Islamic prayers could be illegal under new laws

[Felix the Cat]

Islamic prayers could be illegal under new laws (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/islamic-prayers-could-be-illegal-under-new-laws/2006/02/05/1139074108613.html)

STANDARD Islamic prayers in mosques may be illegal under new anti-terror laws, international law specialist Ben Saul told a conference in Melbourne.

Dr Saul said yesterday it could be against the law to pray in Australian mosques for victory for the mujahideen in Iraq.

The conference also discussed the legality of showing training videos recruiting Muslims to fight in Chechnya.

The sedition laws applied only where Australia was at war with a country or group — so training videos for al-Qaeda, the Taliban or Iraq would be illegal. But if the Australian Government had proscribed some Chechen organisations, recruiting for them would be illegal.

Dr Saul, of the University of NSW, said the new sedition law criminalised some things said in a religious context, such as the standard prayer "may God grant victory to the mujahideen in Iraq".

"The legislation is very ambiguous. You don't necessarily have to encourage someone to fight Australian troops — even contributing blankets to mujahideen could be criminal."

Dr Saul told The Age the anti-terrorism laws were an excessive and unjustified over-reaction to the threat Australia faced, and some provisions breached human rights under international law.

"The risk to the US and UK is undoubtedly far greater than the risk to Australia, but we've adopted far more invasive orders. And unlike those countries, we don't have the protection of a bill of rights," he said. People could be subjected to house detention for the 10 years the legislation lasts without ever being charged.

"If one person in a mosque says something outrageous in support of terrorism, these laws allow the government to close down the entire mosque — an extremely disproportionate reaction which collectively punishes every worshipper," Dr Saul said.

He said there was confusion and uncertainty among Muslims about the new laws. Muslim leaders did not know what they could say until they saw how the laws were used.

Precise information about the terrorist threat to Australia had not been made public, so justification for the laws was hard to judge, Dr Saul said.

"Australians are deprived of information and asked to trust political judgements when we know they have been manipulated in the past," he said.

About 70 Muslim leaders and others attended the Darebin conference, which was funded by the Federal Government's Living in Harmony program.

[Jimbo Gomez]

That's a fine law.

[Kodos]

Good. Its about time incrementalism be used to outlaw something that should be outlawed rather then what some "uplifters" want.

[Vindex]

Just a band-aid solution for mudslime pollution.

[Starr]

Dr Saul said yesterday it could be against the law to pray in Australian mosques for victory for the mujahideen in Iraq.



What is not allowing the prayers going to do(how is this going to be enforced?) Isn't the bigger issue about allowing people to live in the country that would pray for such things?

Instead you allow these people(extremely religious) to remain in the country while telling them how they are to legally pray to Allah.

That is asking for an attack.

[Kodos]

What is not allowing the prayers going to do(how is this going to be enforced?

They bug the place or some such...

[Excorcism]

What is not allowing the prayers going to do(how is this going to be enforced?) Isn't the bigger issue about allowing people to live in the country that would pray for such things?

Instead you allow these people(extremely religious) to remain in the country while telling them how they are to legally pray to Allah.

That is asking for an attack.

That was exactly what I was thinking. It's not so much of the prayer itself that's a problem, although it may encourage such actions, but it's the fact that there are people that WOULD listen and pray along to such things.

[Vindex]

The problem is not what the muslims are doing in there mosques. The problem is why are there mosques filled with mudslimes in White Nations.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Starr: this law alone won't do it, but if you enforce this law by bugging their mosques, and you make a whole buttload of similar laws designed to harass them out, you may see results. ;)

[Starr]

Starr: this law alone won't do it, but if you enforce this law by bugging their mosques, and you make a whole buttload of similar laws designed to harass them out, you may see results.

Possibly, but for the craziest ones that are not harrassed out, The result may be that they have to die(and kill) for Allah. And this will help to feed into their insanity.

Kicking them out is not going to happen. But nothing short of that is going to prevent them from eventually doing what they will do.

[Count Eustace II]

What's the law for Australians who pray in their churches for the continued obliteration and subjugation of the Middle East and Islam by the use of 5 ton bombs and 100,000 man foreign armies??

What's the law say in Australia for the supporting of a coalition of powerful, massively armed countries against 1 small country that had no weapons, no air force, no navy, no army and no aggression??

Muslims don't belong in the West. Period. But they also don't deserve rainstorms of bombs and gross inhumanity served up to them either in their own countries if they haven't attacked anyone.

[Starr]

Muslims don't belong in the West. Period. But they also don't deserve rainstorms of bombs and gross inhumanity served up to them either in their own countries if they haven't attacked anyone.

Agreed. And why are they praying for certain things in the Mosques?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Agreed. And why are they praying for certain things in the Mosques?

Because they're savages.

[Starr]

Probably so. And that is one of the reasons why continuing to stir them up and giving them all kinds of reasons to hate you, while at the same time allowing them to live in the west is beyond insane. Does anyone actually think that welcoming them and then forcing them to live by our rules is going to cause some kind of peaceful assimilation? We don't want it and they don't want it.

Asking for all kinds of trouble,itz.

[Felix the Cat]

In the mideast race and religion are inseparable

Sunnis = either pure Arabs, Arabs admixed with Turks, or Arabs mixed with Negroes (And that broadly describes the racial pecking order within the Arab-Muslim world)

Christans = Arabs mixed with Europeans

Sh'ias = Arabs mixed with Iranians

Sephardim = Arabs mixed with Jews

[brigadier Biggles]

i remember stories like this concerning British mosques after the july 7th bombings in London.

anyway all this Islamophobia is playing right into the zionists and americans (2 are interchangeable really) hands though.

[Anarch]

What's the law for Australians who pray in their churches for the continued obliteration and subjugation of the Middle East and Islam by the use of 5 ton bombs and 100,000 man foreign armies??

Nothing. Rest assured, as much as I despise my local Baptist Church, if I got told they were going to offer prayers in favour of the incineration of the middle east, I'd go pray too.

What's the law say in Australia for the supporting of a coalition of powerful, massively armed countries against 1 small country that had no weapons, no air force, no navy, no army and no aggression??

That didn't happen. Iraq had an army. We just obliterated it.

Muslims don't belong in the West. Period. But they also don't deserve rainstorms of bombs and gross inhumanity served up to them either in their own countries if they haven't attacked anyone.

Yes they do. :D

[Count Eustace II]

Muslims don't belong in the West. Period. But they also don't deserve rainstorms of bombs and gross inhumanity served up to them either in their own countries if they haven't attacked anyone.

Yes they do. :D

Then lead the way, mate!:D

[Walden]

Agreed. And why are they praying for certain things in the Mosques?



I pray for relief of the people in afflicted areas, I pray for peace in Palestine, Chechnya, etc. I pray for the souls of people killed by heretics and murderers and pray for God to guide aformentioned heretics back to the straight path.


Why is it you are assuming that every Muslim prays for the violent overthrow of the west?

[Walden]

Nothing. Rest assured, as much as I despise my local Baptist Church, if I got told they were going to offer prayers in favour of the incineration of the middle east, I'd go pray too.





And you are different from the "raghead muds" how?

[Walden]

[QUOTE=Charles Martel]Because they're savages.QUOTE]


Perhaps.



Then again, perhaps that's better than being a coward sitting behind a TV or a computer complaining about things they have no intention of fixing.

I believe starr once posited a question along the lines of "when are the whites going to get enraged?". My answer, being white? Never.



Why?

Because the west is a castrated, worthless joke, and a bad joke at that. The white western world has been so crippled by the PC mob and foreign interests that they are incapable of accomplishing anything. America, once the fledgling, upstart revolutionary nation that defeated the then greatest empire has become a nation of SUV driving retards content to sit infront of the TV and nod their heads to everything the talking box says.


The white world might have been worth something, once, decades or centuries ago, but it's not anymore.

[Starr]

Why is it you are assuming that every Muslim prays for the violent overthrow of the west?

I'm not. but the topic of the thread is not about muslim prayers for world peace.

[Walden]

I'm not. but the topic of the thread is not about muslim prayers for world peace.


But the article makes the erroneous assumption that such prayers are a minority.

[Felix the Cat]

Because the west is a castrated, worthless joke, and a bad joke at that. The white western world has been so crippled by the PC mob and foreign interests that they are incapable of accomplishing anything.

Well, Denmark is in the news so let's take that as an example.

In 1945 the Danes rounded up Germans who had lived for centuries on Danish soil and threw them out of the country, or into internment camps

Now another group of people are marching through Danish cities, shouting about Jews and threatening to overthrow the government

What makes you so absolutely certain the Danes won't deal with these troublemakers the way they did the others?

[Ahknaton]

Because the west is a castrated, worthless joke, and a bad joke at that. The white western world has been so crippled by the PC mob and foreign interests that they are incapable of accomplishing anything. America, once the fledgling, upstart revolutionary nation that defeated the then greatest empire has become a nation of SUV driving retards content to sit infront of the TV and nod their heads to everything the talking box says.
Speak for yourself.

What is the point of awakening from your lemminghood just to declare that all is lost and post another defeatist screed about the impending collapse of the West?

I have 100% confidence in the potential of the average White male to become a violent genocidal maniac if enough of his buttons are pushed enough times. It's probably in the DNA.

Basically, we're reaching the end of the period where the West can conceivably be saved by ethno-nationalists or moderate WNs convincing wigger liberals/Jews that they're wrong and then rolling back some of the more self-destructive policies of liberal democracy through more-or-less non-violent means.

If this doesn't happen within another 5 or 10 years (perhaps sooner) then things will get so bad that the masses will wake up on their own and the kind of Linderite opinions seen on VNN forum will become commonplace. Then they'll wish they'd listened to us reasonable Jared Taylor/Charles Murray-reading types when they had the chance.

[daisy]

i'm just thinking dang first we had to listen to those blacks complain for like 30 some years now we are gonna have to hear them arabs complaining for another 30 some years eventually they will probally have their own little arab history month like the black history month all over national tv

[Jimbo Gomez]

Every man has a breaking point, it's part of the human condition. I agree the West is only a shadow of what it used to be, but I refuse to believe there's no way to improve our condition. IMO, you'll see people stop taking all this crap the moment they don't have so much to lose anymore when they open their mouth, in other words, after a major economic crisis. Seeing how we export our jobs and import crime, I expect this crisis to come in the not that distant future.

[Kodos]

Lebanese christians are okay in my experience... that doesn't change what must be done with most of these people( and the cartoon thing proves it).

[Eddy]

Lebanese christians are okay in my experience... that doesn't change what must be done with most of these people( and the cartoon thing proves it).

It is a conflict of religious ideology, not some superstitious thing about blood. ;)

[Walden]

Well, Denmark is in the news so let's take that as an example.


Now another group of people are marching through Danish cities, shouting about Jews and threatening to overthrow the government


That could be just another WN rally in downtown Anywhere, USA. We've had more than a few rallies like that in Missouri :D


What makes you so absolutely certain the Danes won't deal with these troublemakers the way they did the others?

The americans did that to the japanese as well, except they didn't expel them. Just locked them up and ruined some lives.

But I don't see the USA doing it (in the public domain, at least), precisely because of the aformentioned PC mobs.

[Walden]

Speak for yourself.

What is the point of awakening from your lemminghood just to declare that all is lost and post another defeatist screed about the impending collapse of the West?


All isn't lost; I just don't think the average joe realizes what an uphill battle it will be


I have 100% confidence in the potential of the average White male to become a violent genocidal maniac if enough of his buttons are pushed enough times. It's probably in the DNA.


So do I. I'm a history major specializing in Medieval european history. The reason you list is also one of the factors (I think) in the spread of christianity in the west. During medieval times, vicarious atonement was needed given the collective murderous culpability of the west.


Basically, we're reaching the end of the period where the West can conceivably be saved by ethno-nationalists or moderate WNs convincing wigger liberals/Jews that they're wrong and then rolling back some of the more self-destructive policies of liberal democracy through more-or-less non-violent means.

Nah, I don't think so. I think non violent means can still achieve the desired objective. The question is, is the west ready for the suffering and sacrifice that would entail. Badshah Khan organized a standing non violent protest army of 100,000+ afghans (pashtuns) several decades ago to oust foreign interests, and the afghanis, some of the "darkies" most on this board reviled, proved themselves perfectly willing to get shot by the british while protesting to achieve their objectives.


Are americans willing to do the same?


If this doesn't happen within another 5 or 10 years (perhaps sooner) then things will get so bad that the masses will wake up on their own and the kind of Linderite opinions seen on VNN forum will become commonplace. Then they'll wish they'd listened to us reasonable Jared Taylor/Charles Murray-reading types when they had the chance.


I doubt it. As things currently stand, you are giving the masses way too much credit. Things have been status quo for decades now. What makes you think a few years will change that?

[Anarch]

Rest assured, as much as I despise my local Baptist Church, if I got told they were going to offer prayers in favour of the incineration of the middle east, I'd go pray too.
And you are different from the "raghead muds" how?

We have bigger bombs :D