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Petr
02-23-2006, 08:00 PM
Like Fade has said, European liberalism is going to die one way or another - either through our national-religious revival (Russia has already experienced something like that), or in the hands of Muslim invaders.


http://www.forward.com/articles/7394


Turkish Film Pulled by German Theaters

By MICHAEL LEVITIN
February 24, 2006


BERLIN — In Europe's latest entanglement over free speech, German officials and Jewish leaders are calling for a ban on a Turkish action film that demonizes Americans and Jews. On Wednesday, Cinemaxx, Germany's largest theater chain, was the first movie house to respond, announcing that it would strike the film from its program immediately.

Following a smash success in Turkey earlier this month, "Kurtlar Vadisi Irak" ("Valley of the Wolves — Iraq") has sold more than 200,000 tickets and climbed to fifth place in the German box office since it hit theaters here last week. With its bitterly anti-American and anti-Jewish depiction of the Iraq War, some say that the film is stoking hatred and sending the wrong — and an unacceptable — message to Germany's large Turkish population.

"I urge the cinema owners in Germany to pull this racist and anti-Western hate film immediately," said Edmund Stoiber, Bavaria's conservative premier and one of Germany's most recognized politicians, in an interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag last weekend.

Stoiber's statement followed the initial one made late last week by Charlotte Knobloch, vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, who said that the movie "supports hatred of Jewish people and attacks Western civilization." Alluding to the country's Nazi past, she said, "Germany can't be a place for [this kind of] propaganda."

The film comes at a time when the integration of Turks into German society is lagging due to high levels of crime, unemployment and failures in education — and critics say that the movie offers little to improve the dialogue. In fact, they argue, by presenting a young movie-going audience with anti-American and antisemitic clichés, the film is likely to widen the cultural divide between Islam and the West, in the lead-up to Germany's discussions about Turkey entering the European Union.

"These kinds of hate messages aren't what we need in a society filled with immigrants and mixed ethnic and religious groups," said Michael Kohlstruck, doctor of political science at Berlin's Technical University. Kohlstruck is a specialist in right-wing extremism and youth violence. "All it takes is a few people mobilized by the film to become a danger by carrying out attacks."

Still, Kohlstruck added: "It's not right for a liberal society to forbid these films. It's better to leave them open and to discuss them."

In order to ban the film, German law says that authorities would have to determine that it violates Criminal Code 130, which outlaws hate speech, or Code 131, calling against the "exhibition or glorification of intensely violent acts." Given that the film has been running here for nearly two weeks — and isn't any more violent than an average action film — it seems unlikely that the government would move to block the movie.

But some German politicians and Jewish leaders would like movie theaters to stop running it.

"Whether it's cartoons against Muslims or antisemitic propositions in a movie," said Michael May, executive director of Berlin's Jewish community, "I'm generally a proponent of free speech. But not at the cost of riots and clashes. I'd like this to be a self-imposed censorship based on a commercial decision."

The film starts off by retelling an actual event that happened in Sulaymaniyah, northern Iraq, in July 2003; American forces arrested and held in captivity 11 Turkish soldiers, who were later released. The film then quickly turns to its fictional action hero, Turkish intelligence officer Polat Alemdar. He sets out to avenge his humiliated countrymen. In the process, American troops massacre civilians at a wedding party, firebomb a mosque during evening prayer and carry out summary executions — not to mention the abuses depicted at the Abu Ghraib prison. But perhaps the film's most evil villain is the American Jewish military doctor (played by Gary Busey), who extracts Iraqi prisoners' organs to sell to rich buyers in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

Made on a $10 million budget, the film, which is a spin-off of a popular Turkish TV series, is Turkey's most expensive movie to date. Seen by some as a cinematic backlash to "Midnight Express" — the 1978 American film depicting the ruthless way of life in a Turkish prison — a number of Turks are nonetheless questioning its artistic value.

"I prefer a Turkish Michael Moore to a Turkish Rambo in Iraq," Baris Sanli wrote in the Ankara-based Turkish Weekly. Middle East expert Cengiz Candar told the BBC in Turkey, "This film poisons the climate in a way that it enhances jingoistic nationalism among Turks."

That does not appear to be the view held by Turkish Parliament speaker Bulent Arinc, president of the Turkish National Assembly, who attended the movie's gala opener with the wife of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "It is an extraordinary film that will go down in history," Arinc raved to the Anatolia press agency.

Slavic Enforcer
02-23-2006, 08:15 PM
Wise decision.

Petr
02-23-2006, 08:28 PM
Wise decision.
Why? This movie would lead to some splendid squabbles, and upset the the process of multiculturalization. The worse is better.


Petr

President Camacho
02-23-2006, 09:51 PM
But perhaps the film's most evil villain is the American Jewish military doctor (played by Gary Busey)
LOL, Gary Busey would make a terrible jew. And is he really that desperate these days-- starring in low budget Turkish docufilms?

Dan Dare
02-23-2006, 09:59 PM
I must say it's rather a novelty to see German politicians springing to the defence of the US forces in Iraq.

Anima Eternae
02-23-2006, 10:20 PM
The worse is better.


I've never understood this WN train of logic. Yeah, worse is better because then the unwashed masses will realized teh true dormant aryan spirit and cleanse teh land!

Worse is always better until it's your daughter getting plowed by Jamarcus Washington.

Petr
02-23-2006, 10:38 PM
I've never understood this WN train of logic.
Well- let me explain it to you. As an Oriental, I thought you should be able to appreciate it.

As I have studied military history, I have noticed that unlike soft-hearted Western commanders, Eastern war-leaders (who had huge armies in their command) didn't usually send their best troops into the combat immediately, but instead pushed their ill-equipped, badly-trained "cannon fodder" to the front first. Sure, they would get massacred, but they would still erode the opponent's forces. The "crack troops" (like Ottoman Janissaries, or Stalin's Siberian divisions) were sent into the battle only last to turn the tide of the battle.

Cold, un-humanistic logic - the "cannon fodder" is seen as expendable.

In a somewhat similar manner, many WNs strategists coldly calculate that they can afford to sacrifice some non-racist White "lemmings" to be mistreated or slaughtered by non-Whites if that is the price it takes to awaken the rest of their people.


Petr

Anima Eternae
02-23-2006, 10:41 PM
Yeah, but if you send in your worst troops, the enemy slaughters them and gets free xp. They might even gain a level. :(

Jimbo Gomez
02-23-2006, 10:42 PM
Wogs don't pick out the lemmings and leave the racially aware alone. They target any white person they can get their hands on. Like the mamzer said: that logic fades away when Jamal is sweating on your daughter.

Jimbo Gomez
02-23-2006, 10:42 PM
Yeah, but if you send in your worst troops, the enemy slaughters them and gets free xp. They might even gain a level. :(


Hahaha, stop plating age of empires and pay attention. :D

Anima Eternae
02-23-2006, 10:42 PM
In a somewhat similar manner, many WNs strategists coldly calculate that they can afford to sacrifice some non-racist White "lemmings" to be mistreated or slaughtered by non-Whites if that is the price it takes to awaken the rest of their people.

Care to go into detail about this comment? What exactly is going to cause a mass racial awakening? Please don't give me some Chain-esque hyperbole about a "white consciousness gene". ;)

Niko Bellic
02-23-2006, 10:48 PM
LOL, Gary Busey would make a terrible jew. And is he really that desperate these days-- starring in low budget Turkish docufilms?

There's a DVD sitting on the shelf at my local Blockbuster, that I haven't rented yet, called Gingerbread Man. It's about a gingerbread cookie, posessed by an evil spirit, that goes on a killing spree with a tiny knife. Gary Busey is the voice of the evil cookie. So yes, he is that desperate.

Petr
02-23-2006, 10:50 PM
Care to go into detail about this comment? What exactly is going to cause a mass racial awakening?
Really simple stuff. Let's say that Blacks would now start a Rwandaesque genocide of Whites in South Africa. (As some militants have said they would after Mandela's death.) On a scale that would be utterly impossible for the mass media to cover up.

This would be an utter PR disaster for multiculturalism. Droves of Whites would join nationalist organizations all over the world, pundits would get some backbone and would start openly calling an end for colored immigration, and the mass psychology of all the TV-watching unwashed masses around the world would change permanently as they could imagine themselves in a similar position.

The recent riots in France and the cartoon-mess in Denmark have already been great PR for White nationalism. Think about the same in a much grander scale.

Really, with a right sort of exploitation, it would be same kind of permanent PR victory for WNs as "Holocaust" was to Jews.


Petr

Jimbo Gomez
02-23-2006, 10:53 PM
Your armchairgeneral tactics about the sacrifice of the Afrikaners sickens me.

Niko Bellic
02-23-2006, 10:58 PM
The recent riots in France and the cartoon-mess in Denmark have already been great PR for White nationalism.

Yes, but then these people who finally find the balls to admit their racism arrive at WN websites and forums only to find all the discussion is about jewsjewsjewsjewsjews, including how muslims are right to be pissed off at jews, and even a few nutjobs who think they should join with the muslims to fight the jews. White Nationalists are too stupid to capitalize on the gift that the vast mass of muslims are giving them.:rolleyes:

Jimbo Gomez
02-23-2006, 11:01 PM
Yes, but then these people who finally find the balls to admit their racism arrive at WN websites and forums only to find all the discussion is about jewsjewsjewsjewsjews, including how muslims are right to be pissed off at jews, and even a few nutjobs who think they should join with the muslims to fight the jews. White Nationalists are too stupid to capitalize on the gift that the vast mass of muslims are giving them.:rolleyes:


Don't you see how that is a jewish plot? Those evil jews want us to bitch about jews on the internet about how they don't let us bitch about them. It all makes perfect sense.

Kodos
02-23-2006, 11:03 PM
Yes, but then these people who finally find the balls to admit their racism arrive at WN websites and forums only to find all the discussion is about jewsjewsjewsjewsjews, including how muslims are right to be pissed off at jews, and even a few nutjobs who think they should join with the muslims to fight the jews. White Nationalists are too stupid to capitalize on the gift that the vast mass of muslims are giving them.:rolleyes:

Yes........

Petr
02-23-2006, 11:11 PM
Your armchairgeneral tactics about the sacrifice of the Afrikaners sickens me.
Listen Stan, I'm not necessarily expressing these ideas as my own, or the idea that I would welcome their death. But should that happen, we here should be ready to make the most of it.

I am trying to look at danger threatening all our peoples with cold realism. You seem to detest this approach, just like in this thread was described the typical liberal response to Machiavellian theories:


"Macchiavelli had however an incorruptible intellect and did not write in a cynical spirit. He sought to portray the anatomy of politics with its peculiar problems and tensions, inner and outer. To the fantastic mental illness of Rationalism, hard facts are regrettable things, and to talk about them is to create them. A tiny politician of the Liberal type even sought to prevent talk about the Third World War, after the Second. "

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1892&highlight=yockey


I also did not mention that well-organized- and armed Afrikaners might well be able to take out great numbers of haplessly incompetent Negroes and hold onto some fortresses. Isolated Whites would quite inevitably get killed, just like isolated settlers in the American West were when the Indian wars started.

I disagree with Bill White on a huge number of issues, but I happen to share his anti-defeatist attitude that like in here:

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=7608


France Exterminates Ivory Coast's Blacks After Assault

White Airpower Destroys Black Air Force, Massacres Racist Black Rioters

... "Blacks, whether in Africa or the United States, tend to be a bunch of miserable whiners who commit crimes at random then get angry when anyone holds them accountable. Blacks try to be tough, and in the West are portrayed as "thugs" by Jews who own the music and culture industries and produce rap videos, but in the real world, whites dominate and rule over blacks, slaughtering them by the hundreds when they get too uppity.

When blacks attack helpless whites -- old people, women and children -- and win, they run around talking about how "gangsta" they are. Then, when whites inevitably come in and slaughter them like the incompetent half-ape people they are, they complain they are being "racistly" "oppressed"."


Petr

Jimbo Gomez
02-23-2006, 11:17 PM
Well, I knew your point when I replied, but as you may know, the fate of the Afrikaners is kinda touchy for a Flemish nationalist such as myself.

Petr
02-23-2006, 11:20 PM
Well, I knew your point when I replied, but as you may know, the fate of the Afrikaners is kinda touchy for a Flemish nationalist such as myself.
I know and appreciate that, but in a war, hard choices become inevitable and sentimentalism doesn't tend to save human lives. :(

(We Finns faced some dreadful choices with Stalin in the 1930s and 1940s... we had to "keep cool.")


Petr

Niko Bellic
02-23-2006, 11:46 PM
Don't you see how that is a jewish plot? Those evil jews want us to bitch about jews on the internet about how they don't let us bitch about them. It all makes perfect sense.

Yes, perfect sense. Just like the jews want massive immigration of muslim muds into Europe, to destroy the hated white race through miscegenation, which will result in Europe eventually becoming a Muslim superpower with nuclear weapons, because that is obviously a good thing for world jewry.

Starr
02-24-2006, 04:39 AM
Germany can't be a place for [this kind of] propaganda."

If it is not propaganda in favor of the Jews, there is no place for it.


The film comes at a time when the integration of Turks into German society is lagging due to high levels of crime, unemployment and failures in education — and critics say that the movie offers little to improve the dialogue. In fact, they argue, by presenting a young movie-going audience with anti-American and antisemitic clichés, the film is likely to widen the cultural divide between Islam and the West, in the lead-up to Germany's discussions about Turkey entering the European Union.

Maybe integration is failing because there is no desire to integrate. Movies like this would not be there and there would not be such a fear of certain reactions if there wasn't already a divide between Islam and the west that can't get much wider. If there wasn't certain things in this movie that the Jews didn't want you to see it would be shown all over with the hope of these certain reactions and counter reactions that would further inflame this division.
"These kinds of hate messages aren't what we need in a society filled with immigrants and mixed ethnic and religious groups," said Michael Kohlstruck,

Yes without stuff like this we would all just get along. Damn they must think we are stupid. "Hate" can never be blamed on the failure called multi culturalism, after all. By attempting to force tensions to stay under the surface, they are creating a situation where these tensions will blow up in an extremely significant way. This is already starting to happen.

Ambrosio Spinola
02-24-2006, 05:38 AM
I have to agree with Petr here. We need something big that might get the ball rolling. Expecting our current system to turn "pro-white" is ludicrous. Actually, half arsed measures taken by these system parties to content the masses are equally dangerous. Oh yes, we have put this new law in whereby we will control our entry points for inmigrants more are only fingers in the dam, but enough fingers to make us suffer more on the long run.

Starr
02-24-2006, 05:47 AM
Actually, half arsed measures taken by these system parties to content the masses are equally dangerous

It is almost worse then when they do nothing, since it passifies people.