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Petr
02-01-2006, 04:53 PM
It is amazing how brazen the pro-homo lobby has become in pushing its agenda... typical reprobate behavior, though.

I think that this pice shows nicely the blatantly propagandistic anti-marriage message that this piece of celluloid contains.


Btw, I was quite disappointed to learn that this movie was directed by Taiwanese-origin Ang Lee, for he has made some films that I actually found relatively good, like The Ice Storm and Riding With the Devil.


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4115


Understanding Propaganda

By Dr. R. Winfield - January 31, 2006


The most effective propaganda comes in under the radar, it's innocuous and appeals to our humanity and emotions. Having studied propaganda and its effects on societies for over 50 years, I can state unequivocally that the film Brokeback Mountain is one of the most blatant propaganda pieces of recent times.

In a society that is purposely and effectively dumbed down, the rarest and most valuable of commodities is discernment. Increasingly crucial, discernment is an attribute of astute acumen, and vital as your enemy uses crafty subtlety. As a people, we have lost discernment. Logic, rational and intellectual discourse, are shunned from the public square. Feelings, emotional sentiment and compassion are no longer tempered with intelligent reason. Now truth is sacrificed on the altar of "tolerance".

To even talk rationally about a film like this will endanger one of causing immediate knee-jerk reactions with slogans; "homophobe, bigot, narrow minded, etc. And God forbid you dare to insinuate that there is an agenda behind such obvious propaganda, or you will surely hear the two words designed to end all discussion or consideration of facts.; "Conspiracy Theory".

Agendas and purposes behind what we are seeing, shall be dealt with, but first, the film.

Yes, I saw Brokeback Mountain, and no I didn't spend any money to support it. An actress friend lent me her "academy consideration DVD (a crime that in many cases now carries a stiffer penalty than murder). First and foremost, I,ve yet to hear anyone mention how boring this film is. It's tediously long and in most parts just plain dull. But let's look at some of the propaganda aspects, shall we?

Indeed nature is beautiful, and its grandeur is depicted with majesty and uplifting music, great sweeping vistas instill a sense of awe and splendor. It is of course in this setting that the "homosexual romance blossoms. But even more significant, this is where the men discuss the deeper things of life, theology, meaning, etc.

Contrast this with the scenes of marriage. Every time marriage is depicted in the film, it is shot in a tiny dark squalid hovel, with screaming children and absolute pandemonium. The house is a mess, the wife never communicates on any kind of meaningful level. Wives in fact, are portrayed as a constant annoyance, and more irritating than understanding. But children receive the worst treatment in this slanted rant against family. They are usually crying, often two at a time, or smashing things, the general feeling the film presents, is that these joyless hellions are an intrusion into life, an encumbrance and a terrible burden.

Making sure it drums in its message in no uncertain terms, the film keeps switching back and forth between the two contrasts. The great outdoors, wild and free, close to nature, close to God, close to hot gay sex without any negative consequences. Back inside the dark little messy box of marriage, with horrible in-laws, demon spawn children, berating nagging wives, endless pressures and even the loveless, passionless sex has hanging over it the dread of producing more parasitic offspring.

Special note must be taken of music and lighting, how they are carefully manipulated to accentuate these contrasts in the manner outlined here, bringing a much deeper impact of the propaganda message. Marvelous tools, music and light illicit emotional responses, and penetrate the subject to effect his core values. The use of props in the juxtaposition of images adds power to the medium. There is a scene where the Heath Ledger character is saddled with his wife and children, struggling among the crowds to watch the fireworks. The opening shot depicts husband and wife, each with a child in one arm, and great square bags full of baby necessities in the other hand. The construction of this frame is identical to the earlier shots of the pack mules heavily laden with similar square heavy supplies. Marriage has turned him into a beast of burden, a theme reinforced throughout.

Another common theme these days, is of course portrayed in the film; that of "religious intolerance. Remember, the wilderness loving gay fellas are close to God, out in the high places, whereas the church folk are depicted as spouting "hellfire and brimstone. The film also shows two horrific murders, and the connection is not lost, it is precisely this type of religious thought that contributes to this sort of bloody violence. The implication is, and this is the very strength of propaganda, if you are in anyway opposed to two men "loving each other, then you must be for brutally murdering them. Do you see the way these things are subtly implied? Just like, if you are not for abortion, then ipso-facto you must be for the murdering of doctors who perform them. This is one the objects of propaganda, reduction of critical argument down into well drummed slogans, therefore removal of discourse, then total polarization of advocates and detractors into radical extremes. Of course this fits perfectly with the method of those purveying propaganda, as they have chosen Hegelian dialecticalism to divide and conquer you and I.

Earlier I mentioned that the homosexual sex was portrayed as without negative consequences, some may take objection to this. You might say, what about the violent deaths, how can you say without consequences? Think about the film again, the violence is presented not as a result of the sex, but rather the result of a backwards people, mindless ignorant hicks, who's judgmental religious intolerance killed those beautiful martyrs. See how they work it?

The film preaches quite a lot about sex, man's "need for it is apparently only surpassed by his need to breath oxygen. The lies they told about fishing demonstrate that gay sex was even more important than food. Of course the Jake Gyllenhaal character when deprived of this vital necessity has no other choice than to leave his wife and child and search out Mexican male prostitutes. When even this leaves him unable to find enough "manlove he is forced to lower his standard and carry on an adulterous relationship with some woman he has no feelings for, all perfectly justifiable because the evil society is hindering the two gays total access.

So what about the "love, is this really a film about love? Having spoken to a lot of women about this film, I can tell you, they think it is. "Oh, it's a true love story. they pine. A married woman told me, "Because it's about two men it's much more interesting, a man and a woman would be banal. What's going on? When a woman tells me it's about "true love, I ask her how she knows that? They don't have much to say beyond what the film presents. When informed of the statistics that the majority of male homosexuals are the single most promiscuous segment of the world's population, having more anonymous sexual partners per year than any other group, these women shut down. "Oh I,m not interested in the real gay sex, I just like the love story, one told me. Oh, so you,re Truthophobic, I said. You see, the facts, statistics, recorded data on a subject are not important, in fact they are rather a stark reminder of something we,d prefer to ignore. Truth is something we want to completely tune out with our escapism, hence fantasy is more to be desired than the mundane existence of reality.

The promotion of gay men to women has seen a real upswing in the past 10 years or so. Every sitcom has a funny gay character, and of course he's the funniest, least inhibited and most able to communicate with women. Queer Eye For The Straight Guy tells women that gay men are superior to the knuckle dragging neanderthal you have at home. When the Queer Eye fab five went on Oprah, "normal housewives screamed and swooned like schoolgirls cheering rockstars. But the agenda goes deeper, the plan is to get women interested in gay porn as an addictive and isolating tool of division. Sex In The City, shows women sitting together giggling while watching gay porn. The biggest thrust in this wave is coming out of Japan and targeting your preteen daughters. It's called Yaoi.

Yaoi is a massive multi-million dollar subculture providing young girls with comic books and animated films depicting gay romantic love between handsome boys, culminating in explicit hard core homosexual pornography. The tide of this material represents a generation of girls whose misdirected sexuality is being warped in an unnatural direction. Traveling extensively, I warn you this epidemic is rampant throughout Europe, Russia, Asia, and now making heavy inroads into the Americas. Parents have no idea what their young girls have tucked under their mattresses, or hidden in closets and computers. Scores of websites are devoted to young girls fiction describing their fantasies of young men in popular music, tv, film, etc, all engaged in romantic "love and gay sex.

Teen girls rapidly become obsessed with Yaoi and find it an entry drug to other shows like Queer As Folk, and gay hardcore. Many discuss openly their confusion about sex, not wanting a husband or baby, or angst ridden with their own experimentation towards bisexuality and lesbianism. Of course, they,re all buzzing about Brokeback.

None are buzzing more than the critics who are falling over themselves in trying to outdo one another in kissing this film's ass. Sad but so predictable, as homoeroticism has been chosen as this year's politically correct cause for film awards. Just like the year it was blacks and everything black won everything great. Never mind that Oscar winner Halley Barry is said to have a black and white parent, meaning she's as much white as she is black. You see, in the brave new world of propaganda soaked society, truth is no longer black and white. It's all gray now, everything is blurred. Or as the popular group Blur sings ...

"Girls who are boys
Who like boys to be girls
Who do boys like they're girls
Who do girls like they're boys
Always should be someone you really love

Confused yet?

Good, that's what they want.

Scales
02-01-2006, 07:00 PM
Well, if this article is correct then Ang Lee is part of a sinister plot to turn our children gay. I for one am alarmed.

But let's look at some of the propaganda aspects, shall we?

Indeed nature is beautiful, and its grandeur is depicted with majesty and uplifting music, great sweeping vistas instill a sense of awe and splendor. It is of course in this setting that the "homosexual romance blossoms. But even more significant, this is where the men discuss the deeper things of life, theology, meaning, etc.

Given that statement, the film's musical composers Gustavo Santaolalla and Marcelo Zarvos must be in on it. Their names certainly sound pretty gay...

Cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto - in accordance with this critique, would simply have to be a willing contributor to this homosexual mind-control project. He'd have been the one in charge of ensuring that homosexuality was associated with appealing natural landscaping. He's married though, but since when did that mean anything to these people?

I wonder which other members of the cast and crew are in on this sinister plot...

sugartits
02-01-2006, 07:36 PM
Yaoi is a massive multi-million dollar subculture providing young girls with comic books and animated films depicting gay romantic love between handsome boys, culminating in explicit hard core homosexual pornography. The tide of this material represents a generation of girls whose misdirected sexuality is being warped in an unnatural direction.


He's really onto something here. If comic books are a threat what about the billion dollar porn industry with all it's girl on girl action? It may have already warped a large portion of male voyeurists sexuality in an "unnatural direction", possibly leading them to question there own heterosexuality. :o

Gay porn is not likely to encourage bisexual experimentation among girls -this already exists, encouraged by straight male sexual obsession with girl's bisexual experimentation. But I guess it is possible that in the next while there will be an increase in 2 men, 1 women threesomes as male bisexuality becomes as acceptable as the female. Someone will have to put a stop to these parties.

Petr
02-01-2006, 07:48 PM
Cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto - in accordance with this critique, would simply have to be a willing contributor to this homosexual mind-control project. He'd have been the one in charge of ensuring that homosexuality was associated with appealing natural landscaping.
Already in ancient Greece, sodomitic aristocrats liked to advertise themselves as a people with superior aesthetic sense compared to those vulgar hetero masses.

You may snigger as much as you want, but at the deep down of it, that's exactly what's going on in here - this film is not-so-subtle pro-homo brainwashing, or "mind control" if you will.

The whole Hollywood is a one giant mind-controlling enterprise - oops, I mean "dream factory."


Petr

Chesterdox
02-01-2006, 08:22 PM
I haven't seen it, but I've heard that the outgoing credits read: "some horses may have been beautifully and tenderly 'hurt' -wink-wink- in the making of this movie." Now that's some good progressive lovin'!

:nono:

Felix the Cat
02-01-2006, 08:27 PM
Which reminds me of this (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1847)

Scales
02-01-2006, 08:32 PM
Already in ancient Greece, sodomitic aristocrats liked to advertise themselves as a people with superior aesthetic sense compared to those vulgar hetero masses.
Already in ancient Greece already? That's a long time ago right now.

You may snigger as much as you want, but at the deep down of it, that's exactly what's going on in here - this film is not-so-subtle pro-homo brainwashing, or "mind control" if you will.
As I said, a mind-control plot in which the crew of this film by definition must be complicit. Why would married, heterosexual people create a cinematic assault on the sexuality of society via mind-manipulation? Is your concern that they chose to portray homosexuality in a positive rather than a negative light?

The whole Hollywood is a one giant mind-controlling enterprise - oops, I mean "dream factory."
Of course powerful cinema and effective propaganda will have similarities -both rely upon skillful manipulation of the medium. All cinema is sensory and psychological manipulation. Because the whole idea of a movie is to be emotionally and sensually affecting, cinema will undoubtedly have a powerful psychological effect upon the viewer.

Additionally, the underlying narrative must contain a message in order for it to function, and the creator of the film will always have a viewpoint they wish to share -this is a common factor in all forms of art.

But in order to identify it as mind-control propaganda you would need to link the auteur with this accusation. I see no reason to believe that the crew of this particular film are part of an agenda to control the minds of others. It is the nature of art to assert viewpoints and invoke emotions, and the nature of good art to do this effecively.

You might disagree with the message itself, but this is irrelevant. So you would effectively be labelling this film 'mind-control propaganda' purely on the basis of the perceived effectiveness of its expression. In which case, every artistic creation, be it a novel, a painting or a film, must also be viewed as such.

I wonder, if this film had exactly the same aesthetics, but portrayed a couple of heterosexual cowboys, you would still consider it to be 'mind-control'...

Chesterdox
02-01-2006, 08:56 PM
Which reminds me of this (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1847)

I don't dare open that link! :o

Jimbo Gomez
02-01-2006, 09:07 PM
I don't dare open that link! :o

It links to a thread in the Phora, I promise. :D

Not one of our best threads though. :o

The Retard
02-01-2006, 09:12 PM
The amount of media surrounding it has been insane, one could consider this a tactic to promote a homosexual movie to the masses. It doesn't matter if the people that made the film were hetrosexual because they're trying to protray abnormal sexual behavior as normal, that it in itself is wrong. They're trying to destroy the moral standards of our Christian heritage.

Sinclair
02-01-2006, 09:14 PM
Or, it could just be, y'know, a movie. I mean, are moviemakers supposed to shut their eyes in response to everything that doesn't present a nice wholesome image of everything?

The criticisms of the movie should rest on the fact that, wait a minute, two adulterers are presented as the heroes of the film. But this article seems to be suggesting some sort of conspiracy:

"But the agenda goes deeper, the plan is to get women interested in gay porn as an addictive and isolating tool of division." OMG! Could this be the homosexual agenda? I also have no idea how it's an ''addictive and isolating tool of division''. Does the writer imagine some sort of cartel of Hollywood directors, homosexual makeover artists, and Japanese manga-mongers working 24/7 to destroy heterosexuality?

And from where are these statistics about homosexual promiscuity?

I can just imagine the day when heterosexuals are a vulnerable, discriminated-against minority. It will happen during my lifetime. Oh, why, WHY am I sexually attracted to females? It will prove my downfall! I must get on the man train ASAP!

Eddy
02-01-2006, 09:16 PM
Yaoi is a massive multi-million dollar subculture providing young girls with comic books and animated films depicting gay romantic love between handsome boys, culminating in explicit hard core homosexual pornography. The tide of this material represents a generation of girls whose misdirected sexuality is being warped in an unnatural direction. Traveling extensively, I warn you this epidemic is rampant throughout Europe, Russia, Asia, and now making heavy inroads into the Americas. Parents have no idea what their young girls have tucked under their mattresses, or hidden in closets and computers. Scores of websites are devoted to young girls fiction describing their fantasies of young men in popular music, tv, film, etc, all engaged in romantic "love and gay sex.

You rang? :D

Jimbo Gomez
02-01-2006, 09:20 PM
Oh great. Enjoying the discussion Kym?

Thomas777
02-01-2006, 09:22 PM
You rang? :D

Indulging in pornography is a very plebian activity.

Eddy
02-01-2006, 09:26 PM
Well, I am a Prole!

If anyone has questions or needs clarification on the plot by Japanese women to destroy heterosexuality and get women to watch Queer as Folk, I'm your gal.

Thomas777
02-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Well, I am a Prole!



Yes, that has been established.

brigadier Biggles
02-01-2006, 09:31 PM
poor old Petr, youve spammed his thread to hell !.

Jimbo Gomez
02-01-2006, 09:32 PM
poor old Petr, youve spammed his thread to hell !.


There's a simple fix for that. :)

Professor John Frink
02-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Well, I am a Prole!

If anyone has questions or needs clarification on the plot by Japanese women to destroy heterosexuality and get women to watch Queer as Folk, I'm your gal.

:(

I will pray for your soul.

Eddy
02-01-2006, 10:00 PM
:(

I will pray for your soul.

Thank you for your kindness.

It is important that my soul is watched over as my body is perusing yaoi manga for the purpose of destroying heterosexuality. :)

Jimbo Gomez
02-01-2006, 10:04 PM
Thank you for your kindness.

It is important that my soul is watched over as my body is perusing yaoi manga for the purpose of destroying heterosexuality. :)


Interesting coming from a married woman.

Dr. No
02-01-2006, 10:17 PM
An excellent (and disturbing) read. Thanks for posting this, Petr.

Eddy
02-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Interesting coming from a married woman.

We have a corporate team marriage. His job is to fly to Japan on behalf of the American TV executives who are requesting more slashy, homoerotic innuendo to be inserted into popular anime. They're hoping this will increase female traffic to adult fanfiction.net and gaytorrents, which may increase ratings and acceptance of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

My job is to spread awareness (http://www.discarnate.com/boysnextdoor/intro.html) on cyberspace (http://www.aestheticism.com/visitors/index.htm) and to answer any questions you may have on our project.

il ragno
02-01-2006, 10:45 PM
There is a built-in defense mechanism to the pro-'mo-paganda of BREAKBACK MOUNTIN'. A simple and foolproof defense mechanism.

And that's that - as much as I love movies - there's no way I could ever bring myself to knowingly sit through a movie where two men are getting it on even peripherally....let alone when it's the whole point of the movie. Most straight guys, no matter how educated they may be, reflexively abhor the sight of two men kissing, never mind giving each other skull. We don't sit around reflecting on our possible homophobia because internally we don't recognize such a thing as "homophobia". That's not to excuse gay-bashing.....which is just beating up/terrorizing someone weaker than you because you can, ie, inexcusable. But "homophobia" is a clumsy attempt to arbitrarily assign a negative-value to a completely natural and instinctive abhorrence to a corrupt, defective sexuality, and most of us quietly but thoroughly reject this concept. That we do this in private is just a reflection of how reality itself has gone underground in the age of the multicultural nanny state: it used to be that the world around us was what was 'real', and now it's only the places inside us where we're free to make up our own minds without being reprimanded, fined or imprisoned.

BROKEBACK may be getting all the ink, but more people have bought tickets for YOURS MINE AND OURS.....this 'phenomenon' is entirely media-driven. You're being conditioned to not be surprised when it wins ten Oscars.

The Retard
02-01-2006, 11:10 PM
This isn't the only gay movie nominated for an award this year.

sugartits
02-01-2006, 11:49 PM
We have a corporate team marriage. His job is to fly to Japan on behalf of the American TV executives who are requesting more slashy, homoerotic innuendo to be inserted into popular anime. They're hoping this will increase female traffic to adult fanfiction.net and gaytorrents, which may increase ratings and acceptance of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

I never knew Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was about anything other than interior decorating...until now. :o

Fade the Butcher
02-02-2006, 12:40 AM
I would comment on this film, but I have no plans of ever watching this crap or the rest of the garbage put out by Hollywood.

Fade the Butcher
02-02-2006, 12:57 AM
Interesting coming from a married woman.

Did I miss something?

http://www.phora.org/forum/bbob4.jpg

Jimbo Gomez
02-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Did I miss something?

http://www.phora.org/forum/bbob4.jpg

She's married. Didn't you know?

Scales
02-02-2006, 05:42 PM
Well, that's this thread murdered then.

OVERWATCH
02-03-2006, 08:04 AM
A gay Cowboy story has more the makings of a comedy than a serious film.

"Howdy partnah, ya wanna be my cowpoke? yeeee-hah"

Reminds me of an old Eddie Murphy routine:o

Ahknaton
02-03-2006, 09:20 AM
A gay Cowboy story has more the makings of a comedy than a serious film.
Bareback Mountain?
"Howdy partnah, ya wanna be my cowpoke? yeeee-hah"

Reminds me of an old Eddie Murphy routine:o
What's the difference between a rodeo and a gay cowboy saloon?

At a rodeo they yell "RIDE THAT SUCKER!!!"

Petr
02-03-2006, 09:27 AM
A gay Cowboy story has more the makings of a comedy than a serious film.
NO. That's the way filth eventually becomes socially accepted - when it no longer provokes righteous indignation, but mere adolescent sniggering.

There can be such a thing as "too much humor."

Hollywood culture-destroyers know this extremely well!


Petr

Fade the Butcher
02-03-2006, 10:11 AM
NO. That's the way filth eventually becomes socially accepted - when it no longer provokes righteous indignation, but mere adolescent sniggering.

We can already see what sort of people are attracted by such filth.

Ahknaton
02-03-2006, 11:10 AM
NO. That's the way filth eventually becomes socially accepted - when it no longer provokes righteous indignation, but mere adolescent sniggering.

There can be such a thing as "too much humor."

Hollywood culture-destroyers know this extremely well!
Sorry Petr, you'll get me to disapprove of gays but you'll never stop me laughing at them.

1-800
02-03-2006, 12:55 PM
BROKEBACK may be getting all the ink, but more people have bought tickets for YOURS MINE AND OURS.....this 'phenomenon' is entirely media-driven. You're being conditioned to not be surprised when it wins ten Oscars.

It was a win-win situation...the media can either spin Brokeback Mountain as the movie that finally, FINALLY caused the 'red-staters' to embrace homosexual deviancy OR they can write hysterical, hand-wringing condemnations of middle America's pervasive homophobia. In the case of Frank Rich, they can do both in one column!

Petr
02-03-2006, 01:02 PM
Sorry Petr, you'll get me to disapprove of gays but you'll never stop me laughing at them.
I don't find anything particularly funny about faggots. They are about as amusing as a pile of shit on my bedsheets.

(Although I know that many people find shit hilarious as well)


Petr

Kodos
02-03-2006, 02:30 PM
Indulging in pornography is a very plebian activity.

I don't think thats a very class specific vice...

Not that I would ever want to see gay porn.

Thomas777
02-03-2006, 02:42 PM
I don't think thats a very class specific vice...


I think it is. I doubt that the consumers of garbage like "Girls Gone Wild", "Hustler", or any of these grotesque, fetish-oriented porn DVDs (that have become mainstream) are anything but pretty piss poor specimins of humanity with a simian mentality about sex.

Kodos
02-03-2006, 02:48 PM
I think it is. I doubt that the consumers of garbage like "Girls Gone Wild", "Hustler", or any of these grotesque, fetish-oriented porn DVDs (that have become mainstream) are anything but pretty piss poor specimins of humanity with a simian mentality about sex.

Well to the extent porn hasn't become more mainstream and penetrated the middle class...

If you've read Paul Fussell's book "Class" a romantic view of women is confined specifically to the middle class, upper class men share the unromantic view "proles" have of them.

Fade the Butcher
02-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that we are discussing "Brokeback Mountain" in the High Culture forum?

Kodos
02-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that we are discussing "Brokeback Mountain" in the High Culture forum?

LOL didn't notice that, MOVE IT.

Kodos
02-03-2006, 02:53 PM
A gay Cowboy story has more the makings of a comedy than a serious film.

Cartman: Independent films... yeah those are those hippie movies about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Slavic Enforcer
02-04-2006, 01:22 AM
It seems, this world has become gay.. :(

OVERWATCH
02-04-2006, 09:44 AM
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that we are discussing "Brokeback Mountain" in the High Culture forum?

Brokeback Mountin' definitely doesn't belong in the same sentence with 'culture', let alone the 'high' variety. Moving now to po[o]pular culture.:p

Eddy
02-06-2006, 11:50 PM
I think it is. I doubt that the consumers of garbage like "Girls Gone Wild", "Hustler", or any of these grotesque, fetish-oriented porn DVDs (that have become mainstream) are anything but pretty piss poor specimins of humanity with a simian mentality about sex.

This is true. The aristocratic porn of choice is Playboy.

Kodos
02-07-2006, 01:32 AM
This is true. The aristocratic porn of choice is Playboy.

Thats actually more middle class, a true aristocrat doesn't care if anyone thinks hes respectable or not...

Paul Fusell goes through all this...

Dr. No
02-09-2006, 01:55 PM
Or, it could just be, y'know, a movie.

Bear in mind that we're living in an age in which producers pre-screen different versions of a movie to selected audiences in order to pick the one that generates the "best" response.

Hollywood movies are multi-million dollar ventures. They are produced by teams of professionals. Screenplays have been written. Everything you see has been storyboarded. The lighting for each scene has been settled in advance. The soundtrack has been meticulously synched to every frame of the film (24 frames per second). Nothing happens by accident in today's movies.

But this article seems to be suggesting some sort of conspiracy:

I don't watch television, but once in a while I do go out to the cinema or rent a movie to watch at home. If you get the chance, rent the following movies:


Land of the Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418819/) (2005)
Dawn of the Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363547/) (2004)
Cry Wolf (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384286/) (2005)
Kicking and Screaming (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384642/) (2005)


In Land of the Dead, there's a gratuitous (and almost subliminal) scene of two women "going at it." The shot lasts 1-2 seconds and is somewhere near the middle of the movie. In the Dawn of the Dead re-make, there's a similar scene with two girls which again lasts 1-2 seconds. It's near or in the credits. In Cry Wolf, there's a scene near the middle of the movie in which two teenage girls are caught having sex in a janitor's closet. That scene lasts about ten seconds. I'd hesitate to say that this scene was intended to titillate the viewer, since the girls were average looking, there was no nudity, and it was implied (not explicitly shown) that they were having sex. The target audience for these last three movies were clearly teenagers and young adults. The fourth movie, Kicking and Screaming, is aimed squarely at children. In this movie, you'll note that two of the "soccer moms" are a lesbian couple who have adopted "their" child.

Note that I picked these films off the top of my head. They're fresh in my memory because I've seen them within the last six months. If I spent more time watching movies and writing down what I saw, this list could be multiplied exponentially.

After you've watched these and seen the scenes I'm talking about, I'd be curious in hearing why you think the producers of these films felt it was necessary to include these scenes/characters. Did they add something to the movie? Did they strengthen the storyline? Did including them increase ticket sales?

I'd say the answer to those questions is a resounding "No." So why were these scenes in the movies?

And from where are these statistics about homosexual promiscuity?

It would be interesting to find out, though those statistics are entirely consistent with the behavior of most of the homosexuals I've known. On the whole, I haven't met too many heterosexuals who frequent bathouses or go cruising in the park 2 or 3 times a week looking for anonymous partners to fistfuck or have golden showers with. Many heterosexuals are too busy raising children (whom they conceived with their partner, rather than adopting them) to engage in such tasteful practices.

Dr. No
02-09-2006, 02:00 PM
This is true. The aristocratic porn of choice is Playboy.

Penthouse was good in its heyday. Now it's all silicone, fetishistic degradation, and apologia for the Jews.