Curb 'white flight' from schools: MP

[Anarch]

Curb 'white flight' from schools: MP

March 21, 2008 - 5:47AM


Refugees should be settled in a wider spread of locations to avoid large-scale withdrawal of Anglo-European children from government schools, a senior government MP says.

In a phenomenon known as "white flight", some parents send their children to private schools rather to state schools with a high proportion of pupils of other racial backgrounds, parliamentary secretary for multicultural affairs Laurie Ferguson said.

He told Fairfax that white flight had become a big challenge for multicultural Australia.

"People fear there is a monoculture in some suburbs. They believe there is an over-dominance of some cultures in schools which is denigrating the quality of education," Mr Ferguson said.

"So they are withdrawing their kids from government schools and sending them to religious or selective high schools.

"This leads to further concentration of marginalised communities in government schools and the further stigmatisation of these schools."

The term white flight was first coined in the US in the 1960s, when white parents sent their children to private schools instead of keeping them at newly-desegregated public schools.

White flight was a big challenge, especially in western Sydney and parts of Melbourne, Mr Ferguson said.

"Deliberate policy decisions" needed to be made to diversify the location of housing for refugees and humanitarian entrants, including many settlers from Africa whose children grew up in refugee camps and had limited education, Mr Ferguson said.

Victorian Association of State Secondary Principals president Brian Burgess said that in Victoria, the phenomenon was "more like a middle-class flight" than a white flight.

But teachers at "radically diverse" schools told Fairfax that white flight was alive and well in Melbourne.

© 2008 AAP

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Haha. As if that'll solve anything. They'll spread 'em thin, and then there'll be protests about breakdown of community from the refo's, and then over time more refugees will come in and they'll concentrate across dozens of suburbs and everything will go to hell all together. Thoughts?

[The Voice]

No matter where you go these days you are sure to find non-Whites from every persuasion from the cities to the rural centres to the outback towns, there is no escaping them. You cannot have over three hundred thousand 'migrants' (aka invaders) coming in each and every year (2005 to 2007) and not have it affect the face of the nation. The following graph paints a rather disturbing picture -
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i308/patriotalliancedu/Immigration003.gif

[Dan Dare]

But doesn't Australia operate a highly selective 'points-based' immigration system that ensures that only top potential immigrants of the highest calibre make it through?

At least that's what punters in the UK are being assured is the case, since the much-ballyhooed new immigration system there is said to be closely modeled on the Aussie scheme.

[John Abney-Hastings]

That graph doesn't indicate how many Whites are involved. Our biggest migration source is the UK and i'm sure at least some of them are White.

Interesting to note the jump occured under Howard, it started before he left office.

[Anarch]

But doesn't Australia operate a highly selective 'points-based' immigration system that ensures that only top potential immigrants of the highest calibre make it through?

At least that's what punters in the UK are being assured is the case, since the much-ballyhooed new immigration system there is said to be closely modeled on the Aussie scheme.

Really? If that's so, prepare for more Muslims and coons.

[harjit]

But doesn't Australia operate a highly selective 'points-based' immigration system that ensures that only top potential immigrants of the highest calibre make it through?

At least that's what punters in the UK are being assured is the case, since the much-ballyhooed new immigration system there is said to be closely modeled on the Aussie scheme.

In Australia they seem to end up with much worse Middle Easterners than does North America. In Canada the Lebanese are considered a model community whereas in Australia they are among the problem groups.

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

In Australia they seem to end up with much worse Middle Easterners than does North America. In Canada the Lebanese are considered a model community whereas in Australia they are among the problem groups.

Yeah, like the huge protests the Muslim communities here had against fundamentalists.

[harjit]

Yeah, like the huge protests the Muslim communities here had against fundamentalists.
You mean moderate Muslims were protesting against Muslim fundamentalists? If so that is an excellent development.

[Count Sudoku]

In Australia they seem to end up with much worse Middle Easterners than does North America. In Canada the Lebanese are considered a model community whereas in Australia they are among the problem groups.

Someone somewhere told me that the Lebs in Australia were the scum of that country that the government there selected to ditch when bleeding hearts in Australia offered to take in Lebanese refugees. Most of them aren't even Lebanese but Pallies.

[Jake Featherston]

Apparently the Syrian government was in charge of selecting which Lebanese would be permitted to emigrate to Australia, as they were the occupying power at the time, and they naturally opted to rid themselves of the trouble makers, who are now causing trouble in Australia.

[The Voice]

That graph doesn't indicate how many Whites are involved. Our biggest migration source is the UK and i'm sure at least some of them are White.

Interesting to note the jump occured under Howard, it started before he left office.

I'd say the majority from the UK would be non-White going by the racial mix in the UK. NZ comes second and everyone knows if you have NZ citizenship you can come to Australia without a visa. So many non-Whites migrate to NZ gain their citizenship and then come to Australia. Also most of those with the 457 visa come from Asia mainly China and India.

I know the jump occurred before little johnnie got the boot but look at Krudd's solution to the housing crisis - allow more 457 visas in the building industry. You can guarantee that most of these will come from China and the Philippines. BTW, having more people in the country is only going to worsen the housing crisis, cause further environmental damage, place a greater strain on our failing infrastructure, increase water usage in the driest inhabited continent on the planet and of course lower wages.

Australia does not have a skills shortage, what we do have according to business is a shortage of cheap labour. What business would employ an apprentice who he has to pay to train for four years when he can get a 'tradesman' from China at half the wage of a local tradesman courtesy of government policy? The government needs to look after the interests of the people and not of those of business. As it is we are being treated as second class citizens in our own country and none of the traitors in parliament care just as long they get their million dollar plus superannuation packages and all the other assorted lurks and perks.

[Jake Featherston]

I'd say the majority from the UK would be non-White going by the racial mix in the UK.

The UK is still like 92% White, fortunately.

So many non-Whites migrate to NZ gain their citizenship and then come to Australia.

Why do they seem to find Australia so preferable to NZ?

[Cadavre Exquis]

I'd say the majority from the UK would be non-White going by the racial mix in the UK. NZ comes second and everyone knows if you have NZ citizenship you can come to Australia without a visa. So many non-Whites migrate to NZ gain their citizenship and then come to Australia. Also most of those with the 457 visa come from Asia mainly China and India.

The stats (http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/928AF7A0CB6F969FCA25732C00207852?opendocument) from the ABS show that those born in NZ constituted 11% of Australian migrants in 2005/06 - roughly the same amount as actual immigrants from NZ. As Jake pointed out, the UK is overwhelmingly white, so I don't actually see what argument you are trying to make. During 2005/06 whites made up about one third of all migrants who entered into Australia, so the idea that Australia is being flooded exclusively by non-whites is rather silly.

BTW, can you provide a link for that graph that you've posted? I can't find it anywhere.

[Cadavre Exquis]

It's about 70% non-White from what I have read, but a difference of 7% doesn't make much difference to the effect.
If one were to make the argument that immigration is harmful to Australia from an economic/sustainability perspective, rather than a cultural standpoint, does it matter whether immigrants are white or not?

Sheila Newman works for Sustainable Population Australia (SPA) (http://www.population.org.au/). I have a larger version if you would like it.
The huge increase for 2006 and 2007 in that graph is not compatible with the figures from the ABS (you can see them here (http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3401.0Dec%202007?OpenDocument)). For example, the number of permanent settlers coming to Australia totalled 141,650, much smaller than the almost 400,000 of net overseas migration as claimed in that graph.

[Dan Dare]

Interesting that SPA links back to the Optimum Population Trust (http://www.population.org.au/issues/physicallimits.htm), so the numbers that are being talked about wrt to Australia's long-term sustainable population are soundly based on reasonable assumptions.

[dave_931]

Moving aside from the line of debate already in this thread for a moment, it is interesting to note that your typical public proponent of Utopean highly ethnically mixed government schools where everyone 'gets along' and standards remain fine are secure middle/upper middle class, often female, folk who are themselves the first to send their kids to elitist white private schools. Good old liberal double talk.

Haha. As if that'll solve anything. They'll spread 'em thin, and then there'll be protests about breakdown of community from the refo's, and then over time more refugees will come in and they'll concentrate across dozens of suburbs and everything will go to hell all together. Thoughts?

I think 'spreading them thin', as you put it, or interspercing ethnic groups among the whole, will have the effect of diluting the culture of those who come here and congregate in 'enclaves', thus stopping a bit of tribal mentality which causes gang voilence and the like and 'white flight'.

But what i find so interesting is the hypocracy of our politicians and lefty do gooders who on the one hand parrot on about 'multiculturalism' and on the other hand get vervous when ethnic groups want to preserve some of their culture or at least go to the same schools and hang out together, in 'enclaves'.

Bottom line: all the talk about multiculturalism is bullshit. Politicians want it to turn us into a mega economy of faceless, culture-less drones. Do gooders want it to make themselves feel better about 'helping' and 'benfitting' non-european ethnicities, which is in itself slightly racist. Real multiculturalism is ethnic groups hanging around in 'enclaves'. Dispersing ethnic groups into one cultureless non-discernable biomass is the opposite of multiculturalism as it destroys the original culture of all groups and reduces them to plastic things in gift shops and food in restaurants. Its all crazy in the long run.