Leif
02-09-2006, 10:56 PM
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/lenin-trotsky.html
I found this website to be very interesting. It combines a number of viewpoints and essays. NOTE- What I have copied here is only ONE of many essays/writings on the website. They are all informative.
(4) Letter to Israel Shamir & Henry Makow
4.1 Henry Makow writes that the "Enlightenment" is actually a Luciferian Revolt: http://www.etherzone.com/2003/mako090803.shtml.
4.2 Israel Shamir wrote:
[shamireaders] Discussion on Communism
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:36:03 +0300 From: "Israel Shamir" <shamir@home.se>
Preface
Our friend anti-Zionist Henry Makow promoted on his site [url]http://www.savethemales.ca[/url] a book by an Estonian writer Juri Lina who happened to combine hatred to Jews, Christianity and Communism. Lina wrote: "Both Christianity and Marxism were created with a view to slavery" - that is really Hitlerite line that any neo-con would subscribe to. I actually share his idea of similarity of 'Christians and Communists', and belong to both. But what he curses, I bless daily in the church.
For whatever was its conception, the Communism as it became known in the second half of the 20th century was a wonderful humanistic faith of mutual support, heavily influenced by the Orthodox Christianity of Russia. Many anti-communist theories and 'facts' are provided in order to facilitate the great robbery of Russia in 1991 and the rest of the Third World. Lina collected all garbage produced by CIA- paid anticommunists of Russia. Otherwise, he reprocessed the old stuff well known to all of us.
As for Jews, by stretching this term to infinity (from Proudhon to Torquemada, from Lenin to Robespierre, and to practically every non-Estonian) he makes it meaningless. In no way one can desribe Lenin or Marx as 'Jews'. Marx was a Christian, and a strongest anti-Jewish voice from St Paul to modernity, Lenin was a Russian noble and a (lapsed) Christian, who fought the Jewish Bund and was shot by a Jewish assassin. If a few drops of Jewish blood would qualify for calling a man - a Jew, we would have a billion of Jews. ... {endquote}
4.3 Juri Lina's book - reply to Henry Makow and Israel Shamir
Israel & Henry,
I have a copy of Juri Lina's book Under the Sign of the Scorpion, and find it a mixture of valuable information I did not know before, and unsubstantiated statements. I would like to see it rewritten, with the latter either backed-up or removed.
Making sense of the Soviet Union and East Bloc has become more important that we thought 10 years ago. My websitesite, while not comprehensive, provides a lot of "missing" information about the stages the USSR went through.
1. The early, pre-Stalin, phase, was set up by Non-Theistic Jews. I provide verification of this from reliable sources. See the information provided above, and zioncom.html.
Non-theistic Judaism is a religion, a variation of Judaism: philos.html.
When I say that they were Jews, this is not a matter of blood, but of their own personal Identity - they way they saw things. That can change over time. No-one should be categorised, judged or imprisoned by factors he or she did not choose, such as ancestry or the name given by parents.
There's no point in denying it; however, interpreting it is another matter.
One interpretation might stress "benevolence": this faction of Jews is ruling for the benefit of the lower orders. Another interpretation stresses "malevolence": the hijacking of the socialist movement for their own totalitarian purposes.
2. Stalin rose to power for a number of reasons:
- because the Red Army's attempt in 1920 to smash Poland and reach Germany failed
- because Trotsky was feared by other Jewish Bolsheviks. When Lenin died, power passed to a triumvirate: Kamenev, Zinoviev, Stalin. Of these, Stalin was the only non-Jew
- because Trotsky did not attend Lenin's funeral
- and perhaps, because of hostility to Jewish domination; this factor increased later
3. Stalin was brutal, but his brutality was, in part, directed against the non-theistic Jewish Bolsheviks ... who in time, came to reassess Trotsky and coalesce around him as the rival leader, the exiled pretender to the throne. Thus Isaac Deutscher, in his book The Prophet Outcast, records Trotsky's aspiration - even in 1939 - to return to the USSR in the wake of Stalin's overthrow (Victory in Defeat: pp. 510ff).
Deuscher articulated a strong Jewish Identity: deutscher.html.
4. The plan by the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committe for a Jewish Republic in the Crimea, the Baruch Plan of 1946 for World Government, and the rallying of Soviet Jews to Israel (eg at Golda Meir's visit) affected Stalin's perception of Jewish solidarity with Jews in the US and Israel. Moscow & Jerusalem became rival centres representing divergent visions of socialism. This was an unseen Cold War: sudoplat.html.
5. Stalin was murdered, within 2 months of the Doctors Plot being announced; Zionism was one of the issues in his murder: death-of-stalin.html.
The murderers comprised a "Jewish" faction (Beria, Kaganovich et al) and a "Russian" faction (Khruschev et al). Beria, of the Jewish faction, took power, and instituted "reforms" of the type Gorbachev was to repeat later. East Germany began to collapse ... in response, the "Russian" faction was able to overthrow Beria and install Khruschev: beria.html.
6. Gorbachev seems to have removed the totalitarian aspects of Communism; on that account, he may have been the best ruler. But he was aiming at Beria's "Convergence" policy, i.e. at a World Government, a Single Civilization uniting East & West. For this, he thought he must dismantle the heritage of Stalin, including the East Bloc: convergence.html.
7. Convergence is associated, loosely, with the Trotskyist movement, which is also loosely called "Marxist Anti-Communist" (see kostel.html) and "New Left": new-left.html. The magazine New Left Review, for example, was closely attuned to the ideas of Isaac Deutscher, a champion of Trotsky.
8. Convergence is also associated with the "Open Conspiracy" for World Government: wells-lenin-league.html.
9. The kind of "Marxism" we now have in the West is the Trotskyist kind. Thus the Greens promote Gay Marriage and Open Borders. The Gay & Radical Feminist movements are following the policies of the Trotskyist period of the USSR, during which Marriage was officially abolished and homosexuality (including sodomy) normalised. Stalin re-instituted marriage, and made sodomy a crime: sex-soviet.html.
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I found this website to be very interesting. It combines a number of viewpoints and essays. NOTE- What I have copied here is only ONE of many essays/writings on the website. They are all informative.
(4) Letter to Israel Shamir & Henry Makow
4.1 Henry Makow writes that the "Enlightenment" is actually a Luciferian Revolt: http://www.etherzone.com/2003/mako090803.shtml.
4.2 Israel Shamir wrote:
[shamireaders] Discussion on Communism
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:36:03 +0300 From: "Israel Shamir" <shamir@home.se>
Preface
Our friend anti-Zionist Henry Makow promoted on his site [url]http://www.savethemales.ca[/url] a book by an Estonian writer Juri Lina who happened to combine hatred to Jews, Christianity and Communism. Lina wrote: "Both Christianity and Marxism were created with a view to slavery" - that is really Hitlerite line that any neo-con would subscribe to. I actually share his idea of similarity of 'Christians and Communists', and belong to both. But what he curses, I bless daily in the church.
For whatever was its conception, the Communism as it became known in the second half of the 20th century was a wonderful humanistic faith of mutual support, heavily influenced by the Orthodox Christianity of Russia. Many anti-communist theories and 'facts' are provided in order to facilitate the great robbery of Russia in 1991 and the rest of the Third World. Lina collected all garbage produced by CIA- paid anticommunists of Russia. Otherwise, he reprocessed the old stuff well known to all of us.
As for Jews, by stretching this term to infinity (from Proudhon to Torquemada, from Lenin to Robespierre, and to practically every non-Estonian) he makes it meaningless. In no way one can desribe Lenin or Marx as 'Jews'. Marx was a Christian, and a strongest anti-Jewish voice from St Paul to modernity, Lenin was a Russian noble and a (lapsed) Christian, who fought the Jewish Bund and was shot by a Jewish assassin. If a few drops of Jewish blood would qualify for calling a man - a Jew, we would have a billion of Jews. ... {endquote}
4.3 Juri Lina's book - reply to Henry Makow and Israel Shamir
Israel & Henry,
I have a copy of Juri Lina's book Under the Sign of the Scorpion, and find it a mixture of valuable information I did not know before, and unsubstantiated statements. I would like to see it rewritten, with the latter either backed-up or removed.
Making sense of the Soviet Union and East Bloc has become more important that we thought 10 years ago. My websitesite, while not comprehensive, provides a lot of "missing" information about the stages the USSR went through.
1. The early, pre-Stalin, phase, was set up by Non-Theistic Jews. I provide verification of this from reliable sources. See the information provided above, and zioncom.html.
Non-theistic Judaism is a religion, a variation of Judaism: philos.html.
When I say that they were Jews, this is not a matter of blood, but of their own personal Identity - they way they saw things. That can change over time. No-one should be categorised, judged or imprisoned by factors he or she did not choose, such as ancestry or the name given by parents.
There's no point in denying it; however, interpreting it is another matter.
One interpretation might stress "benevolence": this faction of Jews is ruling for the benefit of the lower orders. Another interpretation stresses "malevolence": the hijacking of the socialist movement for their own totalitarian purposes.
2. Stalin rose to power for a number of reasons:
- because the Red Army's attempt in 1920 to smash Poland and reach Germany failed
- because Trotsky was feared by other Jewish Bolsheviks. When Lenin died, power passed to a triumvirate: Kamenev, Zinoviev, Stalin. Of these, Stalin was the only non-Jew
- because Trotsky did not attend Lenin's funeral
- and perhaps, because of hostility to Jewish domination; this factor increased later
3. Stalin was brutal, but his brutality was, in part, directed against the non-theistic Jewish Bolsheviks ... who in time, came to reassess Trotsky and coalesce around him as the rival leader, the exiled pretender to the throne. Thus Isaac Deutscher, in his book The Prophet Outcast, records Trotsky's aspiration - even in 1939 - to return to the USSR in the wake of Stalin's overthrow (Victory in Defeat: pp. 510ff).
Deuscher articulated a strong Jewish Identity: deutscher.html.
4. The plan by the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committe for a Jewish Republic in the Crimea, the Baruch Plan of 1946 for World Government, and the rallying of Soviet Jews to Israel (eg at Golda Meir's visit) affected Stalin's perception of Jewish solidarity with Jews in the US and Israel. Moscow & Jerusalem became rival centres representing divergent visions of socialism. This was an unseen Cold War: sudoplat.html.
5. Stalin was murdered, within 2 months of the Doctors Plot being announced; Zionism was one of the issues in his murder: death-of-stalin.html.
The murderers comprised a "Jewish" faction (Beria, Kaganovich et al) and a "Russian" faction (Khruschev et al). Beria, of the Jewish faction, took power, and instituted "reforms" of the type Gorbachev was to repeat later. East Germany began to collapse ... in response, the "Russian" faction was able to overthrow Beria and install Khruschev: beria.html.
6. Gorbachev seems to have removed the totalitarian aspects of Communism; on that account, he may have been the best ruler. But he was aiming at Beria's "Convergence" policy, i.e. at a World Government, a Single Civilization uniting East & West. For this, he thought he must dismantle the heritage of Stalin, including the East Bloc: convergence.html.
7. Convergence is associated, loosely, with the Trotskyist movement, which is also loosely called "Marxist Anti-Communist" (see kostel.html) and "New Left": new-left.html. The magazine New Left Review, for example, was closely attuned to the ideas of Isaac Deutscher, a champion of Trotsky.
8. Convergence is also associated with the "Open Conspiracy" for World Government: wells-lenin-league.html.
9. The kind of "Marxism" we now have in the West is the Trotskyist kind. Thus the Greens promote Gay Marriage and Open Borders. The Gay & Radical Feminist movements are following the policies of the Trotskyist period of the USSR, during which Marriage was officially abolished and homosexuality (including sodomy) normalised. Stalin re-instituted marriage, and made sodomy a crime: sex-soviet.html.
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