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harjit
05-06-2008, 11:27 AM
Indira Gandhi's Address - "I Feel Kinship with the Roma People"

"I feel a kinship with the Roma People. I have always admired their love of adventure, their closeness to nature and above all, their fortitude and resilience" declared former Indian Prime Minister Indira Ghandi on October 29, 1983, while inaugurating the second International Romani Festival in Chandigarh, India. The full text of her address, as printed in Roma (1) is as follows:

Mr. Governor, Mr. Sait Balic, Mr. Rishi, distinguished guests and my Roma friends:

Welcome to the Roma people to Baro Than. Some of us have met before and some are new faces but all are here in the spirit of friendship. Why am I here? Because I feel a kinship with the Roma People. I have always admired their love of adventure, their closeness to nature and above all, their fortitude and resilience.

Eminent Roma from different countries are with us today and through this the festival will contribute to the strengthening of the already deep-rooted ties between Roma and their Indian fellow humans.

There are 15 million Roma spread the world over. Their history is one of sorrow and suffering. But it is also the story of the triumph of the human spirit over adversity. the persecution which the Roma have faced so gallantly for nearly a thousand years, marked in our own days by Hitler's genocidal frenzy, makes them an example of courage and endurance. These qualities are associated with India, which they regard as their original home.

The Roma of today retain their identity and indeed have revived it. But they have also integrated themselves into the societies where they now live and are assets to the countries to which they now belong, adding color, spontaneity and zest for life.

In different countries they are called by different names. They are an international community in the truest sense, and are thus ideally suited to help to bring about international understanding and world peace. After the First World Romani Congress in London in 1971, the Roma have become increasingly aware of their special identity and special role.

Music is very much a part of their being and they have contributed to the development of musical traditions of East and West. But Roma talents are varied. They permeate every facet of life. For long ears, prejudice and persecution veiled their culture and it could not get the recognition and respect which was its due. Its quality is now being acclaimed. The world is the gainer. With the yearning for new ideas and old cultures, the special aspects of Roma culture will reach out to touch the hearts of wider audiences.

The Multilingual Romani Dictionary has enabled their language to be codified. The half-yearly journal Roma has also been helpful in awakening awareness of this culture in other communities.

It is apt that the Congress is being held here, for the Roma people have an affinity with the Punjab. Roma culture has imbibed and absorbed features of many lands and peoples and it retains memories of elements of Indian civilization. This internationalism has a particular value in our times.

India has also suffered the ignominy of servitude and the myriad ills which attend it but is now independent and resurgent. Its vast treasure of ancient wisdom is open to the world, a part of the common heritage of humankind. The roma represent some of this treasure. They are a living example of humankind's ability to overcome travail. We in India have always been proud of our great and unbroken cultural tradition. Can it now withstand the tremendous onslaught?

The Indian people support the effort of the Roma in enriching human culture. Theirs is an example of nationalism within internationalism, beyond prejudice where large heartedless thinks of all people as one big family, living in harmony, trust and peace.

My good wishes to your festival and for your stay in India.

Upre Roma! Roma Zindabad!! Sastipe!!

(Long ovation and cheers from the audience)


http://www.romani.org/rigadr.html

harjit
05-06-2008, 11:28 AM
Some Roma pictures

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/Katriona1207/for%20my%20blog/fantasy%20and%20medieval/Gypsies/Gypsiesbanner_ChristineLillianWhitf.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/Katriona1207/for%20my%20blog/fantasy%20and%20medieval/Gypsies/gypsy.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/Katriona1207/for%20my%20blog/fantasy%20and%20medieval/fortune%20telling/fortune.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/Katriona1207/for%20my%20blog/fantasy%20and%20medieval/Gypsies/Summer_Magic_ChristineLillianWhitfi.jpg

delete
05-06-2008, 11:57 AM
Do you know anything about Gypsies?

So far I have not met one who has been in personal contact with them, that have not started to hate them.

harjit
05-06-2008, 12:30 PM
Do you know anything about Gypsies?

So far I have not met one who has been in personal contact with them, that have not started to hate them.
Many years ago, I did meet one fellow, a programmer at a small company that was later absorbed by Rock Star Games (of GTA fame). He was in Japan for the Tokyo Game Show, and we ended up going for a beer.

Somehow we started discussing our ethnic backgrounds and he said his parents were "entertainers". I was confused by that. (At first I wondered if that meant Jewish!) Eventually I was able to unravel the fact that they were Romas.

He looked white but was a bit exotic. Culturally he was completely a normal American and, even though I didn't get to know him well, I'm certain I wouldn't end up hating him for ethno-specific behaviours. I don't know if most are assimilated like him or not, in America. In Europe it sounds like they aren't.

I also read a book by Peter Maas (the guy who wrote Serpico) about gypsy communities in America who aren't assimilated (again I don't know that that is the state of most of them or not... I don't remember what the book said and I no longer have it). It sounded like the specific clans featured in this book really have their own world. Some of the clan leaders are pretty rich, due to organized crime.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d9/92/5b726230a8a0c9af122bf010._AA240_.L.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/King-Gypsies-Peter-Maas/dp/0553027476)

Kamandi
05-06-2008, 03:14 PM
Bless her heart. :)

Of course, she not only had spiritual kinship with the Roma people, but she actually shared a line of ancestral descent.

Winston
05-06-2008, 03:31 PM
The gypsies in Britain, in my experience, are fairly hard to tell apart from the White underclass that presumably they have mixed with. I certainly wouldn't call them exotic, and they aren't the asiatic-looking people that I've seen in European countries. I once knew a pair of twins (who were actually quite exotic-looking, ironically, considering what I just said) and they were alright, if a bit rough around the edges and into drugs and thievery. On the whole they are an undesirable people to play host to.

Basil Fawlty
05-06-2008, 03:45 PM
The Roma here are a very recent arrival. They are known for very aggressive begging and petty street corner frauds and thefts. There have been some deportations, but not nearly enough.

harjit
05-06-2008, 03:55 PM
The Roma here are a very recent arrival. They are known for very aggressive begging and petty street corner frauds and thefts. There have been some deportations, but not nearly enough.
That's curious that they are recent in Ireland, I wonder why that is.

They've been in continental Europe for centuries, and I suppose Britain too for nearly as long? I've heard they're called Travellers there.

Basil Fawlty
05-06-2008, 04:01 PM
That's curious that they are recent in Ireland, I wonder why that is.They started arriving from Romania in the late 1990's claiming to be asylum seekers.
They've been in continental Europe for centuries, and I suppose Britain too for nearly as long? I've heard they're called Travellers there.There are Travellers here but they are ethnically Irish.

Winston
05-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Some years back the local nature reserve would frequently be taken over by a hoard of 'travellers' in pickup trucks and modern caravans, but thankfully I haven't seen any in at least a decade.
There's also a local gypsy family who own quite a large house with a large plot of surrounding land. It could be a nice place but it's strewn with rubbish and rusty cars. Luckily it's tucked away out of sight. The family are notoriously rough.

Ambrosio Spinola
05-06-2008, 05:03 PM
http://www.gitanos.org/documentos/madrid/paginas/sub_imagenes/historias_hortaleza_todas_archivos/image034.jpg

http://www.hoy.es/Media/200610/18/gitanos-caceres.jpg

This is how dirty gypsies like to live in Spain

http://www.biblesociety.org/wr_379/379_p06.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42419000/jpg/_42419293_india_afp416.jpg

India


Yes, I understand why she would feel like that. Wish they would all drag their lazy thieving arses back to the motherland.

Gregz
05-06-2008, 05:07 PM
Only a Paki could feel kinship with a dirty thieving gypo. :rofl:

Jake Featherston
05-07-2008, 04:16 AM
I had a very intense dream the other night where I wound up joining a band of Gypsies.

Cid
05-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Indira Gandhi and her tribesmen will feel kinship with the gypsies, after all they themselves are gypsies.

dljordan
06-08-2008, 06:17 PM
They started arriving from Romania in the late 1990's claiming to be asylum seekers.
There are Travellers here but they are ethnically Irish.

We have "Irish Travelers" in the U.S. too. When I was younger they used to announce warnings on the television about the scams they were up to. They mostly scammed older folks on roofing and driveway sealing but they were certainly doing a lot of burglaries and other theft.

Isra'il Yahya
06-12-2008, 01:48 PM
I had a very intense dream the other night where I wound up joining a band of Gypsies.

You're not the only one. I have been considering joining a band of gypsies.

harjit
06-12-2008, 02:06 PM
Maybe Indira Gandhi's not the only person to feel kinship with the Roma people.


I had a very intense dream the other night where I wound up joining a band of Gypsies.


You're not the only one. I have been considering joining a band of gypsies.

Empress Cheesatine
06-15-2008, 06:20 PM
I think Ms. Gandhi should hire some Roma roofers to work on her house.

Empress Cheesatine
06-15-2008, 06:21 PM
Maybe Indira Gandhi's not the only person to feel kinship with the Roma people.

Hire some Roma roofers! :)

harjit
06-15-2008, 06:39 PM
Hire some Roma roofers! :)
I wonder if Kamandi does roofs.