UN condemns German school system

[ironweed]

I supposed relocating back to the Islamic paradise from whence they came isn't an option? :(


UN condemns German school system
By Ray Furlong
BBC News, Berlin

Germany's education system has been severely criticised by a UN special rapporteur who carried out an eight-day inspection of the country's schools.
Vernor Munoz said the system was excluding children from poor families and immigrant backgrounds from the chance of a good education.

The UN's human rights commission sent Mr Munoz to inspect Germany's schools and kindergartens.

The problems he drew attention to are no surprise for Germany.

But the mere fact that he was coming here was taken as a further sign that German schools are not up to standard, following a poor showing in a major international study four years ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4736910.stm

[Totenkopf]

The UN's human rights commission should better visting the situation of political prisoners like Ernst Zündel.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

We are having this same crap over in Spain where alll sorts of problems arrising from this new mud wave is of course to blame on Spanish racist schooling methods. Private schools will have to take up now also a certain quota of poor inmigrants.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Let me guess, that new socialist govnt made that law about the private schools?

[raven]

We are having this same crap over in Spain where alll sorts of problems arrising from this new mud wave is of course to blame on Spanish racist schooling methods. Private schools will have to take up now also a certain quota of poor inmigrants.
That is f'n ridiculous. They fuck over Spaniards just to appease to Moroccan scum or whatever.

[SteamshipTime]

We are having this same crap over in Spain where alll sorts of problems arrising from this new mud wave is of course to blame on Spanish racist schooling methods. Private schools will have to take up now also a certain quota of poor inmigrants.

Madness. Cultural suicide. :mad:

[The Retard]

True equality-of-opportunity is unachievable - but that won't stop people from trying.

[Niko Bellic]

True equality-of-opportunity is unachievable - but that won't stop people from trying.

Don't you mean equality of outcome? Equality of opportunity is easy. The lower mud races just get pissed off because they fail spectacularly even when they have an equal place to start from.

[Starr]

Don't you mean equality of outcome? Equality of opportunity is easy. The lower mud races just get pissed off because they fail spectacularly even when they have an equal place to start from.

Even with all of the preferences, the muds continue to fail. You can't really blame them for bitching and wanting more, however. I suppose it is much easier to buy into the idea that you are being "held back" than it is to accept the fact that you are lower.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Since Europe has decided it would rather import its labor, it shouldn't deny the children of those laborers a chance to learn at school. What is the legitimate argument against that?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Even with all of the preferences, the muds continue to fail.


Preferences like....not being allowed to attend?

[Starr]

Since Europe has decided it would rather import its labor, it shouldn't deny the children of those laborers a chance to learn at school. What is the legitimate argument against that?


If they want these children to take the place of their parents, they cannot be too educated. It doesn't sound like something they have to worry too much about with these muds.

[Dan Dare]

Since Europe has decided it would rather import its labor, it shouldn't deny the children of those laborers a chance to learn at school. What is the legitimate argument against that?

When did Europe actually decide that? I seem to have missed that choice being on the ballot.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Sulla likes to troll the evil WN once and again :p

He should go and read the "Camp of the Saints"

Link (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0936247061/qid=1140683973/sr=8-6/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl/203-3373273-0211117)

[Basil Fawlty]

Since Europe has decided it would rather import its labor, it shouldn't deny the children of those laborers a chance to learn at school. What is the legitimate argument against that?Europe has decided nothing of the kind, transnational capitalism has decided.

As Dan says "When did Europe actually decide that? I seem to have missed that choice being on the ballot."

[Sulla the Dictator]

Are these illegal immigrants? Did they swim across the Mediteranean or hike their way across the Middle East and Turkey?

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Actually yes...the inmense majority of those now here came ilegaly and have been taking advantage of the amnesties thrown at them. Sadly there is no effective way for a democracy to defend itself in today´s PC society against such floods.

Latest polls here in Spain amongst its citizenry gives inmigration as its second biggest concern behind unemployment. I asure you not many here wanted this to happen.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Actually yes...the inmense majority of those now here came ilegaly and have been taking advantage of the amnesties thrown at them. Sadly there is no effective way for a democracy to defend itself in today´s PC society against such floods.

Latest polls here in Spain amongst its citizenry gives inmigration as its second biggest concern behind unemployment. I asure you not many here wanted this to happen.

Thats now. We're talking about the children of 'families of immigrant backgrounds', which implies gastarbeiters to me.

[Sulla the Dictator]

And its going to continue.

The proposals come as several European countries, faced with the prospect of an ageing workforce, are looking at ways to attract foreign workers.

As he outlined the new proposals, the European Commissioner for Home Affairs, Antonio Vitorino, said immigration was neither a problem, nor a solution - it was a reality that had to be properly managed.

"This is just a first step for immigrants to come in legally and be given work permits and a generous set of rights if there are jobs, as we are increasingly aware that there are such jobs available for third country immigrants that cannot be filled by the local job market," he said.

At the moment, no one knows how many foreigners work legally in the EU. Mr Vitorino would like EU governments to make these figures public every month.

He also envisages an EU-wide data-base of job offers that would be made available to citizens of other countries. And he proposes simplified procedures for granting residence and work permits at the same time for those seeking jobs in the EU, similar to American green cards.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1434508.stm

I remember members of this board heralding the dawn of a new Europe to threaten the US with the formation of the EU. :p

Bet its not looking like much of a racial awakening now. :p

[Sulla the Dictator]

Latest polls here in Spain amongst its citizenry gives inmigration as its second biggest concern behind unemployment. I asure you not many here wanted this to happen.


Well, I actually wasn't specifically talking about Spain. But its false to argue that nations like Germany and France's immigration problems aren't of their own creation.

You can't ask immigrants to come work in your nation and then deny their children the opportunity to be anything but. They're not slaves.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Europe has decided nothing of the kind, transnational capitalism has decided.

As Dan says "When did Europe actually decide that? I seem to have missed that choice being on the ballot."

Hey, another coincidental position you share with the white supremacists. Wierd.

[Basil Fawlty]

Hey, another coincidental position you share with the white supremacists. Wierd.Most people who are against mass immigration are not white supremacists.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Most people who are against mass immigration are not white supremacists.

I'm not for mass immigration. I'm for letting the children of immigrants go to school, when you had their parents come in as laborers in the first place.

Thats what you're arguing against. Stop the muds, no?

[Ahknaton]

I'm not for mass immigration. I'm for letting the children of immigrants go to schoolThey are allowed to go to school, in the (free) state school system.

Saying that they are "excluded" is just an obfuscatory way of saying that they can't afford to send their children to the best private schools, and pretending that this is equivalent to a racially discriminatory law against immigrant children attending school. It's not the same thing.

[Sulla the Dictator]

They are allowed to go to school, in the (free) state school system.


I don't see that distinction made in this article. Perhaps you're familiar with a different article you'd like to share.

If thats the case, that they are simply unable to afford private school, then I could care less.

Thats quite different than barring tax payers and invited laborers from having their children attend school.


Saying that they are "excluded" is just an obfuscatory way of saying that they can't afford to send their children to the best private schools, and pretending that this is equivalent to a racially discriminatory law against immigrant children attending school. It's not the same thing.

Where do you see this in the article?

[Basil Fawlty]

I'm not for mass immigration. I'm for letting the children of immigrants go to school, when you had their parents come in as laborers in the first place.

Thats what you're arguing against. Stop the muds, no?No. The point was the lack of consultation.
I would argue against mass immigration regardless of origin. As it happens the main influx here (where I am) is white.

Now stop trying to pin views on people that they don't hold.

[Ahknaton]

I don't see that distinction made in this article. Perhaps you're familiar with a different article you'd like to share.

If thats the case, that they are simply unable to afford private school, then I could care less.

Thats quite different than barring tax payers and invited laborers from having their children attend school.
The article says that children are selected for either grammar school or vocational training at age 10, and this means that students from a poor background are not likely to reach their potential. It doesn't say that they are not allowed to go to school.

Please point out to me exactly where the article states that children of immigrants are not allowed to go to school.

It says they are denied a "good education", not an "education". i.e. they don't make it into the best schools because of their social background. The article doesn't explicitly mention private schools, but I inferred that from this line "the government would work to decouple the link between academic success and social background."

[Sulla the Dictator]

The article says that children are selected for either grammar school or vocational training at age 10, and this means that students from a poor background are not likely to reach their potential. It doesn't say that they are not allowed to go to school.


It does say that this is a public system of education, and that children of immigrants and poor backgrounds are being denied access to a portion of it. I don't see anything about 'private schools'.


Please point out to me exactly where the article states that children of immigrants are not allowed to go to school.


That part I misread. So I guess we're both wrong. :p


It says they are denied a "good education", not an "education". i.e. they don't make it into the best schools because of their social background. The article doesn't explicitly mention private schools, but I inferred that from this line "the government would work to decouple the link between academic success and social background."

I don't read it that way, since its referring to Germany's educational system, meaning the state itself. I inferred that it was an unthinking assumption on the behalf of those who decide such things that the children of immigrant laborers should learn trades, to be the laborers of tomorrow.

Which doesn't strike me as fair. Vocational training at the age of 10 doesn't really strike me as fair either, but thats a different issue.

[Sulla the Dictator]

No. The point was the lack of consultation.


Your governments are elected. If the grievances of your population are of sufficient weight then the people who represent them shouldn't have a problem getting elected. There are plenty of anti-immigration parties in Europe, which have gotten plenty of traction as a result of the riots in France and these cartoon riots.

I'll bet you now, though, that Europe's sentiment about immigration dies down as soon as the populations of Europe drop. Whats Germany need at this point? 200,000 immigrants a year to keep its population from declining? :p

[Basil Fawlty]

Your governments are elected. If the grievances of your population are of sufficient weight then the people who represent them shouldn't have a problem getting elected. This is such a recent phenomenon here that there exists no political party with such a platform. The law here about party formation also makes it extremely difficult.

I'll bet you now, though, that Europe's sentiment about immigration dies down as soon as the populations of Europe drop. Whats Germany need at this point? 200,000 immigrants a year to keep its population from declining? :pWhich is one reason why many people argue against abortion and family planning. Immigration is not the solution to anything except the cheap labour requirements of capitalism.

[Dan Dare]

No. ... Now stop trying to pin views on people that they don't hold.

If board members weren't aware before, they should certainly be aware now that Sulla's concept of evidence is, to say the least, somewhat non-traditional.

[Basil Fawlty]

If board members weren't aware before, they should certainly be aware now that Sulla's concept of evidence is, to say the least, somewhat non-traditional.Well we are talking about one of the clergy of Holy Holocaustianity, albeit a minor sub-deacon.