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ogenoct
08-23-2008, 12:51 AM
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The S. S.:
Knights of the New Faith

by Savitri Devi

Extract from
The Lightning and the Sun (Calcutta: Savitri Devi Mukherji, 1958), pp. 371-79.
The title is editorial.

Edited by R. G. Fowler

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/fritzmaster18/waffen1.jpg

Illustration : Waffen SS Recruitment Poster



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It certainly is no mere coincidence that, of all the organisations closely connected with the defence of the National Socialist State, the S.S. is precisely the one which has been (and still is) the most bitterly hated by the enemies of the Hitler faith: first and foremost by the Jews, whose aversion to it is well-nigh pathological; then by the Communists and by the Catholics, and finally by the non-descript “decent people” of all degrees of mediocrity—even by such narrow-minded nationalists of countries other than Germany as should normally (given the personal career of some of them1) be the last ones to censure any supporters of ruthlessness in warfare or in coercion. The most bitterly hated and the most widely slandered; and the most relentlessly and the most savagely persecuted, no sooner persecution became materially possible; the one body, hundreds of thousands of members of which have died a martyr’s death in the anti-Nazi extermination camps of practically all countries of Europe—and of their colonies—and of the Soviet Union, or in the cellars and torture chambers of the Allied Prisons, after the war; thousands of members of which are still in chains for so-called “war crimes,” in Siberia, no doubt, but elsewhere also—in Holland, in France, in Greece—even ten years after Germany’s unconditional surrender; all members of which were collectively stamped by the judges of the international Tribunal of Nuremberg as “belonging to a criminal organisation,” and are, still today, after all these years, more or less everywhere (save in Germany itself) looked upon as such by the broad, uncritical masses, who have lived (or have been told about) the Second World War.

It is no mere coincidence. And by no means also, a fact which the so-called “crimes against humanity,” rightly or mistakingly or willfully wrongly ascribed to numbers of S.S. men by the Nuremberg judges, would suffice to account for. No armies, ancient or modern—and those of the united anti-Nazi front, less than any—and no police organisations are innocent of so-called “crimes against humanity”: acts of violence which obvious military necessities (or State necessities) cannot entirely justify. The history of the whole world is eloquent enough—and that of all great colonial powers of the past and of the present, particularly eloquent—in that respect.

But why mention colonial powers and the multifarious horrors connected with the repression of resistance movements in tropical lands—or with the conquest of those very lands—by greedy crusaders of man-loving creeds? Were not Eisenhower’s gallant “crusaders to Europe” themselves lashingly censured, and that by non-Nazis and even by anti-Nazis—by Maurice Bardèche, a sincere Christian; by Frida Utley, a Communist, or at least the wife of one—for their disgusting behaviour in Germany in and after 1945? And has not the American judge van Roden, who was sent to investigate into the atrocities perpetrated by his compatriots upon Germans (in fact, upon S.S. men) in connection with the all-too-notorious “Malmédy case,” clearly declared in 1948 that, were one seriously desirous of detecting and chastising “war criminals,” one should send home the “whole American Occupation forces” so that they be legally and impartially tried?

It is true that the victors of 1945 never had the slightest desire of being “impartial,” let alone “just.” Apparently what they had decided to punish were German “war criminals” only—not their own. But even that is not rigorously accurate. At least, that does not suffice to explain why they drew such a definite line between German soldiers of the Wehrmacht and German soldiers of the Waffen S.S. and no line at all between the latter and the members of the elder organisation known as “Allgemeine S.S.”: the only one out of which were recruited the Security Service, the Secret State Police (commonly known as the Gestapo2), and the staff of the concentration camps, i.e., all men entrusted with the inner defence of the National Socialist State. It does not suffice to explain why the German (and, during the war, also non-German) regiments labelled as Schutz Staffeln—S.S.—be they police or field units, were, as a whole, and without discrimination, branded as units of a “criminal organisation,” while their fellow formations of the Wehrmacht—the Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, etc.—were not; why the victorious Allies and, along with them, the post-war press and radio, literature and cinema industry—all the forces of the anti-Nazi world—went out of their way to persecute, humiliate, or revile every S.S. man, whatever he might have done or not have done, while they persecuted mostly individual officers and men out of the Wehrmacht and other German fighting forces, and presented their occasional so-called “war crimes” as individual cases of unjustified violence. It does not suffice to explain that reputation of cold-blooded barbarity which the whole S.S.—the Waffen S.S. no less than the “Allgemeine”—has acquired during and after the war, and the horror attached to its name to this day among the gullible masses of practically all countries, with the natural exception of Germany (and of Austria, which is, whatever one may say, a part of Germany), of Spain, and probably of Japan, where, I expect, no amount of democratic nonsense can kill men’s inborn admiration for any faithful soldiers.

The truth is that, what roused—and still rouses—the hatred and fury of the “common man” in nearly all lands—and the very understandable fears of the intelligent leading Anti-Nazis, specially of the topmost Jews, actual rulers of the present-day world—was (and is) not so much the German so-called “war crimes” themselves as the particular conception of life, the particular scale of values of some of those men who are alleged to have committed them or ordered them. For that which nearly the whole world of this advanced Dark Age stood up to combat and to crush, with a more or less clearly expressible but nevertheless most definite sense of self-defence, was not, in reality “violence,” not “crime”—not even “crimes against humanity,” in the material meaning of the word—but National Socialism, or, more precisely, Hitlerism: the latest expression of the perennial cosmic Wisdom “against Time”; Hitlerism, the creed of the healthy, strong, and beautiful, in their place at the head of a creation of which “man” is but a part; the creed of triumphant Life—of Nature—as opposed to the commonly accepted creed of “man.” And that which distinguished the whole S.S.—the “Allgemeine” and the other—from the rest of the German forces, and justified, in the eyes of the world of our Age (from the Nuremberg judges and the leading Jews behind them, down to the most irresponsible specimen of two-legged mammal whom anti-Nazi propaganda could possibly reach) that name of “criminal organisation” indiscriminately applied to it, remains the sole fact that it was, or, at least was intended to be, the National Socialist body par excellence; the physical and moral élite of awakening Aryandom; the living, conscious kernel out of which and round which the yet unborn race of gods on earth—regenerate Aryandom—was to take shape and soul.

In other words, the S.S. as a whole had, in new Germany, the meaning which new Germany herself had among the people of the broad Aryan family: that of being the innermost and uppermost stronghold of the wisdom “against Time”; the ferment of regeneration, determined to overcome millenniums of decay. Is it a wonder that the very agents of the forces of decay treated it as they did—and as they do?

* * *

A few quotations out of Georges Blond’s book L’Agonie de l’Allemagne will help to buttress what I have just said. The French author may have held Petain’s policy of collaboration with Germany for the right one, in France’s interest, but he never was and never pretended to be a devotee of the Hitler faith. His words are therefore neither those of an enemy nor those of an admirer but those of a reporter whose sole desire is to give an accurate picture of what was.

“S.S. men,” says he—and although he speaks only of the Waffen S.S. this applies also to the “Allgemeine”—had to measure at least one metre eighty (nearly six feet) and to undergo an extremely severe physical and medical examination. They were not to have a single tooth which had once needed the attention of a dentist.”3 It strikes me as a remarkable coincidence that this same condition (of not having even a single decaying tooth) was, among others, imposed, in ancient Greece, upon those who wished to become priests of Apollo, the god of Light. I must also add that, apart from revealing, at the medical test, a more than average sharpness of sight and hearing, S.S. men were all to be possible givers of blood. The letter indicating his particular blood-group—A, B, or O—was tattooed under the right arm of every one of them, to make things easier in emergency cases. It is needless to stress that all S.S. men had to be of irreproachable Aryan blood. The genealogy of each and every one of them was studied with utmost care—generations back4—before his admission.

The ideal of physical cleanliness and of absolute health—the natural basis of more-than-physical purity—was exalted among them to the supreme degree; exalted in their training as a conscious élite and in their daily life within the barracks and outside:

The rooms in which they lived and all objects which they used had to be washed and scrubbed, polished and shined every day. S.S. men were entitled to have uniforms and equipment of the very best quality, but the obligations imposed upon them with regard to presentation and cleanliness were unbelievable. At the time of the daily inspection the soldier was expected to look as though he had come “fresh out of a box.” . . . As a result of the most severe inspection of all—the one that took place before the weekly day’s leave—one man out of three was sent back on account of some trifling omission.5

“An S.S. man who caught a venereal disease was punished. The punishments consisted in supplementary military exercises (Aufmarsch: standing, lying, marching, running, crawling, with full equipment, for an hour), in imprisonment, or expulsion from the S.S. community.”6

And, side by side with a deadly, machine-like efficiency, carried, through intensive drill, to the limits of perfection, were cultivated—carried, they too, to their highest degree—among S.S. men, those exceptional qualities of character, the outcome of which is personal value and also efficiency: a complete mastery over one’s nerves; serene indifference to one’s individual fate; absolute detachment within utmost thoroughness and utmost skill. In other words, being already the physical and racial élite, the S.S. was expected to be, at the same time, a perfect organisation and a perfect aristocracy of character and deeper intelligence; an unfailing instrument of war (or of coercion) and a brotherhood of real supermen; the all-round conscious élite of our Age: heroes “against Time” accepting all the conditions of their extraordinary mission; accepting the mechanising tyranny of drill—twelve hours a day of the most exacting military exercises7—not with “resignation” but with understanding and with joy, knowing it was a means to invincibility, at any rate a means to the most terrible efficiency in the fulfilment of duty; and loving duty—their duty; their action for the triumph of truth on earth; their struggle “in the interest of the Universe”—above all.

The military exercises were carried out under the actual conditions of modern war, with all the dangers that this implies. “Danger of accidents bred vigilance, and was an element of the S.S. education.”8 The young future officers were put to even harder tests than the soldiers. “One of these tests, intended to develop self-control, was the following: the young officer, standing in the position of “attention,” held a grenade in his right hand. On command, he was to unscrew it, to hit upon the fire-lever, and then, . . . to place the grenade upon his helmet and while remaining in the position of “attention”—erect and immobile and perfectly calm—“to wait for the explosion.”9 A Hindu would probably think: a beautiful exercise in the training of Western “Karma Yogis.” And he would be right.

All this however—the fact of being a physical and, what is more, a racial élite, no less than a deadly efficient instrument of action (a merciless police-force and, in the case of the Waffen S.S, the toughest of all tough troops of the German Army)—would hardly have been enough to raise the S.S. above the best German military bodies of all times; to place it in a different class of warriors; and to bring down upon it, indiscriminately, the hatred of the Dark Age world. But let me once more quote Georges Blond:

Three times a week the S.S. recruits had a course in political education: lectures about the Führer’s person and about his life; about the National Socialist doctrine and the history of the Party; but before all about the racialist Teaching. The two basic books were Walter Darré’s Die Rasse10 and Rosenberg’s Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts.11

On the form he had filled out requesting his admission, the future S.S. man had nearly always written, opposite the word ‘religion,’ the answer: Gottgläubig—believer in God. It was not the thing to do to write down ‘atheist,’ or ‘Lutheran’; still less ‘Catholic.’ Gottgläubig. That ‘belief in God’ did not [religiously, or rather, dogmatically speaking12] imply much. The important point was to be convinced, or ready to let one’s self be convinced, of the necessity and of the excellence of the advent of a ‘blood aristocracy’ that was to rule alone over the rest of mankind. The superior blood was the Aryan, and more particularly the Germanic or Nordic. The Latin people were held to be not very interesting, the Jews were looked upon as mud and vermin. Christianity was a religion soaked in Judaism, and even an undertaking carried on under Jewish inspiration, with a view to revile man by inculcating him a feeling of sinfulness.

It is an error to believe that cruelty was systematically cultivated. Friendliness and kindness towards children and towards animals were recommended to S.S. men. But the tree of blood aristocracy and of the deified State could not bear fruits of meekness and humanity. Pride always carries within it the seed of cruelty.13

Through this reportage of a non-Nazi—and nobody save a non-Nazi, nay, nobody save a definite opponent of the Hitler faith in its essence (i.e., an opponent of it not necessarily on the political but certainly on the philosophical plane) could write such a sentence as the last one, which I purposely quoted—one can, to some extent, understand the historical significance of the S.S. and account for the world-wide hatred of which that organised, warlike Aryan aristocracy has been, and still is, the object.

At the root of both, there is that explicit and uncompromising repudiation not merely of “Christianity,” but of that which I have called “the values common to Christianity and to all man-centred faiths”; to all faiths “in Time,” be they otherworldly or of this world; the repudiation of the values which appeal to bastardised masses (and all the more so that these are more bastardised); there is the haughty rejection of that dogma of the superexcellence of “man,” outcome of immeasurable human conceit and, more and more, for the last two and a half thousand years or so, of Jewish sophistry. That, and that alone, is what this Dark Age world could not and cannot and never will be able to forgive the S.S.; that, and not its so-called “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity” (the “decent people” and their leaders commit or encourage or tolerate far worse horrors); that, and not its terrible efficiency, nor its purity of blood as a fact, nor even its German pride and thirst of expansion.

The famous Teutonic Knights of the Middle Ages were pure-blooded Germans and merciless warriors; conquerors of new lands for a German Reich that was already pushing eastwards with all its young strength. They were the sword that prepared the way for the German settlers’ plough—exactly what the S.S. would have been, had the Russian campaign ended victoriously, i.e., had the anti-Communist Western Allies left Russia to her fate. Yet they were not “war criminals” or “criminals against humanity,” whatever violence they might have exerted. For they fought and conquered in the name of Christianity, with the blessing of the Catholic Church—it was the only way to carry on a successful German Ostpolitik in the twelfth, thirteenth, or fourteenth century. And had the toughest among the modern German forces—the S.S.—done the same, or that which can be, today, regarded as the equivalent of the same, namely, had it fought and conquered with the self-same violence, the self-same ruthlessness, nay, the self-same national fanaticism, but in the name of the “rights of man” against the “Bolshevik danger” considered as a menace to “man’s dignity” and to “individual freedom,” never would it have been collectively branded as a “criminal organisation” by an international Law Court—never; not even if Germany had finally lost the war. (In that case it is, in the first place, probable that Germany would have won. For the world-wide coalition of Communists and Anti-Communist against her would not have taken shape.)

But there is more: whatever people may say, now that powerful material interests have torn asunder the Yalta front, I doubt whether the toughest and most fanatical units of the Red Army—whose fanaticism can match that of the S.S. and whose brutality has, already in this war, by far beaten it—be, even after a conflict between the so-called “free world” and the Soviet Union ending with the latter’s unconditional surrender, collectively stamped as groups of a “criminal organisation.” I doubt it because, however much the so-called “free world” may profess to hate Communism, Communism does not profess to attack that deep-seated superstition of “man” which is the implicit faith of the Dark Age. On the contrary! That very superstition lies at the root of Marxism even more so than at the root of historical Christianity or of humanitarian. Atheism, of which Marxism is but the logical prolongation in a world increasingly dominated by “technique.” The only way to carry on any successful national Ostpolitik (or Westpolitik) in our Dark Age, is to carry it on under the mantle of some form or other of that international superstition.

National Socialist Germany carried on the struggle for her existence against that superstition; against the accumulated moral prejudices of Dark Age mankind; I repeat: “against Time.” She fought for her existence, being herself the citadel of the Hitler faith. And the S.S.—indiscriminately, whether Waffen S.S. or “Allgemeine”—was and remains the great dedicated Knightly Order of the Hitler faith. For no other reason has the Dark Age world persecuted it with such elemental hatred.


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1 For example that of the French “résistant” Jacques Soustelle, as “Governor of Algiers, in 1956.
2Geheime Staatepolizei

3 Georges Blond, L’Agonie de l’Allemagne, 1944–1945 (Paris: Fayard, 1952), p. 103.

4 Up to 1600 A.D. at least.

5 Blond, p. 104.

6 Blond, p. 104.

7 In the second degree training of the Waffen S.S., after the young recruits’ oath. See Blond, p. 106.

8 Blond, p. 105.

9 Blond, p. 106.

10 Probably R. Walther Darré, Das Bauerntum als Lebensquell der Nordischen Rasse [The Peasantry as the Life-Source of the Nordic Race] (Munich: Lehmann, 1929).—Ed.

11 Alfred Rosenberg, Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts [The Myth of the Twentieth-Century](Munich: Hoheneichen, 1930).—Ed.

12 Savitri Devi’s insertion—Ed.

13 Blond, pp. 102–103.

Bronze Age Pervert
08-23-2008, 02:00 AM
Knights?
Didn't the actual German aristocracy have a phrase for these types?? von der Gasse I think it was...

Sudaev
08-24-2008, 01:40 AM
Hardy har har @ Devi's hair-splitting over the SS. Personnel were freely exchanged between the two groups (Allgemeine and Waffen-SS).

cerberus
08-24-2008, 01:58 AM
I know of 940 SS men who wwent between the cz system and the Waffen SS , a certain doctor came to Auschwitz after winning the Iron Cross 1st Class whilst serving with Das Reich.
Now hands up who do you think he was ??

Sudaev
08-24-2008, 02:20 AM
I know of 940 SS men who wwent between the cz system and the Waffen SS , a certain doctor came to Auschwitz after winning the Iron Cross 1st Class whilst serviung with Das Reich.
Now hands up who do you think he was ??

Mengele - it's funny, I thought of him right after typing the last post.

ogenoct
08-24-2008, 02:25 AM
Mengele - it's funny, I thought of him right after typing the last post.

SS-MANN OTTO RAHN

by Constantin von Hoffmeister


Per Aspera Ad Astra

The Racist Left: Biological racism should be the most important part of any theory of identity. Races create cultures and traditions. Without race-specific world views there would be no tradition. Every tradition corresponds to the drive of a race soul to express and glorify itself. The foremost philosopher of National Socialism, Alfred Rosenberg (not a Jew!), realized this very well when he argued that "the character of today's world revolution lies in the awakening of the racial types." Racial war is an integral part of the natural process of selection and evolution. That some races are worth more than others is therefore obvious. Not too much value should be placed on the idea of a so-called "spiritual" race as an undiluted materialist outlook is the only outlook that accepts the reality of the present, the past and the future. A rock from Mars is worth more than a hundred books on transcending the differences in archetypes. This is not only true because there is not one ancient archetype at the root of the archetypes known today. The archetypes were always many, but only one archetype is worthy of worship.

Islam is clearly an enemy of European civilization because it cannot accept that the Enlightenment was a universal revolution that is also applicable to itself. This is why the Muslims cry because of some harmless cartoons. Muslims are simply ridiculous. Islam should be suppressed. One should have absolutely no respect for "Islamic republics" as they are a reflection of a stupid and barbaric world view. Better into a bordello than into a mosque! The Muslims want to conquer and crush what does not fit their narrow outlook on the world. As an expression of a people's collective psyche, Islam is the exact opposite of the European Enlightenment. Muslims live in the sand and in the past and will never be able to build a space shuttle and colonize space. Halal heartlessness: Muslims torture animals in the name of religious cleanliness. They let the animals slowly bleed to death so that they can feel rinsed and pure. A people's level of civilization can be ascertained by the way it treats its animals.

Only the ideas of the (imaginarily) Eurocentric French Revolution can give salvation to the Aryan race. Cheers to the Jacobins, the prophets of the pan-European mass idea! French revolutionary Louis Antoine de Saint-Just and German revolutionary Heinrich Himmler were both avatars of the same god of vengeance. While the former implemented measures to do away with the "noble" beasts of sloth, the latter organized a smooth-running camp system to concentrate (and thereby keep away from the healthy host nations) the hook-nosed parasites. Concerning the French King, Saint-Just argued that it was not possible to rule innocently. Concerning the hook-nosed parasites, Himmler argued that not being ruled at all was better than being ruled by them. Both Saint-Just and Himmler were cruel and swift in their methods, both signs that time could not be wasted and methods not restrained in their respective centuries, just as time is precious and radical methods wanted in our century. Unfortunately, time travel is not possible yet.

Dr. Josef Mengele, working at Auschwitz, trying to make gold out of excrement (brown to blue, black to blond), was called the "Angel of Death." Saint-Just, working in Paris, helping in letting sublime terror reign to establish order, was called the "Angel of Death." Both Mengele and Saint-Just were human beings of a higher type. They were overmen in a world of filth! Mengele, with his praiseworthy desire to create biological nobility where nature had failed, was (and still is) beyond the reach of moralizing jabberwocky-utterers. Saint-Just, his youthful beauty consumed with lust and anger, has been, is and will be admired as one of the men of action (never to shy away from sacrifice, blood and sadistic deeds) that the West once needed to give itself an enema. An enema is needed now but hardly any men of Saint-Just's caliber are here, ready and willing to administer it. A healthy dose of spite, rage and disgust must be fomented within the hearts of all pitch-black-clad men of honor. The goal is to reach again the heights of pleasure gained from giving enough pain, horror and remorse.

The idolized (after the fact of historical presence in the past) Red Army was the army of liberation from the yoke of superstition in the guise of religiosity. It was not the goateed devil that persecuted the followers of Christ, but Loki that led the people back into Odin's bosom through implementing measures necessary for a people used to sheepish ways. "Gulag! Gulag! Gulag!" This mantra should remind all good-natured fellows of the agenda that saved the East.

Did SS-Mann Otto Rahn find the Holy Grail? The Holy Grail is the essence of the four corners of the Abraxi's world. We venerate the Abraxi because their world is a reflection of our deep longing and desire to become one with the creator gods (multiple, wise, adamant-willed and attributed with attached arms of radioactive rays - the armor cold and dripping acid). The intricacies of the new inquisition reveal the desperate dark doctors that performed hideous cruel experiments on the filthy rabid dogs that howled at the wrong time and in the wrong place. The new inquisition puts the doctors to the test. If they sink, they will die. If they float, they will die. If they think, they will die. If they gloat, they will die.

From Colonel Kurtz' letter to the National Anarchist German Non-Workers' Party: "If I slash a cow, can I call it beef? Belly? I don't have a belly. I have a box where my intestines are put to rest."

And here they plucked it.

Aryan Imperium
08-24-2008, 08:59 AM
Knights?
Didn't the actual German aristocracy have a phrase for these types?? von der Gasse I think it was...

Would this be the jew-ridden aristocracy who were so degenerate as to allow their country to be betrayed to the jews during 1918?
The SS were a racial aristocracy of the blood and represented the very finest examples of our race physically, intellectually and spiritually.
If the Third Reich had have survived they would have been the eventual leaders of the Volk. They were a knightly order of men committed to the ideals of National Socialism and fought with great zeal and fanaticism.
I salute them!

Aryan Imperium
08-24-2008, 09:01 AM
Hardy har har @ Devi's hair-splitting over the SS. Personnel were freely exchanged between the two groups (Allgemeine and Waffen-SS).

She wasn`t "hair-splitting". Did you actually read the article?

Jake Featherston
08-24-2008, 01:40 PM
“S.S. men,” says he—and although he speaks only of the Waffen S.S. this applies also to the “Allgemeine”—had to measure at least one metre eighty (nearly six feet) and to undergo an extremely severe physical and medical examination. They were not to have a single tooth which had once needed the attention of a dentist.”3 It strikes me as a remarkable coincidence that this same condition (of not having even a single decaying tooth) was, among others, imposed, in ancient Greece, upon those who wished to become priests of Apollo, the god of Light.

As it so happens, I have never had a cavity.

Petr
08-24-2008, 01:55 PM
The only product by pretentious emo-fag Hoffmeister that has ever amused me was this:

HITLER'S BITCH

by Constantin von Hoffmeister

Savitri Devi: 100 years
(born September 30, 1905)

she liked to admire
to worship
to pray
to perform silly rituals
with no shame
and no blushed face
her saree flowing in places
where it did not belong
degrading slavs
but faulting hitler for not siding with them
second class aryans to be exterminated
my fuehrer, right or wrong!
aryans: she claimed she was one
she loved them
more than her dark-skinned indian servant
and all the other "bronze bodies"
she liked it pure
and orderly
was against the caste system
but imagined that hitler would reinstate it globally
but hitler said it would be a greater honor to be a street cleaner in the reich
than be a king in a foreign country
hitler the pan-germanic egalitarian!
savitri devi the hierarchical thinker
she was sad when germany lost the war
that it had started
she wanted the british out of india
but she loved the fuehrer
who wanted to help the british subjugate the indians
she admired the ridiculous hindu customs
"aryan paganism" she termed hinduism
all the colors and the motions
all the complexities
for her it was cosmic
transcendental terror is what it really is!
hinduism is man-made nonsense
acting out its concepts
is like speculatively stroking one's manifested fear of isolation
but one is one always till death and beyond
savitri devi liked to rub lotus flowers on her tits
it made them imaginarily glow
like in her mind the halo above hitler's head
savitri devi's husband was a member of subhas chandra bose's party
unlike savitri devi, subhas chandra bose
was a folk hero
he did not only count hindus as true indians
but also muslims, christians, buddhists, etc.
in his indian national army, all faiths were equal
for bose, the nation was above any religion
for devi, hinduism was above the nation or the indian people
while devi worshipped nazi germany,
bose was a soviet agent
while devi was an imperialist,
bose was an anti-imperialist
while devi wanted the evil aryans to colonize,
bose wanted the evil aryans out of his home
savitri devi was a hitler groupie
who never made it into hitler's bed
after the war, she told germans to believe
and be strong
holding onto a belief that had killed them all
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15292&highlight=savitri


Petr

Vindex
08-24-2008, 02:39 PM
The SS is interesting for a modern study of the last true Aryan warrior caste in the Western world. And world in general. Its the nearest window in time to view what the ancient Aryan Earl castes might have functioned like.

Sudaev
08-24-2008, 06:59 PM
The SS were a racial aristocracy of the blood and represented the very finest examples of our race physically, intellectually and spiritually.


Yeah the Asiatics in the Turkmenistani regiment were a nice example.

Crowley
08-24-2008, 08:24 PM
The SS is interesting for a modern study of the last true Aryan warrior caste in the Western world. And world in general. Its the nearest window in time to view what the ancient Aryan Earl castes might have functioned like.

Yes, the SS is fascinating along these lines. Isn't Irving coming out with a book on Himmler?

Aryan Imperium
08-24-2008, 08:49 PM
The SS is interesting for a modern study of the last true Aryan warrior caste in the Western world. And world in general. Its the nearest window in time to view what the ancient Aryan Earl castes might have functioned like.

I agree. It is also the mystical element of the SS that I am drawn to.
My mother married into the SS when she married her first husband, an SS officer.

Aryan Imperium
08-24-2008, 08:50 PM
Yes, the SS is fascinating along these lines. Isn't Irving coming out with a book on Himmler?

Really? Do you have any further information, a link, anything at all?

Aryan Imperium
08-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Yeah the Asiatics in the Turkmenistani regiment were a nice example.

No such SS formation. It was an order of Aryan men only.

Crowley
08-24-2008, 11:20 PM
Really? Do you have any further information, a link, anything at all?


Here's something that indicates it's in the works:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Himmler/index.html

Vindex
08-25-2008, 01:50 AM
I do not know.

Yes, the SS is fascinating along these lines. Isn't Irving coming out with a book on Himmler?

Vindex
08-25-2008, 01:57 AM
I came across a good book by Abir Taha on the subject I put it up on the level with Devi's works.

Since you believe in the spiritual in the real sense, I will tell you the truth most could not understand. Most if not all of the Aryans who fell in the war have been reborn into new Aryan bodies. Something very big is coming we are entering the New Aeon when the truth of NS shall be realized and the fouth Imperium shall rise as the Phoenix and defeat all enemies and man shall become God.

We are sitting on the verge of the Golden Age. Hitler lost a battle but won the war in the greatest sense.


I agree. It is also the mystical element of the SS that I am drawn to.
My mother married into the SS when she married her first husband, an SS officer.

ogenoct
08-25-2008, 07:29 AM
No such SS formation. It was an order of Aryan men only.

LOL! Here is a list of "Aryan" SS divisions:

1. Indians: http://www.feldgrau.com/lindian.html

2. Caucasians: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5801

3. Turkics (including from Turkestan [nowadays known as Turkmenistan]): http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=510

4. Tatars: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5802

Aryan Imperium
08-25-2008, 10:35 AM
[QUOTE]I came across a good book by Abir Taha on the subject I put it up on the level with Devi's works.

I have that book. It is a masterpiece and the writer, an academic appears to be very sympathetic or at least very objective in her handling of the subject matter.
If you look at her profile she appears to be Aryan.
"Nietzsche, Prophet of Nazism. The Cult of the Superman."

Since you believe in the spiritual in the real sense, I will tell you the truth most could not understand. Most if not all of the Aryans who fell in the war have been reborn into new Aryan bodies. Something very big is coming we are entering the New Aeon when the truth of NS shall be realized and the fouth Imperium shall rise as the Phoenix and defeat all enemies and man shall become God.

I feel the same thing. We are on the threshold of becoming god. I believe we will see the dawn of the 6th Root Race.

We are sitting on the verge of the Golden Age. Hitler lost a battle but won the war in the greatest sense.

Indeed and He continues the struggle from spiritual realms.

Aryan Imperium
08-25-2008, 10:59 AM
LOL! Here is a list of "Aryan" SS divisions:

1. Indians: http://www.feldgrau.com/lindian.html

2. Caucasians: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5801

3. Turkics (including from Turkestan [nowadays known as Turkmenistan]): http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=510

4. Tatars: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5802

Now you know as well as I do that these were not SS Divisions in the accepted sense but mere auxillary units under the command of the SS.

"While the majority of Waffen-SS men were non-Germans, the wartime Waffen-SS officer corps consisted almost entirely of German nationals, who held all the most senior posts. The vast majority of non-German officers in the foreign divisions off the SS had their ranks prefixed by `Legions-` or `Waffen-` rather than `SS-`[Eg. Waffen-Standartenfuehrer der SS] and they like their men were not classed as SS members. Because of this, even `heroic` figures such as Leon Degrelle, holder of the Knight`s Cross with Oakleaves and first recipient of the Close Combat Clasp in Gold, did not merit inclusion in the Dienstalterliste.

"Divisions staffed by Germans were known as `SS-Division`, while those comprising mainly Volksdeutsche or Germanic personnel, whether volunteers or conscripts, were called `SS-Freiwilligen Division`. Units composed primarily of east Europeans or Russians came into the category of `Waffen Division der SS`, a term of inferiority which denoted attachment to, rther than actual membership of, the Waffen-SS."

[SS Himmler`s Black Order 1923-45 by Robin Lumsden]

Longinus
08-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Where did Nazis got their ideas from?

From Plato they have borrowed the Hyperborean/Aryan/Atlantis myth about "chosen" elite of priests. No wonder Plato also had a great influence on Christian teology that shaped Germanic feudal society as well. Like many authoritarian regimes nazis were influenced by Plato's idealism, utopian model of the "ideal" state that partially resembled small aristocratic city-state of Sparta subsided on the labor of oppressed serfs of a different race. Similar models we find in pharaonic Egypt and other traditional eastern monarchies that also influenced Plato's visions. In Plato's utopia aristocracy rules unchecked, just like in Sparta. Ruling elite is a class apart like the Jesuits in old Paraguay or the Communist party in the USSR. Culture and education are subjected to rigid censorship and there to serve the social order of aristocracy. "Marriages" are arranged by the state and children are eugenicized without knowledge of their parents and brought up by the state. People concerned have no voice.

It's no wonder Plato's Sparta appears as a miniature of the state that the nazis wanted to establish if victorious. Aristotle noticed that the world-state of Alexander was making Plato's City State model obsolete and he criticized Plato's physiographical idealization of Sparta and also every point of Sparta's constitution. Unlike people of Hellenism and Hellenistic Rome Spartans were narrowly provincial in their outlooks, much like northern barbarians (the Christian Europe's elite) and Jews (the invented, biblical elite).

Regardless if the privileged prefer to call them selves "god white men" or "the wise men of Zion" or "holier than thou" or "more equal amongst equals", there is only one cure for those who regard them selves elected by birth and empowered to transform your state into prison. It was first tested duriung displacement of Germanic elite from revolutionary France:
http://www.animalrightsdiscussion.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/smilie_guillotine.gif

albion
08-25-2008, 01:07 PM
Waffen SS - Part 1
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=434

Waffen SS - Part 2
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=435

Waffen SS - Part 3
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=436

Waffen SS - Part 4
http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=437

Sudaev
08-25-2008, 02:19 PM
Now you know as well as I do that these were not SS Divisions in the accepted sense but mere auxillary units under the command of the SS.

"While the majority of Waffen-SS men were non-Germans, the wartime Waffen-SS officer corps consisted almost entirely of German nationals, who held all the most senior posts. The vast majority of non-German officers in the foreign divisions off the SS had their ranks prefixed by `Legions-` or `Waffen-` rather than `SS-`[Eg. Waffen-Standartenfuehrer der SS] and they like their men were not classed as SS members. Because of this, even `heroic` figures such as Leon Degrelle, holder of the Knight`s Cross with Oakleaves and first recipient of the Close Combat Clasp in Gold, did not merit inclusion in the Dienstalterliste.

"Divisions staffed by Germans were known as `SS-Division`, while those comprising mainly Volksdeutsche or Germanic personnel, whether volunteers or conscripts, were called `SS-Freiwilligen Division`. Units composed primarily of east Europeans or Russians came into the category of `Waffen Division der SS`, a term of inferiority which denoted attachment to, rther than actual membership of, the Waffen-SS."

[SS Himmler`s Black Order 1923-45 by Robin Lumsden]

So now you've moved the goalposts to only include actual members of the SS...

Aryan Imperium
08-25-2008, 02:56 PM
So now you've moved the goalposts to only include actual members of the SS...

I have not "moved the goalposts". What a ridiculous thing for you to say! I have made it quite clear that only Aryans and normally Germanic ones at that were permitted to join the SS. Please do pay attention!

ogenoct
08-26-2008, 04:29 PM
My mother married into the SS when she married her first husband, an SS officer.

Hahahahahahahaha! What a ridiculous LIE!

Constantin

Petr
08-26-2008, 04:32 PM
Hahahahahahahaha! What a ridiculous LIE!
I am indeed beginning to suspect that Gary Glitter-loving AI likes to spin self-aggrandizing tall tales about his august self.


Petr

Aryan Imperium
08-26-2008, 06:18 PM
Hahahahahahahaha! What a ridiculous LIE!

Constantin


Hoffburg, have you not been taking your medication today?
Why is it a lie?

Aryan Imperium
08-26-2008, 06:21 PM
I am indeed beginning to suspect that Gary Glitter-loving AI likes to spin self-aggrandizing tall tales about his august self.


Petr


What is `self-aggrandizing` about me saying that my late mother`s first husband was an SS officer? There were plenty of them in WWII and I have never denied being half German.
You really are clutching at straws Peter. Unable to address the issues within these threads you choose instead like a typical jew to attack the poster personally.
You are a piss-poor example of a xtian and I have met many over the years.