VNN shutdown

[shanemac]

Jozu from VNN here....

Last night I posted a great mini-essay on the Bush administration's inability to understand why democracy has not taken root in the middle east, despite their best efforts of the last few years, and how this must be linked to a kind of religious faith in the equality of races.

This post was a thing of beauty... well thought out and superbly crafted. I was thinking to myself... damn I'm good. This could be a newsweek article (if ZOG would let me in on the media). And then, seconds after I submitted the post, VNN went down.

This is an artist's rendition of my reaction to VNN going down....

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2005/05/noooooooo.jpg

[Glenn Miller]

Not to worry, shanemac. VNN will be back quickly, maybe in 2-3 days, but not more than 10.

Alex believes the shut-down was caused by complaints resulting from that sign ("GOVNN.COM") I held up during last Sunday's Kansas City TV broadcast. Alex received a "flood" of emails - mostly anti, but a few favorable ones, as well.

[Kodos]

Not to worry, shanemac. VNN will be back quickly, maybe in 2-3 days, but not more than 10.

The Feds cut you off because you haven't provided any evidence leading to a convinction in a while eh?

[shanemac]

Not to worry, shanemac. VNN will be back quickly, maybe in 2-3 days, but not more than 10.

The Feds cut you off because you haven't provided any evidence leading to a convinction in a while eh?

Give it a f**kin rest will you! Throwing that line around is getting really boring.

[Fade the Butcher]

The Feds cut you off because you haven't provided any evidence leading to a convinction in a while eh?

Traitor Glenn prides himself on being an activist. He engages in the same sort of activism that the ADL and SPLC partake in: convincing ordinary people that racialists are crazy.

[Kodos]

Give it a f**kin rest will you! Throwing that line around is getting really boring.

All things under heaven with any sense of honor hate rats and snitches( not that I would think much of Glenn anyway).

[O'Zebedee]

Alex believes the shut-down was caused by complaints resulting from that sign ("GOVNN.COM") I held up during last Sunday's Kansas City TV broadcast. Alex received a "flood" of emails - mostly anti, but a few favorable ones, as well.

Hadn't the host received negative email and calls about you before?

[Petr]

Traitor Glenn prides himself on being an activist. He engages in the same sort of activism that the ADL and SPLC partake in: convincing ordinary people that racialists are crazy.
Agent provocateur par excellence.


Petr

[Pixi]

Hadn't the host received negative email and calls about you before?
I'd have to say that this recent television appearance was (IMHO) his most blatantly anti-semitic one yet. It obviously caused the jews to throw quite a shitfit.

[Pablo Escobar]

Shanemac sounds like "WhatGerman" in Serbian and Croatian

[IZVN]

Traitor Glenn prides himself on being an activist. He engages in the same sort of activism that the ADL and SPLC partake in: convincing ordinary people that racialists are crazy.

He was straight forward with his message and thoughts. We all share these same thoughts. I am sure the interview was edited to bring out only certian phrases. There is no way that anyone, even you Fade (I know that you would come out with historical facts and info), would escape being edited by the media if you were to hold an interview.

[Fade the Butcher]

He was a cat's paw for the media who simply used him and his website to advance their propaganda against racialism. It is better to do nothing than to lend your voice to your enemies.

[Excorcism]

Equality of the races? Something tells me the Kurds, Armenians, and Berbers weren't sent the memo on this.

[Dr. No]

Not to worry, shanemac. VNN will be back quickly, maybe in 2-3 days, but not more than 10.

Alex believes the shut-down was caused by complaints resulting from that sign ("GOVNN.COM") I held up during last Sunday's Kansas City TV broadcast. Alex received a "flood" of emails - mostly anti, but a few favorable ones, as well.

Glenn: I'd like to send an email to VNN's former ISP complaining about their shabby treatment of their client. Can you post their contact information here?

[IZVN]

He was a cat's paw for the media who simply used him and his website to advance their propaganda against racialism. It is better to do nothing than to lend your voice to your enemies.


All he did was piss of the usual people and remind people like us that people are still out there standing up for White's rights. If he had said nothing the same people would still be calling us "crazy" but people without internet access who support us would think nothing is being done. I dont see any harm done.

[Kodos]

All he did was piss of the usual people and remind people like us that people are still out there standing up for White's rights.

All of these sockpuppets are just bad pr. Jared Taylor, Lawrence Auster, Peter Brimelow... thats your good guy list.

[Fade the Butcher]

Miller has anointed himself with the title white activist. As a self anointed white activist, it is his job to sway people to our point of view; to make the most persuasive case for racialism he can. Did he do that in the television interview? No, I would say he reinforced the stereotypes of racialists that discredit our cause in the public mind. Sulla thinks he did a great job. That ought to tell you something.

[Glenn Miller]

Hadn't the host received negative email and calls about you before?

Well yes, yes the host has received negative emails and calls about me. But then again, so have I. And so has Alex. And so has Fade, and dozens of other so-called pro-White hosts. I get negative comments everywhere I go, and have for 32 freakin years. But I'm right and they're wrong.

[Glenn Miller]

Glenn: I'd like to send an email to VNN's former ISP complaining about their shabby treatment of their client. Can you post their contact information here?

Sorry Dr. No, but I don't have their email address. Perhaps, Pixi or Varg can provide it. Excellent idea to send them emails. Thanks.

[Glenn Miller]

Miller has anointed himself with the title white activist. As a self anointed white activist, it is his job to sway people to our point of view; to make the most persuasive case for racialism he can. Did he do that in the television interview? No, I would say he reinforced the stereotypes of racialists that discredit our cause in the public mind. Sulla thinks he did a great job. That ought to tell you something.

Sway people to "our" point of view ??? Are you crazy ?? Swaying people to your point of view is the last thing I want to do. You side with Franklin Delano Rosenfeld (his real family name, btw), against White Nationalist Germany, therefore on the side of the GD jews.

You say I "reinforced the stereotypes of racialists". Since I said not one single "racialist" word during that entire TV broadcast, you're either deaf or a deliberate liar. Every word I spoke was related to jews, except that I said I respect blacks because blacks are racists who stick together.

You have zero credibility when criticising anyone associated with VNN because VNN banned your jew-loving ass for 12 months, and because you're a 25 year old, spoiled brat and pompous class-conscious immature punk whose self interests far override any real concerns for the plights of White people, or for groups and activists working for White racial interests.

[O'Zebedee]

Well yes, yes the host has received negative emails and calls about me. But then again, so have I. And so has Alex. And so has Fade, and dozens of other so-called pro-White hosts. I get negative comments everywhere I go, and have for 32 freakin years. But I'm right and they're wrong.

I was just wondering why they should choose now to shut down your site. Sure, you flashed the address on TV, but it's not like VNN was unknown before.

Guess it's moot, though, and kind of a pointless query.

[Jimbo Gomez]

You have zero credibility when criticising anyone associated with VNN because VNN banned your jew-loving ass for 12 months,

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense you know.

[Glenn Miller]

He was a cat's paw for the media who simply used him and his website to advance their propaganda against racialism. It is better to do nothing than to lend your voice to your enemies.

That can be said about every legitimate pro-White spokesmen who ever uttered a pro-White word via any establishment media.

"Do nothing" describes you, not me. At least I try to get truths about jews and racial insanities to the jew-brainwashed White masses. You lack the minimum manhood required to place your real name alongside what you say you believe.

I am an ACTIVIST preaching truths to the masses. You are an anonymous coward preaching "go easy on the jews" jibberish mainly to a choir of like-minded anonymous cowards, who do nothing while contributing nothing to the Cause of freedom from the jews or the survival of the White Race.

Now go back to your jew-written college "history" books.

[1-800]

You have zero credibility when criticising anyone associated with VNN because VNN banned your jew-loving ass for 12 months, and because you're a 25 year old, spoiled brat and pompous class-conscious immature punk whose self interests far override any real concerns for the plights of White people, or for groups and activists working for White racial interests.

Was it in the name of White racial interests that you became an informant?

:p

[1-800]

"Do nothing" describes you, not me.

Yes, you testified. Congratulations.

[Anima Eternae]

C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

[Kodos]

C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

The fact that he ratted on his "comrades" is more despicable then anything else( and there is much else to despise).

[Anima Eternae]

Right...but from my perspective, what do I care if an idiot ratted out a bunch of other idiots? Many years ago?

Let's think about right now.

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[1-800]

C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

I just really despise turncoats and traitors, no matter where their allegiance lies.

[Glenn Miller]

He was straight forward with his message and thoughts. We all share these same thoughts. I am sure the interview was edited to bring out only certian phrases. There is no way that anyone, even you Fade (I know that you would come out with historical facts and info), would escape being edited by the media if you were to hold an interview.

If you can even vaguely invision Fade speaking pro-White views publicly, much less on TV, you've got one hell of an imagination.

That kike reporter interviewed me for 40-45 minutes, sitting 3 feet away, and eye-ball to eye-ball. Obviously, more than 95 percent of the interview was trashed, and segments he chose, was broadcasted. I knew that would happen so I made sure my sign "GOVNN.COM" would be seen no matter which segments were shown.

TV, newspaper, and radio interviews have proven to be VNN-productive for several reasons: (1) A dozen or more VNN letters-to-editor rebutals have been published, most containing either my phone number or VNN websites, or both, (2) I was invited as a guest to speak for 1-hour on 3 radio talk shows in Wisconsin and Missouri, in which I stated my phone number and our websites, which btw, resulted in at least 60 favorable contacts, and no doubt, hundreds of new guests to VNN websites. (3) At least some truths about jews and racial insanities were heard/read by millions. And (4) Millions of Whites have been given a little hope and inspiration by learning of the existance of our White Resistance efforts.

And none of the above would have been possible without the mass distributions nationwide, of 113,000 copies of The Aryan Alternative newspaper. Besides all that. . . .

"Every day we're not attacked by jew media hounds, is a day we've wasted." VNN'ers waste less days than any other pro-White website forum, that's for damn sure.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=Glenn Miller]That can be said about every legitimate pro-White spokesmen who ever uttered a pro-White word via any establishment media.

This is true enough.

Every word I spoke was related to jews

And there lies the problem. Those "jew brainwashed masses" are more likely to respond postively to something they can relate to.(immigration would be a big one) Speaking on the jews is a must, but you make everything about the Jews and people tune you out.

[Anima Eternae]

Actually, I'm glad ol' Glenn didn't speak about illegal immigration or anything sensible. Would you let Charles Manson teach calculus?

[FranzJoseph]

Jared Taylor, Lawrence Auster, Peter Brimelow... thats your good guy list.

Funny thing though, you'll never see a whole thread that goes on for pages and pages on the Good Guy List.

It's a habit of mind that we spend more time frothing about who's doing it wrong than who we think is doing it right. My assumption remains there's no way to do it wrong because there's enough types of people for a whole slew of performers.

Glenn Miller has a certain audience locked up. So does Jared and Peter and Lawrence. So did Sam Francis and so does Kevin Strom.

Let the games... continue!

[Intrepid]

C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

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Stephie: I know, I know, Chip. Still, don't you dare forget the WitnessProtectionProgram quiche. It's a meal that just keeps on giving and giving, you know.

Chip: Mighty tempting choices, I'll say. I'm going to try a few of them. For dessert, you've just got to try the My Daughter's blood is splattered on the wall tart. Nothing ever tops that one, Stephie.

Stephie: Mmmmm.. You've sold me, Chipper. And just think of it? Some folks don't seem to appreciate the variety at the TGM Buffet.

[Anima Eternae]

you've just got to try the My Daughter's blood is splattered on the wall tart.

wahahah

+rep

[varg]

Glenn: I'd like to send an email to VNN's former ISP complaining about their shabby treatment of their client. Can you post their contact information here?
you can probably find their email on their site: http://www.serverbeach.com

[Anchorage Activist]

you can probably find their email on their site: http://www.serverbeach.com

I couldn't find their e-mail address (although they have a route where you can contact customer service, which would probably not be the best place to direct any "philosophical" enquiries).

However, they do have a discussion forum:

http://www.forums.serverbeach.com

The two most logical sub-fora to launch a discussion on why they pulled the plug on VNN would be the AUP and ToS Forum, or the Lounge. Since it is a ToS issue, the first choice might work better.

In case anyone's curious, there is a backup VNN Forum, accessible at the following link:

http://www.vnnforum.notlong.com

Currently there are 12 VNN'ers registered on it.

[Draco]

against White Nationalist Germany

What was "white nationalist Germany"? There was a glorious National Socialist Germany though. WHite nationalism is an artifical patchwork "thing" made up by Americans.

P.S.

Marrying even a Pole was punishable by a summer or ten in lovely Buchenwald, how would your marriage to your Polynesian wife have been judged?

Look up Volks-Verräter for the answer.

[Anchorage Activist]

I was just wondering why they should choose now to shut down your site. Sure, you flashed the address on TV, but it's not like VNN was unknown before.

Guess it's moot, though, and kind of a pointless query.

It's actually a very pertinent query. Hal Turner's discussion board has been shut down for a week now. Somebody Tos'd him so badly he has to get a new server. White Revolution was shut down briefly last week. Even Stormfront got knocked offline for a short period last month.

It's premature to suggest conspiracy, but when you intialize this against the fact that so many people in Europe and Canada are being jailed merely for disputing (not denying) the finer points of the Jewish "Holocaust", it makes you wonder.:confused:

Somebody's out to criminalize dissent.:mad:

[Starr]

It's actually a very pertinent query. Hal Turner's discussion board has been shut down for a week now. Somebody Tos'd him so badly he has to get a new server. White Revolution was shut down briefly last week. Even Stormfront got knocked offline for a short period last month.

It's premature to suggest conspiracy, but when you intialize this against the fact that so many people in Europe and Canada are being jailed merely for disputing (not denying) the finer points of the Jewish "Holocaust", it makes you wonder.:confused:

Somebody's out to criminalize dissent.:mad:

The issues you mention with all of these sites seems to fit perfectly with some of the talk recently about all the "hate" on the internet and how that needs to be dealt with.(a lot of it seems to get shoved in with talk of dark terrorist plots, to scare people:rolleyes: ) It is just one more of the many ways to continue the "criminalization of dissent"

[Anchorage Activist]

The issues you mention with all of these sites seems to fit perfectly with some of the talk recently about all the "hate" on the internet and how that needs to be dealt with.(a lot of it seems to get shoved in with talk of dark terrorist plots, to scare people:rolleyes: ) It is just one more of the many ways to continue the "criminalization of dissent"

Not only that, but there's also a move afoot by some of the largest telecommunications providers to commodify the Internet even further, by allowing differential prices for different levels of service. I have a free e-mail account from Yahoo now; this could end, although to their credit, Yahoo and Google oppose any change. This could possibly knock underfunded WN sites off the market altogether.

[Fade the Butcher]

That can be said about every legitimate pro-White spokesmen who ever uttered a pro-White word via any establishment media.

No. Jared Taylor makes effective use of such venues to give people a positive image of white racialism.

"Do nothing" describes you, not me.

Listen. I don't dispute that you are doing something. Mark Potok, Abe Foxman, and Morris Dees are all doing something too: trying their best to discredit white racialism in America. Your so-called activism is helping them in that effort.

At least I try to get truths about jews and racial insanities to the jew-brainwashed White masses.

No. You come across as hateful, irrational, and unprofessional. You reinforce the negative stereotypes of racialists the media works so hard to create.

You lack the minimum manhood required to place your real name alongside what you say you believe.

I am not stupid enough to believe the masses can be swayed by rational appeals. It makes much more sense to infiltrate powerful institutions and to work within them to bring about change.

I am an ACTIVIST preaching truths to the masses.

I haven't denied that you are an activist. Your activism helps the other side.

You are an anonymous coward preaching "go easy on the jews" jibberish

I haven't said the Jews are not a problem.

mainly to a choir of like-minded anonymous cowards, who do nothing while contributing nothing to the Cause of freedom from the jews or the survival of the White Race.

I don't deny that you have done quite a lot to help out our enemies and continue to put forth your best effort to discredit white racialism. You have a long history of this. Just ask the former members of the Order who are now resting in prison. They have a lot to say about you.

Now go back to your jew-written college "history" books.

Explain to us again how ZOG forced you to have mixed child by controlling your mind through television.

[Fade the Butcher]

The fact that he ratted on his "comrades" is more despicable then anything else( and there is much else to despise).

Let's make a deal! :p

[Fade the Butcher]

Sway people to "our" point of view ??? Are you crazy ??

Sorry. I forgot for a second there that you were on the side of the federal government.

Swaying people to your point of view is the last thing I want to do.

Very true.

You side with Franklin Delano Rosenfeld (his real family name, btw), against White Nationalist Germany, therefore on the side of the GD jews.

There was no White Nationalist Germany.

You say I "reinforced the stereotypes of racialists".

Yes.

Since I said not one single "racialist" word during that entire TV broadcast, you're either deaf or a deliberate liar.

You went on television and told tens of thousands of people that you want innocent people to die.

Every word I spoke was related to jews, except that I said I respect blacks because blacks are racists who stick together.

You came across as an old fashioned bigot driven by hatred of nonwhites.

You have zero credibility when criticising anyone associated with VNN because VNN banned your jew-loving ass for 12 months, and because you're a 25 year old, spoiled brat and pompous class-conscious immature punk whose self interests far override any real concerns for the plights of White people, or for groups and activists working for White racial interests.

I don't have any nonwhite children.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Rumor has it this (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/kid-creole-and-the-coconuts-stool-pigeon-lyrics.html) song was written especially for our friend from VNN.

[Glenn Miller]

It's actually a very pertinent query. Hal Turner's discussion board has been shut down for a week now. Somebody Tos'd him so badly he has to get a new server. White Revolution was shut down briefly last week. Even Stormfront got knocked offline for a short period last month.

It's premature to suggest conspiracy, but when you intialize this against the fact that so many people in Europe and Canada are being jailed merely for disputing (not denying) the finer points of the Jewish "Holocaust", it makes you wonder.:confused:

Somebody's out to criminalize dissent.:mad:

If and when they ban WN websites and forums, TAA will still be printed and distributed, A.A. And our contributors and distributors will be so pissed about jewish internet censorship, they'll work even harder and sacrifice even more for TAA. Freed from their computer stools and anonymous talking-the-enemy-to-death jibberishes, many will come together into active WN groups to unite and organize the White masses - just like our forefathers always did in the past.

Of course however, we'll lose the net-warrior hobbyists and "intellectual" apologists for the jews, but hey that'll be a plus for us and a minus for the jews since they're all assessories to the GD kikes, anyway.

Bring on the jew internet censors

[OVERWATCH]

against White Nationalist Germany.

:rofl:

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/8818/2003pd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Worth reiterating:

What was "white nationalist Germany"? There was a glorious National Socialist Germany though. WHite nationalism is an artifical patchwork "thing" made up by Americans.

P.S.

Marrying even a Pole was punishable by a summer or ten in lovely Buchenwald, how would your marriage to your Polynesian wife have been judged?

Look up Volks-Verräter for the answer.

True, against the 'GD Jew' doesn't equal 'White Nationalism'.

[OVERWATCH]

C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

True, informant is actually a poor and ill fitting word.

I prefer instead, "star witness for the persecution"

[il ragno]

Originally Posted by Anima Eternae
C'mon guys, I think ol' Glenn is a bit dim, too...but the whole informant thing is really overdone. There are a hundred fresher things for which one can mock him...

The fact that he ratted on his "comrades" is more despicable then anything else( and there is much else to despise).

Apropos of nothing, I get a kick out of 25-year-olds who fume indignantly about 'ratting'. Weikel, if two gorillas dragged you into a quiet room in some deserted warehouse, tied you to a chair, yanked your draws down and brandished a soldering gun - before they could even locate an AC outlet, you would be screaming out names from the phone book, if necessary...whether you "knew anything" or not. As would Anima, Draco, Fade, etc, etc - in fact, 99% of us here.

And the same holds true for a 20-year prison term.

Don't misunderstand - I think "paid informant" is pretty much the only explanation for how a radioactive ex-con like Miller gets to fund anything, let alone VNN, but I have to laugh at the hair-gel commandos over here snorting their contempt at the "informant". Imagine wannabe make-out man Animal Enema threatened with permanent facial disfigurement.....whoops, there go all the honeys he'll never be getting - now. "Uhh...where do I sign this confession again..?"

Weikel's another one who throws around "despicable" but, shit, all you'd have to do is threaten to slice off his thumbs and out would come whatever names, dates and places he knew of an a bunch he'd made up right then and there.

It turns out that the only msg boad personality who has actually earned the right to shit on TGM is, in the end, Mad Dog Marty Lindstedt. Who doesn't even have any info to spill, nor is he being asked to....nigger screws are torturing him simply for fun, trapped as he is in a legal limbo where not even an ACLU lawyer can see him long enough to lodge a protest to get them to stop. Who wants to duplicate the Lucky Lindstedt Lockdown experience?? Gee...don't all answer at once, fellas.

I'm all for goofing on Glenn Miller, the Hee Haw Hitler, but there's something a little offensive about twentysomething weenies, who are 20-1 longshots to get through a back-room interrogation with the same smirk they wore going in, comparing what Miller did to what they would surely never have done no matter how bad it got. My ass, they wouldn't.

[Glenn Miller]

Sorry. I forgot for a second there that you were on the side of the federal government.



Very true.



There was no White Nationalist Germany.



Yes.



You went on television and told tens of thousands of people that you want innocent people to die.



You came across as an old fashioned bigot driven by hatred of nonwhites.



I don't have any nonwhite children.

Not only are you a blatantly obvious accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the jewish enslavement and genocide of the White Race as proven by your constant jew-apologizings and by your stated hatreds for the enemies of Israel and the ZOGs, you've also become a kike-alike-komedian who makes pithy, evasive responses to postings that expose you effectively.

BTW, I am in fact, "an old fashioned bigot driven by hatred of nonwhites." And GD proud of it. They more than deserve my hatreds. And if you had an iota of manhood in you, you'd possess some "old fashioned bigoted hatred" too.

Oh, how I love whippin on your jew-loving, race-traitor, computer-bound, pompous, do-nothing-contribute-nothing, yellow ass.

[Starr]

If and when they ban WN websites and forums, TAA will still be printed and distributed, A.A. And our contributors and distributors will be so pissed about jewish internet censorship, they'll work even harder and sacrifice even more for TAA. Freed from their computer stools and anonymous talking-the-enemy-to-death jibberishes, many will come together into active WN groups to unite and organize the White masses - just like our forefathers always did in the past.

Of course however, we'll lose the net-warrior hobbyists and "intellectual" apologists for the jews, but hey that'll be a plus for us and a minus for the jews since they're all assessories to the GD kikes, anyway.

Bring on the jew internet censors

Yeah, well, you would be loosing a huge potential audience. The type of people who may agree with some WN views but only feel comfortable, at first, with the anonymity the internet provides. The same people who might be more willing after they gain a little more knowledge and courage to actually take up a bit more of an actual activist role.

And please explain exactly what you define as "apologist for the Jews"
Someone who may have more sense that to scream 24/7 about the jews and nothing but the jews, and how every single problem we face is because of the great jew?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Fagno;

Every man has a breaking point, and for most of us here that breaking point is easier to reach than we would like to believe, this much is true.

Still, a man with even the vaguest sense of decency would NOT go around pretending to be the Great White Hope. Even if you only rat out on your friends out of self preservation, chances are you'll be overwhelmed with shame for the rest of your life. The fact that GM is doing what he does today tells me he's probably still in cahoots with authorities, and that he definately knows no shame whatsoever.

[Keystone]

I'm all for goofing on Glenn Miller, the Hee Haw Hitler, but there's something a little offensive about twentysomething weenies, who are 20-1 longshots to get through a back-room interrogation with the same smirk they wore going in, comparing what Miller did to what they would surely never have done no matter how bad it got. My ass, they wouldn't.
I find it a little ruff-ruffian myself, but it was between Miller and some bankrobbers. Who cares?

What I find hilarious is a guy condemning "race-mixers" who dipped the wick with an Asian and fathered a "mongrel", as he would say.

Just can't quite get past that lil detail. I just can't.

[Anchorage Activist]

If and when they ban WN websites and forums, TAA will still be printed and distributed, A.A. And our contributors and distributors will be so pissed about jewish internet censorship, they'll work even harder and sacrifice even more for TAA. Freed from their computer stools and anonymous talking-the-enemy-to-death jibberishes, many will come together into active WN groups to unite and organize the White masses - just like our forefathers always did in the past.

Of course however, we'll lose the net-warrior hobbyists and "intellectual" apologists for the jews, but hey that'll be a plus for us and a minus for the jews since they're all assessories to the GD kikes, anyway.

Bring on the jew internet censors

What I don't understand are the people, mostly those who've been banned from VNN and whose objectivity may have been tainted as a result, who criticize you for a "lowbrow" approach.

The white community consists of both "highbrow" and "lowbrow" people. Highbrow people may readily relate to the more highbrow approach taken by Kevin McDonald in his Culture of Critique. However, a teenage white girl in one of our multi-culti cesspit public schools who's constantly dogged by niggers is not going to be helped by Culture of Critique. At that point, she needs something like TAA to reach down into her very soul, light a fire, and give her the backbone to stand up to her tormentors. Written in tabloid style, it cuts straight to the chase, calling a spade a nigger and naming the Jew. As you and the WPP proved during your marches in North Carolina, the only thing niggers respect is strength.

There is room for both the Glenn Millers and the Kevin McDonalds within our movement. We just need to make sure which one is the best to use at a given time and in a given situation.

[Fade the Butcher]

Not only are you a blatantly obvious accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the jewish enslavement and genocide of the White Race as proven by your constant jew-apologizings and by your stated hatreds for the enemies of Israel and the ZOGs, you've also become a kike-alike-komedian who makes pithy, evasive responses to postings that expose you effectively.

LOL

BTW, I am in fact, "an old fashioned bigot driven by hatred of nonwhites." And GD proud of it.

That is precisely why your rants shouldn't be on anyone's television, radio station, or doorstep. The last thing we need is white racialism being associated in the public mind with fruit loops like you.

They more than deserve my hatreds.

You don't seem to be grasping concepts like rationality or audience here.

And if you had an iota of manhood in you, you'd possess some "old fashioned bigoted hatred" too.

My philosophy is based upon reason, not knee jerk emotions.

Oh, how I love whippin on your jew-loving, race-traitor, computer-bound, pompous, do-nothing-contribute-nothing, yellow ass.

You are always mounting your high horse and riding over here to tell us that we should be doing something (read: sending your money). Here is an idea for you. Why don't you impress us by "doing something" like taking a course in elementary public relations.

[Glenn Miller]

Apropos of nothing, I get a kick out of 25-year-olds who fume indignantly about 'ratting'. Weikel, if two gorillas dragged you into a quiet room in some deserted warehouse, tied you to a chair, yanked your draws down and brandished a soldering gun - before they could even locate an AC outlet, you would be screaming out names from the phone book, if necessary...whether you "knew anything" or not. As would Anima, Draco, Fade, etc, etc - in fact, 99% of us here.

And the same holds true for a 20-year prison term.

Don't misunderstand - I think "paid informant" is pretty much the only explanation for how a radioactive ex-con like Miller gets to fund anything, let alone VNN, but I have to laugh at the hair-gel commandos over here snorting their contempt at the "informant". Imagine wannabe make-out man Animal Enema threatened with permanent facial disfigurement.....whoops, there go all the honeys he'll never be getting - now. "Uhh...where do I sign this confession again..?"

Weikel's another one who throws around "despicable" but, shit, all you'd have to do is threaten to slice off his thumbs and out would come whatever names, dates and places he knew of an a bunch he'd made up right then and there.

It turns out that the only msg boad personality who has actually earned the right to shit on TGM is, in the end, Mad Dog Marty Lindstedt. Who doesn't even have any info to spill, nor is he being asked to....nigger screws are torturing him simply for fun, trapped as he is in a legal limbo where not even an ACLU lawyer can see him long enough to lodge a protest to get them to stop. Who wants to duplicate the Lucky Lindstedt Lockdown experience?? Gee...don't all answer at once, fellas.

I'm all for goofing on Glenn Miller, the Hee Haw Hitler, but there's something a little offensive about twentysomething weenies, who are 20-1 longshots to get through a back-room interrogation with the same smirk they wore going in, comparing what Miller did to what they would surely never have done no matter how bad it got. My ass, they wouldn't.

I'll respond to your "Glenn Miller funding VNN" implication. The myth that I fund VNN is widespread, I know. Though nobody mentions just what it is that I fund. Fact is, the only VNN monies I am involved with are related to VNN's newspaper. What else needs funding ?? The two websites ?? Alex handles that on his own and without divulging his contributors. But I don't think the expenses exceed $1,000.00 per month, if that.

As for The TAA Fund, I post every cent taken in and every cent spent on expenses, on VNN forum. Along with the date, amount, and screen names of contributors. And the total amount spent on postage and other related expenses. Then a full accounting plus all receipts are mailed to Alex for his verification and permanent files.

It's a 100 percent, fool-proof financial accounting and disclosure system, and one that every VNN'er can verify and keep daily track of. Far as I know, no other WN group or newspaper in the world, does this.

And so since you've expressed a suspicion regarding VNN/TAA Funding, would you kindly explain your basis for it ?? I'll appreciate your close scrutiny/questions.

[shanemac]

Fagno;

Every man has a breaking point, and for most of us here that breaking point is easier to reach than we would like to believe, this much is true.

Still, a man with even the vaguest sense of decency would NOT go around pretending to be the Great White Hope. Even if you only rat out on your friends out of self preservation, chances are you'll be overwhelmed with shame for the rest of your life. The fact that GM is doing what he does today tells me he's probably still in cahoots with authorities, and that he definately knows no shame whatsoever.

I understand you point, but what would you have Miller do? ... Sit in his Jason-recliner with the TV remote in his hand watching re-runs of "Hogan's Heroes" for the rest of his life?

The guy made some big mistakes in the past, but who hasn't? At least he is trying to make amends for those mistakes. I also disagree with Miller's approach in interviews... I have never bought into the "our only enemy is the jew" line (and I've been criticised roundly for it).

But I respect Miller for having the energy and determination to stand up there and get his message out, while others hide in their bedrooms.

[Glenn Miller]

LOL



That is precisely why your rants shouldn't be on anyone's television, radio station, or doorstep. The last thing we need is white racialism being associated in the public mind with fruit loops like you.



ROUNDER: One man's rants, is another man's justifiable outrage. What's this "we" shit ?? Your "we" are little more than jew-apologists therefore traitors. So you're right, your "we's" don't want Glenn Millers.



You don't seem to be grasping concepts like rationality or audience here.


ROUNDER: Give me a little time. If there's White manhood here, I'll bring them to VNN.



My philosophy is based upon reason, not knee jerk emotions.



ROUNDER: REASON !!!??? REASON !!!??? The GD kikes have murdered 200 million of us in the 20th century alone. Tens-of-millions of White men, women and children have been brutally assaulted by niggers. Tens-of-millions of mongrel aliens have invaded our country, with more tens-of-millions on the way. Our government exports millions of our jobs to mongrel countries, while giving amnesty to millions who illegally come here. They've murdered over 30 million White infants, and replaced them with 40-50 million mongrel aliens. They robbed us of trillions and given it to Israel, and now they're spending trillions more to protect your GD jew friends, and to protect international jewish criminals, while our sons and daughters die or are crippled fighting for the GD kikes. AND YOU DARE SPEAK TO US OF REASON, you pimple faced, yellow punk you.



You are always mounting your high horse and riding over here to tell us that we should be doing something (read: sending your money). Here is an idea for you. Why don't you impress us by "doing something" like taking a course in elementary public relations.



ROUNDER: Public Relations ??? What you really mean is "go easy on the jews" - lie - deceive - confuse, so as not to risk offending the jews.

NEVER !!! Sieg Heil !!!

[Intrepid]

What I don't understand are the people, mostly those who've been banned from VNN and whose objectivity may have been tainted as a result, who criticize you for a "lowbrow" approach.

If Miller wasn't human flotsam, I'd agree with you. Problem is, he personifies all that it negative about "racists". D. Duke isn't prying for the "high brow" crowd, either. However, you don't see him berating everyone and everything in sight like the hollywood personification of a hillbilly devil. If you aren't repulsed by bilge emanating from this sick creature, I feel sorry for you. I truly do.

Another thing for you, as you've brought up Miller's last pouting session: do you not find it ironic for Miller being able to pontificate his insults here against the owner of the board, as well as others, whom he had banned at VNNF? I don't take particular care to not offend forum owners, but I find this trashy - at best. Kind of letting a bum get a drink from your hose on the side of the house, then much to your chagrin, he leaves yesterday's lunch - albeit in a very different state then when it went in - by the faucet's spigot.

[Keystone]

The guy made some big mistakes in the past, but who hasn't? At least he is trying to make amends for those mistakes. I also disagree with Miller's approach in interviews... I have never bought into the "our only enemy is the jew" line (and I've been criticised roundly for it).
He's the loudest, emptiest barrel on almost every racist position, so he should get more scrutiny. You can't take the half Asian child back. I've seen him type furiously about race-mixers........pot, kettle, black. That makes him a hypocrite, by defintion.

[OVERWATCH]

Apropos of nothing, I get a kick out of 25-year-olds who fume indignantly about 'ratting'. Weikel, if two gorillas dragged you into a quiet room in some deserted warehouse, tied you to a chair, yanked your draws down and brandished a soldering gun - before they could even locate an AC outlet, you would be screaming out names from the phone book, if necessary...whether you "knew anything" or not. As would Anima, Draco, Fade, etc, etc - in fact, 99% of us here.

And the same holds true for a 20-year prison term.

Don't misunderstand - I think "paid informant" is pretty much the only explanation for how a radioactive ex-con like Miller gets to fund anything, let alone VNN, but I have to laugh at the hair-gel commandos over here snorting their contempt at the "informant". Imagine wannabe make-out man Animal Enema threatened with permanent facial disfigurement.....whoops, there go all the honeys he'll never be getting - now. "Uhh...where do I sign this confession again..?"

Weikel's another one who throws around "despicable" but, shit, all you'd have to do is threaten to slice off his thumbs and out would come whatever names, dates and places he knew of an a bunch he'd made up right then and there.

It turns out that the only msg boad personality who has actually earned the right to shit on TGM is, in the end, Mad Dog Marty Lindstedt. Who doesn't even have any info to spill, nor is he being asked to....nigger screws are torturing him simply for fun, trapped as he is in a legal limbo where not even an ACLU lawyer can see him long enough to lodge a protest to get them to stop. Who wants to duplicate the Lucky Lindstedt Lockdown experience?? Gee...don't all answer at once, fellas.

I'm all for goofing on Glenn Miller, the Hee Haw Hitler, but there's something a little offensive about twentysomething weenies, who are 20-1 longshots to get through a back-room interrogation with the same smirk they wore going in, comparing what Miller did to what they would surely never have done no matter how bad it got. My ass, they wouldn't.

Eh, ill fagno, I won't elaborate too much in depth here, but at one time I was in a legal situation where I was facing some serious charges, and was given the choice of 'co-operating', or going down with a felony on my record but worse yet a fair bit of time locked up with Team Brown.

Lucky for me, and a few thousand $ for a real lawyer(not a public pretender) I managed to get it all dropped by the Grand Jury, without becoming a snitch(known or unknown) forever living the life of a social pariah; but then again, I didn't get involved in something over my head, like Miller.

So Miller goofed and thought he had "friends", I can understand that; in the big bad world of chest-jutting gang nutionalists, I've seen how people get co-opted into "partnership" using strongarm tactics of dubious honour or outright dishonour.

But- when one makes choices, they have to learn to live with them, the good choices are all hunky-dory, but the mistakes it seems, everyone wants to makes excuses, ad nauseam, for.

Just DEAL with it, I say.

[shanemac]

He's the loudest, emptiest barrel on almost every racist position, so he should get more scrutiny. You can't take the half Asian child back. I've seen him type furiously about race-mixers........pot, kettle, black. That makes him a hypocrite, by defintion.

For 60 years the general population has been fed propaganda about the races being equal and so on. So now, probably 90% of the general population believe that, and act accordingly (including inter-racial relationships, etc).

Our stated mission as white nationalists is to convince the general population that they have been lied to, and that racial separation is better than multicultualism and integration.

This means that if we ever gain power, we will have to welcome into the fold that huge majority of the population who have lived their lives as if race means nothing. This means we will have to forgive and forget a lot of things that people did in their past while they were still brainwashed lemmings.

If we cannot forgive and forget past transgressions, the vast majority of people will never go along with WNism, and we will cosign the white movement to angry messages on message boards forever.

[Keystone]

For 60 years the general population has been fed propaganda about the races being equal and so on. So now, probably 90% of the general population believe that, and act accordingly (including inter-racial relationships, etc).

Our stated mission as white nationalists is to convince the general population that they have been lied to, and that racial separation is better than multicultualism and integration.

This means that if we ever gain power, we will have to welcome into the fold that huge majority of the population who have lived their lives as if race means nothing. This means we will have to forgive and forget a lot of things that people did in their past while they were still brainwashed lemmings.

If we cannot forgive and forget past transgressions, the vast majority of people will never go along with WNism, and we will cosign the white movement to angry messages on message boards forever.
jozu----

I can see you saying this being a sensible person, but not Miller. You haven't read his stuff on VNNF? No way!

[il ragno]

...at one time I was in a legal situation where I was facing some serious charges, and was given the choice of 'co-operating', or going down with a felony on my record but worse yet a fair bit of time locked up with Team Brown.

Lucky for me, and a few thousand $ for a real lawyer(not a public pretender) I managed to get it all dropped by the Grand Jury, without becoming a snitch(known or unknown) forever living the life of a social pariah; but then again, I didn't get involved in something over my head, like Miller.

In other words, you made your one phone call to mom and dad, and they hired the lawyer.

Not that I'm disparaging you, because that's what most people would do....had they that kind of last-resort support system. But not everyone does.

I'm also assuming you got pinched for something moderate, like b&e or running over a baby stroller while driving drunk. But these are Patriot Act Days we live in now. If and when the powers that be decide that angry white websites qualify as full-blown domestic-terrorist recruitment centers, we might all get swept up one night and held without charge, bail or the right to see a lawyer. So don't be too quick to draw Judas horns on ol' Glenn.

Hell, if it were me, it would never have gotten as far as cops and feds. Lane and Scuteri drop off $200,000 of circa-1978 US currency in my lap? I'd have lit out with the money, and anonymous-called in a tip to the feds to boot. There aren't too many bank-robbing desparadoes you can rip off with total impunity; you've got to maximize the few opportunities you get if you're lucky enough to get them.

[Glenn Miller]

Eh, ill fagno, I won't elaborate too much in depth here, but at one time I was in a legal situation where I was facing some serious charges, and was given the choice of 'co-operating', or going down with a felony on my record but worse yet a fair bit of time locked up with Team Brown.

Lucky for me, and a few thousand $ for a real lawyer(not a public pretender) I managed to get it all dropped by the Grand Jury, without becoming a snitch(known or unknown) forever living the life of a social pariah; but then again, I didn't get involved in something over my head, like Miller.

So Miller goofed and thought he had "friends", I can understand that; in the big bad world of chest-jutting gang nutionalists, I've seen how people get co-opted into "partnership" using strongarm tactics of dubious honour or outright dishonour.

But- when one makes choices, they have to learn to live with them, the good choices are all hunky-dory, but the mistakes it seems, everyone wants to makes excuses, ad nauseam, for.

Just DEAL with it, I say.

13 of your associates rat on you, guaranteeing you life in prison. 12 Order members and their 2nd in command Bruce Carroll Pierce. Another Order member David Lane, whom you helped hide out from the feds for two months when he was on the run for murdering a big jew, also tries to make a deal with the feds.

Those were the shoes in which I walked in summer of 1985, while leading the largest active WN group on the continent. That complete story is detailed on my website, www.whitepatriotparty.com, in the article: "My Side of the Story", which obviously you haven't even read.

Now tell this board what you'd have done in my summer 1985 shoes. (I owed no loyalty to The Order, afterwards. Would you??)

[Glenn Miller]

For 60 years the general population has been fed propaganda about the races being equal and so on. So now, probably 90% of the general population believe that, and act accordingly (including inter-racial relationships, etc).

Our stated mission as white nationalists is to convince the general population that they have been lied to, and that racial separation is better than multicultualism and integration.

This means that if we ever gain power, we will have to welcome into the fold that huge majority of the population who have lived their lives as if race means nothing. This means we will have to forgive and forget a lot of things that people did in their past while they were still brainwashed lemmings.

If we cannot forgive and forget past transgressions, the vast majority of people will never go along with WNism, and we will cosign the white movement to angry messages on message boards forever.

Well said. And that includes the many millions of White servicemen who slept with non-white women while stationed overseas where White women were scarce as chicken lips. Like me for example, back 4 decades ago.

[Starr]

Jozu, why not recollect your thoughts and post them here?

[Draco]

If and when they ban WN websites and forums, TAA will still be printed and distributed, A.A. And our contributors and distributors will be so pissed about jewish internet censorship, they'll work even harder and sacrifice even more for TAA. Freed from their computer stools and anonymous talking-the-enemy-to-death jibberishes, many will come together into active WN groups to unite and organize the White masses - just like our forefathers always did in the past.

You do realize that without the Internet there is no "white nationalism" dont you? Does the "White Freedom Party" exist as anything besides a thread on VNN?

Didn't think so.

P.S.

How is the WFP? Don't tell me it was abandoned like your "thousands strong" rally of July '05?

[Meursault]

I'd have to say that this recent television appearance was (IMHO) his most blatantly anti-semitic one yet. It obviously caused the jews to throw quite a shitfit.

Yeah, I bet ZOG is shitting it now Traitor Glenn is on to them. If he can just concentrate on not impregnating Polynesians for long enough, he may do some damage.

I get negative comments everywhere I go, and have for 32 freakin years.

I'm thinking of putting that in my sig.

Now go back to your jew-written college "history" books.

See people, this man knows his stuff. Books are the tool of ZOG, don't read them! Only read VNN. That's where the real knowledge is.

[IZVN]

You do realize that without the Internet there is no "white nationalism" dont you? Does the "White Freedom Party" exist as anything besides a thread on VNN?

Didn't think so.

P.S.

How is the WFP? Don't tell me it was abandoned like your "thousands strong" rally of July '05?


You fail to realize the strong "white" nationalist feeling among many whites in the south. All we need is to be organized or have an "event" take place in which we are brought together for the struggle.

[Draco]

You fail to realize the strong "white" nationalist feeling among many whites in the south. All we need is to be organized or have an "event" take place in which we are brought together for the struggle.


You tried that once, remember?

By the way, VNN's strongly anti-Christian stance would not be appreciated in the South.

[IZVN]

You tried that once, remember?

By the way, VNN's strongly anti-Christian stance would not be appreciated in the South.

VNN is a news outlet, not a militia. VNN's purpose is to educate whites as to what is going on in the world and how it impacts them. It does that job extremely well.

It is funny that you mention the anti-Christian stance. Believe it or not many people in the south could care less about religion. I remember when I was younger it was a big deal but it has taken a back seat now to alot of things. Yeah people go to church but once they are out they think no more of it. I can think of at least 5 atheists I work with (I work at a pizza place so there are only about 20 employees). That makes about 1/4 of my coworkers nonbelievers. I say nigger and every other racist slur you can think of at my job and I have had not one person question me on it. I pass out VNN newspapers to my coworkers at work. Alot of them asked me why the newspaper attacked Jews but applauded the attacks on blacks and mexicans. Its not that people dont realize what is going on around them with the issue of race, its the fact that they are just too damned lazy to get up and do anything about it because at the end of the day they can go home to their houses and isolate themselves from it. The potential is there, they just need a leader.

[Thomas777]

Apropos of nothing, I get a kick out of 25-year-olds who fume indignantly about 'ratting'. Weikel, if two gorillas dragged you into a quiet room in some deserted warehouse, tied you to a chair, yanked your draws down and brandished a soldering gun - before they could even locate an AC outlet, you would be screaming out names from the phone book, if necessary...whether you "knew anything" or not. As would Anima, Draco, Fade, etc, etc - in fact, 99% of us here.

And the same holds true for a 20-year prison term.

Don't misunderstand - I think "paid informant" is pretty much the only explanation for how a radioactive ex-con like Miller gets to fund anything, let alone VNN, but I have to laugh at the hair-gel commandos over here snorting their contempt at the "informant". Imagine wannabe make-out man Animal Enema threatened with permanent facial disfigurement.....whoops, there go all the honeys he'll never be getting - now. "Uhh...where do I sign this confession again..?"

Weikel's another one who throws around "despicable" but, shit, all you'd have to do is threaten to slice off his thumbs and out would come whatever names, dates and places he knew of an a bunch he'd made up right then and there.

It turns out that the only msg boad personality who has actually earned the right to shit on TGM is, in the end, Mad Dog Marty Lindstedt. Who doesn't even have any info to spill, nor is he being asked to....nigger screws are torturing him simply for fun, trapped as he is in a legal limbo where not even an ACLU lawyer can see him long enough to lodge a protest to get them to stop. Who wants to duplicate the Lucky Lindstedt Lockdown experience?? Gee...don't all answer at once, fellas.

I'm all for goofing on Glenn Miller, the Hee Haw Hitler, but there's something a little offensive about twentysomething weenies, who are 20-1 longshots to get through a back-room interrogation with the same smirk they wore going in, comparing what Miller did to what they would surely never have done no matter how bad it got. My ass, they wouldn't.

OK Ragno, I'll bite...and this is the last I'll say of Glenn Miller:

Glenn Miller is a guy who served to tours in Vietnam...I don't think anybody (including myself) is calling him a pussy...but the fact is he's a cynic and a phony who only cares about his own ass.

Miller was not some poor guy with a lot to lose who got jammed up for no reason by FedGov and got broken under interrogation. What he was/is is a guy who literally said: "I am raising a populist Army and I am marching these men against ZOG...I am ready to fight and die to lead these men, so who is with me?"

After taking a bag drop from the Order, he proceeded to catch heat and suddenly he is backpedaling and playing ball with the heat to save his nuts. Am I completely fucked in the head Ragno or is that just a bit disingenuous? Miller chose a warpath that he was not prepared to see through to the end...because at the end of the day Glenn Miller was just a guy who wanted to get some fleeting notoreity and feel important after he fucked his life off after about 1967.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I understand you point, but what would you have Miller do? ... Sit in his Jason-recliner with the TV remote in his hand watching re-runs of "Hogan's Heroes" for the rest of his life?

The guy made some big mistakes in the past, but who hasn't? At least he is trying to make amends for those mistakes. I also disagree with Miller's approach in interviews... I have never bought into the "our only enemy is the jew" line (and I've been criticised roundly for it).

But I respect Miller for having the energy and determination to stand up there and get his message out, while others hide in their bedrooms.

I never said withdrawing from your previous activities after ratting out comrades to preserve yourself (something wich many of us might do to avoid sharing a cell with Tyrone if we were in the USA) would lead to a full and meaningful life. Sometimes, you're screwed basically. Making sure you can still look in the mirror without thinking 'hypocrit' does not always include a happy ending I'm afraid.

[il ragno]

After taking a bag drop from the Order, he proceeded to catch heat and suddenly he is backpedaling and playing ball with the heat to save his nuts. Am I completely fucked in the head Ragno or is that just a bit disingenuous?

Maybe you're misreading my emphasis, Thomas.

I don't consider Miller any kind of 'white leader' and I have no problem with people who say he can't be trusted now because he turned govt informant then. OK, fine. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results, but often it is.

My problem is with people who've never faced a crisis greater than a hangnail or a D on their transcript harping on and on and about his 'despicable' 'cowardice' in turning informant. To hear Weikel, who signs on twice a day to demand that "we" hurry up and kill every Arab on Earth right this second - "we" meaning not him, but everybody else his age (since it's the young who fight and die in war) - then turn around and sneer at Glenn Miller's lack of honor and testes is pretty ludicrous. And it's not just Weikel. It's a lot of 20somethings around here who insist that they would never ever turn quisling under any circumstances whatsoever because of their rock-ribbed, inviolate sense of honor. Bullshit. People who've never themselves been tested have no business grading somebody else's paper, y'know what I mean?

Now - if they'd said hey, you caved in once, you're likely to cave in again - fine. If they said regardless of who betrayed who, you're a buffoon who sets white people back 20 years every time you open your mouth - cool. If they wondered aloud how a felon who cut a deal for his freedom manages to run around stirring up the exact same type of shit that put you on Uncle Shemp's hit list the last time without volating the terms of your deal with him - my own take on the matter - obviously a valid point. But to swagger like a Mafia don harumphing about gutless little squealer pussies...you're gonna have to show me your balls before you get to laugh at anybody else for their lack of same. 20 years is no fucking joke, particularly for being an unwitting accessory after the fact. Let me see Draco or Anima do 20 standing on their head and then they can talk.

Not that I dislike these guys - just the opposite. But there are so many valid, worthwhile reasons to dismiss TGM, it irritates me to see these guys take the cheap-shot shortcut so regularly.

[Petr]

My problem is with people who've never faced a crisis greater than a hangnail or a D on their transcript harping on and on and about his 'despicable' 'cowardice' in turning informant. To hear Weikel, who signs on twice a day to demand that "we" hurry up and kill every Arab on Earth right this second - "we" meaning not him, but everybody else his age (since it's the young who fight and die in war) - then turn around and sneer at Glenn Miller's lack of honor and testes is pretty ludicrous.
You got a point here. Weikel is a chickenhawk.


Petr

[Glenn Miller]

VNN is a news outlet, not a militia. VNN's purpose is to educate whites as to what is going on in the world and how it impacts them. It does that job extremely well.

It is funny that you mention the anti-Christian stance. Believe it or not many people in the south could care less about religion. I remember when I was younger it was a big deal but it has taken a back seat now to alot of things. Yeah people go to church but once they are out they think no more of it. I can think of at least 5 atheists I work with (I work at a pizza place so there are only about 20 employees). That makes about 1/4 of my coworkers nonbelievers. I say nigger and every other racist slur you can think of at my job and I have had not one person question me on it. I pass out VNN newspapers to my coworkers at work. Alot of them asked me why the newspaper attacked Jews but applauded the attacks on blacks and mexicans. Its not that people dont realize what is going on around them with the issue of race, its the fact that they are just too damned lazy to get up and do anything about it because at the end of the day they can go home to their houses and isolate themselves from it. The potential is there, they just need a leader.

You're absolutely right, Zeal. A few capable leaders with guts can unite and organize millions of White southerners. And it's far easier now than during the 80's. We lack strong, young, jew-wise capable leaders. Which is by far, our biggest problem in bringing White people together. God, what I wouldn't give to be 40 again.

BTW, that Kansas City kike TV reporter, Dan Weinbaum, is bragging on TV that VNN was kicked off the internet. Google "News", then "Aryan Alternative", and see article entitled: "Company Boots White Supremacist Group Offline." Obviously, after my televised interview last Sunday, he teamed up with that ADL bitch and succeeded in convincing VNN's host server to cancel service.

[Fade the Butcher]

Your literature distribution was such a success here in Durham.

[Glenn Miller]

Your literature distribution was such a success here in Durham.

Well yes, yes it was. And thanks for conceding. Only 200 copies resulted in two system newspaper reports, and my very lengthy, uncensored, letter-to-the-editor was published in Durham's largest newspaper. Which btw, included my phone number, resulting in a dozen or more phone calls, 3 generous financial contributions to TAA Fund, and one young White man ordered (and paid for) 300 TAAs, which he subsequently distributed to 300 White Durham families.

What have you done in Durham, in comparison ??

[Martin Kuklinski]

What have you done in Durham, in comparison ??He maked a girl pregnant.

Anyway welcome aboard GM, you can't ask me to order and distro TAA's as i live in Europe. Mainly because of the race-laws. Please dont call me a do-nothing-contributor for that.:(

[Glenn Miller]

He maked a girl pregnant.

Anyway welcome aboard GM, you can't ask me to order and distro TAA's as i live in Europe. Mainly because of the race-laws. Please dont call me a do-nothing-contributor for that.:(

Thanks for the welcome, Martin. But actually, I made my blue-eyed, Aryan wife pregnant 5 times, producing 3 he-uns, and 2 she'uns. (Then there was that "woods colt" of 4 decades ago that pains me to talk about).

BTW, I graciously accept donations from European contributors. (hint hint).

[il ragno]

(Then there was that "woods colt" of 4 decades ago that pains me to talk about).

Hurry, hurry! Send your money to a man who publicly shits on his own child! Surely you can depend on his loyalty.

Form an orderly line, please, and no pushing from the back.

[Ahknaton]

Thanks for the welcome, Martin. But actually, I made my blue-eyed, Aryan wife pregnant 5 times, producing 3 he-uns, and 2 she'uns. (Then there was that "woods colt" of 4 decades ago that pains me to talk about).

BTW, I graciously accept donations from European contributors. (hint hint).
Don't be hatin', yo!

[Fade the Butcher]

What have you done in Durham, in comparison ??

I have made a lot of contacts here at the university and regularly host an after hours race relations discussion group at my home. In other words, I provide a venue for some of the brightest minds in America to come together to discuss the taboo subject of racial differences and the relevance this has to social policy. These people will go on to have successful careers in all sorts of fields, especially government and academia, where they will be invaluable positions of influence for us. I met my fiancee in such a meeting last fall.

The scene you made here in Durham did quite a lot to help the ADL and SPLC associate racialism with retarded hate addled white supremacy; the sort of people who crawl out from under their trailers to litter your yards in the middle of the night with dire warnings about the Jews under your bed. I remember reading about it when it happened and had almost totally forgotten about you at the time. I won't deny that you will turn over a few rocks on occasion when you go out dredging the muck, as can be seen in the dysfunctional characters who populate your forum like Todd in FL, HoaxThis, and "I Farted In Your Mouth." That you turn off far more people who might otherwise be amenable to racialism than you turn on is of little concern to you. This can easily be seen in your tactics. In the end, all that matters to you is enriching yourself and spreading cat's paw propaganda for the government you sold out to.

[Fade the Butcher]

But actually, I made my blue-eyed, Aryan wife pregnant 5 times, producing 3 he-uns, and 2 she'uns.

See Richard Lynn's Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0275949176/002-3869299-5583246?v=glance&n=283155).

[Anchorage Activist]

I have made a lot of contacts here at the university and regularly host an after hours race relations discussion group at my home. In other words, I provide a venue for some of the brightest minds in America to come together to discuss the taboo subject of racial differences and the relevance this has to social policy. These people will go on to have successful careers in all sorts of fields, especially government and academia, where they will be invaluable positions of influence for us. I met my fiancee in such a meeting last fall.

Your approach is quite useful; you are attempting to reach out to the intellectual elite who undoubtedly will occupy positions of influence in the future. I subscribed to American Renaissance for three years and I can personally vouch for its much more highbrow, refined syntax.

The flip side is that American Renaissance is written in a style that would put half the country to sleep. I speak of the large number of blue collar whites who have the attention span of a flea and who mindlessly jump from one sitcom to another in a vain attempt to seek direction for their lives. These are the type of people who paint their faces on Sunday in support of their favorite squad of gladiators knocking each other senseless on the gridiron.

Glenn Miller is not trying to reach your core constituency. He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR. And it's working. Since Katrina, VNN's membership has swelled from 4100 to 4900.

The war on behalf of our race must be waged on multiple fronts using multiple tactics. I suggest that both your approach and Glenn Miller's approach are equally necessary.

[Kodos]

He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR.

I think Archie Bunker would be repulsed by VNN.

[Anchorage Activist]

He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR.

I think Archie Bunker would be repulsed by VNN.

Disagree. I remember the All In The Family sitcoms, and Archie used much of the same syntax and expressed many of the same concepts.

[Intrepid]

Disagree. I remember the All In The Family sitcoms, and Archie used much of the same syntax and expressed many of the same concepts.

Ahh, and the script came from Norman Lear. :rofl:

[IZVN]

He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR.

I think Archie Bunker would be repulsed by VNN.

Archie Bunker was your average guy and if you haven't realized it yet your average guy IS A FUCKING IDIOT engaging in pseudo-nigger worship through sports.

[Kodos]

Disagree. I remember the All In The Family sitcoms, and Archie used much of the same syntax and expressed many of the same concepts.

Archie wasn't screaming for the extermination of anybody, nor was he denouncing the United States or christianity. His main concern race wise was keeping "them people" out of his neighborhood.

[Glenn Miller]

Your approach is quite useful; you are attempting to reach out to the intellectual elite who undoubtedly will occupy positions of influence in the future. I subscribed to American Renaissance for three years and I can personally vouch for its much more highbrow, refined syntax.

The flip side is that American Renaissance is written in a style that would put half the country to sleep. I speak of the large number of blue collar whites who have the attention span of a flea and who mindlessly jump from one sitcom to another in a vain attempt to seek direction for their lives. These are the type of people who paint their faces on Sunday in support of their favorite squad of gladiators knocking each other senseless on the gridiron.

Glenn Miller is not trying to reach your core constituency. He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR. And it's working. Since Katrina, VNN's membership has swelled from 4100 to 4900.

The war on behalf of our race must be waged on multiple fronts using multiple tactics. I suggest that both your approach and Glenn Miller's approach are equally necessary.

A.A., if you believe Fade holds racist meetings in niggertown, U.S.A. (Durham, NC), I can sell you some of my Missouri ocean front property on the internet. It's just another of his convenient lies, impossible to disprove.

He's a kosher-konservative at best. Useless to our Cause and counter-productive to our efforts to EXPOSE THE JEWS.

The only reason I'm here is to recruit a few supporters for TAA. And I'd better find some soon, or I'm outa here. (BTW, I succeeded last time I phora-slummed).

[Kodos]

Useless to our Cause and counter-productive to our efforts to EXPOSE THE JEWS.

I just ask one thing Glenn, stay away from Tom Tancredo and the minutemen.

[Anchorage Activist]

Archie wasn't screaming for the extermination of anybody, nor was he denouncing the United States or christianity. His main concern race wise was keeping "them people" out of his neighborhood.

A handful of people who "vent their spleen" on VNN can hardly be considered representative of the entire org. There are only a few VNN'ers who are viscerally anti-Christian. Remember, unlike Don Black at Stormfront or George Bush in the White House, Alex Linder thinks the Constitution is more than just a "GD piece of paper", and so permits much more free speech.

When VNN comes back up, access the online version of TAA #3, and you'll see Jacob Hall's column on page 9, entitled News for Christians. He attempts to wean Christians away from the corrupt, counterfeit, smiley-face sugar-cookie Judeo-Christianity of today and back to a more traditional approach.

[Fade the Butcher]

A.A.,

I can see your point. I would say though that Miller's approach can never work and is counterproductive at best. It rests upon a gross misunderstanding of human nature. If I were to target the same population with the most well reasoned appeals to their own self-interest, then my approach wouldn't work either (although it would probably have significantly better results). The masses are submissive by nature and follow their leaders. JJT pointed this out on SF the other day

The way most people actually think goes like this.

1) They look at a group.

2) They judge weather that group is made of winners or losers, whether it is running a winning or losing strategy

3) If they think it's full of winners, they adjust their beliefs in accordance with that group.

I totally agree. And this is why the road to the flock has always been through the shepherd. If racialism is to succeed in America, then it has to be made appealing to at least some aspect of the leadership caste; the opinion makers in society who define what is right thinking.

[Glenn Miller]

He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR.

I think Archie Bunker would be repulsed by VNN.

Archie Bunker was a character created by jew TV producer Norman Lear, for the purpose of falsely stereotyping White middle and lower income White men who resisted forced racial integration, as stupid, unreasonable, silly racist bigots. As a consequence, many millions of racially aware White men were silenced, for fear of being called an "Archie Bunker". The objective of that jew produced sit-com, in the first place.

I see it worked successfully with you.

[Jaybird]

As a consequence, many millions of racially aware White men were silenced, for fear of being called an "Archie Bunker". The objective of that jew produced sit-com, in the first place.
I was floatin' in the Milk River back then, but i'm pretty sure that your statement is completely false.
"All in the Family" was taken from a British sitcom called "Gumshoe" or some shit. In the limey version, the father character was not only a bigot, but very unpleasant as well. Not the case with Archie. Although a bigot, he was a very likable guy. People connected with him and had the complete opposite effect that Lear had hoped for. Thus the popularity of "Archie for President" and "The Wit & Wisdom of Archie Bunker".

[Glenn Miller]

A.A.,

I can see your point. I would say though that Miller's approach can never work and is counterproductive at best. It rests upon a gross misunderstanding of human nature. If I were to target the same population with the most well reasoned appeals to their own self-interest, then my approach wouldn't work either (although it would probably have significantly better results). The masses are submissive by nature and follow their leaders. JJT pointed this out on SF the other day



I totally agree. And this is why the road to the flock has always been through the shepherd. If racialism is to succeed in America, then it has to be made appealing to at least some aspect of the leadership caste; the opinion makers in society who define what is right thinking.

Here Fade reveals his pompous, spoiled-little-rich-kid, upper class bigotry against the White masses.

He speaks of "the leadership caste", meaning of course, his fellow "intellectuals" as our leaders who will "define what is right thinking". Shit, those yellow, anonymous, net-warriors are too GD cowardly to even say what's right thinking, much less act on it.

Germany's greatest and most successful leader, Adolph Hitler, sure as hell didn't come from the intellectual "leadership caste", and neither will our's.

[Anchorage Activist]

Archie Bunker was a character created by jew TV producer Norman Lear, for the purpose of falsely stereotyping White middle and lower income White men who resisted forced racial integration, as stupid, unreasonable, silly racist bigots. As a consequence, many millions of racially aware White men were silenced, for fear of being called an "Archie Bunker". The objective of that jew produced sit-com, in the first place.

I see it worked successfully with you.

Good point. Now that I think about it, I recall that Archie Bunker was always cast in the worst possible light while the Meathead was portrayed as some all-knowing, all-seeing "guru".

[Anchorage Activist]

Here Fade reveals his pompous, spoiled-little-rich-kid, upper class bigotry against the White masses.

He speaks of "the leadership caste", meaning of course, his fellow "intellectuals" as our leaders who will "define what is right thinking". Shit, those yellow, anonymous, net-warriors are too GD cowardly to even say what's right thinking, much less act on it.

Germany's greatest and most successful leader, Adolph Hitler, sure as hell didn't come from the intellectual "leadership caste", and neither will our's.

What made Adolf Hitler so unique and so admirable was his uncanny ability to cut across class lines to unite an entire nation and put it back on its feet. This made Germany's National Socialist movement one of the most dynamic and popular grass-roots revolutions in the history of the world. I've seen videos of the German people expressing themselves at NS rallies. You can't fake that sort of thing. It was genuine.

[jcs]

Germany's greatest and most successful leader, Adolph Hitler, sure as hell didn't come from the intellectual "leadership caste", and neither will our's.
Hitler wasn't Germany's greatest and most successful leader. You're ignoring all German history preceding the Third Reich. And while Hitler may have been one of the greater German leaders (debatable), he certainly wasn't the most successful. Case in point: Deutschland lost the war. Sounds like failure to me!

And if you're up on German politics preceding and during the early Fuehrer years, you'll notice that the most intelligent rightist thinkers opposed Hitler because he was not leadership material. Hey, they were right.

[jcs]

What made Adolf Hitler so unique and so admirable was his uncanny ability to cut across class lines to unite an entire nation and put it back on its feet.
"What made AH so unique and admirable was his uncanny ability to realize the extreme anarchist and socialist ideal of negating all inherent difference, destroying the last remains of fallen castes, to create a mass of equal people."

Of course, he also established a meritocracy, but neither you nor myself has claimed that meritocracy is admirable.

[Anchorage Activist]

"What made AH so unique and admirable was his uncanny ability to realize the extreme anarchist and socialist ideal of negating all inherent difference, destroying the last remains of fallen castes, to create a mass of equal people."

Of course, he also established a meritocracy, but neither you nor myself has claimed that meritocracy is admirable.

Quite possibly this was attributable to the fact that key players in that meritocracy implemented their own agendas under the protective color of the "Fuehrerprinzip". Hermann Goering constantly oversold the capabilities of the Luftwaffe. And who knows what the enigmatic Heinrich Himmler was really up to. Martin Bormann severely limited access to Hitler because Hitler would not react well to bad news. And this had to have affected Hitler's decision-making capacities. Does it seem logical for Hitler to have ordered von Paulus and Sixth Army to stand fast at Stalingrad and get cut off? No. This begs the question, did Hitler really know the true situation at Stalingrad?

What's really telling is that during the closing days in Berlin, Adolf Hitler reached past Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler and tapped Karl Doenitz to be his successor. Perhaps Hitler figured out what Goering and Himmler had been all about at the last minute.

One of the best resources I've found in getting a better historical perspective on that era is The Barnes Review. This is a totally professional and erudite resource designed to uncover and present the true facts of history. One of the more prolific contributors is former Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle. If you don't subscribe to any other magazine, subscribe to this one.

[Fade the Butcher]

Here Fade reveals his pompous, spoiled-little-rich-kid, upper class bigotry against the White masses.

I have never lost a bet underestimating the ability of the masses to understand their own true interests.

He speaks of "the leadership caste", meaning of course, his fellow "intellectuals" as our leaders who will "define what is right thinking".

There are two types of people in our society: trend setters and trend followers. The latter are ever more numerous than the former. If you want to make a difference in our society, then you have to 1.) become a trend setter yourself or 2.) convince the trend setters that your ideas are in their interest.

You would make more progress by converting one famous Hollywood celebrity to white raciaism than you would by distributing two million copies of AA amongst the masses.

Shit, those yellow, anonymous, net-warriors are too GD cowardly to even say what's right thinking, much less act on it.

As I explained above, I discuss my views with all sorts of people in real life who know me on a personal basis and who I welcome into my home.

Germany's greatest and most successful leader, Adolph Hitler, sure as hell didn't come from the intellectual "leadership caste", and neither will our's.

Hitler understood full and well that democracy is a sham because it is based on the ridiculous notion that the masses are rationally calculating individuals like Enlightenment philosophes. He also drew heavily from the well of all sorts of thinkers that came before him, from Schopenhauer to Houston Stewart Chamberlain to Richard Wagner. This can easily be seen in his voluminous comments on every subject imaginable (where are yours?). The ideas that so influenced him came from many sources. The notion that Hitler was some unwashed, unread, half illiterate populist like yourself is ridiculous. He was an autodidact.

You don't even have the most rudimentary understanding of propaganda or public relations. Only an idiot would go on television in front of tens of thousands of people and rant to his audience about what he thinks. Do you even have the slightest understanding of what real activism requires? Apparently not. Who can help but laugh when you come here and tell us that one or two people reacted to your performance in a favorable way out of the thousands whom you turned off?

[Glenn Miller]

Hitler wasn't Germany's greatest and most successful leader. You're ignoring all German history preceding the Third Reich. And while Hitler may have been one of the greater German leaders (debatable), he certainly wasn't the most successful. Case in point: Deutschland lost the war. Sounds like failure to me!

And if you're up on German politics preceding and during the early Fuehrer years, you'll notice that the most intelligent rightist thinkers opposed Hitler because he was not leadership material. Hey, they were right.

Well goddamn man, virtually the entire world ganged up against them - a country the size of Montana.

Hitler conquered Europe, freed the German people from jew bondage, whipped Poland in 29 days, whipping another half dozen countries while running GB off the continent in 6 weeks, put millions of jews to doing manual labor for the first time in their parasitic lives, increased the German birth rate by 50 percent, created the healthiest nation of White people that ever existed, then attacked and almost defeated jew-ruled, bolshevik Russia, a country 20 times the size of Germany.

And you question Hitler's "leadership material". You're not only crazy, you're deaf, dumb, and blind to boot. But no more so than your host, pompous-anonymous-Fade, who's glad Germany lost the war, and is in love with Franklin Delano ROSENFELD. (His real name btw. Look it up).

[Fade the Butcher]

I am sure Hitler would be delighted to count you amongst his many disciples if he were alive today.

[Starr]

Archie Bunker was a character created by jew TV producer Norman Lear, for the purpose of falsely stereotyping White middle and lower income White men who resisted forced racial integration, as stupid, unreasonable, silly racist bigots. As a consequence, many millions of racially aware White men were silenced, for fear of being called an "Archie Bunker". The objective of that jew produced sit-com, in the first place.

.


You are correct for once. And it had all of the right elements. The "nice" black family moving in next door, which only the bigot Archie, with the IQ of a walnut, objected to,etc. There was a prevailing theme throughout the series that affected almost every show that racists are ignorant morons whose views are based on incorrect stereotypes. Which always, of course, proved wrong if not by the people he "discriminated against" then by the smart, college educated, "Mike" and sometimes even dumb "love everyone" Edith(incredibly dim, but yet smarter than Archie")

This is why we have to be careful not to conform to "Archie Bunker"

[Glenn Miller]

I have never lost a bet underestimating the ability of the masses to understand their own true interests.


ROUNDER: Oh, they'll understand their true interests well enough when the economy busts, and there's no beer in the fridge, food in their bellies, nor gas in their pickup trucks. Meanwhile, we'll teach as many as we can who's robbing the kitty.



There are two types of people in our society: trend setters and trend followers. The latter are ever more numerous than the former. If you want to make a difference in our society, then you have to 1.) become a trend setter yourself or 2.) convince the trend setters that your ideas are in their interest.


ROUNDER: Been there. Done that. The trend in NC in the 80's was the White Patriot Party. Over 5,000 members and paying supporters and growing rapidly every day. Until your kike friends got scared shitless and framed me. Surely, you don't claim to be a "trend setter", yourself. You lack the guts to even "set" your name alongside what you say you believe.

You would make more progress by converting one famous Hollywood celebrity to white raciaism than you would by distributing two million copies of AA amongst the masses.


ROUNDER: A clear example of your short-sighted idiocy. Convert a "Hollywood celebrity" one day, and the jews will see to it he/she ain't a "Hollywood celebrity" the next. Then what would you do with your "Hollywood celebrity", put him on phora.net ???



As I explained above, I discuss my views with all sorts of people in real life who know me on a personal basis and who I welcome into my home.


ROUNDER: Again, you say shit impossible to disprove.



Hitler understood full and well that democracy is a sham because it is based on the ridiculous notion that the masses are rationally calculating individuals like Enlightenment philosophes. He also drew heavily from the well of all sorts of thinkers that came before him, from Schopenhauer to Houston Stewart Chamberlain to Richard Wagner. This can easily be seen in his voluminous comments on every subject imaginable (where are yours?). The ideas that so influenced him came from many sources. The notion that Hitler was some unwashed, unread, half illiterate populist like yourself is ridiculous. He was an autodidact.


ROUNDER: At 65, I've read a hell of alot more books than you have at 25, but unlike you young "intellectual" punks, I've lived and experienced many decades more. Your last sentence proves your ass has been whipped by an "unwashed, unread, half illiterate populist".

I'll aways easily kick your ass Fade. Why? Because I'm honest. I tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth all the time. You, on the other hand, are a conniving, deceptive spreader of lies, half-truths, disinformation, divisiveness, and confusions.

Sieg Heil !!!

You don't even have the most rudimentary understanding of propaganda or public relations. Only an idiot would go on television in front of tens of thousands of people and rant to his audience about what he thinks. Do you even have the slightest understanding of what real activism requires? Apparently not. Who can help but laugh when you come here and tell us that one or two people reacted to your performance in a favorable way out of the thousands whom you turned off?


ROUNDER: Well, we sure as hell won't hold our breaths waiting around for you to teach us what "real activism requires", now will we ??? Anonymous, intellectual, advisors are dime a dozen, and even less valuable to our Cause of freedom from the jews, and racial survival on this planet. But yaw'll are fun to put back in your places.

[Glenn Miller]

You are correct for once. And it had all of the right elements. The "nice" black family moving in next door, which only the bigot Archie, with the IQ of a walnut, objected to,etc. There was a prevailing theme throughout the series that affected almost every show that racists are ignorant morons whose views are based on incorrect stereotypes. Which always, of course, proved wrong if not by the people he "discriminated against" then by the smart, college educated, "Mike" and sometimes even dumb "love everyone" Edith(incredibly dim, but yet smarter than Archie")

This is why we have to be careful not to conform to "Archie Bunker"

Fairly well described. I couldn't help but note however, you declined to name the jew responsible - Norman Lear. Who btw, was on The Order's hit list.

[O'Zebedee]

Fairly well described. I couldn't help but note however, you declined to name the jew responsible - Norman Lear. Who btw, was on The Order's hit list.

A celebrity hit squad, and they couldn't find time to take out a few Hollywood Squares members?

They deserve to rot.

[jcs]

At 65, I've read a hell of alot more books than you have at 25
You mean a [SPACE] lot; a noun, 'lot,' preceded by an indefinite article, 'a.' They teach this in elementary school.

I've noticed you doing this a few times, meaning it wasn't just a typo.

[jcs]

Well goddamn man, virtually the entire world ganged up against them - a country the size of Montana.
To some degree, but Germany wasn't a passive victim.

And you question Hitler's "leadership material". You're not only crazy, you're deaf, dumb, and blind to boot.
You're going to have to present a better argument than this. In your 65 years, you haven't read any books about debate?

[Helios Panoptes]

"Alot" is not an english word. It is a misspelling. "Allot" is a verb.

[Starr]

Fairly well described. I couldn't help but note however, you declined to name the jew responsible - Norman Lear. Who btw, was on The Order's hit list.


You already did and I was agreeing. There were also a lot of feminist and anti-christian(or at least anti-religious) themes to the show as well. The perfect example of a culture destroying tv show.

I think i just talked myself out of ever wanting to watch it again.

[jcs]

"Alot" is not an english word. It is a misspelling. "Allot" is a verb.
Indeed, that is correct. Good thing I didn't say 'alot' was a verb, huh?
:p

[jcs]

You already did and I was agreeing.
Wrong. If you don't name the Jew, you're implicitly disagreeing, kike-alike.
:222:

[Glenn Miller]

You already did and I was agreeing. There were also a lot of feminist and anti-christian(or at least anti-religious) themes to the show as well. The perfect example of a culture destroying tv show.

I think i just talked myself out of ever wanting to watch it again.

Yes, but do you agree that "All in the Family" was anti-White jewish propaganda cleverly designed to promote racial integration and to silence criticism of it ??

[Glenn Miller]

You mean a [SPACE] lot; a noun, 'lot,' preceded by an indefinite article, 'a.' They teach this in elementary school.

I've noticed you doing this a few times, meaning it wasn't just a typo.

I frequently run the two together to save a space. "alot" vice "a lot". It's done in many books as well, and for the same reason.

Kinda nit-pickin, ain cha fellar ??

[Glenn Miller]

To some degree, but Germany wasn't a passive victim.


You're going to have to present a better argument than this. In your 65 years, you haven't read any books about debate?

Germany, the size of Montana, was surrounded on all sides by enemies. Jew ruled Russia, only a few hundred miles away, had by 1939 already butchered 25-30 million White gentile Russians. International jewry declared war on Germany 6 years earlier. France, Great Britain and more than a half dozen other western European countries wanted Nationalist Germany destroyed. If they'd been passive, they've have been attacked and defeated. But yes they were victims. Victims of international jewry which controlled France, G.B., Russia and the U.S. and which was doing everything in their power to bring about a war against jew-free Germany.

But you're right, I haven't read any books on debate. I can however, whip the shit out of every one of those who wrote one in a debate about the GD kikes. Stick around, and you'll come to agree. That is, if you're honest.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Don't be ridiculous, neither France nor Britain was dominzted by jews (although they had a good deal of influence in Britain), and Stalin had rid himself of most of the jewish bolsheviks who played a pivotal part in the Russian revolution. He was a butcher and a maniac, but he was NOT in cahoots with the jews. Most jews in those days were trotskyites, a belief that would earn you a one way ticket to Siberia if you held it in the USSR in those days. Those gentiles who got killed in the USSR were Russian slavs, and we both know how Hitler felt about their kind, so their fate can hardly be seen as Hitler's incentive for war. He thought he was the biggest dog in the yard, started a nice ladgrab, and in the end his victims ganged up on him and beat him senseless.

I don't consider people who start wars with the entire civilized world and whose actions lead their nation to destruction and bolshevik rule as great leaders at all my friend.

Hitler was among the gretest failures in European history, and the continent is still paying the price of his failure today.

[jcs]

Hitler was among the gretest failures in European history, and the continent is still paying the price of his failure today.
He was a failure, but I don't like consequentialism when employed by someone other than the failure himself. That's just blame. The individual who failed should, if he is a decent person, blame himself, however; but that's his place, not ours. Looked at in terms of causality, though, Hitler's failure was part a cause of the modern problem.

[Starr]

Yes, but do you agree that "All in the Family" was anti-White jewish propaganda cleverly designed to promote racial integration and to silence criticism of it ??


It is implied in my responses, yes.

[Draco]

"All in the Family" was based on British sitcom "Till Death do us Part".

It was largely jewish drivel, but it was funny jewish drivel hence the popularity with people, and many could identify with Archie.

Germany and Israel had spin-offs of All in the Family. The German Bunker railed against Turks, the Israeli one against Arabs.

[A. Radek]

Ah yes, even crappy mass market sitcoms are the stuff of conspiracy theories here in White Warrior Land. It ran many, many seasons due to audience popularity, not orders from Menachim Begin, and many other series in similiar veins failed, but just focus on the one with Carroll O'Connor and some other fairly decent actors, some better than average TV writers, well, better than average for TV, anyways, and a decent director, and WA LAHH, Yet Another ZOG Plot smelled out by Fodder Land He Rows.

How does the success of The Carol Burnett Show figure into this Master Plan? Family Ties? Golden Girls? Don't forget the darkly sinister Dean Martin Show, and the always ominous Time Tunnel ...

[Fade the Butcher]

It ran as filler in between commercials. This is why you see so much tabloid junk on television today. The media, after all, is a business that is driven by profitability. Advertisers want large audiences. The masses are attracted by spectacles: sports, soap operas, scandal, sex and so on. This is why FOX News is so successful: excellence in journalism is set aside in favor of telegenic babes, jingoism, ideological shouting matches, dramas for the soccer moms etc.

[A. Radek]

Yes, it ran because it grabbed a huge audience share, nothing more sinister than that.

[Fade the Butcher]

ZOG knows all. ZOG is behind all.

[Fade the Butcher]

It ran as filler in between commercials. This is why you see so much tabloid junk on television today. The media, after all, is a business that is driven by profitability. Advertisers want large audiences. The masses are attracted by spectacles: sports, soap operas, scandal, sex and so on. This is why FOX News is so successful: excellence in journalism is set aside in favor of telegenic babes, jingoism, ideological shouting matches, dramas for the soccer moms etc.

It is also why these soap opera threads are always so popular in the Lounge.

[Anchorage Activist]

It is also why these soap opera threads are always so popular in the Lounge.

I thought that was the stated purpose of the Lounge - lowbrow. Just like the Nutzpah Lounge we have over at VNN.:p

[Fade the Butcher]

Yes. That is my point. Lowbrow = Popular

[Intrepid]

Yes, it ran because it grabbed a huge audience share, nothing more sinister than that.

Nonsense. Then how does one explain this passage from Moshe Dayan's autobiography The Story of my Life?

pg. 167:

" In May of 1970, during political reconnoitering in the United States, I happened upon my old friend and American director extraordinaire, Norman Lear. Norman and I went far back, as Mr. Lear accompanied the IDF's foray into Gaza in '67. While our political views were slightly divergent, we both believed in the power of U.S. sitcoms in altering American opinion on racial issues and Israel in particular. While it is true the show, All in The Family, was loosely based on a BBC show, the specifics, or guts of the show, came directly from the Israeli Diplomatic and Intelligence corps. Norman was most accommodating in allowing our operatives into his production company's various shows, i.e., Maude, Good Times et al, but it was All in The Family that was the centerpiece of our mission."

[Glenn Miller]

Don't be ridiculous, neither France nor Britain was dominzted by jews (although they had a good deal of influence in Britain), and Stalin had rid himself of most of the jewish bolsheviks who played a pivotal part in the Russian revolution. He was a butcher and a maniac, but he was NOT in cahoots with the jews. Most jews in those days were trotskyites, a belief that would earn you a one way ticket to Siberia if you held it in the USSR in those days. Those gentiles who got killed in the USSR were Russian slavs, and we both know how Hitler felt about their kind, so their fate can hardly be seen as Hitler's incentive for war. He thought he was the biggest dog in the yard, started a nice ladgrab, and in the end his victims ganged up on him and beat him senseless.

I don't consider people who start wars with the entire civilized world and whose actions lead their nation to destruction and bolshevik rule as great leaders at all my friend.

Hitler was among the gretest failures in European history, and the continent is still paying the price of his failure today.

Gee guy, why didn't you say you're a jew ???

[Fade the Butcher]

Stan works for a Belgian subsidary of Anglo-Kike Atlantic BritZOG-USZOG.

[Starr]

And look at that avatar he so proudly displays. That much hated Muslim cartoon that has caused so much rage and pain among our brown friends in the Muslim world.

Definately a kike.:222:

[Fade the Butcher]

And look at his avatar. That much hated Muslim cartoon that has caused some much rage in the Muslim world!

Definately a kike.:222:

Stan is complicit in the genocide of the white race and its enslavement by the GD kikes.

[A. Radek]

Nonsense. Then how does one explain this passage from Moshe Dayan's autobiography The Story of my Life?

pg. 167:

Quote:
" In May of 1970, during political reconnoitering in the United States, I happened upon my old friend and American director extraordinaire, Norman Lear. Norman and I went far back, as Mr. Lear accompanied the IDF's foray into Gaza in '67. While our political views were slightly divergent, we both believed in the power of U.S. sitcoms in altering American opinion on racial issues and Israel in particular. While it is true the show, All in The Family, was loosely based on a BBC show, the specifics, or guts of the show, came directly from the Israeli Diplomatic and Intelligence corps. Norman was most accommodating in allowing our operatives into his production company's various shows, i.e., Maude, Good Times et al, but it was All in The Family that was the centerpiece of our mission."

Indeed. I'd forgotten about 'Good Times' and 'Maude' being vitally crucial to Israeli success in the Yom Kippur War. Good research.

[A. Radek]

Gee guy, why didn't you say you're a jew ???

Modesty is one of his virtues. He is of the Master Race, after all.

[Glenn Miller]

Nonsense. Then how does one explain this passage from Moshe Dayan's autobiography The Story of my Life?

pg. 167:

Hot damn, Intrepid. You blew some kike-alike asses clean out of the water with that one. I made a note to pick up a copy of Dayan's book. Mighty "juicy". See ?? The GD kikes have become so overconfident, they brag publicly that what we say about them is true.

Do you suppose Draco, Radek and/or Fade will respond to your book quote ?? Naaaw. But their spins would be interesting, huh ??

Tell me Intrepid, who are the confessed kikes on here ?? Crypto ones ???

[Sulla the Dictator]

Yes, but do you agree that "All in the Family" was anti-White jewish propaganda cleverly designed to promote racial integration and to silence criticism of it ??

Glenn, can you picture the pitch meeting for that in real life? Is this what you think happens behind all the doors you're barred from?

[Gleb]

Gee guy, why didn't you say you're a jew ???

He is right, actually, Stalin was a Georgian and an anti-semite.

And no, I am not a Jew.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Germany, the size of Montana, was surrounded on all sides by enemies. Jew ruled Russia, only a few hundred miles away, had by 1939 already butchered 25-30 million White gentile Russians.


Then it is a terrible crime, is it not, that Germany allied with the Soviet Jew to carve up the hapless Poles in 1939?

[Blaphbee]

Sorry to interrupt the bickering - which really goes a long way in proving your worth to the "movement" Glenn, really it does - but am I correct in assuming that "GD" as it's being used here stands for "GodDamn" or GodDamned"? Is there a word filter on this particular phrase, such that he needs to use this abbreviation? I never went to VNN when it was up and running, thus I've not a clue where this shorthand sprung from.

Thanks for any help cats and kittens.

[Glenn Miller]

Ah yes, even crappy mass market sitcoms are the stuff of conspiracy theories here in White Warrior Land. It ran many, many seasons due to audience popularity, not orders from Menachim Begin, and many other series in similiar veins failed, but just focus on the one with Carroll O'Connor and some other fairly decent actors, some better than average TV writers, well, better than average for TV, anyways, and a decent director, and WA LAHH, Yet Another ZOG Plot smelled out by Fodder Land He Rows.

How does the success of The Carol Burnett Show figure into this Master Plan? Family Ties? Golden Girls? Don't forget the darkly sinister Dean Martin Show, and the always ominous Time Tunnel ...

Intrepid trapped yo lying ass, didn't he ???

Now then tell me, which breed of yid-bug are you ?? Then you and I'll discuss my all time favorite subject - The Ovens - shall we ???

[Draco]

Hot damn, Intrepid. You blew some kike-alike asses clean out of the water with that one. I made a note to pick up a copy of Dayan's book. Mighty "juicy". See ?? The GD kikes have become so overconfident, they brag publicly that what we say about them is true.

Do you suppose Draco, Radek and/or Fade will respond to your book quote ?? Naaaw. But their spins would be interesting, huh ??

Tell me Intrepid, who are the confessed kikes on here ?? Crypto ones ???

Holy hell you're retarded. He made that up to ridicule you.

[Glenn Miller]

Yes, it ran because it grabbed a huge audience share, nothing more sinister than that.

That's not what your hero Moshe Dayan said (about "All In The Family"). What say ye about that ??? Daaaaa. . . .

[Glenn Miller]

Holy hell you're retarded. He made that up to ridicule you.

Well if that's true, he sure as hell pulled one over one me. Too much trusting Aryan blood in me I suppose.

Draco correct, Intrepid ???

Irregardless however, my accusation against the kikes for "All in the Family" still stands like a rock.

[Blaphbee]

"Irregardless" IS NOT A FUCKING WORD, DIPSHIT

[Sulla the Dictator]

Irregardless however, my accusation against the kikes for "All in the Family" still stands like a rock.

No arguing with that.

If only.....nah, its too implausible. What do we have to lose though? If only the AMERICAN PEOPLE could hear about this example of Jewish social engineering. With a television ad buy, for instance.

[A. Radek]

Intrepid trapped yo lying ass, didn't he ???

Yep. Got me red handed ... Can't put one over on the Jew wise, can we?

Now then tell me, which breed of yid-bug are you ??

I'm Ariel Sharon's nephew.

Then you and I'll discuss my all time favorite subject - The Ovens - shall we ???

Okay. I have had good luck with Kenmore's ovens. How about you?

[Gleb]

"Irregardless" IS NOT A FUCKING WORD, DIPSHIT

Not a good reason to call someone a dipshit, Dumb Bee.

[Intrepid]

Holy hell you're retarded. He made that up to ridicule you.

Israeli counter intelligence in Hollywood is legion, Sir.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0306804972.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Jaybird]

Irregardless however, my accusation against the kikes for "All in the Family" still stands like a rock.
http://www.whitakeronline.org/063001.htm
A MAN WITH A MEMORY LOOKS AT ARCHIE BUNKER



The media were full of the news that Carrol O'Connor, star of the 1970s sitcom, "All In the Family," had died. Everybody talked about how popular his character on that show, Archie Bunker, had been. Not one single person dared mention WHY Archie Bunker was so popular.

Nice people would NEVER mention how Archie Bunker got his huge appeal.

Which is why you've got me.

In fact, my sister made mention of this very connection just a few days back. She said I am the Archie Bunker of the Internet. This was a compliment. The producers of the show certainly didn't mean it to be.

Norman Lear, who adopted "All In the Family" from a British sitcom, certainly did not mean "Archie Bunker" to be a compliment. Like Jane Fonda and other Hollywood leftists, he hated working class white people and he had never met any. That is why it was so easy for him to believe that white working people hated black people and had never met any.

So Archie Bunker was totally bigoted, loud, ignorant, and mentally retarded, the very picture of white working people in Hollywood eyes.

The last thing Lear expected was that Archie Bunker would become an instant hero to America. Bumper stickers blossomed out all over the country, "Archie Bunker for President." One of the most popular books of the time was "The Wit and Wisdom of Archie Bunker."

Everybody instantly discounted the fact that Archie was retarded, loud and ignorant. All non-liberals on television back then were loud, ignorant and retarded. There were only three networks, and all three were hard left. There was Public Television which, like everything the public finances, was far to the left of mere liberalism.

In those days, a "fair and balanced" discussion on television had liberal Republicans on one side and liberal Democrats on the other. Liberals, being totally out of contact, didn't realize that everyone had long since taken that for granted. Anybody who said anything that Americans were dying to say to the Hollywood Left would be characterized as a dolt, a hater, and an ignoramus on television.

But in this standard guise, they actually let Archie speak. He was the only person on television who ever spoke to the liberals on his program the way a lot of us had been aching to speak to people who mouthed the media line.

We loved Archie, and being compared to him is a compliment I hope I can live up to.

[il ragno]

From the preface to THE CULTURE OF CRITIQUE:

Jewish organizations and Jewish intellectual movements have championed cultural pluralism in many ways, especially as powerful and effective advocates of an open immigration policy. The media have supported this perspective by portraying cultural pluralism almost exclusively in positive terms -- that cultural pluralism is easily achieved and is morally superior to a homogeneous Christian culture made up mainly of white non-Jews. Characters who oppose cultural pluralism are portrayed as stupid and bigoted (Lichter et al. 1994, 251), the classic being the Archie Bunker character in Norman Lear's All in the Family television series. Departures from racial and ethnic harmony are portrayed as entirely the result of white racism (Powers et al. 1996, 173).

Since Jews have a decisive influence on television and movies, it is not surprising that Jews are portrayed positively in the movies. There have been a great many explicitly Jewish movies and television shows with recognizable Jewish themes. Hollywood has an important role in promoting 'the Holocaust Industry,' with movies like Spielberg's Schindler's List (1993) and the four-part television miniseries Holocaust (1978), written by Gerald Green, directed by Marvin Chomsky, and produced by Herbert Brodkin and Robert Berger. Both of these films were lavishly promoted by Jewish groups. The promotion for Holocaust in 1978 was remarkable (Novick 1999, 210). The ADL distributed ten million copies of its sixteen-page tabloid The Record for this purpose. Jewish organizations pressured major newspapers to serialize a novel based on the script and to publish special inserts on the Holocaust. The Chicago Sun-Times distributed hundreds of thousands of copies of its insert to local schools. The AJCommittee, in cooperation with NBC, distributed millions of copies of a study guide for viewers; teachers' magazines carried other teaching material tied to the program so that teachers could easily discuss the program in class. Jewish organizations worked with the National Council of Churches to prepare other promotional and educational materials, and they organized advance viewings for religious leaders. The day the series began was designated 'Holocaust Sunday'; various activities were scheduled in cities across the country; the National Conference of Christians and Jews distributed yellow stars to be worn on that day. Study guides for Jewish children depicted the Holocaust as the result of Christian anti-Semitism. The material given to Jewish children also condemned Jews who did not have a strong Jewish identity. This massive promotion succeeded in many of its goals. These included the introduction of Holocaust education programs in many states and municipalities, beginning the process that led to the National Holocaust Memorial Museum, and a major upsurge of support for Israel.

In general, television portrays Jewish issues 'with respect, relative depth, affection and good intentions, and the Jewish characters who appear in these shows have, without any doubt, been Jewish -- often depicted as deeply involved in their Judaism' (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 5). For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker's Place) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations), gone into business with a Jewish partner, enrolled as a member of a synagogue, praised his close friend at a Jewish funeral, hosted a Sabbath dinner, participated in a bat mitzvah ceremony, and joined a group to fight synagogue vandalism. These shows, produced by liberal political activist Norman Lear, thus exemplify the general trend for television to portray non-Jews as participating in Jewish ritual, and 'respecting, enjoying, and learning from it. Their frequent presence and active involvement underscores the message that these things are a normal part of American life' (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 16). Jewish rituals are portrayed as 'pleasant and ennobling, and they bestow strength, harmony, fulfillment, and sense of identity upon those who observe them' (p. 62).

Television presents images of Jewish issues that conform to the views of mainstream Jewish organizations. Television 'invariably depicts anti-Semitism as an ugly, abhorrent trait that must be fought at every turn' (p. 103). It is seen as metaphysical and beyond analysis. There is never any rational explanation for anti-Semitism; anti-Semitism is portrayed as an absolute, irrational evil. Positive, well-liked, non-Jewish characters, such as Mary Tyler Moore, often lead the fight against anti-Semitism -- a pattern reminiscent of that noted in CofC in which non-Jews become high-profile spokespersons for Jewish dominated movements. There is also the implication that anti-Semitism is a proper concern of the entire community.

Regarding Israel, 'on the whole, popular TV has conveyed the fact that Israel is the Jewish homeland with a strong emotional pull upon Diaspora Jews, that it lives in perpetual danger surrounded by foes, and that as a result of the constant and vital fight for its survival, it often takes extraordinary (sometimes rogue) measures in the fields of security and intelligence' (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 173). Non-Jews are portrayed as having deep admiration and respect for Israel, its heroism and achievements. Israel is seen as a haven for Holocaust survivors, and Christians are sometimes portrayed as having an obligation to Israel because of the Holocaust.

In the movies, a common theme is Jews coming to the rescue of non-Jews, as in Independence Day, where Jeff Goldblum plays a 'brainy Jew' who rescues the world, and in Ordinary People, where Judd Hirsch plays a Jewish psychiatrist who rescues an uptight WASP family (Bernheimer 1998, 125-126). The movie Addams Family Values, discussed in CofC (Ch. 1, Note 4) is another example of this genre. Bernheimer (1998, 162) notes that 'in many films, the Jew is the moral exemplar who uplifts and edifies a gentile, serving as a humanizing influence by embodying culturally ingrained values.' As discussed in CofC, this 'Jews to the Rescue' theme also characterizes psychoanalysis and Jewish leftist radicalism: Psychoanalytic Jews save non-Jews from their neuroses, and radical Jews save the world from the evils of capitalism.

On the other hand, Christianity is typically portrayed as evil, even going so far as depicting Christians as psychopaths. Michael Medved describes Hollywood's cumulative attacks in recent years on the traditional American family, patriotism, and traditional sexual mores -- the Hollywood version of the culture of critique. But the most obvious focus of attack is on the Christian religion:

In the ongoing war on traditional values, the assault on organized faith represents the front to which the entertainment industry has most clearly committed itself. On no other issue do the perspectives of the show business elites and those of the public at large differ more dramatically. Time and again, the producers have gone out of their way to affront the religious sensibilities of ordinary Americans. (Medved 1992/1993, 50)34
Medved fails to find even one film made since the mid-1970s where Christianity is portrayed positively apart from a few films where it is portrayed as an historical relic -- a museum piece. Examples where Christianity is portrayed negatively abound. For example, in the film Monsignor (1982), a Catholic priest commits every imaginable sin, including the seduction of a glamorous nun and then is involved in her death. In Agnes of God (1985), a disturbed young nun gives birth in a convent, murders her baby, and then flushes the tiny, bloody corpse down the toilet. There are also many subtle anti-Christian scenes in Hollywood films, such as when the director Rob Reiner repeatedly focuses on the tiny gold crosses worn by Kathy Bates, the sadistic villain in Misery.
Another media tendency is to portray small towns as filled with bigots and anti-Semites. Media commentator Ben Stein records the hostility of the media toward rural America:

The typical Hollywood writer ... is of an ethnic background from a large Eastern city -- usually from Brooklyn [i.e., they have a Jewish background]. He grew up being taught that people in small towns hated him, were different from him, and were out to get him [i.e., small town people are anti-Semites]. As a result, when he gets the chance, he attacks the small town on television or the movies....
The television shows and movies are not telling it 'like it is'; instead they are giving us the point of view of a small and extremely powerful section of the American intellectual community -- those who write for the mass visual media.... What is happening, as a consequence, is something unusual and remarkable. A national culture is making war upon a way of life that is still powerfully attractive and widely practiced in the same country.... Feelings of affection for small towns run deep in America, and small-town life is treasured by millions of people. But in the mass culture of the country, a hatred for the small town is spewed out on television screens and movie screens every day.... Television and the movies are America's folk culture, and they have nothing but contempt for the way of life of a very large part of the folk.... People are told that their culture is, at its root, sick, violent, and depraved, and this message gives them little confidence in the future of that culture. It also leads them to feel ashamed of their country and to believe that if their society is in decline, it deserves to be. (Stein 1976, 22)

This is a good example of social identity processes so important in both Jewish attitudes toward non-Jews and non-Jewish attitudes toward Jews: Outgroups are portrayed negatively and ingroups are portrayed positively.


http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html

TV - in fine, post-60s TV - is where nominally-disparate strains of Jewish culture-subversion/destruction not only converge, but synergize. (It helps if you visualize Freud, Gramsci and Edward Bernays as Shakespeare's Weird Sisters, and mass-media as the cauldron they're stirring. Double, double, toil and trouble indeed.)

[Blaphbee]

Not a good reason to call someone a dipshit, Dumb Bee.
Explain the logic behind that statement, if you please.

The evidence in favour of calling Glenn a dipshit is practically overwhelming; I simply seized upon a particularly ham-brained manifestation of it.

Besides, you could have used "Blackbee" much more effectively there, instead of your own rather uncreative attempt.

[Jaybird]

For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker's Place) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations),

Yes, yes, yes. We all know that Archie was made to look like a boob every episode. Doesn't matter 'cause nobody cared.
In the Real World, no one plagari...er...talks like Fade the Butcher, in long-winded diatribes quoting all sorts of obscure philosopers. In the Real World, we talk like this: "Man, I went to McDonald's today and the stupid niggers fucked up my Big Mac and all these little fuckin' spic brats were running around throwin' shit at each other and then some gook cut me off on the way home..." That's how Archie talked and that's why people loved him.

[albion]

http://www.tvland.com/shows/aitf/images/shows/5.jpg Archie & Edith - http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9810/15/archie.warning/meathead.jpg Meathead & Gloria

[Gleb]

Explain the logic behind that statement, if you please.

The evidence in favour of calling Glenn a dipshit is practically overwhelming; I simply seized upon a particularly ham-brained manifestation of it.


My statement is self-explanatory.


Besides, you could have used "Blackbee" much more effectively there, instead of your own rather uncreative attempt.

Dumb bee is way more creative :p Plus, I have nothing against black bees.

[il ragno]

In the Real World, no one plagari...er...talks like Fade the Butcher, in long-winded diatribes quoting all sorts of obscure philosopers. In the Real World, we talk like this: "Man, I went to McDonald's today and the stupid niggers fucked up my Big Mac and all these little fuckin' spics brats were running around throwin' shit at each other and then some gook cut me off on the way home..." That's how Archie talked and that's why people loved him.

If Archie Bunker had ever said anything like that - I'd have taped every episode.

And you're wrong, Jay. As soon as the director yelled cut!, Carroll O'Connor talked exactly like Fade the Butcher. Though I have no idea if Fade adopts the fake lace-curtain accent O'Connor liked to affect.

[Glenn Miller]

http://www.whitakeronline.org/063001.htm
A MAN WITH A MEMORY LOOKS AT ARCHIE BUNKER



The media were full of the news that Carrol O'Connor, star of the 1970s sitcom, "All In the Family," had died. Everybody talked about how popular his character on that show, Archie Bunker, had been. Not one single person dared mention WHY Archie Bunker was so popular.

Nice people would NEVER mention how Archie Bunker got his huge appeal.

Which is why you've got me.

In fact, my sister made mention of this very connection just a few days back. She said I am the Archie Bunker of the Internet. This was a compliment. The producers of the show certainly didn't mean it to be.

Norman Lear, who adopted "All In the Family" from a British sitcom, certainly did not mean "Archie Bunker" to be a compliment. Like Jane Fonda and other Hollywood leftists, he hated working class white people and he had never met any. That is why it was so easy for him to believe that white working people hated black people and had never met any.

So Archie Bunker was totally bigoted, loud, ignorant, and mentally retarded, the very picture of white working people in Hollywood eyes.

The last thing Lear expected was that Archie Bunker would become an instant hero to America. Bumper stickers blossomed out all over the country, "Archie Bunker for President." One of the most popular books of the time was "The Wit and Wisdom of Archie Bunker."

Everybody instantly discounted the fact that Archie was retarded, loud and ignorant. All non-liberals on television back then were loud, ignorant and retarded. There were only three networks, and all three were hard left. There was Public Television which, like everything the public finances, was far to the left of mere liberalism.

In those days, a "fair and balanced" discussion on television had liberal Republicans on one side and liberal Democrats on the other. Liberals, being totally out of contact, didn't realize that everyone had long since taken that for granted. Anybody who said anything that Americans were dying to say to the Hollywood Left would be characterized as a dolt, a hater, and an ignoramus on television.

But in this standard guise, they actually let Archie speak. He was the only person on television who ever spoke to the liberals on his program the way a lot of us had been aching to speak to people who mouthed the media line.

We loved Archie, and being compared to him is a compliment I hope I can live up to.

(cough, cough, cough). . . You say you consider it a compliment to be compared to Norman Lear's Archie ?? Sure Jay, sure. Whatever you say.

[Intrepid]

For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker's Place) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations),

This relates very closely to Dayan's statements, as well.

pg. 174:

"Upon my specific recommendation, through Carol O'Connor's character, it was to make perfectly clear that Judaism was to be not tied to purely a racial construct. As such, with Israel in such turmoil at the time, inadvertently, it was to portray the Jewish state as a benign influence in the turbulent region. Norman found the ideas, at least conceptually, although - admittedly - not stylistically, to fit in perfectly with his vision for the show"

pgs. 174-175:

" In as much as Israel was to be presented as a calming influence in the Middle East, she was also to be shown as a tenacious foe when her vital interests were at stake. I'll never forget the inclusion of my dialogue for Archie's commentary, in the show's fifth season, on our brilliant, fearless strike upon the formidable Entebbe stronghold in 1976: "Edith, them damn yids, say what you will about them, you sure don't mess with 'em. The multi-dimensional angles of the script's political and cultural aims shouldn't be lost on even the casual observer."

[Excorcism]

For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker's Place) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations),

Yes, yes, yes. We all know that Archie was made to look like a boob every episode. Doesn't matter 'cause nobody cared.
In the Real World, no one plagari...er...talks like Fade the Butcher, in long-winded diatribes quoting all sorts of obscure philosopers. In the Real World, we talk like this: "Man, I went to McDonald's today and the stupid niggers fucked up my Big Mac and all these little fuckin' spics brats were running around throwin' shit at each other and then some gook cut me off on the way home..." That's how Archie talked and that's why people loved him.


Archie-Bunker was supposed to be the representation of the average 1950s American worker living in a drastically changed society in the 1960s. Every episode, we feel for Archie Bunker and see how he sees the world because he represents the mode of thinking for the American who was in WWII and the Korean war.

[il ragno]

Let's not lose sight of one thing in the midst of this "Archie Bunker died for our sins" debate.

And that is that - unlike most old tv shows, which at least have some sort of goofy retro charm in the rear-view mirror, Norman Lear's old shitcoms (and those of his proteges like Bud Yorkin and Tony Thomas) are fucking UNWATCHABLE 10, 20, 30 years later.

I'm dead serious. They're visually plain and dreary to look at, the plots, dialogue and one-liners are stiff, amateurish and obvious, and they trailblazed a concept that sucked what little fun once resided in tv comedy - for the first 20 mins, we watch people behaving horribly and saying crude and heartless things (in other words, the funny part)....only to betray the built-up good will of the audience by having all the funniest characters learn some valuable schoolmarmish "lesson" about racism or brotherhood or hypocrisy or Our Democratic Institutions in the last ten.

Go on: sit down and try to make it through an entire ALL IN THE FAMILY or MAUDE or ONE DAY AT A TIME or GOOD TIMES without reaching for either a remote or a revolver. You can't.

Only SANFORD AND SON is halfway-endurable, and that's because Redd Foxx had top-loaded the show with so many old-time vaudeville niggers, it was essentially AMOS N ANDY IN A JUNKYARD, and impervious to Talmudic manipulation no matter how many Hymie-coordinated production meetings Lear and Yorkin scheduled.

[O'Zebedee]

Only SANFORD AND SON is halfway-endurable, and that's because Redd Foxx had top-loaded the show with so many old-time vaudeville niggers, it was essentially AMOS N ANDY IN A JUNKYARD, and impervious to Talmudic manipulation no matter how many Hymie-coordinated production meetings Lear and Yorkin scheduled.

Plus - if I remember correctly (it's been awhile) Redd Foxx could never be the sentimental sop that Carroll O'Connor was.

[Jaybird]

(cough, cough, cough). . . You say you consider it a compliment to be compared to Norman Lear's Archie ?? Sure Jay, sure. Whatever you say.
I didn't say it, guy, Bob Whitaker did. (hence the link) I don't think anybody could compare me to Archie as I listen to rock and roll, smoke pot, and don't say words like "Irregardless"...errr...

[Jaybird]

And you're wrong, Jay. As soon as the director yelled cut!, Carroll O'Connor talked exactly like Fade the Butcher. Though I have no idea if Fade adopts the fake lace-curtain accent O'Connor liked to affect.
Oh yes, I'm very well aware of this, "In the Heat of the Night" and all that crapola.

[Sulla the Dictator]

What? Just because all shows are not Jewish propaganda doesn't mean that no shows are Jewish propaganda.


What organized body trains people to covertly become network execs and writers in order to promote this supposed propaganda?

How long before you guys recognize there are seperate and distinct worldviews from yours that aren't 'facades' of anything or planned by anyone?

[Sulla the Dictator]

I'm sure it has never happened that any "organized body" has ever trained anybody to do any covert thing; to inflitrate anything, etc. I'm certain that it's never happened...


And as we remove the outer layer of sarcasm, we see that beneath it is a empty cavity. No answer.


But who said anything about "organized bodies" in the first place? Isn't "All in the Family" known to be the brainchild of a paraticular individual (Norman Lear)? And is he not a Jew?


So what? What is Norman Lear's rank in the secret Propaganda Ministry and who gave him his orders?


The more posts I see by you the stupider you seem.

It angers you to be exposed as an empty shirt. :)

I get that. But you should relax.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Right. Nobody ever plans anything. It's all random chance. And there are no such thing as facades.


Why don't you identify the planners rather than hide beyond rather crude bits of sarcasm?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Gee guy, why didn't you say you're a jew ???

Sigh.

That's right, I'm a jew. In fact, I'm one of the leading jews, responsable for the miscegenation program in Northern America. I'm proud of my work, and I'm proud of you, and that lovely child you have with that fine asian prostitute.

[Glenn Miller]

Let's not lose sight of one thing in the midst of this "Archie Bunker died for our sins" debate.

And that is that - unlike most old tv shows, which at least have some sort of goofy retro charm in the rear-view mirror, Norman Lear's old shitcoms (and those of his proteges like Bud Yorkin and Tony Thomas) are fucking UNWATCHABLE 10, 20, 30 years later.

I'm dead serious. They're visually plain and dreary to look at, the plots, dialogue and one-liners are stiff, amateurish and obvious, and they trailblazed a concept that sucked what little fun once resided in tv comedy - for the first 20 mins, we watch people behaving horribly and saying crude and heartless things (in other words, the funny part)....only to betray the built-up good will of the audience by having all the funniest characters learn some valuable schoolmarmish "lesson" about racism or brotherhood or hypocrisy or Our Democratic Institutions in the last ten.

Go on: sit down and try to make it through an entire ALL IN THE FAMILY or MAUDE or ONE DAY AT A TIME or GOOD TIMES without reaching for either a remote or a revolver. You can't.

Only SANFORD AND SON is halfway-endurable, and that's because Redd Foxx had top-loaded the show with so many old-time vaudeville niggers, it was essentially AMOS N ANDY IN A JUNKYARD, and impervious to Talmudic manipulation no matter how many Hymie-coordinated production meetings Lear and Yorkin scheduled.

Hear, hear !!! Now how the hell can a White man as jew-wise as you NOT become an activist exposing the jewish menace ???

Listen to this very carefully:

"He who has learned the jews, but refuses to warn his people of the jewish menace, is an accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the jewish enslavement and genocide of his own people."

Now do the right thing. Send me some freakin money for TAA, the most convincing and professional EXPOSE-THE-JEW newspaper on the planet. Also the cheapest at one penny per page.

(Watch him decline to respond to this posting)

[Glenn Miller]

I didn't say it, guy, Bob Whitaker did. (hence the link) I don't think anybody could compare me to Archie as I listen to rock and roll, smoke pot, and don't say words like "Irregardless"...errr...

When I went to school and subsequently, the word "irregardless" was listed in dictionaries as an acceptable alternative to the word "regardless" - both having the exact same meaning.

You seem to be rather ignorant as regards jewish domination of the national communications media. For starters, I suggest you read the pamphlet, "Who Rules America". It lists the names and position titles of big media kikes. Go to www.davidduke.com.

And while you're there, check out some of Duke's articles on the jews. No one explains them better.

[Glenn Miller]

Sarcasm is the best answer to absurdities, and loudly answered your implication that "organized groups" could not influence Hollywood or the television industry. Even absent any specific case, it is dense to suggest it can't happen. Organized bodies have, and do, inflitrate covertly wherever they wish. (Does that sort of answer make it more clear for you?) Incidentally, a post early in this thread actually does give extraordinary evidence of exactly such influence in the case of All In The Family:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=39512#post39512

So I guess you have egg on your face again. Yet that is only peripheral to my response to you, which was about your general implication that it can't happen.

You also require that propaganda be the work of an "organized body," which is also naive. (I guess you 'conflated' individual activities with organizational activities?) Why would any Jew need to be directed by an "organized body" to create Jew propaganda? Jews don't need any formal "rank" to do their work beyond being Jews. That's why they are so effective.

You can talk about my shirt. But I'll talk about your writing, which has hollow sounds in it.

Nothing about my sarcasm was crude; or even 'rather crude.' Go check it. I prefer clean sacrasm. But now I'll be crude so as to be clear:

The 'planner' for All In The Family was Norman Lear, dope. And he was a Jew.

Liars like Sulla are like lawyers defending a criminal they know are guilty. Regardless of the undeniable evidence, they can forever cast doubt by requiring proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. And no matter how tight the prosecution's case may be, shadows of doubt are as numerous as the stars.

When it comes to the subject of jewish domination of the media, there is no reasonable doubt, only shadows of doubt.

[Fade the Butcher]

And while you're there, check out some of Duke's articles on the jews. No one explains them better.

Why doesn't David Duke associate himself with you or Alex Linder?

[Fade the Butcher]

Liars like Sulla are like lawyers defending a criminal they know are guilty.

Was Sulla lying when he complimented you for your performance? :p

[Fade the Butcher]

Now do the right thing. Send me some freakin money for TAA, the most convincing and professional EXPOSE-THE-JEW newspaper on the planet. Also the cheapest at one penny per page.

Why should anyone send you money for this when they can send money to David Duke?

[Glenn Miller]

Jews don't have to own a particular newspaper or TV or radio station, or even work in them, in order to control them.

CASE IN POINT: For 16 months I've tried to find a willing printer near where I live to print TAA. And I've either phoned or visited with at least 40 within 150-200 miles. Not one has the guts to print it. And so every edition, I've had to make 1,200 mile round trips to and from the only willing printer I could find.

And get this, about 80 percent of the local ones I phoned, only knew that I wanted a "pro-White" tabloid newspaper printed. That's all they needed to know in order to turn me down. And far as I know, every one I spoke or met with are White gentiles, because they are all small town southern newspapers.

Every GD one of them are too terrified to print a simple "pro-White" newspaper. They fear financial repercutions - complaints - lose of advertisers.

The jewsmedia established political correctness. PC says "pro-Whiteness" is bad, evil, racism, anti-semitism, etc., therefore should be avoided at all costs.

See what I mean ??? Jews don't have to own it, or even supervise it, to control it.

(Damn I'm good, ain't I ??)

[Fade the Butcher]

Is it possible that these white people have turned you down because they disagree with your political message?

[Glenn Miller]

Why should anyone send you money for this when they can send money to David Duke?

Because Duke doesn't publish a newspaper, silly. Now send me some freakin money.

BTW, you chicken out of responding to Intrepid's posting of Moshe Dayan's book quotes regarding the jewishness of "All in the Family". How come ?? Daaaaa. . . . Can't handle the hard stuff, huh ??

[Glenn Miller]

Why doesn't David Duke associate himself with you or Alex Linder?

What makes you think he doesn't ?? And I don't see any signs he associates himself with you.

Surely, you know I attended the Duke Conference after receiving a personal invitation from him.

[leondegrance]

Jews don't have to own a particular newspaper or TV or radio station, or even work in them, in order to control them.

CASE IN POINT: For 16 months I've tried to find a willing printer near where I live to print TAA. And I've either phoned or visited with at least 40 within 150-200 miles. Not one has the guts to print it. And so every edition, I've had to make 1,200 mile round trips to and from the only willing printer I could find.

And get this, about 80 percent of the local ones I phoned, only knew that I wanted a "pro-White" tabloid newspaper printed. That's all they needed to know in order to turn me down. And far as I know, every one I spoke or met with are White gentiles, because they are all small town southern newspapers.

Every GD one of them are too terrified to print a simple "pro-White" newspaper. They fear financial repercutions - complaints - lose of advertisers.

The jewsmedia established political correctness. PC says "pro-Whiteness" is bad, evil, racism, anti-semitism, etc., therefore should be avoided at all costs.

See what I mean ??? Jews don't have to own it, or even supervise it, to control it.

(Damn I'm good, ain't I ??)

If you are so confident in your beliefs, then why do you attempt to censor anyone that disagrees with you?

Isn't that "kike-a-like"?

[Fade the Butcher]

Because Duke doesn't publish a newspaper, silly. Now send me some freakin money.

I was under the impression that David Duke spends a lot of his time "exposing the GD kikes." Why shouldn't a rational WN support David Duke in this effort when he is far more successful at it than you are? Why should he waste his money on your tabloid when he can put his money to use by promoting other mediums?

BTW, you chicken out of responding to Intrepid's posting of Moshe Dayan's book quotes regarding the jewishness of "All in the Family". How come ?? Daaaaa. . . . Can't handle the hard stuff, huh ??

I didn't have anything to say about why All in the Family was created. I simply explained why it was syndicated and became so popular.

[Glenn Miller]

If you are so confident in your beliefs, then why do you attempt to censor anyone that disagrees with you?

Isn't that "kike-a-like"?

Because I'm a Nazi, not a democrat. Besides, VNN is for ACTIVISTS therefore, there must be a "drummer". VNN is not for cheap, lazy, do-nothing-contribute-nothing, yellow hobbyists.

Still, Alex Linder runs a free-speech forum, and everyone is welcome there so long as they comply with stated rules.

[Fade the Butcher]

What makes you think he doesn't ?? And I don't see any signs he associates himself with you.

Why wasn't Linder invited to speak the New Orleans conference a few years ago when the Protocol was signed?

Surely, you know I attended the Duke Conference after receiving a personal invitation from him.

The Amren conference is coming up soon. Nick Griffin will be speaking there. I take it you were not asked to give a presentation? Why haven't you or Linder given a presentation at any of the annual Duke conferences? David Duke and Don Black are obviously good friends. Why are links to and discussions about VNN censored at Stormfront? Is it fair to say that it is because people like you are fringe even within the WN movement?

[Fade the Butcher]

Because I'm a Nazi, not a democrat.

Is that why real German National Socialists like Dr. Brandt are banned over at VNN Forum?

Besides, VNN is for ACTIVISTS therefore, there must be a "drummer". VNN is not for cheap, lazy, do-nothing-contribute-nothing, yellow hobbyists.

Dr. Brandt is a real National Socialist activist in Germany. Why did you ban Dr. Brandt but let "I Farted In Your Mouth" stick around?

Still, Alex Linder runs a free-speech forum, and everyone is welcome there so long as they comply with stated rules.

You run a free speech forum? Is that right? Anima Eternae, Draco, Intrepid, myself and others have all been banned from this forum.

[Petr]

Is that why real German National Socialists like Dr. Brandt are banned over at VNN Forum?
Yeah, that one was really something. :p

Even VNN Forum found Dr. Brandt and his white-hot hatred for "Polaks" and "stupid Yanks" too hot to handle!


Petr

[Fade the Butcher]

Dr. Brandt is the real deal. Miller is just a Yank wannabee poseur.

[Glenn Miller]

It ran as filler in between commercials. This is why you see so much tabloid junk on television today. The media, after all, is a business that is driven by profitability. Advertisers want large audiences. The masses are attracted by spectacles: sports, soap operas, scandal, sex and so on. This is why FOX News is so successful: excellence in journalism is set aside in favor of telegenic babes, jingoism, ideological shouting matches, dramas for the soccer moms etc.

Hey Fade, above are your comments regarding charges that "All in the Family" was jewish propaganda designed to promote race-mixing.

It's quite obvious you tried to deny the charges.

Then after Intrepid's subsequent posting of Dayan book quotes, you became silent on the subject. Intrepid kicked yo ass, and you slunk away with your tails between your legs.

How bout it Intrepid, am I right ???

[Jimbo Gomez]

Wehr would be flaming the shit out of Miller if he were here right now.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Nice how you try to hide someone else after fade pwn3d your ass.

[leondegrance]

VNN is an entertaining forum because it is extreme, but it is also a very "politically correct" forum, is a reverse sort of way.

For a forum that has the jewish question as the central theme, no serious discussion of jews is allowed there.

[Fade the Butcher]

Hey Fade, above are your comments regarding charges that "All in the Family" was jewish propaganda designed to promote race-mixing.

I know. I addressed, as I said above, why All in the Family was syndicated over the years.

It's quite obvious you tried to deny the charges.

I didn't discuss why All in the Family was created. Are you that dull that you cannot see that?

Then after Intrepid's subsequent posting of Dayan book quotes, you became silent on the subject.

I never addressed the subject in the first place. Popular television series and films are inspired by all sorts of motives. The Matrix is an obvious example.

Intrepid kicked yo ass, and you slunk away with your tails between your legs.

I don't recall Intrepid addressing my post. He was arguing with someone else.

[Fade the Butcher]

Miller is your stereotypical Hollywood Nazi. Real German NSists hate people like Miller who vulgarize their symbols.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Miller is your stereotypical Hollywood Nazi.

He does remind me of that guy in Falling Down yes.

[Glenn Miller]

Why wasn't Linder invited to speak the New Orleans conference a few years ago when the Protocol was signed?


ROUNDER: Dunno. I wasn't in charge of issuing invitations. Why weren't you invited ??



The Amren conference is coming up soon. Nick Griffin will be speaking there. I take it you were not asked to give a presentation? Why haven't you or Linder given a presentation at any of the annual Duke conferences? David Duke and Don Black are obviously good friends. Why are links to and discussions about VNN censored at Stormfront? Is it fair to say that it is because people like you are fringe even within the WN movement?


ROUNDER: I never claimed to be a great speaker, just an honest one. But I have the greatest respect for David Duke, and send him money. During the past 5 years, I've purchased and distributed literally tens-of-thousands of David Duke pamphlets, as well. A received a EURO "Certificate of Merit", which was posted on VNNF. I may be on the "fringe" (as you say), though. After all, I'm 65 years old - too old to lead. But I'm an activist son of a gun, ya gotta admit. Why aren't you ??

[leondegrance]

ROUNDER: I never claimed to be a great speaker, just an honest one. But I have the greatest respect for David Duke, and send him money. During the past 5 years, I've purchased and distributed literally tens-of-thousands of David Duke pamphlets, as well. A received a EURO "Certificate of Merit", which was posted on VNNF. I may be on the "fringe" (as you say), though. After all, I'm 65 years old - too old to lead. But I'm an activist son of a gun, ya gotta admit. Why aren't you ??

You have no confidence in your own beliefs, and simply need it continually reinforced by other nutcases. How do you expect to persuade others when you yourself come across as a whiney coward?

[Glenn Miller]

I know. I addressed, as I said above, why All in the Family was syndicated over the years.



I didn't discuss why All in the Family was created. Are you that dull that you cannot see that?



I never addressed the subject in the first place. Popular television series and films are inspired by all sorts of motives. The Matrix is an obvious example.



I don't recall Intrepid addressing my post. He was arguing with someone else.


Trying to debate you kike-alikes is like trying to grasp a fistfull of jelly.

Do this. Post your thoughts regarding Dayan's book revelation about "All in the Family." And include the revelation above/below your posted thoughts.

I don't believe you'll do it. (Cluck, cluck, cluck).

[Glenn Miller]

You have no confidence in your own beliefs, and simply need it continually reinforced by other nutcases. How do you expect to persuade others when you yourself come across as a whiney coward?

"Reinforced by nutcases??" You mean all 300-plus "nutcases" who either contribute to, or distribute TAAs ?? That's alot of "nutcases", eh ??

"Whiney cowards" don't do what I do. Whiney cowards squat their yellow, lazy asses down on computer stools, too cowardly to place their names alongside what they say they believe, while whining anonymously among their mutual admiration society.

[Fade the Butcher]

ROUNDER: Dunno. I wasn't in charge of issuing invitations. Why weren't you invited ??

If I recall correctly, Linder talked to Duke about this at the time and Duke told him something to the effect that he wasn't welcome. I don't profess to be any leader of the White Nationalist movement.

ROUNDER: I never claimed to be a great speaker, just an honest one. But I have the greatest respect for David Duke, and send him money. During the past 5 years, I've purchased and distributed literally tens-of-thousands of David Duke pamphlets, as well. A received a EURO "Certificate of Merit", which was posted on VNNF. I may be on the "fringe" (as you say), though. After all, I'm 65 years old - too old to lead. But I'm an activist son of a gun, ya gotta admit. Why aren't you ??

The SPLC and ADL also engage in activism to promote anti-racism. You either consciously or unwittingly do this as well (which is why Sulla and Oberon have praised you for your efforts).

[Fade the Butcher]

You have no confidence in your own beliefs, and simply need it continually reinforced by other nutcases. How do you expect to persuade others when you yourself come across as a whiney coward?

Fringe elements of the world, unite!

[Glenn Miller]

If I recall correctly, Linder talked to Duke about this at the time and Duke told him something to the effect that he wasn't welcome. I don't profess to be any leader of the White Nationalist movement.


ROUNDER: Neither do I. But I do something to advance WN other than, like you, squat anonymously on a computer stool too cowardly to place your real name alongside the jibberish you profess to believe.



The SPLC and ADL also engage in activism to promote anti-racism. You either consciously or unwittingly do this as well (which is why Sulla and Oberon have praised you for your efforts).


ROUNDER: Both the SPLC and ADL have me listed as their enemies, and so does every other anti-White organization, both government and private. Point to even one that has ever once even mentioned your name or website. Daaaaaa. . . .

Why?? Because they love you and all other apologists for the jews. They'd pay you money to continue, if they don't already.

[Glenn Miller]

Fringe elements of the world, unite!

Well, you're not even a "fringe element". How could you be when you're too yellow to associate your name with what you say, much less actually do something.

[Glenn Miller]

Trying to debate you kike-alikes is like trying to grasp a fistfull of jelly.

Do this. Post your thoughts regarding Dayan's book revelation about "All in the Family." And include the revelation above/below your posted thoughts.

I don't believe you'll do it. (Cluck, cluck, cluck).

Hey Fade, stop skipping over my above post, and get your yellow ass over here and respond to it.

(See yaw'll, see what a yellow coward he is. When I bitch slap him, he doesn't even respond to the bitch slapping)

Respond !!! Pompous, anonymous Fade-the-chief-apologist-for-the-jews !!! Respond !!!

[Fade the Butcher]

ROUNDER: Neither do I. But I do something to advance WN other than, like you, squat anonymously on a computer stool too cowardly to place your real name alongside the jibberish you profess to believe.

You don't seem to understand that what you are doing isn't advancing WN. If your activism was so great and wonderful, then it would be embraced and applauded by the WN movement. It isn't. That is why discussions about VNN are censored at SF. The mainstream WN movement doesn't want to be associated with VNN. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the money that goes to fund TAA comes from anti-racists who are delighted to see it being circulated.

ROUNDER: Both the SPLC and ADL have me listed as their enemies, and so does every other anti-White organization, both government and private. Point to even one that has ever once even mentioned your name or website. Daaaaaa. . .

Morris Dees and the SPLC love to play catch with various Klan sects too. They showcase people like Glenn Miller in their propaganda to shakedown the little old Jewish ladies for money. Then they go around and hold you up as a representative of white racialism in America in order to con people into thinking we are all people like you.

Why?? Because they love you and all other apologists for the jews. They'd pay you money to continue, if they don't already.

Why don't you tell us about the time you went for a joy ride with Morris Dees?

[Fade the Butcher]

Well, you're not even a "fringe element". How could you be when you're too yellow to associate your name with what you say, much less actually do something.

I don't engage in internet activism. I establish contacts with people in real life who are actually going places.

[Fade the Butcher]

Hey Fade, stop skipping over my above post, and get your yellow ass over here and respond to it. (See yaw'll, see what a yellow coward he is. When I bitch slap him, he doesn't even respond to the bitch slapping)

I have never read the book Intrepid cited. It wouldn't make much sense for me to comment on it until I have done so. That is why I didn't address the issue.

Respond !!! Pompous, anonymous Fade-the-chief-apologist-for-the-jews !!! Respond !!!

Glenn Miller: Abe Foxman's man in the movement.

[Fade the Butcher]

Taking back America, one Todd in FL at'a time.

[Jaybird]

Ring around the rosie,
Pocket full of posies,
Ashes, ashes,
We all fall down!

If any posts are in need of modturdation, it is the last ~4 pages of this thread.

[Glenn Miller]

[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]You don't seem to understand that what you are doing isn't advancing WN. If your activism was so great and wonderful, then it would be embraced and applauded by the WN movement. It isn't. That is why discussions about VNN are censored at SF. The mainstream WN movement doesn't want to be associated with VNN. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the money that goes to fund TAA comes from anti-racists who are delighted to see it being circulated.


ROUNDER: Kike-alike, you cast suspicions on groups you don't like by questioning the funding. The screen names of every financial contributor to TAA is posted on VNNF, and you damn well know it. And there are close to 200 already. You're a deliberate liar. Some on here like Intrepid, Pixi, Anchorage Alaska and others familiar with VNNF, know you lied here. Intrepid, if he would but won't, could expose your lying, disingenuine ass big time.



Morris Dees and the SPLC love to play catch with various Klan sects too. They showcase people like Glenn Miller in their propaganda to shakedown the little old Jewish ladies for money. Then they go around and hold you up as a representative of white racialism in America in order to con people into thinking we are all people like you.


ROUNDER: Like all effective big lies, your's above contains a element of truth. Big lies are not believed unless they do. Yes, Dees, the SPLC, et.al., showcase the lesser sophisticated WNs in order to bilk money from their contributors. But they also showcase Duke, Black, Linder, Miller and other effective WNs. What Dees and SPLC do not showcase are kike-alike apologists for the jews like you. As anyone who monitors their websites know well.



Why don't you tell us about the time you went for a joy ride with Morris Dees?[/QUOTE


ROUNDER: Be delighted to, just like the dozens of other times I've told it on the internet. The complete details are contained in my book, "A White Man Speaks Out", on my website: www.whitepatriotparty.com. Go read it so you'll know what the hell you're talking about.

[Anima Eternae]

I hope VNN isn't online anytime soon...I don't want Miller to leave yet! :(

[Anchorage Activist]

ROUNDER: Kike-alike, you cast suspicions on groups you don't like by questioning the funding. The screen names of every financial contributor to TAA is posted on VNNF, and you damn well know it. And there are close to 200 already. You're a deliberate liar. Some on here like Intrepid, Pixi, Anchorage Alaska and others familiar with VNNF, know you lied here. Intrepid, if he would but won't, could expose your lying, disingenuine ass big time.

I can vouch for this. During every TAA distribution campaign, Glenn Miller posts updates on funding and contributors on a daily basis, in the designated threads.

More commentary on the SPLC is in order. Do not trust the SPLC. Look at the way they do business. They do not use the civil justice system to obtain reasonable redress. They use the civil justice system to target and disenfranchise influential people whom they dislike. This is a perversion of justice. If you want to know the straight skinny on the SPLC, you really need to view a special report posted by Reverend Fred Phelps on his Westboro Baptist Church website. Here's the link:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20051211_morris-dees-splc.pdf

Even if you think the fundamental rhetoric of the website is a bit excessive, at least read the report.

[Fade the Butcher]

If any posts are in need of modturdation, it is the last ~4 pages of this thread.

Light flaming and off-topic posts are allowed in Loungetown, Jay. We were thinking of you.

[Fade the Butcher]

ROUNDER: Kike-alike, you cast suspicions on groups you don't like by questioning the funding. The screen names of every financial contributor to TAA is posted on VNNF, and you damn well know it. And there are close to 200 already. You're a deliberate liar. Some on here like Intrepid, Pixi, Anchorage Alaska and others familiar with VNNF, know you lied here. Intrepid, if he would but won't, could expose your lying, disingenuine ass big time.

Is it safe to say that there are contributors to TAA that are not members of VNN Forum and would thus not have screen names there? You indicated that there were such anonymous contributors in one of your previous posts. If you are saying this is not the case, then are you admitting that TAA project is a self esteem circle jerk to make you feel better about yourselves? If there have been anonymous contributions, then how do you know they are not of the nature I have described? Sulla was so impressed by your performance on television that he was considering cutting you a check.

ROUNDER: Like all effective big lies, your's above contains a element of truth. Big lies are not believed unless they do. Yes, Dees, the SPLC, et.al., showcase the lesser sophisticated WNs in order to bilk money from their contributors.

This would include you, right?

But they also showcase Duke, Black, Linder, Miller and other effective WNs.

Wait a minute. Are you saying here that you are not one of the less sophisticated WNs?

What Dees and SPLC do not showcase are kike-alike apologists for the jews like you. As anyone who monitors their websites know well.

It is unlikely Morris Dees has ever heard of me. I would like to keep things that way. Such publicity would hinder my career prospects.

ROUNDER: Be delighted to, just like the dozens of other times I've told it on the internet. The complete details are contained in my book, "A White Man Speaks Out", on my website: www.whitepatriotparty.com (http://www.whitepatriotparty.com). Go read it so you'll know what the hell you're talking about.

Paste here.

[Jaybird]

Light flaming and off-topic posts are allowed in Loungetown, Jay. We were thinking of you.
Not 4 pages of it, at least not when I was Sheriff. It was all moved to the Opposition Forum or the Jewlag.

[Glenn Miller]

I can vouch for this. During every TAA distribution campaign, Glenn Miller posts updates on funding and contributors on a daily basis, in the designated threads.

More commentary on the SPLC is in order. Do not trust the SPLC. Look at the way they do business. They do not use the civil justice system to obtain reasonable redress. They use the civil justice system to target and disenfranchise influential people whom they dislike. This is a perversion of justice. If you want to know the straight skinny on the SPLC, you really need to view a special report posted by Reverend Fred Phelps on his Westboro Baptist Church website. Here's the link:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20051211_morris-dees-splc.pdf

Even if you think the fundamental rhetoric of the website is a bit excessive, at least read the report.

Damn excellent expose of Dees and the SPLC, A.A. All serious WNs ought to read it. The SPLC is simply another anti-White arm of the jews, and with a jew-faggot at it's head.

But getting back to pompous, anonymous Fade, you'll notice how disingenuine he is. For example, he knows damn well I'm no government agent, but yet he constantly calls me one. He knows I run a fool-proof financial accounting and disclosure system for TAA, but yet he casts doubts inside the minds of those not informed. He calls me a traitor to WN, but yet he doesn't believe I am for a second. Etc, etc, etc.

To Fade, telling truths and getting by with lies, are one and the same. In his mind, there is no difference.

His treatment of fellow posters are not dependant upon agreement or disagreement with what they say, but rather how much they kiss up to him.

Finally, he's backed his own ass into a corner with his notorious record of jew-apologizings and for him to ever admit he's been an accomplice of the jews for doing so, would be to lose every single shred of credibility he's ever had. Therefore, he never will, and will instead continue even if it means lying to himself indefinately.

That's the kinda low-life, pompous, spoiled lil rich kid, and piece of lying shit he is. There's absolutely no hope for him.

[A. Radek]

Then after Intrepid's subsequent posting of Dayan book quotes, you became silent on the subject. Intrepid kicked yo ass, and you slunk away with your tails between your legs.


Yes, Intrepid's stunning revelations were a spectacular setback for us Zionists. Who knew the goys would read the bios of our fearless leaders and expose us like that? Keep pointing it out; it damages us no end, and certainly enhances your stature as one hell of a Jew wise hombre.

[Fade the Butcher]

But getting back to pompous, anonymous Fade, you'll notice how disingenuine he is.

I'm not engaged in internet activism. Why should any rational White Nationalist give out personal information to someone who once turned states evidence against his own comrades and goes on joy rides with Morris Dees?

For example, he knows damn well I'm no government agent, but yet he constantly calls me one.

I honestly don't know whether or not you are a government agent. I'm agnostic on that issue. OTOH, it may interest you to know that I work for the government now, but not in the sense you once did as an informant and a mercenary.

He knows I run a fool-proof financial accounting and disclosure system for TAA, but yet he casts doubts inside the minds of those not informed.

Why don't you answer my simple question? Have anonymous contributions been made to TAA project? Yes or no. If yes, then how do you know the people who are sending you money aren't of the same stripe as Sulla and Oberon?

He calls me a traitor to WN, but yet he doesn't believe I am for a second. Etc, etc, etc.

Isn't that what Lindstedt and the former members of The Order called you? Traitor Glenn Miller? Lindstedt knows you personally, right? He has met you in real life. I would imagine he has reasons for calling you a traitor. I'm assuming here it has something to do with the federal witness protection program.

To Fade, telling truths and getting by with lies, are one and the same. In his mind, there is no difference.

Where have I lied about you?

His treatment of fellow posters are not dependant upon agreement or disagreement with what they say, but rather how much they kiss up to him.

If that was the case, then il ragno would be the last person I would want hanging around this forum.

Finally, he's backed his own ass into a corner with his notorious record of jew-apologizings and for him to ever admit he's been an accomplice of the jews for doing so, would be to lose every single shred of credibility he's ever had.

Jewish organizations like the ADL are thrilled to have fringe elements like you out there doing their duty work for them. Sulla and Oberon can hardly be considered any friends of racialism. They think are you doing a great job. How do you respond to that?

Therefore, he never will, and will instead continue even if it means lying to himself indefinately.

What lies are these? Several posters have made the comment that you fathered a multiracial child and turned states evidence against the former members of The Order? Is any of this false?

That's the kinda low-life, pompous, spoiled lil rich kid, and piece of lying shit he is. There's absolutely no hope for him.

Why don't you post the details over here about your little joy ride with Morris Dees?

[Fade the Butcher]

Glenn Miller, the Great White Hero OR Beware of the Return of a Traitor!

by Richard Scutari, Member of The Order and currently a POW of JOG

The lack of testicle fortitude to be found in the White Racial Movement never ceases to amaze me. My amazement was given another jolt recently when a kinsman wrote and asked me what I thought of Glenn Miller. Included with his letter was a ten page item he'd pulled off the Internet's VNN Forum titled " my vision for VNN-July 2005. " While reading these 10 pages my stomach started doing flips and I could actually feel the slaps hitting my face as I realized how much Bob Matthew's death, my sacrifices, and the sacrifices of others who stood strong were being denigrated. Glenn Miller's vision calls for a White Pride Day gatherings and a VNN White Political Conference to be held in Missouri sometime in July 2005. Miller actually had the audacity to call cowards any of those hesitant to attend. Miller calling someone else a coward, now that is a joke.

Anyone involved with the movement for over 15 years is familiar with Miller's story. It is only their cowardice that allows Miller to get away with making a comeback in the movement. For those of you who are new to the movement, what follows will fill you in on Miller's story.

In the early 1980's, Miller operated a small Organization called the White Patriot Party (WPP). He and his WPP eventually came to the attention of the Order and contact was made to feel him out. It was decided to bring Miller and his Organization under the Orders wing as one of our aboveground legals. Miller was to be developed into our top aboveground legal in this Southeast. Miller was very receptive to the Orders goals, especially the one where by means of the carrot and the stick all racial organizations in the Southeast would eventually be forced under his leadership. Around August of 1984, Miller was given a voice stress analyzer to use on his members and $ 250,000.00/00 in cash for operational expenses. With financial help from the Order, Miller was able to build WPP into one of the largest organizations in the country. During the big Order trial in Seattle, Miller was holding parades in North Carolina numbering up to a 1.000 marches all wearing camouflage clothes and carrying a sign at the head of the column which read " We Love The Order."

It wasn't long after this that ZOG started putting pressure on Miller. He ended up going underground with his two lieutenants, Robert Jackson and Doug Sheets. While underground, Miller penned his declaration of War against ZOG. Shortly after putting his declaration in the mail, he and his lieutenants were surrounded in a trailer where they eventually surrendered. In the trailer were several fully automatic weapons. This alone was enough to put Miller away for a minimum of 20 years.

So far Miller's story sounds pretty good, but things do have a tendency to change when weak people finally get tested. In October 1986, the FBI came to visit me at the medium-security prison where I was housed. because of my extensive travels with Bob Mathews, ZOG felt that I could supply key information on several movement leaders who allegedly received Order money. I was offered my freedom from prison if I would cooperate and testify at the Denver and Ft. Smith grand juries and the subsequent trials. To further sweeten the pot, I was told they would help make me a leader in the movement. I refused to cooperate which cost me hole time, phony escape charges being put on me, and a transfer to a max-security prison.

Unlike me when Glenn Miller was offered a deal, he accepted it. Instead of serving 20 or more years in a max-security prison, Miller served only a few years in a cushy minimum security joint and he is now making his comeback as a leader. Miller testified against both of his lieutenants at their trial at which they both received a 20- year sentence to be served at a max security prison.

Next Miller testified for the government, at our 1988 sedition trial in Ft. Smith, Ark. He gave testimony against movement leaders Louis Beam, Robert Miles, and Pastor Butler, all who allegedly were Order legals. Five Order members (Andrew Barnhill, David Lane, Artie McBrearity, Bruce Pierce, and myself) were also defendants at this trial. Miller testified against all of us except for Bruce Pierce, whom Miller never met.

Today Miller's funding comes from his ZOG handlers; but back in the 1980's it was all Order money which made him and the WPP so successful; ergo, Miller had a lot to rat on concerning us, including his invention that Bob Mathews and I discussed with him our future plans to assassinate Morris the Sleaze Dees. Glenn Miller wrote a self-aggrandizing book in which he touts himself as a great White hero and leader. The truth of the matter is, he peed his hands when ZOG put pressure on him and betrayed those who trusted him. Miller is nothing more than a coward and a rat. Of course, he left his betrayal out of his book, but now you know the full story about him. I highly recommend that you avoid anyone or any Organization that refuses to shun Glenn...The Rat Miller. Such individuals or organizations have no sense of security and could care less if you end up here in prison with me.

The information on rat Miller is going out to all. It will be interesting to make note of which individuals of influence beyond, which movement organizations give their support to Millers Vision of July 2005 or any of his other endeavors. Regardless of how good Miller's white rhetoric may sound, it does not change the fact that he has proven himself to be an enemy of our 14 Word Cause. All who side with Miller are giving aid and comfort to a proven enemy of our 14 Word Cause. To Hell with Miller and to Hell with them. Our night of the Long Knives will be a busy one.

Currently, you can write White Warrior Hero Richard Scutari at:

Richard Scutari, 34840-080
US Penitentiatry - Max
PO Box 85005
Florence, CO 81226-8500

[Anchorage Activist]

VNN is an entertaining forum because it is extreme, but it is also a very "politically correct" forum, is a reverse sort of way.

For a forum that has the jewish question as the central theme, no serious discussion of jews is allowed there.

Your remark requires clarification. We do not permit "serious discussion of the Jews" in Activism Threads. Activism Threads are not designed for philosophical discussions. Their purpose is strictly "faith-promoting", to allow people to report on their WN activities and to discuss the value of such activities, as well as to brainstorm additional forms of activism. In other words, the purpose of an Activism Thread is discuss how to name the Jew most effectively, NOT to discuss whether or not to name the Jew.

This distinction is in the same tradition as the tradition here at the Phora to confine "lowbrow" discussions to the Lounge.

At the same time, perhaps we at VNN could better define what constitutes an Activism Thread. Perhaps Activism Threads can be highlighted with a different color to prevent misunderstandings. Perhaps antis and skeptics should not be restricted solely to opposition, but could also be granted access to the Nutzpah Lounge in the future.

[Kodos]

Archie Bunker was a character created by jew TV producer Norman Lear, for the purpose of falsely stereotyping White middle and lower income White men who resisted forced racial integration, as stupid, unreasonable, silly racist bigots.

Norman Lear and co did research into this and found( to their great distress) the vast majority of people who watched the show agreed with Archie Bunker.

[Keystone]

Archie Bunker was a character created by jew TV producer Norman Lear, for the purpose of falsely stereotyping White middle and lower income White men who resisted forced racial integration, as stupid, unreasonable, silly racist bigots.

Norman Lear and co did research into this and found( to their great distress) the vast majority of people who watched the show agreed with Archie Bunker.
I remember the first time it aired. My dad nearly split a gut laughing. No one thought it was that special, though....just very funny. Everyone around was a racist already.

It was like your favorite uncle made it to TV.

[Intrepid]

Hey Fade, above are your comments regarding charges that "All in the Family" was jewish propaganda designed to promote race-mixing.

It's quite obvious you tried to deny the charges.

Then after Intrepid's subsequent posting of Dayan book quotes, you became silent on the subject. Intrepid kicked yo ass, and you slunk away with your tails between your legs.

How bout it Intrepid, am I right ???

No one denied the obvious propagandistic elements of AITF, Miller. I don't think I disagreed with what Fade, Ragno, Jay or anyone said in this thread. The only one tit-for-tat I found amusing was this:

Originally Posted by Emperor_Palpatine
He's trying to wake up the larger army of blue collar whites who are much more repsonsive and reactive to the tabloid style approach of TAA than the more refined approach of AR.

I think Archie Bunker would be repulsed by VNN.


Originally Posted by Anchorage Activist
Disagree. I remember the All In The Family sitcoms, and Archie used much of the same syntax and expressed many of the same concepts.(bold added)

Now that is funny in plenty of ways, no?

Regardless of Lear's political designs, he made shows that were profitable and popular, as well. It they didn't fulfill the latter, he would've never had the opportunity to employ the former.

[Intrepid]

He does remind me of that guy in Falling Down yes.

The character in Falling Down was an aerospace engineer from SoCal who flipped out, if memory serves. I don't see the correlation, as I'd compare Miller to the Army Surplus proprietor in the movie, who actually repulsed Michael Douglas' character.

[Intrepid]

ROUNDER: Both the SPLC and ADL have me listed as their enemies, and so does every other anti-White organization, both government and private.

You know why they do this, don't you? Are they to garner more in donations from Hanna Weintraub in Queens, NYC, from using you - a vitriolic man who's prone to delusions of mass murder or, for example, the late Samuel Francis, who was erudite, scholarly and polished in the discussion of race in America?

Who's gonna make Mo and Abe more coin, Miller? Poster boy Miller, or poster boy Francis?

[Jaybird]

as I'd compare Miller to the Army Surplus proprietor in the movie, who actually repulsed Michael Douglas' character.
That's who Charlie was talkin' about.

[Anchorage Activist]

No one denied the obvious propagandistic elements of AITF, Miller. I don't think I disagreed with what Fade, Ragno, Jay or anyone said in this thread. The only one tit-for-tat I found amusing was this:


Disagree. I remember the All In The Family sitcoms, and Archie used much of the same syntax and expressed many of the same concepts.(bold added)

Now that is funny in plenty of ways, no?

Funny and effective. And just as All In The Family took off, so TAA has also taken off, with a target distribution of 100,000 copies for TAA-4. As Glenn Miller pointed out, around 300 people have contributed towards TAA.

[Keystone]

Funny and effective. And just as All In The Family took off, so TAA has also taken off, with a target distribution of 100,000 copies for TAA-4. As Glenn Miller pointed out, around 300 people have contributed towards TAA.
Who's reading them? Not many new people signing up at VNNF because of it.

Why don't they sink more money into Linder's website? Damn thing looks like Netscape 2.0 vintage. Why bother with paper at all? Blogging reaches millions of people.

[Intrepid]

[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]You don't seem to understand that what you are doing isn't advancing WN. If your activism was so great and wonderful, then it would be embraced and applauded by the WN movement. It isn't. That is why discussions about VNN are censored at SF. The mainstream WN movement doesn't want to be associated with VNN. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the money that goes to fund TAA comes from anti-racists who are delighted to see it being circulated.


ROUNDER: Kike-alike, you cast suspicions on groups you don't like by questioning the funding. The screen names of every financial contributor to TAA is posted on VNNF, and you damn well know it. And there are close to 200 already. You're a deliberate liar. Some on here like Intrepid, Pixi, Anchorage Alaska and others familiar with VNNF, know you lied here. Intrepid, if he would but won't, could expose your lying, disingenuine ass big time.


It's true, from the little I've paid attention to, you've been very upfront in the financial donations for your paper. Nothing wrong with that, it's sensible, as any little infraction would be used against you. That doesn't, however, mean you personally know all of your contributors. Therefore, at least theoretically, donations could be coming from antifas, too. The crude nature of the publication is smiled upon with glee by your oppenents, secretly, as it proves their point about the unstable, crass nature of racists in America.

[leondegrance]

Your remark requires clarification. We do not permit "serious discussion of the Jews" in Activism Threads. Activism Threads are not designed for philosophical discussions. Their purpose is strictly "faith-promoting", to allow people to report on their WN activities and to discuss the value of such activities, as well as to brainstorm additional forms of activism. In other words, the purpose of an Activism Thread is discuss how to name the Jew most effectively, NOT to discuss whether or not to name the Jew.

This distinction is in the same tradition as the tradition here at the Phora to confine "lowbrow" discussions to the Lounge.

At the same time, perhaps we at VNN could better define what constitutes an Activism Thread. Perhaps Activism Threads can be highlighted with a different color to prevent misunderstandings. Perhaps antis and skeptics should not be restricted solely to opposition, but could also be granted access to the Nutzpah Lounge in the future.

I'm not referring to the "activist" threads, but any thread on VNN.

VNN will always be a fringe, irrelevant movement simply because its premise in not factual, and anyone with an IQ above 70 can see that. Its main core with always be unstable, irrational individuals.

Since 911 the government has given itself broad powers to combat "terrorism". Miller is constantly trying to get VNN'ers to jump on the Al-queada bandwagon. The Feds could simply declare VNN'ers as "terrorists" and the hammer could drop. Miller is probably still working for the Feds.

[Pixi]

Not 4 pages of it, at least not when I was Sheriff. It was all moved to the Opposition Forum or the Jewlag.
I'd be tempted to toss it into Helmets and Hip Boots, but that's just me.

[Anchorage Activist]

I'm not referring to the "activist" threads, but any thread on VNN.

VNN will always be a fringe, irrelevant movement simply because its premise in not factual, and anyone with an IQ above 70 can see that. Its main core with always be unstable, irrational individuals.

Since 911 the government has given itself broad powers to combat "terrorism". Miller is constantly trying to get VNN'ers to jump on the Al-queada bandwagon. The Feds could simply declare VNN'ers as "terrorists" and the hammer could drop. Miller is probably still working for the Feds.

I see I must clarify my original post. My main point was that not all threads on VNN are intended for unrestricted access.

I disagree with your second statement. Core players like Alex Linder, Antiochus Epiphanus, Brutus, Rob Roy MacGregor, John A. Flynn, and Pixi are rational, stable, well-educated individuals. If VNN was up you could verify this through the quality of their posts. Glenn Miller has a military background, and this reflects in his approach and syntax. He identifies with Muslims because they are confronting the Jew. There are a group of flamers but they are not as influential as you might think. As a matter of fact, VNN has been moderating flamers more rigorously; someone named Lisa was recently banned for a year due to excessive flaming, even though she was not an anti.

Furthermore, I see no evidence that Glenn Miller is currently an informant. He exhibits none of the classical signs. He does nothing illegal and does not advocate illegal activity. There is a difference between merely wishing for someone's death, which is legal, vs. expressing the specific intent to cause someone's death, which is illegal.

[Fade the Butcher]

Its main core with always be unstable, irrational individuals.

http://www.splcenter.org/images/dynamic/intel/report/30/ir116_vanbiber_200x235.jpg

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=840

Todd Vanbiber


Authorities caught Todd Vanbiber just in time. In April 1997, Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, was planning to detonate 14 pipe bombs on major routes in Orlando, Fla. The explosives were designed to divert attention from two bank robberies Vanbiber and his comrades were planning in Orlando.

But as Vanbiber was tinkering in his storage shed with the bombs, one exploded in his face. When police responded, Vanbiber was arrested on explosive charges.

Vanbiber initially claimed the bomb-making was merely a hobby, but he later pleaded guilty. Sentenced to more than 60 years, Vanbiber drastically reduced his prison time by testifying against his accomplices, including another National Alliance member, Brian Donald Pickett, a security guard who'd committed robberies with Vanbiber before.

After one of the earlier robberies, Vanbiber told authorities that he and Pickett stopped at the National Alliance headquarters in West Virginia, purchased $700 worth of books, and donated $1,000 to the organization. Since his release in March 2002, Vanbiber has regularly offered advice on stocks and other topics on the neo-Nazi VNN Forum. Commenting on the schoolhouse terrorism in Russia in September, Vanbiber made it clear that his neo-Nazi ardor has not dissipated: "At least now people are hip to muslim terrorism and will start to target muslims no matter what side they are on. .... They need to be killed. All of them. After that the jew will have no one to blame and we can start on them."

[leondegrance]

Furthermore, I see no evidence that Glenn Miller is currently an informant. He exhibits none of the classical signs. He does nothing illegal and does not advocate illegal activity. There is a difference between merely wishing for someone's death, which is legal, vs. expressing the specific intent to cause someone's death, which is illegal.

If Miller was an informant in the past (irrefutable evidence), what makes you think he will not be an informant in the future? He is shunned by every WN org, except VNN.

[Intrepid]

I see I must clarify my original post. My main point was that not all threads on VNN are intended for unrestricted access.

I disagree with your second statement. Core players like Alex Linder, Antiochus Epiphanus, Brutus, Rob Roy MacGregor, John A. Flynn, and Pixi are rational, stable, well-educated individuals.

Thanks for the chuckle, AA. I don't care what they say 'bout you, your comedic skills are well intact, even if other areas of your online persona aren't.

[Anchorage Activist]

If Miller was an informant in the past (irrefutable evidence), what makes you think he will not be an informant in the future? He is shunned by every WN org, except VNN.

What makes you think he will? We're not talking about pedophilia here, you know.:rolleyes:

[Anchorage Activist]

Thanks for the chuckle, AA. I don't care what they say 'bout you, your comedic skills are well intact, even if other areas of your online persona aren't.

Brutus' graphics are the envy of the forum, and his discourse is civil and restrained compared to many on that board.

[Intrepid]

http://www.splcenter.org/images/dynamic/intel/report/30/ir116_vanbiber_200x235.jpg

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=840

Todd Vanbiber

Since his release in March 2002, Vanbiber has regularly offered advice on stocks and other topics on the neo-Nazi VNN Forum.


*lol* Ammo face is a multi-faceted chap, at the very least.

The slap on the wrist he received, a mere three years for bomb making, robbing banks and Rahowa, is on par with Miller's pittance of time served for his declarations of war. Then again, playing ball with the feds has its rewards.

[Intrepid]

Brutus' graphics are the envy of the forum, and his discourse is civil and restrained compared to many on that board.

Envy? Prey tell, who is envious of the diseased mind and poisoned pen of Brutus? Quite frankly, his discourse is best confined to areas with substantial padding, lest he harm himself or others in his immediate vicinity.

Please tell me you're not serious here? While we're at it, perhaps you'd answer my previous query I'd directed towards to you:

Another thing for you, as you've brought up Miller's last pouting session: do you not find it ironic for Miller being able to pontificate his insults here against the owner of the board, as well as others, whom he had banned at VNNF?

[Anchorage Activist]

*lol* Ammo face is a multi-faceted chap, at the very least.

The slap on the wrist he received, a mere three years for bomb making, robbing banks and Rahowa, is on par with Miller's pittance of time served for his declarations of war. Then again, playing ball with the feds has its rewards.

It's easy to speculate on what we would have done until we're confronted with the actual situation.

I don't know as much about Todd's situation as I do about Glenn Miller's situation, but perhaps you ought to consider that Miller has a wife and kids to feed and cannot do that very well serving a 20-year stretch. They don't pay you $20 per hour for weed-whacking on a chain gang.;)

Furthermore, the Fort Smith defendants were acquitted. That means no one either went to jail or got additional time served because of Miller's testimony. Did it occur to you that Miller may have controlled his testimony enough to induce reasonable doubt in that jury? Of course, if he did, he can never say so publicly or he would risk being hit with an obstruction of justice charge. In any event, I'm inclined to give people like Glenn and Todd a second chance, since they're back in the cause again, unlike real traitors like Tom Martinez and "Mr. Fuehrer-Ex" himself, Ingo Hasselbach.

If you're so interested in the welfare of the Order, why not "send them some freaking money" instead of bashing Glenn Miller. That would probably help them more:

http://www.freetheorder.org

[Keystone]

Envy? Prey tell, who is envious of the diseased mind and poisoned pen of Brutus? Quite frankly, his discourse is best confined to areas with substantial padding, lest he harm himself or others in his immediate vicinity.
Brutus draws the cartoons, right? LOL. He can never answer a direct, honest question from the opposition. I 've tried. GM has to butt in and declare what a great paperboy he is and the case is closed.

[Anchorage Activist]

Envy? Prey tell, who is envious of the diseased mind and poisoned pen of Brutus? Quite frankly, his discourse is best confined to areas with substantial padding, lest he harm himself or others in his immediate vicinity.

Please tell me you're not serious here? While we're at it, perhaps you'd answer my previous query I'd directed towards to you:
Another thing for you, as you've brought up Miller's last pouting session: do you not find it ironic for Miller being able to pontificate his insults here against the owner of the board, as well as others, whom he had banned at VNNF?

Perhaps I either missed it or thought it was directed towards someone else. The fact is, I think it's pretty decent for Fade the Butcher to allow Glenn Miller to post at will on here despite the fact that he was banned at VNN, and I think it would be entirely appropriate, once VNN is back up, to consider giving him an "amnesty" and either modify or vacate the ban altogether. This would be the Aryan thing to do, however, this is not my decision to make.

In your case, your ban was for a month, and by the time VNN's back up, it will be redundant.

Since I don't know the circumstances surrounding anyone else who was banned, I cannot state an informed opinion.

P.S. Are you jealous of Brutus' artistic talents?:D

[Intrepid]

It's easy to speculate on what we would have done until we're confronted with the actual situation.

I don't know as much about Todd's situation as I do about Glenn Miller's situation, but perhaps you ought to consider that Miller has a wife and kids to feed and cannot do that very well serving a 20-year stretch. They don't pay you $20 per hour for weed-whacking on a chain gang.;)

Who's speculating on anyone's moral compass here? I wasn't, that's for certain.

Did it occur to you that Miller may have controlled his testimony enough to induce reasonable doubt in that jury? .[/B]

Color me crazy, but I'd venture to bet Miller would have difficulty swaying a jury to his repulsive worldview. It is much more likely, as evidenced by his infamous Researcher letter, that he'd of sold his own mother down the river if it would've lightened his sentence. A three year term of imprisonment is hardly commensurate with a declaration of war against your very own government, no?

If you're so interested in the welfare of the Order, why not "send them some freaking money" instead of bashing Glenn Miller. That would probably help them more:


Where did I say I was concerned with the well-being of the Order? I'm not, as I consider them to be on a similar moral plane as Miller. Are you a fan of these crazy bankrobbers?

Miller's crass, semi-literate commentary, which you - seemingly - have not one iota of problem with, deserves rebuttal. Mine is simply a tad more colorful than others. In reality, I was merely commenting on the very diminutive sentences they each received. You know, their respective crimes were hardly in line with their light sentencing. Don't you think?

[Intrepid]

Perhaps I either missed it or thought it was directed towards someone else. The fact is, I think it's pretty decent for Fade the Butcher to allow Glenn Miller to post at will on here despite the fact that he was banned at VNN, and I think it would be entirely appropriate, once VNN is back up, to consider giving him an "amnesty" and either modify or vacate the ban altogether. This would be the Aryan thing to do, however, this is not my decision to make.

In your case, your ban was for a month, and by the time VNN's back up, it will be redundant.

Since I don't know the circumstances surrounding anyone else who was banned, I cannot state an informed opinion.


Fair enough.

P.S. Are you jealous of Brutus' artistic talents?:D

Yes, they're dandy. Is my envy that apparent? I've always had a penchant for art that would've made Julius Streicher blush, you know.

[Keystone]

Color me crazy, but I'd venture to bet Miller would have difficulty swaying a jury to his repulsive worldview. It is much more likely, as evidenced by his infamous Researcher letter, that he'd of sold his own mother down the river if it would've lightened his sentence. A three year term of imprisonment is hardly commensurate with a declaration of war against your very own government, no?
When the chips were down, " the movement" took a back seat. Not surprising. What the hell is "the movement" anyway? Miller knew the truth even then and did the best for himself.
Miller's crass, semi-literate commentary, which you - seemingly - have not one iota of problem with, deserves rebuttal. Mine is simply a tad more colorful than others. In reality, I was merely commenting on the very diminutive sentences they each received. You know, their respective crimes were hardly in line with their light sentencing. Don't you think?
Funny, that. Folks get more for passing bad checks.

[Intrepid]

Funny, that. Folks get more for passing bad checks.

True. My point exactly.

[Anchorage Activist]

Color me crazy, but I'd venture to bet Miller would have difficulty swaying a jury to his repulsive worldview. It is much more likely, as evidenced by his infamous Researcher letter, that he'd of sold his own mother down the river if it would've lightened his sentence. A three year term of imprisonment is hardly commensurate with a declaration of war against your very own government, no?

I would have equally ventured to bet that O.J. Simpson would have had difficulty swaying a jury to believe he didn't butcher Nicole Simpson, despite cuts found on his hand and a slow-speed suicidal chase providing strong circumstantial evidence, but we all know how that turned out.:rolleyes:

Perhaps his light sentence was ALSO a result of his previous standing in the community. No prior felonies, a family man, an honorably-retired veteran. I don't think any of the Order members had that going for them.

Where did I say I was concerned with the well-being of the Order? I'm not, as I consider them to be on a similar moral plane as Miller. Are you a fan of these crazy bankrobbers?

Actually, I was being mostly facetious. But you keep complaining about him being an informer, and so do they, so....I thought maybe you just might want to put your money where your mouth is.;)

Miller's crass, semi-literate commentary, which you - seemingly - have not one iota of problem with, deserves rebuttal. Mine is simply a tad more colorful than others. In reality, I was merely commenting on the very diminutive sentences they each received. You know, their respective crimes were hardly in line with their light sentencing. Don't you think?

This is one of those occasions where the end may justify the means. Glenn's style and activism have earned him countless media appearances which publicize the cause. In today's "sound-bite" culture, it takes style to get on T.V., like it or not. No. the publicity is sometimes negative, and even if people go to VNN and are repulsed, a seed might be planted. They may end up at Stormfront or National Vanguard. To paraphrase a recent T.V. commercial, "if you can't get your racism from us, at least get it somewhere".

Sometimes people plead guilty to lesser offenses to get lesser punishment. If you read Glenn Miller's book, you'll note that he didn't have the resources to get truly effective counsel. The others refused to plead guilty, even though they did the crimes, and so the system hammered them. Like it or not, that's the way it works.

[Anchorage Activist]

Yes, they're dandy. Is my envy that apparent? I've always had a penchant for art that would've made Julius Streicher blush, you know.

Well, hell, don't let me stop you. Better get down to the local art store right now and get those paints and brushes before it closes.:D

[leondegrance]

Sometimes people plead guilty to lesser offenses to get lesser punishment. If you read Glenn Miller's book, you'll note that he didn't have the resources to get truly effective counsel. The others refused to plead guilty, even though they did the crimes, and so the system hammered them. Like it or not, that's the way it works.

Do you honestly believe Miller is not retarded?

[Meursault]

Do you honestly believe Miller is not retarded?

Perhaps the reason he doesn't like Fade is because if Fade were to come to power in this country, he wouldn't allow Miller to reproduce.

God knows what would be done about that Polynesian daughter...

[Anchorage Activist]

Do you honestly believe Miller is not retarded?

Ever hear of the phrase "crazy like a fox"?:p

No, someone who doesn't believe in mainstream culture and philosophy cannot be characterized as "retarded". This is a Soviet concept that they used in the former Soviet Union to repress dissent. Even now there's a move afoot to characterize homophobia as a mental illness. Don't fall for this trap.

[Fade the Butcher]

The slap on the wrist he received, a mere three years for bomb making, robbing banks and Rahowa, is on par with Miller's pittance of time served for his declarations of war. Then again, playing ball with the feds has its rewards.

Birds of a feather flock together.