black man white women rape, the truth

[Charles_Rigaud]

From a legal standpoint, rape laws have their origins in laws about property, since women were considered to be property under Anglo-Saxon law. Transplanted from England, the law traditionally defined rape as "intercourse between a man and a woman not his wife, against the woman's will and without her consent."

The history of rape and rape law in the United States is full of contradictions. "On paper," for hundreds of years, rape has been illegal and subject to severe penalties. Yet it has been effectively legal, because it has been almost impossible to prove in most circumstances. One type of rape charge historically has been easy to prove, namely that involving a Black man and a white woman. From slavery through the post-Civil War period and to some extent to the present, when a Black man/white woman rape has been claimed, the legal system and society generally have come down with full force on the alleged offender. The most common "justification" for lynching Black men was the claim that they had raped a white woman.

When a white woman claimed that a Black man raped her, the legal system treated her with much less suspicion than when a white woman claimed that a white man raped her. The courts historically provided Black men virtually no protection from false rape charges, yet they protected white men even if the charges were true.

Rape of Black women during slavery was legal for white men. Rape of slaves by slaves was legal. The KKK and white mobs used rape of Black women as a weapon of terror during Reconstruction. Following Reconstruction, and to some extent to the present, rape of Black women by white and Black men was ignored and/or minimized by the legal system. Several recent studies have found that historical patterns still continue. For example, a 1990 Texas study found that average prison sentences for men convicted of raping Black women were only one-fifth of average sentences for men convicted of raping white women. Some scholars conclude that of all racial combinations of rape charges, the legal system still treats accusations by Black women of rape by Black men the least seriously and accusations by white women of rape by Black men the most seriously.

Scholars have not conducted much historical or analytical work on rape of female Native Americans, Asian Americans, or Latinas and other groups. Rape of Amerindian women by colonizing Spanish soldiers in what is now California was frequent. Whites also raped Native American women but the incidence is impossible to estimate, as it is for rapes of white women by Indians.

Before the 1970s rape was widely seen as a sexual act of uncontrollable lust, not an act of violence. Critical to the concept of rape was the concept of women's "chastity." In traditional rape ideology, an "unchaste" (sexually experienced) woman lacked credibility and/or must have "wanted it" or consented. Only white women could be "chaste"; the law presumed that Black and probably other women of color were "unchaste." The historical treatment of rape charges often stemmed from men's extreme distrust of women (when the alleged perpetrator was white). Freudian theory posited that women fantasized rapes and fueled the legal system's suspicious attitude.

Police and prosecutors frequently have been hostile to women alleging rape. They threw out charges if the woman reported the rape too soon, or not soon enough after the event. Rape charges had to be supported by physical evidence, while other crimes did not.

Until recently it was impossible to gather meaningful estimates of the incidence of rape; incidence is still hard to gauge. The 1990 FBI statistics show a total of 102,560 reported forcible rapes (including attempted rapes). Rape is statistically underreported, but the extent to which it is underreported is unknown. By comparing the 1990 FBI rape statistics cited above with statistics from studies of victims by the Justice Department, it is estimated that in 1990, 54 percent of forcible rapes were reported. Susan Brownmiller, in Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape (1975), estimated that between one in five and one in twenty rapes were reported. It appears that reporting rates for rape have increased over the past twenty years.

Rape became widely recognized as a public policy issue in the 1970s, sparked in part by Against Our Will. Feminists criticized society's treatment of rape, although they often did not challenge the racist aspects of the culture's attitude toward rape. Feminists reconceptualized rape as a crime of violence and as part of a range of violence against women. This approach gained wide acceptance, although some feminists believed that the specifically sexual aspect of rape should be emphasized more.

In the 1970s and 1980s rape reform efforts spread around the country. Activists sought to improve the treatment of victims, expand the definition of rape, and increase the conviction rate for offenders. Feminists set up rape crisis centers and rape hotlines that helped women deal with the legal system and supported rape victims. Almost every state passed rape reform laws. Many laws shielded victims from being forced to reveal their sexual histories during cross-examination, a change from traditional tactics. Activists also tried to change the definition of rape so that it would focus more on the defendant's behavior and less on the victim and whether she resisted sufficiently. Marital rape, previously legal, was outlawed in many states although it still remains legal in some circumstances. Police training programs to raise awareness were initiated. Increased numbers of women became prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges.

In the late 1980s society increasingly recognized the act of forced sex in social situations, which came to be known as "date" or "acquaintance rape." Researchers at several college campuses found that one in five women reported being forced by a male companion to have intercourse. Activists made efforts to deal with the problem. Others attracted publicity in the early 1990s by claiming that feminists were exaggerating the problem.

It is not clear what difference the changes since the 1970s have made overall. Some argue that the legal system treats rape the same way that it did, although the written laws have changed. Indeed, several empirical studies have found that rape law reforms have made no difference in the arrest, prosecution, or conviction of rapists. The criminal justice system retains race-based, gender-based, and other inequities. Yet, the work that has been done brings society closer to the recognition that women have an absolute right to be free from forced sex.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/women/html/wh_038006_rape2.h

[Charles_Rigaud]

VI. Race

1. Race and Rape

Over two-thirds of the exonerated defendants we studied were minorities, 55% African Americans and 13% Hispanics. Sadly, this is not altogether surprising; blacks and Hispanics comprise about 62% of all American prisoners. But only part of this pattern can be explained by the pervasive over representation of minorities in general, and African Americans in particular, among those arrested and imprisoned for serious crimes.



At of the end of 2002, 35% of state prisoners serving sentences for murder were white, 48% were black and 17% were Hispanic.48 The proportions of exonerations in murder cases are very similar: 34% whites, 50% Blacks and 15% Hispanics.



For rape, however, the story is different. A majority of rape prisoners in 2002 were white, 58% ; only 29% were black; and 13% were Hispanic.49 But for rape exonerations the proportions are reversed: almost two thirds of the defendants are black, 65%; only 27% are white; and 8% are Hispanic. See Table 5.

Why are blacks so greatly over-represented among those defendants who were falsely convicted of rape and then exonerated, mostly by DNA? The key is probably the race of the victims. We know the race of the victim for 75% of the 69 rape exonerations with black defendants, and in 75% of those cases the victim was white. (We see a similar pattern, on a smaller scale for Hispanic exonerees: we know the race of the victim for 7 of the 8 who were falsely convicted of rape, and in 4 of those cases the victim was white.) Most women who are raped are victimized by members of their own racial or ethnic groups. Inter-racial rape is uncommon, and rapes of white women by black men in particular account for well under 10% of all rapes.50 But among rape exonerations for which we know the race of both parties, almost exactly half (39/79) involve a black man who was falsely convicted of raping a white woman.

Table 5: Race of Exonerated
Defendants, by Crime

Murder Rape All Cases
(188) (106) (301)
White 34% 27% 31%
Black 50% 65% 55%
Hispanic 15% 8% 13%
Other 1% 0% 1%
TOTAL 100% 100% 100%


There are many possible explanations for this disturbing pattern. Of all the problems that plague the American system of criminal justice, few are as incendiary as the relationship between race and rape. Nobody would be surprised to find that bias and discrimination continue to play a role in rape prosecutions. Still, the most obvious explanation for this racial disparity is probably also the most powerful: the perils of cross-racial identification. Virtually all of the inter-racial rape convictions in our data were based, at least in part, on eyewitness misidentifications,51 and one of the strongest findings of systematic studies of eyewitness evidence is that white Americans are much more likely to mistake one black person for another than to do the same for members of their own race.52


According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1996-2002, Table 42 (available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm .) – based on the National Criminal Victimization Survey – black offenders accounted for an average of approximately 10% of all rapes and sexual assaults of white victims between 1996 and 2002. (The statistic fluctuates from year to year because for each year it is extrapolated from a sample of 10 or fewer survey responses.) Another Bureau of Justice Statistics study – based on the National Incident-Based Reporting System , reports that in 88% of rapes the victim and the offender are of the same race, and that the victims of rape are approximately evenly divided between whites and blacks. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sex Offenses and Offenders, p. 11 (February 1997), available at http://www.rainn.org/Linked%20files/soo.pdf . It follows that the proportion of all rapes that have white victims and black offenders is about 5 to 6%.



Consider the case of Ronald Cotton, a black man, who was convicted of raping Jennifer Thompson, a white woman in 1985, in Burlington, North Carolina. Thompson was the only eyewitness at the trial, and by all accounts she was very effective. She was absolutely confident of her identification, in part because she spent a considerable amount of time with the rapist and was determined to observe him closely so that she would be able to identify him later on. She was equally confident when Cotton was retried 1987, convicted again, and sentenced, a second time to life in prison. Even so, she was wrong. Cotton was pardoned in 1995 after DNA tests proved that he was innocent, and that the real rapist was a different black man, who was in prison on other charges. What makes the case most remarkable is what happened after the exoneration. Ms. Thompson went to great lengths to make amends to Mr. Cotton, and to speak out and publicize the case and the terrible mistake she had made, so others could learn from it – which is why she is identified here by name. See Helen O’Neill, AP, The Perfect Witness, Washington Post, 3/4/01 p. F1; National Institute of Justice, Convicted by Juries, Exonerated by Science, Case Studies in the Use of DNA Evidence to Establish Innocence After Trial, (1996).





http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Prison-Exonerations-Gross19apr04.htm

[Jonathan]

Busy forum you've got in your sig :p

[Jimbo Gomez]

The KKK and white mobs used rape of Black women as a weapon of terror during Reconstruction.

I'd like to see some real evidence for this.

[Charles_Rigaud]

I'd like to see some real evidence for this.


Pourquoi? Is there not enough proof through history? Its not as though the KKK keeps record of the number of women they rape.

[Roland]

Good article.

[Charles_Rigaud]

Busy forum you've got in your sig :p


It will be alright, I plan on advertising soon after I'm done building my site.

[Charles_Rigaud]

Basically the myth of the black male brute raping white women is false since white women have been known to lie about black men raping them. The sad part is that overzealous white males bought into it and still believe erroneously that blacks have a fetish for raping whites.

[Jonathan]

It will be alright, I plan on advertising soon after I'm done building my site.
It's got potential. I'd expect it to attract alot of SF types.

[Meursault]

It seems to me that things are so biased against whites now, and in favour of ethnic minorities, that in order to get the "Blacks are mistreated by the system" message across you're forced to post articles based on the past.

Why don't you instead write about the laws and racial bias that exist in the present?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Pourquoi? Is there not enough proof through history? Its not as though the KKK keeps record of the number of women they rape.


In other words: 'sorry Stan, I ain't got none, can't you just take my word for it? I found an article where some guy says this is the truth online so obviously there can be no more doubt'

[Charles_Rigaud]

In other words: 'sorry Stan, I ain't got none, can't you just take my word for it? I found an article where some guy says this is the truth online so obviously there can be no more doubt'

Do you have an argument against the KKK raping black women? To help you out you can even sy it in French if it will make it easier for you.

[The Retard]

Stan, the cause of black failure is white racism, and don't you forget it! :nono:

[Charles_Rigaud]

Stan, the cause of black failure is white racism, and don't you forget it! :nono:

Lame straw attack, come again with something better. this thread isn't about "black" failure, its about white women falsely accusing black men of rape.

[Helios Panoptes]

Do you have an argument against the KKK raping black women? To help you out you can even sy it in French if it will make it easier for you.

Charles Rigaud debate:

Charles Rigaud: Claim x
Adversary: Show evidence supporting your claim
Charles Rigaud: No, you show evidence disproving my claim

That's not how it works, champ.

[Charles_Rigaud]

Charles Rigaud debate:

Charles Rigaud: Claim x
Adversary: Show evidence supporting your claim
Charles Rigaud: No, you show evidence disproving my claim

That's not how it works, champ.

He asked for a source without providing a counter argument. I never made a claim.

[Helios Panoptes]

He asked for a source without providing a counter argument. I never made a claim.


The assertion was in the article you posted, sans documentation.

[Charles_Rigaud]

In April 1867, a call went out for all known Ku Klux Klan chapters or dens to send representatives to Nashville, Tennessee, for a meeting that would plan the Klan response to the new federal Reconstruction policy. Throughout the summer and fall, the Klan steadily had become more violent. Thousands of the white citizens of Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi had by this time joined the Klan and many now viewed the escalating violence with growing alarm - not necessarily because they had sympathy for the victims but because the night riding was getting out of their control. Anyone could put on a sheet and a mask and ride into the night to commit assault, robbery, rape, arson or murder.

http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/kkk.html

[Starr]

For those blacks who were exonerated, I would wonder how many of these are not neccessarily a false accusation as much as a false identification. In cases were the attacker is unknown to you, it might not be all that difficult to accuse the wrong person who may resemble or have similarites to the real attacker. So for some of these exonerated blacks who may not have raped the woman, how many black rapists are possibly walking around free?

[Jimbo Gomez]

I ask you for proof that the KKK went on raping rampages as said there. Individual slaveowners have always had sex with their chattel, but I want to see proof that a) the KKK did this and b) for the goal you suggested they supposedly did it.

[The Retard]

Lame straw attack, come again with something better. this thread isn't about "black" failure, its about white women falsely accusing black men of rape.

I will when you stop using white racism as your scapegoat.

[Meursault]

In April 1867...

None of us were alive, nor was anybody currently in a position of power.

You gonna focus on the present anytime soon? Having to go on about 1867 suggests that you can't offer anything more recent that supports this rubbish.

[Starr]

I will when you stop using white racism as your scapegoat.


But then he would have nothing to talk about.:(

You gonna focus on the present anytime soon? Having to go on about 1867 suggests that you can't offer anything more recent that supports this rubbish.

That is all they have. Remember blacks only act the way they do, because of racism, slavery, and oppression. EVERY problem that the black man faces ANYWHERE in the world is because of whitey and bigotry. We are all a bunch of white devils, indeed.:nono:

[Thomas777]

From a legal standpoint, rape laws have their origins in laws about property, since women were considered to be property under Anglo-Saxon law.


This is a nonsensical claim made by agenda driven lay people who have no background in the practice of or study of law.

Women were never considered to be "property" under Anglo-Saxon common law and to suggest that women enjoyed the status of chattels is preposterous beyond belief.

Do not make claims about matters of law unless you have some authority to substantiate your claim.

In your estimation, were the many Queens of England "property"? Who were they the "property" of?

[Charles_Rigaud]

I will when you stop using white racism as your scapegoat.


Stay on topic and quit trolling. fact remains, white women have been falsely accusing black men of rape when in reality it isn't true. lame straw attacks aren't helping your cause.

[Charles_Rigaud]

But then he would have nothing to talk about.:(



That is all they have. Remember blacks only act the way they do, because of racism, slavery, and oppression. EVERY problem that the black man faces ANYWHERE in the world is because of whitey and bigotry. We are all a bunch of white devils, indeed.:nono:

lame straw attack to avoid the obvious and stay off topic.

[Meursault]

Stay on topic and quit trolling. fact remains, white women have been falsely accusing black men of rape when in reality it isn't true.

Yes, in 1867. Is that all you've got? I'm more concerned with the 21st. I'll consider something from the 20th, but when you focus on the 19th you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If you're concerned about rape, why don't you start a thread about the rape of babies in Africa as a supposed cure for AIDS? That's a bit more recent, considering it's still happening.

[Fade the Butcher]

Do you have an argument against the KKK raping black women? To help you out you can even sy it in French if it will make it easier for you.

Sure. About 15,400 white women were raped by blacks per year between 2001 and 2003. Why don't you tell us how many black women were raped by the KKK during the same time period? Oh wait. That's unfair. Why don't you just tell us how many black women were raped by white men in general in the U.S. during those three years.

[Fade the Butcher]

Stay on topic and quit trolling. fact remains, white women have been falsely accusing black men of rape when in reality it isn't true. lame straw attacks aren't helping your cause.

Are you saying the tens of thousands of convicted black rapists who are now in prison for raping white women have been falsely convicted?

[Fade the Butcher]

Lame straw attack, come again with something better. this thread isn't about "black" failure, its about white women falsely accusing black men of rape.

It's a myth that there are thousands of such convicted black rapists in prison right now?

[Fade the Butcher]

In April 1867, a call went out for all known Ku Klux Klan chapters or dens to send representatives to Nashville, Tennessee, for a meeting that would plan the Klan response to the new federal Reconstruction policy.

Query: How many murders and robberies are committed by blacks every single year?

[Petyr Baelish]

It's a myth that there are thousands of such convicted black rapists in prison right now?

Fade: the US corrections system is obviously racist against blacks; this is demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt by the large number of blacks currently incarcerated in American jails and prisons.

[Starr]

Sure. About 15,400 white women were raped by blacks per year between 2001 and 2003. Why don't you tell us how many black women were raped by the KKK during the same time period?

It happens all the time. It has been all over the news haven't you heard about it?:rofl:


Why don't you just tell us how many black women were raped by white men in general in the U.S. during those three years.

I suspect there are tons of black women who have been victims of white men who just can't keep their hands to themselves, but yet are too afraid to come forward because they fear they will not be believed and will be ridiculed by racist whitey. You need to learn compassion.:(

[Fade the Butcher]

Yes. These black women are afraid of speaking out because the all powerful KKK is keeping them intimidated. And what if they do? The criminal justice system, along with the U.S. Government, is controlled by WNs.

[Leif]

It follows that the proportion of all rapes that have white victims and black offenders is about 5 to 6%.

Interesting. The fact that most crime is intra-racial means that defacto segregation remains the norm.

[Charles_Rigaud]

Interesting. The fact that most crime is intra-racial means that defacto segregation remains the norm.

Non-sequitir, what that really states is that the myth of the brute black man raping whites is what it is, a myth. Whites ought to be more concerned about people of their own race raping them than blacks.

[il ragno]

You know you're in the presence of an ARA con man when the first boogeyman they dredge up to scare the luvva diversity into you is the KKK.

Prepare without complaint for racial extermination because some pharmacist or hardware-store owner wore a white hood and whooped it up with his buddies in the woods back in 1911.

[Ahknaton]

Non-sequitir, what that really states is that the myth of the brute black man raping whites is what it is, a myth. Whites ought to be more concerned about people of their own race raping them than blacks.Logically, since Whites make up the majority of the population, it's to be expected that they will commit most crimes (of any sort). What matters is the per capita rates of offending.

Comparing the number of White women raped by White males versus the number of White women raped by Black males is misleading. A more appropriate pair of statistics would be number of rapes committed by White males per capita (against women of any race) versus number of rapes per capita committed by Black males (against women of any race).

[Charles_Rigaud]

Logically, since Whites make up the majority of the population, it's to be expected that they will commit most crimes (of any sort). What matters is the per capita rates of offending.

Comparing the number of White women raped by White males versus the number of White women raped by Black males is misleading.

No it isn't misleading, its indicative of the truth since whites like the racists here complain that blacks are raping their women at staggering rates, but how can that be so when only 5% of *ALL* rapes are black on white?




A more appropriate pair of statistics would be number of rapes committed by White males per capita (against women of any race) versus number of rapes per capita committed by Black males (against women of any race).

Lets use Native-Americans as an representative non-white non-black peopluation and see who is more violent towards them, blacks or whites...


"The majority (60%) of American Indian victims of violent crime described the
offender as white, and nearly 30% of the offenders were likely to have been
other American Indians. An estimated 10% of offenders were described as
black."

http://i1.tinypic.com/nczac2.jpg


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/aic.pdf


Look at rape sexual assaults, 82% of rape/sexual assaults against Native-Americans were white compared to only 6% for blacks, so if Native-Americans had a "race" they should fear whom should they fear more?

[Leif]

Non-sequitir, what that really states is that the myth of the brute black man raping whites is what it is, a myth. Whites ought to be more concerned about people of their own race raping them than blacks.


I don't dispute any of that.

[Ahknaton]

No it isn't misleading, its indicative of the truth since whites like the racists here complain that blacks are raping their women at staggering rates, but how can that be so when only 5% of *ALL* rapes are black on white?
I haven't seen anyone here claim that there is an epidemic of Blacks raping White women, only that Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites (which is true). What is your point, that Blacks may commit more rapes per capita, but it's mostly against other Blacks, so don't worry about it?

Lets use Native-Americans as an representative non-white non-black peopluation and see who is more violent towards them, blacks or whites...

"The majority (60%) of American Indian victims of violent crime described the
offender as white, and nearly 30% of the offenders were likely to have been
other American Indians. An estimated 10% of offenders were described as
black."
Whites make up a higher percentage of the population so that's not surprising. Also, according to that pdf file Native-Americans are victimised at twice the rate as the rest of the population, so they are not a "representative non-white non-black peopluation". Also Native-Americans are not evenly distributed geographically, but tend to be clumped in certain areas (which are also disproportionately White). This will skew the statistics for Native-American victimisations. Perhaps Asians would have been a better example?

[Charles_Rigaud]

I haven't seen anyone here claim that there is an epidemic of Blacks raping White women, only that Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites (which is true). What is your point, that Blacks may commit more rapes per capita, but it's mostly against other Blacks, so don't worry about it?


Whites make up a higher percentage of the population so that's not surprising. Also, according to that pdf file Native-Americans are victimised at twice the rate as the rest of the population, so they are not a "representative non-white non-black peopluation". Also Native-Americans are not evenly distributed geographically, but tend to be clumped in certain areas (which are also disproportionately White). This will skew the statistics for Native-American victimisations. Perhaps Asians would have been a better example?

None of that explains why whites are raping Native-Americans at that staggering percentage, 82%? Whereas most crime is intra-racial, whites victimize Native-Americans at a staggering rate thats hard to comprehend, is this a continuation of the race war of white against Native American? So answer my question, whom should Native-Americans fear more, whites or blacks? The question shouldn't be that hard to answer.

[Charles_Rigaud]

"I haven't seen anyone here claim that there is an epidemic of Blacks raping White women, only that Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites (which is true). What is your point, that Blacks may commit more rapes per capita, but it's mostly against other Blacks, so don't worry about it?"

Post the relevant stats for this!

[Ahknaton]

None of that explains why whites are raping Native-Americans at that staggering percentage, 82%? Whereas most crime is intra-racial, whites victimize Native-Americans at a staggering rate thats hard to comprehend, is this a continuation of the race war of white against Native American?
I'm not sure what accounts for these statistics. However, like I said, you are fixating on the anomalous case and ignoring the big picture: Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites.
So answer my question, whom should Native-Americans fear more, whites or blacks? The question shouldn't be that hard to answer.Based on the available evidence, they should fear Whites more than Blacks.

[Charles_Rigaud]

I'm not sure what accounts for these statistics. However, like I said, you are fixating on the anomalous case and ignoring the big picture: Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites.
Based on the available evidence, they should fear Whites more than Blacks.


None of those stats are anomalous, its the truth.

[Charles_Rigaud]

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=48

[Ahknaton]

"I haven't seen anyone here claim that there is an epidemic of Blacks raping White women, only that Blacks commit more rapes per capita than Whites (which is true). What is your point, that Blacks may commit more rapes per capita, but it's mostly against other Blacks, so don't worry about it?"

Post the relevant stats for this!
http://www.amren.com/color.pdf

See Page 7

[Ahknaton]

None of those stats are anomalous, its the truth.
Anomalous doesn't mean "false", it means "out of step with the larger trend".