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NeoCornelio
09-28-2008, 08:44 AM
I've translated this short article mainly as a curiosity. It highlights the relation between Spain and Ossetia. It has been published in this month's issue of Revista Identidad (http://www.revistaidentidad.com), a spanish identitarian monthly paper. Sorry about all the grammatical mistakes.

Image from Wikipedia: Alan and Vandal migrations 4th–5th centuries. Red: migrations; Orange: military expeditions; Yellow: settlement areas

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Alani_map.jpg


THE OSSETIANS ARE 'OUR' ALANS

"Because of several reasons we can be sure that the alans are the ancestors of nowadays ossetians who people the Caucasus", said the german philologist Max Vasmer at the beguinning of the XX century.
Althoug this is practically ignored, there are tenuous ties of blood between spaniards and ossetians. Coming to Spain along with the suebi and the vandals, the alans were were not a germanic nation (as the suebi and the vandals were); they came from the Caucasus. A portion of the alan people was drawn towards the Roman Empire with the germanic tribes; they crossed the Gauls, and along with the suebi and the vandals invaded Hispania in 409 A.D., then fused together (as subordinates) with the vandals that crossed the Strait [of Gibraltar] and founded the Vandal Empire of North Africa, whose sovereign held the title of "Rex Vandalorum et Alanorum".
The portion of the Alan nation that satayed in their orinal homeland in the Caucasus are the present-day ossetians. It's enough to point out that the second oficial name of Ossetia is Alania.
The alans were one of the ethinicities of the Massagetae, indoeuropean people related to the persians and the medes. Because of this it is more than probable that the ossetian alan ethnos was influenced by ancient persian warriors. The Great Kings settled some of their own people in the Dariel Valley (?), an osetian settlement. It's odd (taking into account the current circumstances) that their present-day name, ossetians, was given to them by their Georgian neighbours. They called themselves Iron (singular: Ir), and their country Ironistan, which means "Aryans" and "the homeland of Aryans". However, in the medieval chronicles they are called alans or asios in castilian.
The ossetians have zealously kept their ancient traditions, particularly evident in the social stratification that still retains the typical structure of the Caucaisan antiquity. The same can be said about their religion, which is a synchretic combination of christianism and indoeuropean traditions of iranian and scythian origin.
In the european Middle Ages they dominated the Caucasus beyond their current frontiers, but they were progressively pushed by the Khazars, the caucasian kabards and the mongols, in the period between the VII and the XVIII centuries. The present-day ossetians regard themselves as a nation of knightly nature. Proud guardians of their identity, at the end of the XIX century the Ossetian intellectuals compiled poems, accounts, myths and history of their fatherland, passed on by oral tradition, to arrange and publish them in a literary corpus that is today the main source of information about this brave nation.

Ambrosio Spinola
09-28-2008, 09:20 AM
Today´s Ossetians probably have little in common with the people who lived in that area milenia ago. I find this type of geographical kinship funny.

NeoCornelio
09-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Today´s Ossetians probably have little in common with the people who lived in that area milenia ago. I find this type of geographical kinship funny.

You mean racially? Probably there are some cultural similarities, if only because of the geographical thing. Anyway, I agree with you. Unless further data is provided this kind of kinships are totally far-fetched. The article says:

The ossetians have zealously kept their ancient traditions, particularly evident in the social stratification that still retains the typical structure of the Caucaisan antiquity. The same can be said about their religion, which is a synchretic combination of christianism and indoeuropean traditions of iranian and scythian origin.

But no evidence for this is provided, and I cannot fin anything about it in the internet. Maybe some of our resident anthropologists could weigh in.

By the way, what's your take on Revista Identidad, Constantine?

RuneX2
09-28-2008, 10:50 AM
Today´s Ossetians probably have little in common with the people who lived in that area milenia ago. I find this type of geographical kinship funny.I’m sure that if you made genetic comparisons between today’s Ossetians in the Caucasus and the people in southern Spain where they settled for a long period, you’d find many traces. A similar experiment was once done trying to trace the origins of the Cimbri tribes (which the Roman Marius defeated), and by genetic comparisons between people of northern Jutland (in Denmark) and some areas of northern Italy, they were able to find definite connections. And that’s a much more marginal link and 1,000 years further back. I don’t see why the Ossetians – a victorious people – should not have been able to leave their genetic mark on the people in southern Spain.

I don’t know about culture but the Ossetians retain their own ancient Persian language.

Ambrosio Spinola
09-28-2008, 11:12 AM
When a certain geographical area has been overrun, resettled, overrun, resettled, overrun and resettled throughout the milenia many times as has been south spain and certainly the caucasus, then one can asume that the conection, if there was one, has eroded away long time ago. I´m not saying that no Ossetian remains who has no genetic traces back to the Alans that wandered off in search of a new home, nor do I say no southern spaniard remains who can not have some traces of a long gone alan settler. But for that matter such conections could be much more modern or even older than the Alan migration. I just find this "direct linking" rather wellwishing. Much like for those who seek an Alan past in south Spain or those who seek a moorish one. Here, where I live in Ibiza, cosmopolitan wellwishers love to claim to be descendants of original Phoenician or Carthaginian colonists who founded a city here 653 BC and take such "roots" as a way to be more politically correct. Of course they do not care to look a bit further down history and see what went on on this island from 653 BC to 2008. Just in 1254 AC the Christian Catalonians toke the island from their Islamic overlords who had taken the rock two hunderd years earlier. The new Christian conquerors simply kicked everybody out and resettled the island with their own frankish and catalonian colonists. This way of securing the "front line" was all to common during the Reconquista as no noble worth his salt liked to have an unruly heathen population to exploit. See where I am getting? The Turks per example were masters in stalinist population style moving too. Few if any Capadocian landhand could nowadays claim to be an ancient Hittite. And so it goes with few exceptions. perhaps in 2000 years some white american (if there are any left) will then say that he is a direct descendant of an Huron injun based upon the land he lives...

Bronze Age Pervert
09-28-2008, 04:27 PM
Just for the record, I myself pointed out this connection a while ago in the Georgia-Russia thread, but no one listened to me at the time:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=592919&postcount=186