David Jacobs' death ruled suicide

[Thomas777]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/060708dnmetjacobs.6e6fd7f.html

I know I'm a couple of weeks out of the loop here, but I just came across this newsbit. Truth be told, I don't believe for a minute that Jacobs killed himself, anymore than I believe that Bill Clinton's Whitewater buddies killed themselves. Don't know if this will garner any interest here, but I'd hope that by this point nobody is still pretending that the NFL is ''drug free'' and that MLB is somehow anomalous.

[Keystone]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/060708dnmetjacobs.6e6fd7f.html

I know I'm a couple of weeks out of the loop here, but I just came across this newsbit. Truth be told, I don't believe for a minute that Jacobs killed himself, anymore than I believe that Bill Clinton's Whitewater buddies killed themselves. Don't know if this will garner any interest here, but I'd hope that by this point nobody is still pretending that the NFL is ''drug free'' and that MLB is somehow anomalous.
Ugh. A sorry end for two young people. RIP.

What is the fetish with "bodybuilding"? Is it worth all these chemicals?

[Thomas777]

What is the fetish with "bodybuilding"? Is it worth all these chemicals?

Its about trial and error...Phds don't study these things and publish their findings, so if you want to learn about different bodybuilding drugs and their risk/benefit ratio, you need to use yourself as a guinea pig and compare notes with other people who do the same thing. Having access to a medical library helps as well. Its worth it in the sense that it's a repreive from the daily grind and the overall suckiness of bourgoisie life. Its probably not worth it if you want to grow old and/or make friends with yuppies in the interim and have the government leave you alone.

[Keystone]

Its about trial and error...Phds don't study these things and publish their findings, so if you want to learn about different bodybuilding drugs and their risk/benefit ratio, you need to use yourself as a guinea pig and compare notes with other people who do the same thing. Having access to a medical library helps as well. Its worth it in the sense that it's a repreive from the daily grind and the overall suckiness of bourgoisie life. Its probably not worth it if you want to grow old and/or make friends with yuppies in the interim and have the government leave you alone.
Isn't it satisfying enough to build your body naturally?
I can't see the bourgoisie suckiness in that.

[Thomas777]

Isn't it satisfying enough to build your body naturally?


Sure, but its not the same thing. Riding a bicycle is satisfying but it doesn't somehow obviate the desire to drive a Porsche at high speeds.

[Keystone]

Sure, but its not the same thing. Riding a bicycle is satisfying but it doesn't somehow obviate the desire to drive a Porshe at high speeds.
Those are machines. You want to be a machine?

[1-800]

I don't like bodybuilding so much, I prefer power-lifting and strong man contests. The truth is that steroids take you much further than you are able to get on your own.

[Keystone]

I don't like bodybuilding so much, I prefer power-lifting and strong man contests. The truth is that steroids take you much further than you are able to get on your own.
What's the point? It's the drugs helping you.

[Thomas777]

What's the point? It's the drugs helping you.

Drugs aren't magic. If you start a cycle of tren/dbol/test tomorrow, you will niether build a physique like Schwarzenegger nor will you begin hitting home runs like Bonds.

The point is that technology allows us to overcome certain limitations and excell. If you don't like drugs, don't take them. Some people like drugs and use them. Don't worry about what other people are doing.

[Keystone]

Drugs aren't magic. If you start a cycle of tren/dbol/test tomorrow, you will niether build a physique like Schwarzenegger nor will you begin hitting home runs like Bonds.

The point is that technology allows us to overcome certain limitations and excell. If you don't like drugs, don't take them. Some people like drugs and use them. Don't worry about what other people are doing.
I don't worry about you "excelling" with drugs. Knock yourself out. I just don't see the point of it all. It seems pointlessly vain to me.

[Thomas777]

I don't worry about you "excelling" with drugs. Knock yourself out. I just don't see the point of it all. It seems pointlessly vain to me.

It probably is, but vanity is (by definition) an individualist endeavor...it doesn't matter what other people think of it. You think everything is pointless because you want everything to suck as much as possible. If it were 40-50 years ago, you'd be into Communism.

[il ragno]

Don't worry about what other people are doing.

If anybody here could adhere to that single rule, there'd be no forum.

[Thomas777]

If anybody here could adhere to that single rule, there'd be no forum.

Well, I think a distinction is in order. Its one thing to get upset about other people clamoring for aggressive wars in the Near East or legitimizing and coddling the ludicrous demands of freed slaves...that kind of thing is dangerous to us. Its another thing to get angry and livid over gym rats popping dbol tabs or some overpaid ball player rocking the needle.

[Keystone]

It probably is, but vanity is (by definition) an individualist endeavor...it doesn't matter what other people think of it. You think everything is pointless because you want everything to suck as much as possible. If it were 40-50 years ago, you'd be into Communism.
You've heard the female response to why they try to dress attractively, certainly...."I dress for myself"....sure they do. It's the same with body guys. "We strive for perfection"...bullshit. It's to show the other guy how much bigger and stronger you are...It's a group thing. It has nothing to do with individuals, otherwise you wouldn't take drugs just to "excel". Just be honest.

[Thomas777]

You've heard the female response to why they try to dress attractively, certainly...."I dress for myself"....sure they do. It's the same with body guys. "We strive for perfection"...bullshit. It's to show the other guy how much bigger and stronger you are...It's a group thing. It has nothing to do with individuals, otherwise you wouldn't take drugs just to "excel". Just be honest.

Guys don't care how big or strong you are...they rank the heirarchy in terms of what you do for a living or how much money you make. No law firm whiz kid or hedge fund manager gets worried about whether other guys are bigger or stronger than he is and he doesn't worry about his wife leaving him for some gym rat. In contrast, women say that they ''dress for themselves'' because they are basically attesting to the fact that they want to set themselves apart from the herd in terms of their appeal to the opposite sex...this breeds resentment among their more modest sisters.

Nobody starts training hard and juicing heavily to ''fit in'' or to get chicks...girls don't like it and polite society thinks you're either junked out or a fag. Its a mental prison...otherwise, nobody would do it.

[Keystone]

Guys don't care how big or strong you are...they rank the heirarchy in terms of what you do for a living or how much money you make. No law firm whiz kid or hedge fund manager gets worried about whether other guys are bigger or stronger than he is and he doesn't worry about his wife leaving him for some gym rat. In contrast, women say that they ''dress for themselves'' because they are basically attesting to the fact that they want to set themselves apart from the herd in terms of their appeal to the opposite sex...this breeds resentment among their more modest sisters.

Nobody starts training hard and juicing heavily to ''fit in'' or to get chicks...girls don't like it and polite society thinks you're either junked out or a fag. Its a mental prison...otherwise, nobody would do it.
I'm not talking about your law office.

[Helios Panoptes]

Bodybuilding ranks higher on the gay scale than doing air squats in a dewy cucumber patch with Richard Simmons.

[Thomas777]

Bodybuilding ranks higher on the gay scale than doing air squats in a dewy cucumber patch with Richard Simmons.

False. Exercising to stay healthy ranks on the gay scale between carrying a ''Hello Kitty'' diaperbag in public while taking your brats to the park while your wife is at work and supporting Barack Obama.

Chemical bodybuilding is inherently masochistic and caustic to personal health, thus removing it from gay scale quantification even if the pracitioner is a big homo. I'm beginning to think that some of you guys need to attend to a tutorial on these things.

[Helios Panoptes]

False. Exercising to stay healthy ranks on the gay scale between carrying a ''Hello Kitty'' diaperbag in public while taking your brats to the park while your wife is at work and supporting Barack Obama.

Chemical bodybuilding is inherently masochistic and caustic to personal health, thus removing it from gay scale quantification even if the pracitioner is a big homo. I'm beginning to think that some of you guys need to attend to a tutorial on these things.

What is a BB competition? It's a bunch of oiled-up men strutting around and posing. It's a beauty contest for muscle fetishists. If that's not gay, I don't know what is. Receiving anal sex in bath houses is masochistic and caustic to personal health, too, but it's still plenty gay.

[Thomas777]

What is a BB competition? It's a bunch of oiled-up men strutting around and posing. It's a beauty contest for muscle fetishists. If that's not gay, I don't know what is. Receiving anal sex in bath houses is masochistic and caustic to personal health, too, but it's still plenty gay.




Anal sex in bath houses is gross and deviant, but it only becomes gay when its practitioners begin whining about catching HIV and being scared of dying from it. Cruising bath houses without regard to whether or not you will end up spending your last days in the AIDS ward eating pasty apple sauce makes you a sick queer but its not a gay scale matter.

[Roland]

Good discussion.

I think we can move toward the elimination of such disagreements by holding off on casuist accounts of gayscaleness until the gayscale has been more formally defined. For example, “the gayscale is a genus whose members are differentiated by the intensity of their gayness, which is in turn determined by the degree to which they exhibit effete postmodern proclivities (metrosexuality), emasculating bourgeois concerns like “health” and “financial security” etc.

[Keystone]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/photo/2008/06/17/0617-MARRIAGE/23730501.JPG

:whip:

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[Thomas777]

^^^

You look OK bald, Keystone...the grey hair made you look old in all honesty. Your buddy however looks a little sloppy. Tell him to start training for real and quit the biceps-only beach workouts. Anyway, I guess all that matters is that you two are happy.