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Hakluyt
02-15-2006, 06:53 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/abortion-will-lead-to-muslim-nation/2006/02/13/1139679540920.html

Abortion will lead to Muslim nation: MP

By Stephanie Peatling
February 14, 2006

AUSTRALIA could become a Muslim nation within 50 years because "we are aborting ourselves almost out of existence", a Government backbencher says.

The former minister Danna Vale is one of five Coalition women proposing an amendment to the private member's bill that seeks to remove ministerial veto over abortion drugs such as RU486. At a news conference called by the five yesterday, she said it was important politicians considered the ramifications "for the community and the nation we become in the future".

"I have read … comments by a certain imam from the Lakemba Mosque [who] actually said that Australia is going to be a Muslim nation in 50 years' time," said Mrs Vale, MP for the southern Sydney seat of Hughes.

"I didn't believe him at the time. But … look at the birthrates and you look at the fact that we are aborting ourselves almost out of existence by 100,000 abortions every year … You multiply that by 50 years. That's 5 million potential Australians we won't have here."

Keysar Trad, head of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said Mrs Vale's remarks were outlandish and that they pandered to xenophobia and the "community's shortage of understanding about Islam".

"It's just a cheap shot and it's very unfortunate," he told AAP.

The amendment, written by the Liberals' Jackie Kelly, would automatically refer any application for use of an abortion drug that came to the Health Minister to the Therapeutic Goods Administration. Its assessment, along with a consideration by the minister of the drug's social implications, would then be considered by Parliament.

Ms Kelly said she was concerned why the number of abortions was significantly higher than the adoption rate.

"There are 250,000 children born each year," she said. "There are 100,000 abortions and 70 adoptions. Termination is more acceptable than adoption."

The Liberal member for the Sydney seat of Greenway, Louise Markus, said "no one wants as many abortions as there are now". The other two women supporting the amendment are the South Australian Liberal Trish Draper and the Queensland National De-Anne Kelly.

The Senate has already voted to remove the minister's veto, but if the amendment succeeded, it would have to be returned to the Senate to be voted on again.

Debate on the bill will begin in the House of Representatives today. Jackie Kelly said she was confident her amendment would be successful.

Another amendment is being proposed by the Queensland Liberal Andrew Laming.

But members are understood to be concerned that the amendment would mean Parliament would be forced into a de facto debate on abortion every time an application was received.

The Minister for Workforce Participation, Sharman Stone, said the issue needed to be resolved "once and for all".

Starr
02-15-2006, 07:59 AM
I didn't believe him at the time. But … look at the birthrates and you look at the fact that we are aborting ourselves almost out of existence by 100,000 abortions every year … You multiply that by 50 years. That's 5 million potential Australians we won't have here."

Keysar Trad, head of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said Mrs Vale's remarks were outlandish and that they pandered to xenophobia and the "community's shortage of understanding about Islam".

I think it is outlandish that immigrants would be using the xenophobic or race card in an attempt to stop people from talking or thinking too much about the impact the abortion rate(and low birth rate in general) will have on the native white population. Your concern about how we will one day outnumber you is not something you should think about. The motives in that line of thinking should be a major cause of concern.


Ms Kelly said she was concerned why the number of abortions was significantly higher than the adoption rate.

Abortion is emotionally easier. You don't have to look at or hold the child before you get rid of it. Out of sight, out of mind, in a sense. A trip to the abortion doctor rather than carrying the child for 9 months is also a quicker fix.

Felix the Cat
02-15-2006, 10:44 AM
This is tip-toeing around the real issue, which is the mass-immigration of Muslims into Western countries

So long as that continues, measures like restricting abortion will be completely pointless

Starr
02-15-2006, 05:55 PM
This is tip-toeing around the real issue, which is the mass-immigration of Muslims into Western countries

So long as that continues, measures like restricting abortion will be completely pointless


You are right, of course. But that real issue, while basically unmentioned, is highly implied in that concern.

And again people need to take full notice of how the immigrants reacted to this.

ironweed
02-15-2006, 06:12 PM
"I have read … comments by a certain imam from the Lakemba Mosque [who] actually said that Australia is going to be a Muslim nation in 50 years' time," said Mrs Vale, MP for the southern Sydney seat of Hughes.

"I didn't believe him at the time. But … look at the birthrates and you look at the fact that we are aborting ourselves almost out of existence by 100,000 abortions every year … You multiply that by 50 years. That's 5 million potential Australians we won't have here."

What's interesting is that no one seems to be disputing the quote.

Keysar Trad, head of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said Mrs Vale's remarks were outlandish and that they pandered to xenophobia and the "community's shortage of understanding about Islam".

"It's just a cheap shot and it's very unfortunate," he told AAP.

Errm, she was quoting the Imam. Either he said it or he didn't.

Starr
02-16-2006, 04:07 AM
It almost seems if they are not disputing the quote, as much as they are attempting to lay the guilt trip on anyone who would care or want to do something about the direction the country is headed in(becoming majority non-white or Muslim) Whitey better learn to shut up and like it.
That is what makes that immigrant's comments particularily balsy.

Donny the Punk
02-16-2006, 05:57 AM
Good to see a woman in public office coming out against abortion, silly that she had to taint it with irrelevancies.

Starr
02-16-2006, 06:15 AM
Good to see a woman speaking out against white abortion. It is also good to see a woman who appears to be concerned about her society becoming browner, rather than basically welcoming it, in an attempt to "prove" how much she embraces multiculturalism.

Donny the Punk
02-16-2006, 06:21 AM
You people are really ill.

Starr
02-16-2006, 06:24 AM
Who is "you people"

As for being ill, if you would have said that to me last week, you would have been correct. I came down with a rather nasty case of strep throat. but I am quite healthy now.:)

Anarch
02-16-2006, 01:46 PM
Good to see a woman speaking out against white abortion. It is also good to see a woman who appears to be concerned about her society becoming browner, rather than basically welcoming it, in an attempt to "prove" how much she embraces multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism is only popular amongst members of the 'public' service, sections of the media (by no means all of the media) and ethnic communities which can advance by means of multiculturalism. She's hardly alone. One politician - Paulin Hanson - formed a party in favour of assimilationist patriotism a few years ago (she advocated shutting the borders from peoples who aren't culturally assimilable, advocated European immigration, legalisation of private firearms ownership, etc.) and she scored a million votes across the country (Australia barely has 20 million people, btw, and just over half are capable of voting). She was also relatively incompetent politically, weak-willed, and had almost every television network and newspaper against her. The Liberal Party has since basically hijacked its function as an outlet for nationalist frustration. An undefinably vague kind of lip-service is paid to multiculturalism by the federal (Liberal) government these days.

The state governments and their departments tend to be far more left wing, particularly the education system (though having a female police commissioner join in the gay mardi gras parade in a cop uniform is pretty disturbing IMO). Private education isn't much better. A close friend of mine got in a bit of trouble (understatement) for vocally objecting (understatement) to a rainbow (i.e. faggot) flag next to the Australian flag inside the church in his Catholic high school.