Neo-nazism

[Auftrag]

I don't know how many people on this board consider themselves to be "neo-nazis" but I find the whole culture and practices of modern day so-called nazi organisations to be totally disorganised, unnecessarily violent and totally bizarre. No aspect of it in anyway promotes traditional Aryan values or culture nor does it form solidarity with working Aryan folk who daily have to grind without control in their own nations.

Listening to heavy metal or punk, shaving your head, arbitrarily beating people up and having a swastika tattoo doesn't qualify you as National Socialist.

[Auftrag]

I guess there aren't many "nazi's" on here...

[albion]

National Socialist Movement

Exposing America's Nazi Party

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http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/nsm.htm

[Crowley]

I guess there aren't many "nazi's" on here...

Nope. //////////////////////

[Auftrag]

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Ian_front.jpg

Ok, fair enough. You clearly have a respect for dead musicians. You invoke racial symbolism, but in reality what has this got to do with National Socialism?

[albion]

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Neo-nazis rarely have anything to do with Reality. ... What was the question, again?

[Westminster]

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Neo-nazis rarely have anything to do with Reality. ... What was the question, again?

What do you mean?

[Auftrag]

Neo-nazis rarely have anything to do with Reality. ... What was the question, again?

I tend to agree, but I fear for different reasons.

[Larrikin]

I guess there aren't many "nazi's" on here...
Apart from Aryan Imperium as an esoteric Hitler worshipper that still seeks for the Final Solution to come around -his neo-Nazi equivalent of The Rapture, I guess- and IlluSionS praising the NS purity of arts and taste while at the time posting his favorite tentacle porn, there's not much Nutzis (what is, I think, the term generally used for the type you describe), around here.

You should get along quite well with Arrow Cross and some others.

[Felix the Cat]

Listening to heavy metal or punk, shaving your head, arbitrarily beating people up and having a swastika tattoo doesn't qualify you as National Socialist. No, but people with shaved heads and tattoos would definitely not have been out of place in NS Germany

[Auftrag]

No, but people with shaved heads and tattoos would definitely not have been out of place in NS Germany

Neither would people wearing hats.

[albion]

Listening to heavy metal or punk, shaving your head, arbitrarily beating people up and having a swastika tattoo doesn't qualify you as National Socialist.
What does qualify me as a National Socialist, in your opinion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazi

http://www.dialoginternational.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/19/skinheads_070913_ms.jpg

[Wodan]

I would not qualify a skinhead with tattoos as a National-Socialist!

The whole 'blood-and-honour' scene created by bands like 'screwdriver' is a load of rubbish.

In my opinion - anyone wearing a tattoo is not fit to be National Socialist.

[ogenoct]

In my opinion - anyone wearing a tattoo is not fit to be National Socialist.

Are you saying that no member of the SS was a National Socialist?

[Westminster]

It's called AWM or Angry White Men :rolleyes:

Everybody's got an angle on this "market." Heck, Cramer used it to build his show and then "expanded."

Oh and in case you hadn't noticed, there's a whole lot of little chickies running around with The Skinners now. Apparently, they have expanded too. You know there was a Klan for Negros :rofl: How about The KikeKlan?! or The HomoKlan? What's next, the Klan of Islamia!

I think what's missing is a Klan for stutterers. The GGGGGGGGGimpKlan!

[albion]

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[Westminster]

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[Westminster]

Sun Burn lands Dad in Jail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9d5lzSXdyU

Slut = Role Model?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRBI_OyfsJQ

Quit STealing our Money!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ9kgvsj77Q&feature=user

Hitler Costume; Let it Go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0VIf1u4bsI

[ironweed]

I've never understood how an American, Briton, Russian, Australian or what have you could possibly adopt a political philosophy that its creator deemed to be "not for export" beyond Germany.

With fascism, falangism, etc., there's no such limitation.

[Auftrag]

I've never understood how an American, Briton, Russian, Australian or what have you could possibly adopt a political philosophy that its creator deemed to be "not for export" beyond Germany.

Yet he invaded the rest of Europe in an attempt to create a pan-European Aryan society. Although I accept your point about Russia. Russia is a degenerate, backwards nation governed by slavs and propped up by Jews.

[Auftrag]

What does qualify me as a National Socialist, in your opinion?

Someone who follows the politics and philosophy of National Socialism; has solidarity with his kin, is disciplined, obedient and loyal. Someone who upholds decent standards, defends his culture and race and acts with honour.

I see none of that in the neo-"nazi" movement. All I see is degenerate thugs who get drunk, take drugs and commit acts of arbitrary violence in no organised or co-ordinated way and do nothing to advance the cause of National Socialism.

As far as I can see they consider National Socialism to be a lifestyle choice and worship Adolf Hitler without understanding what that means or indeed even caring.

[albion]

All I see is degenerate thugs who get drunk, take drugs and commit acts of arbitrary violence ....
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/rohm.jpg Ernst Röhm

How about this guy? What do you see here?
Degenerate thug; leader of a band of violent thugs.
and he got repaid for his loyalty to der Führer.

[ironweed]

Yet he invaded the rest of Europe in an attempt to create a pan-European Aryan society.

Where did Hitler or any of the other central figures in NS era Germany ever speak of creating a "pan-European Aryan society?" I admit I lacked the stomach to do more than skim Rosenberg's nutty ramblings, but I've read the Mein Kampf. Heck, in the Goebbels Diaries and can think of several places where reference is made to a truncated France, a puppet state for Norway, to say nothing of an Australia gone completely Asian as all par for the course. Perhaps it is in the Table Talk (which I admit I've also not read)somewhere?

Anyway, you've also (curiously) not responded to my thought that Hitler specifically and on more than one occassion stated that National Socialism was NOT for export to non-Germans. I mean, you do agree that he did in fact state this, at least?

Although I accept your point about Russia. Russia is a degenerate, backwards nation governed by slavs and propped up by Jews.

Oh, boy. I think I'll just let that one go. :)

[Westminster]

This seems much more inline from what I've heard from people who actually lived through it and, by the way, are not "Jews."

"I've only heard the term in post-war Berlin, referring to Soviet troops who kicked in the few remaining doors, among their other excesses, broke the dishes and then had their stew served in a chamber pot, and had never seen or heard of flush toilets before. Of course, many British, and US GIs from Depression US, hadn't either before the Army...many students of those times find any citation whatever to IMT 'evidence' utterly valueless, shall we say...anyway, 'Untermensch' Ukrainians formed an entire Waffen SS Division, and thousands of anti-Bolshevik Eastern Europeans did indeed fight in various German units...but isn't the second photo caption a biggest ooops? The Vinnytsia massacre in Ukraine was like Katyn Forest--done by the Soviets (NKVD), who blamed the deaths on the Germans. As you well know, or should 72.81.84.211 (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Untermensch

[Auftrag]

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/rohm.jpg Ernst Röhm

How about this guy? What do you see here?
Degenerate thug; leader of a band of violent thugs.
and he got repaid for his loyalty to der Führer.

First of all there was nothing degenerate about Ernst Röhm, he was a discplined soldier. Secondly, his organisation that he controlled was specifically designed for political violence, but it was co-ordinated, organised and disciplined. I don't oppose political violence, but only when it's objective is clear.

Moreover, Hitler's murder of Röhm was the consequence of Himmler's and Goerings betrayal. They saw Röhm as a threat to their power and in fact lied to Hitler about an attempted coup. This was never the case. His murder signified an end to what National Socialism had been originally and ultimately what it became.

[albion]

Mmmm, okay....so you like your violence co-ordinated, organised and disciplined. Dressed up in a pressed brown shirt, with a good haircut.
Others were appalled at the scale of the executions and at the relative complacency of many of their fellow Germans. "A very calm and easygoing mailman," the diarist Victor Klemperer wrote, "who is not at all National Socialist, said, 'Well, he simply sentenced them.'" It did not escape Klemperer's notice that many of the victims had played a role in bringing Hitler to power. "A chancellor", he wrote, "sentences and shoots members of his own private army!" The extent of the massacre and the relative ubiquity of the Gestapo, however, meant that those who disapproved of the purge generally kept quiet about it.

Hitler named Victor Lutze to replace Röhm as head of the SA. Hitler ordered him, as one prominent historian described it, to put an end to "homosexuality, debauchery, drunkenness, and high living" in the SA. Hitler expressly told him to stop SA funds from being spent on limousines and banquets, which he considered evidence of SA extravagance. A weak man, Lutze did little to assert the SA's independence in the coming years, and the SA gradually lost its power in Hitler's Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

[Auftrag]

Mmmm, okay....so you like your violence co-ordinated, organised and disciplined. Dressed up in a pressed brown shirt, with a good haircut.

Following orders with honour and obedience. Yes, that's precisley what I "like".

Others were appalled at the scale of the executions and at the relative complacency of many of their fellow Germans. "A very calm and easygoing mailman," the diarist Victor Klemperer wrote, "who is not at all National Socialist, said, 'Well, he simply sentenced them.'" It did not escape Klemperer's notice that many of the victims had played a role in bringing Hitler to power. "A chancellor", he wrote, "sentences and shoots members of his own private army!" The extent of the massacre and the relative ubiquity of the Gestapo, however, meant that those who disapproved of the purge generally kept quiet about it.

Hitler named Victor Lutze to replace Röhm as head of the SA. Hitler ordered him, as one prominent historian described it, to put an end to "homosexuality, debauchery, drunkenness, and high living" in the SA. Hitler expressly told him to stop SA funds from being spent on limousines and banquets, which he considered evidence of SA extravagance. A weak man, Lutze did little to assert the SA's independence in the coming years, and the SA gradually lost its power in Hitler's Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives


Wikipedia, are you serious?

Hitler, unfortunately, by 1934 had come under the influence of Himmler and to a lesser extent Goering. These were the charges meted out to Rohm, and while it is true he was a homosexual, these other things were exaggerations offered to justify the removal of Rohm, who incidentally was the main rival to Himmler.

[Wodan]

Someone who follows the politics and philosophy of National Socialism; has solidarity with his kin, is disciplined, obedient and loyal. Someone who upholds decent standards, defends his culture and race and acts with honour.

I see none of that in the neo-"nazi" movement. All I see is degenerate thugs who get drunk, take drugs and commit acts of arbitrary violence in no organised or co-ordinated way and do nothing to advance the cause of National Socialism.

As far as I can see they consider National Socialism to be a lifestyle choice and worship Adolf Hitler without understanding what that means or indeed even caring.

'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Auftrag again.'

[Aryan Imperium]

I don't know how many people on this board consider themselves to be "neo-nazis" but I find the whole culture and practices of modern day so-called nazi organisations to be totally disorganised, unnecessarily violent and totally bizarre. No aspect of it in anyway promotes traditional Aryan values or culture nor does it form solidarity with working Aryan folk who daily have to grind without control in their own nations.

Listening to heavy metal or punk, shaving your head, arbitrarily beating people up and having a swastika tattoo doesn't qualify you as National Socialist.

You seem to have fallen for the jewwood stereotype.
I have a swastika tattoo, a shaved head and listen to Black Metal and I would argue that there is nothing `bizarre` or `unAryan` about doing so.
Certain musical genres such as Black Metal, Folk Metal and certain types of Heavy Metal and Punk do actually promote Aryan values and a racialist and warrior Weltanschauung.
They can be useful tools for drawing in the young whilst they are still impressionable and relatively uncynical.

[Aryan Imperium]

I would not qualify a skinhead with tattoos as a National-Socialist!

The whole 'blood-and-honour' scene created by bands like 'screwdriver' is a load of rubbish.

In my opinion - anyone wearing a tattoo is not fit to be National Socialist.

I have six tattoos. Why does that make me `unfit` to be a National Socialist?

[Aryan Imperium]

Someone who follows the politics and philosophy of National Socialism; has solidarity with his kin, is disciplined, obedient and loyal. Someone who upholds decent standards, defends his culture and race and acts with honour.

I see none of that in the neo-"nazi" movement. All I see is degenerate thugs who get drunk, take drugs and commit acts of arbitrary violence in no organised or co-ordinated way and do nothing to advance the cause of National Socialism.

As far as I can see they consider National Socialism to be a lifestyle choice and worship Adolf Hitler without understanding what that means or indeed even caring.

And how many people of this type have you actually encountered?
The Internet and jewwood films do not count!

[Auftrag]

And how many people of this type have you actually encountered?

I've encountered it enough to know that I am right.

[Blighter]

...there was nothing degenerate about Ernst Röhm...

...it is true he was a homosexual...

So there is then, in your view, nothing degenerate about homosexuality?

[Vindex]

This is a interesting and prehaps important point while I don't shave my head I notice today many youth do in general. And I also notice just about one in half dozen wear black by habit.

I think this is in our genetic and spiritual memory the Aryan priests of our race from Aere to India shaved their heads and I believe the Druids did too and that the long haired and beard image is incorrect. I viewed an ancient image of a Priest holding Thor's hammer from Britian and he had a shaved head and was clean shaven he could have been a Sumerian Priest, Brahmin.etc A closer study shows they all came from a primodal Priesthood of the Serpent.

Black is also an ancient colour much worn by our pre-christian ancestors and was a holy colour that represents the rebirth of the soul. Things are changing and I believe peoples racial memories are awakening. This is why popular music and themes that use Aryan symbols are important they help to trigger this.

I have a swastika tattoo, a shaved head and listen to Black Metal and I would argue that there is nothing `bizarre` or `unAryan` about doing so.

[Vindex]

Ian played an important role and also shows the power of art when harnessed for polictical ideals. Before Ian NS was not very popular among youth after Ian their where legions of NS youth across the Western world. Ian was also given a very a very big money offer for a record deal with the mainstream if he would openly sell out his NS ideals. He said no and went back to living hand to mouth. That is the Aryan/NS way of true honour which comes from an inner spiritual strenght.

Not everyone is quality and like all groups there is the dross and pure to be seperated. A lot of the skins grew up went to school got jobs and now how families that they are bringing up on Aryan values.


I would not qualify a skinhead with tattoos as a National-Socialist!

The whole 'blood-and-honour' scene created by bands like 'screwdriver' is a load of rubbish.

In my opinion - anyone wearing a tattoo is not fit to be National Socialist.

[Starr]

I don't know how many people on this board consider themselves to be "neo-nazis" but I find the whole culture and practices of modern day so-called nazi organisations to be totally disorganised, unnecessarily violent and totally bizarre. No aspect of it in anyway promotes traditional Aryan values or culture nor does it form solidarity with working Aryan folk who daily have to grind without control in their own nations.



Of course this is what you are going to see. Anything completely outside of the mainstream, especially something that people have been taught to associate with evil, is going to attract people for all of the wrong reasons. Angry, disenfranchised people who merely want to be different or rebellious,etc. Some of them you will likely see move on to something else, always searching for a larger identity and group to belong to. With others there is some hope possibly merely because something in them pulled them towards the particular ideology.

Certain musical genres such as Black Metal, Folk Metal and certain types of Heavy Metal and Punk do actually promote Aryan values and a racialist and warrior Weltanschauung.
They can be useful tools for drawing in the young whilst they are still impressionable and relatively uncynical.

Agreed with that.

[Wodan]

Tattoos does not equate with National Socialism.

....neither does that silly group called Screwdriver.

Neither are acceptable.

[ogenoct]

I have a swastika tattoo, a shaved head and listen to Black Metal

:rofl: Clown.

[delete]

:rofl: Clown.
Narcisisst :rofl:

[Aryan Imperium]

:rofl: Clown.

So says the man with the homosexual hairstyle, thumbring and very young boyfriend.

[Blighter]

So says the man with the homosexual hairstyle, thumbring and very young boyfriend.

Who are you to criticise anybody else's haircut? Skinheads are the domain of fags, thugs and the terminally cancer-ridden.

[Aryan Imperium]

Who are you to criticise anybody else's haircut? Skinheads are the domain of fags, thugs and the terminally cancer-ridden.

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that skinheads are

a. The domain of fags?

b. Thugs?
By the way how do you define a `thug`?

and

c. They are `terminally cancer-ridden`?

[Aryan Imperium]

This is a interesting and prehaps important point while I don't shave my head I notice today many youth do in general. And I also notice just about one in half dozen wear black by habit.

I think this is in our genetic and spiritual memory the Aryan priests of our race from Aere to India shaved their heads and I believe the Druids did too and that the long haired and beard image is incorrect. I viewed an ancient image of a Priest holding Thor's hammer from Britian and he had a shaved head and was clean shaven he could have been a Sumerian Priest, Brahmin.etc A closer study shows they all came from a primodal Priesthood of the Serpent.

Black is also an ancient colour much worn by our pre-christian ancestors and was a holy colour that represents the rebirth of the soul. Things are changing and I believe peoples racial memories are awakening. This is why popular music and themes that use Aryan symbols are important they help to trigger this.

Great post and I wish I could rep you for this.
Could you/would you initiate a thread on this fascinating subject in Ziggurat?

[albion]

VIDEO: Dr William Pierce talks about neo-nazis in the WN movement

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[Blighter]

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that skinheads are

a. The domain of fags?

http://bluebirdsaresonatural.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/right-said-fred_2004.jpg

b. Thugs?

http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russia-immigration/russian-skinheads.jpg

By the way how do you define a `thug`?

An unruly, anti-social, violent, yobbish miscreant.

and

c. They are `terminally cancer-ridden`?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/338320.jpg

So that's that settled then.

[Wodan]

It is a bit difficult in this day and age for young people to decide on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable, which is not any fault of their own. The reason being - it's fair to say, that most of western people have been lured into the state of ignorance, and this is still true.

However, for anyone who is serious enough about National Socialism there is enough material (even if it is jewish propaganda) for you to be able to decipher how a National Socialist presents themselves and behaves.

In the case of 'skinheads culture'!

A quick glance at documentaries on Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist in the 1940's is enough to summarise that 'skinheads' with their tatoos and Neanderthal ways are nothing to do with National Socialism.

Example Documentary

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[ogenoct]

A quick glance at documentaries on Adolph Hitler and the National Socialist in the 1940's is enough to summarise that 'skinheads' with their tatoos and Neanderthal ways are nothing to do with National Socialism.

People who cannot spell the first name of Hitler correctly also have nothing to do with National Socialism.

[Aryan Imperium]

It is a bit difficult in this day and age for young people to decide on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable, which is not any fault of their own. The reason being - it's fair to say, that most of western people have been lured into the state of ignorance, and this is still true.

However, for anyone who is serious enough about National Socialism there is enough material (even if it is jewish propaganda) for you to be able to decipher how a National Socialist presents themselves and behaves.

In the case of 'skinheads culture'!

A quick glance at documentaries on Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist in the 1940's is enough to summarise that 'skinheads' with their tatoos and Neanderthal ways are nothing to do with National Socialism.

Example Documentary

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Absolute nonsense on two counts-

a. You are adopting a negative jewish jewwood stereotype of Skinheads which does not accord with reality and

b. If I recall the NSDAP had their very own force of `thugs` and `rowdies`-the SA-Sturmabteilung.

A political movement like ours needs a strong male detachment who are willing to get their hands dirty. I find that utterly Aryan and in accord with the traditions of our masculine pre-xtianised ancestors.
You really do need to stop viewing National Socialism through such 21st century humanistic antiseptic eyes!

Violence is ennobling and liberating when directed to a noble end.

[Tellurocrat]

A political movement like ours needs a strong male detachment who are willing to get their hands dirty. I find that utterly Aryan and in accord with the traditions of our masculine pre-xtianised ancestors.
You really do need to stop viewing National Socialism through such 21st century humanistic antiseptic eyes!

Violence is ennobling and liberating when directed to a noble end.
Should that view appeal and apply only to National Socialists and/or Aryans?

[Westminster]

I guess "Skin Heads" are scary. Of course, Blacks are constantly marketed as scary. Also, everyone is terrified of, what appear to be, "Bogus Jews" and nobody wants to make women mad, because they'll get in "big trouble." So, I guess it isn't surprising that White Men would want to find a way to be scary too!

[Masty]

Tattoos does not equate with National Socialism.

....neither does that silly group called Screwdriver.

Neither are acceptable.Let me ask you one question; do you consider yer-self to be a National Socialist? Because if you do, then you must be the only person on the entire planet to repeatedly bad-mouth Skrewdriver on various Forums. I strongly suspect that you are not an N.S.

Ian played an important role and also shows the power of art when harnessed for polictical ideals. Before Ian NS was not very popular among youth after Ian their where legions of NS youth across the Western world. Ian was also given a very a very big money offer for a record deal with the mainstream if he would openly sell out his NS ideals. He said no and went back to living hand to mouth. That is the Aryan/NS way of true honour which comes from an inner spiritual strenght.

Not everyone is quality and like all groups there is the dross and pure to be seperated. A lot of the skins grew up went to school got jobs and now how families that they are bringing up on Aryan values.Fine post, Vindex. When Skrewdriver first hit the Skinhead scene, all Nationalist parties(in the u.k.) saw an explosion of new membership and support. And for me personally, Ian Stuart is and always will be a hero of the White Race. No-matter what red's like the dumb-ass albionmp spew-out.

[Masty]

People who cannot spell the first name of Hitler correctly also have nothing to do with National Socialism.HA! :rofl: Yeah, that and the fact he can't spell Skrewdriver right either raises my eyebrow.....

[Arrow Cross]

VIDEO: Dr William Pierce talks about neo-nazis in the WN movement
Very wise words that should be heeded on both sides of the Atlantic.

[Wodan]

Another example of meaningless posts.

When you know the difference between National Socialism and 'the White race' and between National Socialism and 'Nationalist parties in the UK.', then you can make a post.


Let me ask you one question; do you consider yer-self to be a National Socialist? Because if you do, then you must be the only person on the entire planet to repeatedly bad-mouth Skrewdriver on various Forums. I strongly suspect that you are not an N.S.

Fine post, Vindex. When Skrewdriver first hit the Skinhead scene, all Nationalist parties(in the u.k.) saw an explosion of new membership and support. And for me personally, Ian Stuart is and always will be a hero of the White Race. No-matter what red's like the dumb-ass albionmp spew-out.

[Masty]

eh, wo-tang, yer the empty head you posts the exact same post on different Forums:
http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=110551&postcount=29
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=609439&postcount=46

Sure, ofcourse I know the 'differences', I also know the differences between red-inspired posts and pro-White posts. I'm not the one who had to go back and edit posts were the poster mis-spelt Hitler's name..... :rofl:

[Westminster]

I think there are all sorts of types out there who think Nazis were kinda cool. Some are thugs. Others appreciate Classical Music and fine wine. Others are scholars; while others can barely read. I guess in this regard, Nazi-think-kinda-coolers aren't unique.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/ja2.jpg

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/ja2.jpg

[Aryan Imperium]

Should that view appeal and apply only to National Socialists and/or Aryans?

It depends if it is in pursuit of a higher ideal rather than violence for the sake of violence.

[albion]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142007/photos/tv083a.jpg

November 14, 2007

THE first thing you notice about the racist skin heads on the National Geographic special "American Skinheads" is that the white racists featured have the worst skin on national TV.

The second thing you notice is that the five o'clock shadows on their shaved heads reveal that most of them also have giant receding hairlines.

I can understand now why they shave their heads (better to be angry with a shaved head than angry with a giant comb-over, I suppose).

But why anyone would want to preserve the national purity of skin that's bursting with giant acne pustules, I can't say.

That aside, the special is scary on several other levels.

For one thing, in 2001 there were 5,000 known racist skinheads (as opposed to regular old hate-everyone skinheads). In 2007, there are now 10,000 of these mugs.

The show shows and tells, in chilling detail, how easy it is these days to recruit disenfranchised kids and older, powerless men via the Internet.

It's a magnet for lonely loonies who find a family for their fear, anger and hatred.

The documentary follows some of the leaders of the most vitriolic, violence-promoting groups who, as it turns out, all seem to be bigger publicity whores than Paris Hilton - and just as bright.

Take Martin Cox, skinhead out of Orange County, Calif.,who is a musician/hate-monger who says of Mexican immigrants: "It's time to start killing these people and getting them outta here!"

I guess that would include the Mexican volunteer firefighters who came over the border to help put out the wildfires that were started by an American kid.

Then there's Erich Gliebe, president of the racist record label Resistance Records, with sales of $1 million a year and whose groups promote the idea that the US should be divided by race, sexual preference and religious creed.

I don't know which side Gliebe would fall on however, because he's a strange shade of grey - like jaundice is one second from setting in.

Most ignorant of all is a guy in a cowboy hat named Tom Metzger. He is an Internet-radio host and former KKK member who preaches violence and hatred against everyone who doesn't look like him and his group.

I don't blame him. If there are no other men left on the planet maybe these extremely unattractive, pasty men can finally get lucky.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142007/tv/lonely_looney_tunes_937669.htm

[Masty]

I'm trying real hard to bite my tongue here.

Out of the last few posters - has anyone one of you actually met a Skinhead?

[Wodan]

I suspect the British created the skinheads to lower the moral character of young people who are attracted to the Swastika.

It has worked upto a point following WW2, with thousands of young people being misled into shaving their heads, having ugly tatoos and becoming undisplined.

However, I do see a change and with a bit of luck our young people as a group will dump the skinheads where they belong - in the bin with the British and that silly Union Jack (which incidentally was created by the catholic backed Stewarts, and not the English, Irish, Scots or Welsh).

[Dynamic]

I just want to mention that there were skinhead gangs among the youth culture during the early 1970's. They didn't really have links with neo-nazism as they were more prone to be like the thugs in "A Clockwork Orange". It was the neo-nazis who possibly adopted the skinhead image.

I don't recall reading anything about druids shaving their heads but I will be interested in finding out this. By the way the Merlin types in "Boadicca" and "Excalibur" portray a shaved headed wizard or druid. Ancient Egyptian priests had shaved heads. Tattoos were worn by Celtic warriors. So I guess some NS men feel this warrior instinct to shave their hair and place tattoos on their skin. Soldiers in modern armies have closely cropped hair and even shaved heads, which is different to how Vikings used to wear their hair long.

[redknight]

Absolute nonsense on two counts-

a. You are adopting a negative jewish jewwood stereotype of Skinheads which does not accord with reality and

b. If I recall the NSDAP had their very own force of `thugs` and `rowdies`-the SA-Sturmabteilung.

A political movement like ours needs a strong male detachment who are willing to get their hands dirty. I find that utterly Aryan and in accord with the traditions of our masculine pre-xtianised ancestors.
You really do need to stop viewing National Socialism through such 21st century humanistic antiseptic eyes!

Violence is ennobling and liberating when directed to a noble end. And the Communists had the Red Front. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotfrontk%C3%A4mpferbund There also are Communist/socialist skinheads as well, called redskins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(subculture)

[calvin]

I am by no means advocating violence here, but let's be realistic, the propensity of the Black community to riot with violence when they think their interests are being compromised is a lurking threat that significantly influences political decisions in their favour. I think if you look at the amount of funding recieved by the state for minority groups, I think it will directly correlate with the amount of violence that will result in "offending" them. If you say nothing and obey the law you just get more accusations of intolerance and squeezed for more taxes. Rampage for two days looting burning and attacking and you get millions of pounds in "regeneration grants".

[Westminster]

I am by no means advocating violence here, but let's be realistic, the propensity of the Black community to riot with violence when they think their interests are being compromised is a lurking threat that significantly influences political decisions in their favour. I think if you look at the amount of funding recieved by the state for minority groups, I think it will directly correlate with the amount of violence that will result in "offending" them. If you say nothing and obey the law you just get more accusations of intolerance and squeezed for more taxes. Rampage for two days looting burning and attacking and you get millions of pounds in "regeneration grants".

I like seeing White guys stand up to Blacks. I think it diminishes their power. Of course, it is other Whites that will betray them.

[Eisenhans]

Has anyone noticed how a lot of the neo's try to be like Hitler by two things:

1. Writing a book
2. When making speeches, trying to immitate his public speaking style in an absurd way, mainly by screaming and pounding on the podium.

[Aryan Imperium]

I am by no means advocating violence here, but let's be realistic, the propensity of the Black community to riot with violence when they think their interests are being compromised is a lurking threat that significantly influences political decisions in their favour. I think if you look at the amount of funding recieved by the state for minority groups, I think it will directly correlate with the amount of violence that will result in "offending" them. If you say nothing and obey the law you just get more accusations of intolerance and squeezed for more taxes. Rampage for two days looting burning and attacking and you get millions of pounds in "regeneration grants".

There is nothing at all wrong with purposeful and directed violence in support of a higher cause. The IRA are an excellent example to study but there is also much to be said for the concept of leaderless resistance.

[Westminster]

There's a huge minority of Germans in America, who were humbled by Germany's loss in WWI and II, but humiliated by the aftermath. This humiliation appears to have no end in site! Moreover, it all seems to center around the humiliation of their, "Fuhrer and Fatherland." Thus, it seems logical to conclude, that an attempt to prove their ancestors as decent and then the response of taking great pride in them (seeing as how long it has be repressed and oppressed) seems, if I do say so myself, APPROPRIATE!

[Mockery]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVxqN4rg1c

[CBETA88]

I don't know how many people on this board consider themselves to be "neo-nazis" but I find the whole culture and practices of modern day so-called nazi organisations to be totally disorganised, unnecessarily violent and totally bizarre. No aspect of it in anyway promotes traditional Aryan values or culture nor does it form solidarity with working Aryan folk who daily have to grind without control in their own nations.

Listening to heavy metal or punk, shaving your head, arbitrarily beating people up and having a swastika tattoo doesn't qualify you as National Socialist.

I perfectly agree.

As being a pure National Socialist it is rather humiliating for me to see skin-head thugs tarnishing the noble name of National Socialism. I'm no 'gun-grabber' but I am against meaningless violence. I think it is-- they are drawn to the 'scene', too look bad and tough or as a rebel. Still, with that being said, it pains me to see this phenomenon. Hitler would be ashamed... :(

[conkey]

"The Nazi's" were into far more than "Jews". The had great ambitions for architecture, industry, and society, not to mention governing other people. They were well disciplined and very well organised, go figure, German traits. They had a great interest in building things, not just destroying them. I would not choose Fascism, for my form of government, but it was interested in far more things than current "neo-nazi" groups get up too. I don't see many of these teenage skinheads, listening to Buckner, and spending countless hours drawing up copious plans on how they would better run their local town's water supply, or expand its airport. The neo-nazi skinhead punks, are attracted to the violent, and the definite style portrayed by the Nazi’s themselves, and their detractors, then again, so is Brian Ferry, who got in a bit of trouble for his public declaration of his appreciation for the material stylings of Luftwaffe officers.

[cerberus]

conkey
They were well disciplined and very well organised, go figure, German traits.

Hitler - organised ??
The Third Reich - well organised ??
Some individuals were , the state was anything but.
Goverment by infighting and "Darwinism" - wasteful.

The had great ambitions for architecture, industry, and society, not to mention governing other people.
Buildings which they could not afford and didn't need.
Industry - they created and beefed up the arms industry - domestic is
industry for consumer goods didn't exist.

Governing other people , those whom they were not going to kill that is.
( No let's not go Holocaust on this one - I am thinking of the east - the populations they intended to relocate).

Society - yes "T4" was a wonderful plan to slaughter the most vunerable section of society - just to save money and put it into the military and party buildings.

[conkey]

I guess it was all luck on their part, would that be your assessment?

I suppose the rocket program, and its key people that the Americans were so eager to have come to their country in secret was just a big fluke.

Please don't confuse my assessment of their ability to get things done with my opinions on their morality

[Wodan]

Tattoos does not equate with National Socialism.

....neither does that silly group called Screwdriver.

Neither are acceptable.



Let me ask you one question; do you consider yer-self to be a National Socialist? Because if you do, then you must be the only person on the entire planet to repeatedly bad-mouth Skrewdriver on various Forums. I strongly suspect that you are not an N.S.



Originally Posted by Vindex
Ian played an important role and also shows the power of art when harnessed for polictical ideals. Before Ian NS was not very popular among youth after Ian their where legions of NS youth across the Western world. Ian was also given a very a very big money offer for a record deal with the mainstream if he would openly sell out his NS ideals. He said no and went back to living hand to mouth. That is the Aryan/NS way of true honour which comes from an inner spiritual strenght.

Not everyone is quality and like all groups there is the dross and pure to be seperated. A lot of the skins grew up went to school got jobs and now how families that they are bringing up on Aryan values.



Fine post, Vindex. When Skrewdriver first hit the Skinhead scene, all Nationalist parties(in the u.k.) saw an explosion of new membership and support. And for me personally, Ian Stuart is and always will be a hero of the White Race. No-matter what red's like the dumb-ass albionmp spew-out.


I did some checking on the label used by the band Screwdriver, it seems it was Communist after all:


http://www.micetrap.net/vinyl/whitepower.jpg

Clenched Fist: A History of the Communist Salute
GUMAER, David Emerson

Belmont, Mass.: American Opinion, ca. 1969. Illus. with photos. Wraps. 15 p . 11754

$20.00

The photos show individuals from Lee Harvey Oswald to Adam Clayton Powell and Shirley Chisholm to Jesse Jackson to Fidel Castro to Father Groppi to Charlene Mitchell and Mike Zagarell giving the clenched fist salute


The Aryan salutation (in contrast) is the right-arm (plam down) salute shown in Triumph of the Will.