I never knew...

[brigadier Biggles]

The final action of the WAFFEN SS wasnt some offensive or rear guard action but the evacuation of ethnic Germans from czechoslovakia and soldiers to surrender to the Americans in the west by Weidinger...

bet this humanitarian herioc style mission wouldnt be given a hollywood script :rofl: .

[cerberus]

He wrote a very unique version of Oradour sur Glare.

[brigadier Biggles]

He wrote a very unique version of Oradour sur Glare.

not heard of that before, whats the story ?.

edit - nm found a site with info, http://www.oradour.info/.

[Intrepid]

not heard of that before, whats the story ?.

edit - nm found a site with info, http://www.oradour.info/.

Das Reich offed a few commies and their accomplices on the way to Normandy. More Malmedy-esque crap propaganda came out of it, however. Actually, it was more propagandized than Malmedy even. SS men gleefully bashing babies' skulls on toliets and other assorted maqui myths of the evil Hun. :rolleyes:

[Felix the Cat]

An interesting fact, it seems Alsatians were heavily involved in this event

Was it normal German practice to use men born in France to police the French?

[brigadier Biggles]

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Oradour-sur-Glane/Story/SSversion02.html

[Atlas]

Cowcube is right, many elssasser were involved during the massacre of Oradour sur Glane. In fact the division "Das Reich" (who was involved and had been accused of an amount of horrors on the Russian Front ) was in Provence in early 2004. They recieved orders from a german colonel to go to Normandy, almost 850kms away from provence, a long road. And on the road, they have been harassed by the French resistance who even killed some germans in a terror-attack. Which makes the Germans furious and they decided to pick up 99 males of the city of "Tulle" and hang them to the balcony of house. Then they continued their road back to Normandy after this "incident" and then happened another murder of a german officer. As a vengeance, the division pick up all girls and boys and womens, and put them in the church to burn them alive. The males have been shoot outside the church.

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/oradour1/index.jpg

Massacre of Oradour sur Glanes / 680 deaths - boys-girls-womens-

[brigadier Biggles]

As a vengeance, the division pick up all girls and boys and womens, and put them in the church to burn them alive.

thats actually what Weidinger said happened to German soldiers in the link i posted except they were locked in a school ...

"On 9 June 1944, when the town of Tulle was retaken by armoured reconnaissance battalion 2 Das Reich, the bodies of at least 40 German soldiers of III battalion/95th regiment were found in front of their billet, what had once been a school, horribly mutilated and terribly mauled. According to the eye-witness accounts of the inhabitants of the town, the German soldiers had surrendered to the Maquisards after the latter had set fire to the school building. They had laid down their weapons and come out with their hands raised. But then they had been shot down in front of the building.

[...]

...the final total was 73 German soldiers killed. Some corpses still wore gas-masks, which had supposedly been put on because of smoke in the building. Inhabitants of Tulle reported that the Maquisards, among whom there had been Poles, Red Spaniards and even four Russians in uniform, had driven over German soldiers who were still alive with their lorries. The bodies were in part mutilated beyond recognition. On one of the corpses it was discovered that a hole had been bored through both heels and a rope threaded through. Apparently the soldier had been dragged along by a lorry in this way until he was dead, because his face bore terrible injuries. The dead had several bullet holes in them, mostly in the back and the back of the head.

[Felix the Cat]

He claims the burning of the church was accidental?

[cerberus]

Das Reich offed a few commies and their accomplices on the way to Normandy. More Malmedy-esque crap propaganda came out of it, however. Actually, it was more propagandized than Malmedy even. SS men gleefully bashing babies' skulls on toliets and other assorted maqui myths of the evil Hun
You don't mind if I :rolleyes: at this point. I don't subscribe to the sterotype you suggest but I won't deny murder.
If you care to look a little further you will find several well documented cases of belgian civilians being murdered by the Waffen SS.
I look on the perputrators of such acts in a very different light from men like Ernst Kragg or Christian Tychsen , but I am sure you are well up on "DR."
Biggles ,Weidinger's account of what he believes Oradour was about is posted on the net somewhere , I honestly don't have a link to it.
(See you found part of it , there is a full account somewhere , I had it saved at one time).
Russia and Greece and more than one or two Oradours , Tulle was another example.

Max Hastings wrote a book (using the division's name as its title) about the passage of Das Reich towards Normandy.