Homophobia is "mental illness"

[Billy Score]

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7811

Moral judgment a mental disorder?

By Allan Dobras

It was bound to happen. In the span of a single generation, we have seen the practice of sodomy evolve from a bizarre sexual behavior to a normative alternative lifestyle; from illegality to a constitutional right; from the closet to the boardroom; from tolerance to promotion; and lastly, from the bathhouse to the marriage altar. The next step, which is already in process, is reminiscent of a Soviet-style “reeducation” program.

According to a December 10, 2005, Washington Post article, “Psychiatry Ponders Whether Extreme Bias Can Be an Illness,” it seems there is a serious move afoot to formally designate those who are repulsed by homosexual practice as suffering from a pathological neurosis—“homophobia.” In other words, a person who views the legitimization of homosexuality as sinful, immoral, or destructive to society may have a mental disorder!

That analysis was offered by a number of mental health professionals, including UCLA psychology professor Edward Dunbar, who equates so-called homophobia with racial bias and suggests the “disorder” should be included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

According to Professor Dunbar, “When I see someone who won’t see a physician because they’re Jewish, or who can’t sit in a restaurant because there are Asians, or feels threatened by homosexuals in the workplace, the party line in mental health says, ‘This is not our problem.’ If it’s not our problem, whose problem is it?”

Gary Belkin, deputy chief of psychiatry at New York’s Bellevue Hospital, said “Psychiatrists who are uneasy with including something like this in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual need to get used to the fact that the whole manual reflects social context. That is true of depression on down. Pathological bias is no more or less scientific than major depression.” Dr. Belkin plans to conduct a study on pathological bias among patients at his hospital.

Other psychiatrists have gone a step further and suggested that persons who exhibit “homophobia” may need to be treated with anti-psychotic medications, with a program already implemented within the California Department of Corrections.

Shama Chaiken, divisional chief psychologist for the department, said, “We treat racism and homophobia as delusional disorders. Treatment with anti-psychotics does work to reduce these prejudices.”

Alvin F. Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, says that persons with such pathological biases are “delusional” and believes their problems should be treated with psychiatry. “They imagine people are going to do all kinds of bad things and hurt them, and feel they have to do something to protect themselves. When they reach that stage, they are very impaired. . . . They can’t work and function; they can’t hold a job. They would benefit from treatment of some type, particularly medication.”

A voice of “dissent” was heard from psychiatrist and author Sally Satel, who opined that hate-crime perpetrators could evade responsibility by claiming they suffered from a mental illness: “I think it’s absurd. You could use it as a defense [in court].”


Psychology is a bullshit field. Just a few years ago homosexuality was the disorder. Now homo"phobia" is the disorder. What kind of science changes depending on popular opinion.

[Fade the Butcher]

Psychologists are quite often, but not always, witch doctors in academic robes. There are some subdisciplines of psychology that aren't so bad like psychometrics.

[Heimdall]

Psychology is a bullshit field. Just a few years ago homosexuality was the disorder. Now homo"phobia" is the disorder. What kind of science changes depending on popular opinion.

Psychology is a business. If they can find something, in this case "homophobia," which will send more "troubled" people their way and prescribe more medication, they'll of course call it a mental disorder.

[Banat]

Moral judgment a mental disorder?

I already said it was only a matter of time when it would be proclaimed so, and when the tendencies to such "destructive" and "anti-social" behaviours would be searched in children in order to prevent them and "cure" them.

Now homo"phobia" is the disorder.

Technically, homophobia could be qualified as a disorder. But we are mostly talking about "miso-homia", and not "homo-phobia"

[Atlas]

I've read recently that almost 30% of people suffering from a personality disorder were homosexual.

[Billy Score]

I've read recently that almost 30% of people suffering from a personality disorder were homosexual.
You take that christian extremisim back to your trailer park, fundy!!

[Helios Panoptes]

Psychology has become less concerned with studying minds and behavior, and is now a device to deal with fractious dissidents by categorizing them as "abnormal" for the convenience of the status quo. It's a control device, not an academic field.

[il ragno]

Psychology has become less concerned with studying minds and behavior, and is now a device to deal with fractious dissidents by categorizing them as "abnormal" for the convenience of the status quo. It's a control device, not an academic field.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Helios Panoptes again.

Other psychiatrists have gone a step further and suggested that persons who exhibit “homophobia” may need to be treated with anti-psychotic medications, with a program already implemented within the California Department of Corrections.

Shama Chaiken, divisional chief psychologist for the department, said, “We treat racism and homophobia as delusional disorders. Treatment with anti-psychotics does work to reduce these prejudices.”

Am I the only one who finds this extremely disturbing? "It's not classified as mental illness yet - but we've already begun the pharmaceutical process anyway!"

A voice of “dissent” was heard from psychiatrist and author Sally Satel, who opined that hate-crime perpetrators could evade responsibility by claiming they suffered from a mental illness: “I think it’s absurd. You could use it as a defense [in court].”

Ahhh...that's better. I'd sooner be demonized than mandatorily doped into docility.

[Sinclair]

Psychiatry and psychology are basically the way that physical medicine was before it was any good. Victim to one-cure-fixes-it-all quackery, non-scientific motivation, and just unproved bullshit in general.

Yeah, some racists are probably mentally ill. Some of everybody are probably mentally ill. Some neo''conservatives'' in the US seem downright loopy when it comes to the left, and vice versa (Although there are more of the ''OMG YOU ARE A MOONBAT" jackasses than the bonged-up grad students who will tell you how Bu$h is totally a Nazi, duuuude *inhales*).

[Anima Eternae]

It is my opinion that sociology is more of a nonsense field than psychology.

[Basil Fawlty]

The term itself is literally nonsense.

'homophobia' means either:
fear of the like or similar (Gk)
or
fear of man (Gk/Lt).

Who dreams up these idiotic neologisms?

[cerberus]

Who dreams up these idiotic neologisms?
Since you asked , I do.:p

I would also wonder if the "homophobic" behaviour might be the tip of an iceberg , perhaps some paranoid type state ?
Given the nature of the article all we can do is generalise.
I am not saying that all people who hold racist or strong views are paranoid but I have seen delusional beliefs coloured by peoples belief systems.
Usually they become amplified and as with a lot of paranoid ideation its highly charged emotionally so when he says anti psychotic meds. do have some effect this does not surprise me.
I wouldn't like to be diagnosed as being psychotic on the strength of my views alone , because you hold strong views does mean you are deluded.
Having said that you have to wonder what makes some people "tick".

[Sinclair]

The term ''homophobic'' is over-used. It is quite possible that some people actually sort of hold a fear of homosexuals, because they feel they themselves are homosexuals.

But fear doesn't equal phobia. I fear, say, bears mauling me. But I don't go into panic attacks whenever I see a picture of a bear, or worry that if I go near trees a bear will maul me, etc.

[OVERWATCH]

It is my opinion that sociology is more of a nonsense field than psychology.

I agree, let's not forget that psychology gave us psychometric tests, something which is directly useful and applicable.

I think the problem with sociology is the sociology professors.

[Berianidze]

This is lunacy, Tragic over at Marxismonline.com was telling me that my homophobia was a matter of "mental sickness." Like Mazdak said, I think this highly discredits modern psychology especially, as nothing more than satisfying modern trends.

[Atlas]

You take that christian extremisim back to your trailer park, fundy!!

I'm dead serious actually. Being gay is a illness and it's no surprise for me that a good part of mentally ill turn gay (or already were).

[Starr]

So in the span of not so many years we go from homosexuality being a mental disorder to the unacceptance of it being a mental disorder. How far we have come.:rolleyes:

I really wish those wise head shrinks would make up their mind about who is crazy and who is not. My views on myself depend on it. Do I need medications to cure my many disorders, or not.:(

There are some people who go a little overboard with it, though. Pastor Fred Phelps comes to mind.:D

Being gay is a illness

I do not believe this is true. Fags are born as fags.

[Banat]

The term itself is literally nonsense.

'homophobia' means either:
fear of the like or similar (Gk)
or
fear of man (Gk/Lt).

Who dreams up these idiotic neologisms?

That's why I coiled-up "misohomia", although 'miso-pederasty' would be more appropriate, but not quite correct also.

[Heimdall]

Homophobia is a term that liberals, queers and social-progressive types like to shoot off, usually before a debate starts, because in their mind once someone is labeled a homophobe, they (the liberal, etc.) have won. It's pretty useless debating them then, their wall of self rightous superiority has already been thrown up, it's no use trying to break it down unless you like to hear the same thing over and over in exchange of your arguments.

[Basil Fawlty]

That's why I coiled-up "misohomia", although 'miso-pederasty' would be more appropriate, but not quite correct also.Because pederasty involves men with boys, so the grown-ups only stuff would slip through your defintional net.

[Banat]

Because pederasty involves men with boys, so the grown-ups only stuff would slip through your defintional net.

Yes. And hence the 'not quite correct also'.

[The Retard]

Nobody has a right to tell another person who to love or who to marry, regardless of gender, class, or race.

[Starr]

Nobody has a right to tell another person who to love or who to marry, regardless of gender, class, or race.


You are right, of course, but why do you say "person?" What if someone wants to love a horse, you bigot!:nono:

[The Retard]

You are right, of course, but why do you say "person?" What if someone wants to love a horse, you bigot!:nono:

I'm not a bigot, I have friends into beastiality!

[Faustian Dreams]

The last time I checked, illnesses had physical correlates. Unless there are studies which show some debilitation or impairment of brain function that corresponds with "homophobia," then this article is baseless. Furthermore, it isn't even psychology, merely "pop psych." Traditional psychology is firmly rooted in empirical study.

The supporting evidence for this claim is that it may be slightly aleviated with anti-psychotic medication...but what it doesn't tell you is that anti-psychotic medications generally exert their effect on the frontal lobe, which is associated with higher-order and reasoning skills. The manner in which this works is completely nonspecific; most anti-psychotics merely numb the brain into submission and complacency.

[Heimdall]

I have to turn my head and gag everytime I see two men about to kiss on television. Does this mean I'm a mentally ill homophobe who has a deep down desire to be gay? A dyke-loving femenist I used to date told me, "Yes, it does mean you want to be gay." I never called her back after that, no telling what she thinks now.

[Banat]

Nobody has a right to tell another person who to love or who to marry, regardless of gender, class, or race.

I don't see a collision between agreeing with this and still hating the fags.

[Kamandi]

The last time I checked, illnesses had physical correlates.
Not necessarily - the definition of illness requires "pathology" without specifying physical derangement in particular.

Unless there are studies which show some debilitation or impairment of brain function that corresponds with "homophobia," then this article is baseless. Furthermore, it isn't even psychology, merely "pop psych." Traditional psychology is firmly rooted in empirical study.
Agreed - the problem is one of simple definition: "mental illnesses" are delineated in terms of a failure to distinguish between fantasy and objective reality. Whether one likes gays or not is a question of attitude and not any objective matter of fact.

The supporting evidence for this claim is that it may be slightly aleviated with anti-psychotic medication
Some severe homophobes do have surrounding pathologies like paranoia or psychosis which may respond to pharmaceutical intervention, but I find it hard to believe that the core issue of hostility to gays was substantially modified.
...but what it doesn't tell you is that anti-psychotic medications generally exert their effect on the frontal lobe, which is associated with higher-order and reasoning skills. The manner in which this works is completely nonspecific; most anti-psychotics merely numb the brain into submission and complacency.
As a side effect, some of the traditional antipsychotics like Thorazine or Haldol do generally cause symptomology of that nature. The newer medications like Stellazine, which I imagine were prescribed in this case, don't typically in therapeutic dosage.

[Anchorage Activist]

You are right, of course, but why do you say "person?" What if someone wants to love a horse, you bigot!:nono:

You should have known better than to bring this up. You had to have known some smart aleck would remember this story:D

http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=38000

[Kamandi]

As it's impossible to acquire HIV through casual contact - oxygen is the most effective antipathogenic agent for the virus - it's certainly irrational.

[Julian Curtis Lee]

The term itself is literally nonsense.

'homophobia' means either:
fear of the like or similar (Gk)
or
fear of man (Gk/Lt).

Who dreams up these idiotic neologisms?
A radical gay strategist/propagandist coined the term "homophobia." I don't recall his name. The term is an obvious propaganda word, nothing else, designed to discredit a myriad natural feelings such as aversion, disgust, and intelligent fear -- and class them all as irrational.

[cerberus]

As it's impossible to acquire HIV through casual contact - oxygen is the most effective antipathogenic agent for the virus - it's certainly irrational.

HIV viris is delicate and does not survive well outside a host.
The Hep B and C viruses are much more robust and are highly infective killers to boot.

[scop]

What has occured is that the new moralists in the psychological field have reversed the disorder, a political move that would be as quickly used by many of the posters here if the fortunes of their position were reversed.

To claim you are offended by this on moral grounds reeks of a veiled dislike of the power that now lays in the hands of your enemies.

My own opinion is that homophobia is not however a disorder, nor is homosexuality, the psyche is such a jumble that everybody is a tad insane but as long as one functions there is no problem bar the occasional problem of getting into arguments with other people.

[Kamandi]

What has occured is that the new moralists in the psychological field have reversed the disorder, a political move that would be as quickly used by many of the posters here if the fortunes of their position were reversed.
That's a bit of a rash generalization, as "homophobia" is not recognized as a mental illness by either the DSM-IV guide or a majority of psychologists.

[Kamandi]

A radical gay strategist/propagandist coined the term "homophobia." He has a human name, but I don't remember it. The term is an obvious propaganda word, nothing else, designed to discredit a myriad natural feelings such as aversion, disgust, and intelligent fear -- and class them all as irrational.
As emotions, they're not "rational" by definition. :rolleyes:

There's also nothing "intelligent" about fearing adults who simply choose to have mutual consentual sex in the privacy of their own bedroom.

[Basil Fawlty]

As emotions, they're not "rational" by definition. :rolleyes:

There's also nothing "intelligent" about fearing adults who simply choose to have mutual consentual sex in the privacy of their own bedroom.I agree, as long as that's where it remains.

I must say though, I have never understood why some people get their knickers in a knot about other people's sexual makeup. Equally, all this nonsense about "homophobia" smacks of another pseudo-condition dreamed up by ideologues who try to pathologise everything they don't like.

The truth is, no society has ever openly condoned or celebrated homosexuality. Tacit tolerance by society and discretion from homosexuals has always been civilised way of dealing with it.

[Kamandi]

I agree, as long as that's where it remains.
I can certainly understand hostility to people having sex right out in street.

I must say though, I have never understood why some people get their knickers in a knot about other people's sexual makeup.
You got me.

Equally, all this nonsense about "homophobia" smacks of another pseudo-condition dreamed up by ideologues who try to pathologise everything they don't like.
Again, it's not recognized as a mental illness by the profession at large.

The truth is, no society has ever openly condoned or celebrated homosexuality.
Ever read Plato?

Tacit tolerance by society and discretion from homosexuals has always been civilised way of dealing with it.
Generally, yes.

[Basil Fawlty]

Ever read Plato?Often. Its a popular misconception that he endorses homosexuality. In fact Martha Nussbaum attempted to enlist his help when she was called as an expert witness in a case in Colorado to defend the homosexual position (http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9406/opinion/opinion.html). The upshot of it was that she narrowly escaped being charged with perjury over a dishonest use of a dictionary.

As for the Greeks generally at this time, the Athenians in particlar. Engaging in passive homosexual acts (they did not recognise the modern concept of orientation only role) was an offence punishable by loss of citizenship rights.
Other offences included an adult male being present in the gymnasia during the period set aside for the ephebes, penalty: death. And so on.

In general, the attitude was public censure but private tolerance which is sensible in my view. Sometimes we may tolerate things privately but which we could not endorse as a general rule.

[Donny the Punk]

Psychology is a religion, and the APA has no credibility whatsoever since proposing that paedophilia is normative behaviour.

[The Retard]

Kamandi, is ADL still paying you to write anti-racist trifle on internet message boards?

[The Retard]

ZOG wants all white teens to use fag ebonic(with a lisp) so they can depopulate the West.

[Jim West]

In the old west, real cowboys didn't cotton to any cowhand pokeback mounting one of our steers, especially from no city-slicker metrosexual queers after the sun went down. Instead, we had a better place for their kind...
http://daguerre.frejol.org/photos/20040803001/800x600.jpg

[Kamandi]

Kamandi, is ADL still paying you to write anti-racist trifle on internet message boards?
Nah, just free-lancing spec so Foxman'll comp me at scale. http://www2.iptcp.net:36668/opendebate/images/smilies/image001.gif

[Kamandi]

Often. Its a popular misconception that he endorses homosexuality.
Socrates did, as a reflection of his pedagogical ideal, but whether Plato agreed is a different issue.

In general, the attitude was public censure but private tolerance which is sensible in my view. Sometimes we may tolerate things privately but which we could not endorse as a general rule.
While those laws existed, they weren't enforced, like incest or adultery laws in our time, and in the 4th century, for example, as Will Durant notes, it wasn't unusual for male couples to share a home without stigma.

The partner who permitted himself to be penetrated, or the kinaidoi, was still a subject of ridicule, much like cuckolds became in Chaucer's time.

[Faustian Dreams]

http://anus.com/zine/articles/gay/
"Gay Pride Parade"

[Basil Fawlty]

Socrates did, as a reflection of his pedagogical ideal, but whether Plato agreed is a different issue.I beg to differ. Socrates is praising sublimated homoeroticism. Homoeroticism is not homosexuality.

[Kamandi]

How "sublimated" is it when he discusses the fact that the "superficially beautiful body of Alcibiades" would be repulsive if his internal organs were visible?

[Basil Fawlty]

How "sublimated" is it when he discusses the fact that the "superficially beautiful body of Alcibiades" would be repulsive if his internal organs were visible?How is acknowledging the evident fact of another male's beauty (for Alcibiades was renowned for this) homosexuality or the approval thereof?

[Kamandi]

How could acknowledging another man's specifically sexual beauty in approving terms possibly not be?

[Basil Fawlty]

How could acknowledging another man's specifically sexual beauty in approving terms possibly not be?You have added an adjective there. :nono:

[Kamandi]

Don't know, but in my experience, when men talk about the "beauty" of the bodies of other men, it's sexual. :rofl:

[Basil Fawlty]

Don't know, but in my experience, when men talk about the "beauty" of the bodies of other men, it's sexual. :rofl:Perhaps that says something about the company you keep. ;)

[Kamandi]

Or perhaps your claim that men talk about the "beauty" of other mens' bodies with no sexuality implied indicates the company you do. :D

In any event, it's clear from many other passages in Plato that Socrates and the Athenians in general considered Alcibiades sexually attractive.

[Basil Fawlty]

Or perhaps your claim that men talk about the "beauty" of other mens' bodies with no sexuality implied indicates the company you do. :DWeak, I am commenting on ancient Athens, you were appealing to personal experience. :222:

In any event, it's clear from many other passages in Plato that Socrates and the Athenians in general considered Alcibiades sexually attractive.No, there is no explicit talk about sexual attractiveness. This would be anachronistic.

[seanbam]

I don't know if some of you already saw this in stirpes forum but for those who may not here are my points on gender issues:

"Homophobia mental illness (reaction formation)"?? on the contrary homosexuality is dualistic, heterosexuality is dialectic/anti-dualsitic as the following philosophical points (together not by them selves) show:

-Both sexes came out of one common 'sex.'
-Females said to be superior in some ways: males come out of females, & have anima/right and animus/left in similtaneous interaction ("intuition"), = "can exist alone," more women are practising Christians than men (counter/balance woman fell first), nurture/empathy.
-Males said to be superior in some ways: larger brain, stronger, action/left side brain, .
-Thruout history the majority of im/famous persons have been males.
-Masters/chosen/elect were/are superior in fertility, endowment/performance/orgasm/stud/potency/virile, (sexual dimorphism).
-Tradition maintains both a father 'god' & a mother 'goddess.' In Genesis 1 God created both male & female in his image.
-Masters/chosen/elect neither feminist (Eve - desire) nor chauvinist/"patriarchist" (Adam - rule).
-Masters/chosen/elect was either patriarchal or matriarchal.
-Alledged d/evolution from matriarchy to patriarchy; (Hebrews patriarchal, Jews matrilineal (perhaps type of seed of woman prophecy.))
-Masters/chosen/elect not over dark/animus (masc) males nor over light/anima (femin) females (stereotype).
-Marriage/couple/family must have one head.
-Masters/chosen/elect has heterosexuual marriage/family with dark male & light female (dimorphism) not 2 damaged males/fathers nor 2 damaged females/mothers (quantity), not exogamy, not celebacy.
-Masters/chosen/elect hermaphrodite?
-Masters/chosen/elect recognise that unisex/homosexuality doesn't work because it is impossible for one/other sex to totally change into/become/get all of the other instead/as well (ends up unbalanced within & in marriage).
-Sexes are different/unequal in inner & outer qualities/quantities.
-Animus must be left to naturally dominate in males, and anima in females (dimorphism).
-Each sex must have both animus and anima in a delicately balanced interaction.
-(The root of half of gender issues is sex) the root issue of sex is that men want the best woman/most women (sex), women want best man (incl orgasm)/most men. To be the best man &/or woman, or to have all the women &/or men in the world would not equal being with God. <best world//best you>
-All males from 1st man.
-All females from 1st woman.
-Male foetus in womb comes after female foetus ("brain damaged")
-Masters/chosen/elect treated their mothers/women ("cows") with high respect (wealth/wars, Europe anciently (Classical) called land of women).
-Merging/superimposing all females faces together is claimed to produce a more beautiful face.
-(Alledged im/famous ")homo-/bi-sexuals(") in history: Turks, Bulgars, "Greeks," Sodom, "Ham/Noah," Alexander the Grt, Richard Lionheart, Ernst Roehm, "Robin Hood" (Maid/Lady Maria/on said to be not original, perhaps from virgin Mary/our lady or Morgana le Faye), "Jesus/Lazarus," L Perago, H Clark.
-Original created/perfect sex became/"devolved" into fallen/perverted sex.
-Love has 2 sides 1 feeling/emotion the other commitment/effort when you don't feel like it.

Refs: CS Lewis, D Prince, A Nataf, A Hitler, W Pratney, J Dobson, B Walker, LA Waddell. [Acknowls: Moses, T Jantsang, KR Bolton, [R/B] Zandbergen, Natl Radio, I Lewis, AC Foljambe, Jung, AA Incendium/John, Rhema, M Walker, [Beacon/Natl Vanguard], Edith/Renewal, P Marsh, Hosanna Baptist, French zine.]

Them - "homosexuality is genetic"; Us - so what is it eugenic or dysgenic?
Them - "homosexuality is found in animals in captivity" (implying that it is Natural); Us - captivity = unnatural circumstances, so an unnatural system exaserpates homosexuality (as with prisoners/navy).
Them - "homosexuality has been around since the beginning"; Us - so what so has murder, and homosexuality has only been influential in the declining phases of high cultures.
Them - "homosexuality is OK because there is no God"; Us - if there is no God then Nature is God and homosexuality is also un-natural & anti-cultural.
Them - "same sex civil unions don't hurt other heterosexual couples/marriages"; Us - but it does hurt the higher whole and therefore other couples. We are all interconnected.
Them - "homosexuality is found in animals"; Us - but humans are different to/not just animals, animals don't have high cultures/communities, animals not under fornication/adultery laws.
Them - hero parades; Us - why not have parades of better/gooder things?
The media & politicians push gay rights against culture & community, yet they have no right to when most of them don't even practice it themselves; practicing gays excluding those of the public who want to "tolerate" them are only a minority (abnormal/).
Them - "homosexuality has been found in all cultures & ages"; Us - not majority of world nor majority of history esp rising/zenith of higher cultures.
Them - "bi-sexuality is dialectic synthesis of polarities"; Us - same sex civil unions/adoption is anti-dialectic: best couple = "dark" male & "light" female not 2 males/females, best/natural family = mother & father not 2 mothers/fathers.
Them - "homophobic activism is on the increase"; Us - only seems so because homosexual activism is on the increase.
Them - "homosexuality is genetic"; Us - so what, it is also claimed on similar evidence that crime is genetic too, & there is just as much evidence that it is rather/also due to upbringing/past circumstances/environment.
Them - "hero parades"; Us - what great things have these people done for the whole culture/community to be called heroes? If we think these people are our heroes/role models then we are in a sorry state indeed.
Them - "phobic/activism/intolerance/force"; Us - we fear/activist/in-tolerant against anything which is harmful to our culture & community.