been ingesting them.

I point out that Kaczynski's behavior during his pre-sentencing incarceration may have been the result of government-imposed medication or even as you suggest, an implant. But I have no evidence to prove that.


http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/scapegoat.html

[Petr]

You simply couldn't imagine that the nicey-nicey establishment could ever even contemplate doing something like that, right?


Petr

[Sulla the Dictator]

You simply couldn't imagine that the nicey-nicey establishment could ever even contemplate doing something like that, right?


Petr

I think we both know that there is no "Unabomber conspiracy".

[Petr]

I think we both know that there is no "Unabomber conspiracy".
What makes you feel so sure about it, besides that vague, intuitive sense of superficial "rationalism"?


Petr

[Sulla the Dictator]

What makes you feel so sure about it, besides that vague, intuitive sense of superficial "rationalism"?


Petr

I think people are perfectly capable of commiting crimes and murdering innocents without a Freemason command and control being established ten feet below the crime scene.

[cerberus]

King-Kill 33
On the Occult Aspects of the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. By James Shelby Downard and Michael A. Hoffman II. 41 pages in ring-binder format.

Always something to sell these folks .
Perhaps satan was behind JFK's killing sort of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" sort of way.

[Sulla the Dictator]

King-Kill 33
On the Occult Aspects of the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. By James Shelby Downard and Michael A. Hoffman II. 41 pages in ring-binder format.

Always something to sell these folks .
Perhaps satan was behind JFK's killing sort of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" sort of way.

The question a reasonable person must ask themselves is: Why does this "study" attract these...."people". :p

[Sulla the Dictator]

A brilliant treatise. :D

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare

Revised, enhanced and greatly expanded 2001 edition of this classic work, which illuminates the crimes and command ideology of the masonic Cryptocracy, where ground zero meets the zero hour in a bestial crucible of ritual murder, human alchemy and demonic invasion.

By Michael Hoffman II

[cerberus]

Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy By James Shelby Downard with Michael A. Hoffman II
Sulla mr Hoffman has his name on this as well , so perhaps the fire control point does exist .:rofl:

[Sulla the Dictator]

Masonic Assassination

One of Hoffman's earliest studies of the cryptocracy (1978), while still an undergraduate. Here are brief but penetrating analyses of the murders of three famous people killed by Freemasons--Mormon founder Joseph Smith, literary great Edgar Allan Poe and writer William Morgan. This pamphlet also includes appendices on: Alchemy in Dallas, Masonic Jurisprudence and the Ninth Degree of the Scottish Rite. Illustrated. 29 pages.


This one comes with pictures.

[Ahknaton]

If you parse what he said closely, he simply acknowledges the drugging of Kaczynski as a theoretical possibility, he doesn't outright claim that it happened:

"may have been the result of government-imposed medication or even as you suggest, an implant. But I have no evidence to prove that."

He also acknowledges without prompting that he has no evidence, which implies that he accepts that some factual evidence would be required to support such a sensational claim and that he cannot simply engage in fact-free fantasising. The suggestion that a chip was implanted was not his, but that of the interviewer.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy By James Shelby Downard with Michael A. Hoffman II
Sulla mr Hoffman has his name on this as well , so perhaps the fire control point does exist .:rofl:

Those who don't believe in the Holocaust should open their eyes to the Satanists who are behind every other 'historical' disaster.

This Holocaust thing is just the tip of the iceburg. :D

[cerberus]

That it must be true. If i employ the same level of proof that H. deniers demand.:rofl:

[Petr]

Those who don't believe in the Holocaust should open their eyes to the Satanists who are behind every other 'historical' disaster.
Strawmanning.

You two are just materialistic, sneering philistines. Masons call uninitiated people like you "cowans."

And by the way. Hoffman specifically opposes uncontrolled, wildly speculating conspiracy theories, saying they are often released purposefully to draw attention from authentic conspiracies.


"They guard against this by seeding all kinds of X-files style "noise" into the ranks of conspiracy students - all intended to mislead and to muddy the waters so that one clear voice of discernment, one vision for decoding the story, can't be seen or heard amid the competing din."

http://www.whale.to/b/hoffman1.html


Petr

[cerberus]

You two are just materialistic, sneering philistines. Masons call uninitiated people like you "cowans."
Petr, and quite rightly so. It's hard to take this seriously.
As I said before , these folks always have something to sell , its like history via "Del Boy and Rodney" from "Fools and Horses".
US members may not be up to speed on "Del Boy" , but it was one of the best BBC sitcom's ever made.
A serach on BBc site will bring him up, a National icon.;)

[Petr]

As I said before , these folks always have something to sell , its like history via "Del Boy and Rodney" from "Fools and Horses".
This is precisely a philistine approach, you assume that they are all in it "just for money."


Petr

[cerberus]

Must be my Jewish streak.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Strawmanning.
You two are just materialistic, sneering philistines. Masons call uninitiated people like you "cowans."


I leer more than I sneer. :cool:


And by the way. Hoffman specifically opposes uncontrolled, wildly speculating conspiracy theories, saying they are often released purposefully to draw attention from authentic conspiracies.


I must have missed this between his theory that the Unabomber was a patsy and his notion about the Occultist JFK assassination.

[Starr]

Hoffman specifically opposes uncontrolled, wildly speculating conspiracy theories, saying they are often released purposefully to draw attention from authentic conspiracies.

A wild conspiracy theory to explain wilder conspiracy theories.:p
I do believe this could be true in some circumstances, though.

[cerberus]

When does this actually become "Real History" I wonder ?
To me it sounds like the product of an unbalanced mind .

[il ragno]

Masons are real. They are real, my friends; they run it all, and they hate your guts. Never forget that. Jackie Gleason in a Davy Crockett hat - in hoc signo vinces. Silly and complicated handshakes are to be avoided at all times.

I would tell more, but I dare not. There is a man outside my house as we speak, wearing a fez and driving a tiny little car in circles.

[cerberus]

il ragno - WATCH OUT ....INCOMING !!!!!

[Petr]

Oh ragdoll, I'm sure that Sulla and cerberus can provide more than enough banal and predictable jesting for this thread. There's no need for you to bother.


Petr

[Basil Fawlty]

Strawmanning.

You two are just materialistic, sneering philistines. Masons call uninitiated people like you "cowans."PetrWhat makes you think that they are not initiates. ;)

[A. Radek]

There's that whole faked 'Potato Famine' industry the Irish constantly milk, too. somebody ought to look into that ... an obvious Opus Dei fabrication.

[A. Radek]

Always something to sell these folks .

Indeed. Why not run with it?

"The essential features of all games: symmetry, arbitrary rules, tedium." —Jorge Luis Borges

Those dealing with political-military, racial-ethnic, religious-cultic, alien-paranormal, commercial-financial and other complex matters, often find it convenient to structure their ideas about phenomena and behaviour of such organizations in terms of a conspiracy. The following is a handy guide on constructing and promoting conspiracy theories. But is it, really?

http://www.sonic.net/~ric/go/conspir2.htm

The right side of the page gives you a nice outline to follow.

Excerpt from Part II,

#
Constructing The Conspiracy

OK, so those are the basic principles underlying any conspiracy theory. Now, how to *use* those principles? What are the strategies and tactics you should employ to achieve the greatest results? What are the secrets of other successful conspiratorialists?

# SELECTION: First, select any items you want, any factoids, and present them as evidence of the conspiracy. Any countervailing / contrary evidence, anything that contradicts your conspiracy theory, can either be ignored, or it can be spun as being disinformation presented by your opponents solely to discredit you, and thus is itself further evidence of the conspiracy!

# PRESENTATION: Your 'evidence' should be presented as often as possible, with as much volume as possible, in any context / forum possible, and with total disregard for any countervailing or contradictory] comments / discussion or evidence. What other people say or do about you is almost irrelevant, except that whatever they say or do can be construed (spun) to support your conspiracy theory. There is no 'bad' publicity - every time you're mentioned in public, you win. Furthermore, what other people say and do IS important, because anything they say and do WILL support your conspiracy theory / assertion.

Your goal in presenting evidence, making your arguments, presenting your HIGH-CONCEPT statement, is not necessarily in and of itself to convince anyone of the validity of your argument, but rather, to draw out reactions, to provide yet more evidence for your conspiracy theory. EVERY REACTION IS EVIDENCE.

Sound familiar?

[Kodos]

One of Hoffman's earliest studies of the cryptocracy (1978)

LOL the cryptocracy, reminds me of Loner from LF. A real nutcase( not that there weren't plenty on LF) he ended up going to jail for some drug based shit... me and edana liked to make "we pwn3d loner" jokes after that.

[cerberus]

Indeed. Why not run with it?

I think it best to look at the market stall each website has and the content of said stalls , it speaks for itself.
The on going appeals for money to fund various legal cases which players have become entangled in , keeping one's name in the limited lime light, and then there's just making money.
What makes you think that they are not initiates
My trouser leg is rolled up even as I "speak" and I am on a black and white floor, a noose is around my neck and I am blindfolded , but everyone does this , don't they ?;)

[Dan Dare]

...My trouser leg is rolled up even as I "speak" and I am on a black and white floor, a noose is around my neck and I am blindfolded , but everyone does this , don't they ?;)

In my day such peccadillios were strictly limited to the rarefied upper reaches of the Tory party, but nowadays it seems that even the Lib-Dems and other hoi-polloi feel compelled to get in on the act.

The country's going to the dogs I tell you.

[Thomas777]

One of Hoffman's earliest studies of the cryptocracy (1978)



Forgive my ignorance, but I have two questions:

1) What is the "cryptocracy"?

2) When/Why/How did all of this speculation about Freemasonry come about? It has always been my understanding that the Freemasons were sort of an elite men's club in days of olde...that has since morphed into some lame civic organization like the Shriners. Why does Freemasonry upset people?

[OVERWATCH]

2) When/Why/How did all of this speculation about Freemasonry come about? It has always been my understanding that the Freemasons were sort of an elite men's club in days of olde...that has since morphed into some lame civic organization like the Shriners. Why does Freemasonry upset people?

Some people think the Freemasons, originally a medeival stoneworker's guild, were formed from the remnants of the Knights Templar, a knightly order which was outlawed and accused of demonic worship( spitting on the cross, denouncing Jesus, dancing around a severed head that spoke to them) during secret rituals.

Interestingly, the Knights Templar were some of the first bankers and "internationalists".

The Shriners are the elite of the Freemasons. Until 2000 CE, one had to undergo the Scottish Rite or York Rite, the highest order, to become a Shriner. My ole Grandad was one such Shriner.

I think most, if not all, Freemason lodges in the south are segregated by race even today.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Forgive my ignorance, but I have two questions:

1) What is the "cryptocracy"?


I would assume it means something like the "Secret State" or "Hidden State".

[Thomas777]

Some people think the Freemasons, originally a medeival stoneworker's guild, were formed from the remnants of the Knights Templar, a knightly order which was outlawed and accused of demonic worship( spitting on the cross, denouncing Jesus, dancing around a severed head that spoke to them) during secret rituals.

Ahhh. I read a good history of the Templars a few years ago...but I had no idea that the Freemasons were considered to be descendants of them.



The Shriners are the elite of the Freemasons. Until 2000 CE, one had to undergo the Scottish Rite or York Rite, the highest order, to become a Shriner. My ole Grandad was one such Shriner.

I think most, if not all, Freemason lodges in the south are segregated by race even today.

I did not know that. There is a Freemason lodge in the Chicago suburbs (northern cook county to be exact) and from the outside it appears to just be an old, almost institutional looking, building with the Mason standard displayed above the doorway.

I did not know of the storied mythology behind it...beyond what is referenced in popular culture, etc.

[Thomas777]

I would assume it means something like the "Secret State" or "Hidden State".

I see. So the cryptocracy would be the guys who get made in societies like "Skull and Bones" and hang out in Davos?

[Petr]

I see. So the cryptocracy would be the guys who get made in societies like "Skull and Bones" and hang out in Davos?
Yes, although "cryptocracy" also describes strong elements in the mass entertainment industry (which doesn't solely refer to Jews either).


Petr

[Thomas777]

Yes, although "cryptocracy" also describes strong elements in the mass entertainment industry (which doesn't solely refer to Jews either).


Petr

Gotcha.

If you have seen the film "People I Know", it addresses a lot of this sort of thing...Its also pretty accurate about how power is brokered among the inner party, IMO.