Denmark to extradite 2 men over neo-Nazi music

[delete]

Danish Cowards!!!!

Denmark to extradite 2 men over neo-Nazi music

COPENHAGEN, Denmark: Danish authorities say two men arrested for producing and distributing neo-Nazi music in Germany will be extradited to Germany.

The Justice Ministry has decided that the men — a Dane and a German — can be extradited under Danish law. The ministry Tuesday said the men have the right to test the case before a Danish court before being extradited.

The pair were arrested Aug. 27 north of Copenhagen on a German extradition request.

German investigators say the pair produced as many as 100,000 copies of neo-Nazi music under the label Celtic Moon.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/07/europe/EU-Denmark-Nazi-Music-Arrest.php

[Jimbo Gomez]

What happened to the 'staunch Danish tradition of free speach' all of a sudden?

[RuneX2]

What happened to the 'staunch Danish tradition of free speach' all of a sudden?Yeah. It sucks. Being Nazi and selling nazi material &etc, isn't illegal in Denmark like in Germany, so I actually don't know how this should be possible. I think it has to do with the new extradition rules.

[delete]

Yeah. It sucks. Being Nazi and selling nazi material &etc, isn't illegal in Denmark like in Germany, so I actually don't know how this should be possible. I think it has to do with the new extradition rules.

Are they going to be judged by a jury, or just a career judge in the court appeal they are intitled to?

I have been looking for opinions in danish newspapers, but so far it seem that your philosemitic friends have managed to keep most of it out of the papers.

[Starr]

I am going to take a wild guess here and say that many of those people who were jumping up and down about protecting freedoms in regards to the Mohammed cartoons are not going to have a whole lot to say about this.

[Choppy deroute]

Yeah. It sucks. Being Nazi and selling nazi material &etc, isn't illegal in Denmark like in Germany, so I actually don't know how this should be possible. I think it has to do with the new extradition rules.

I'm guessing they sold the material in Germany, not in Denmark, hence Germany wants them. Otherwise they would many more Danish national-socialists.

Even so, this is highly distasteful. And one wonders what the legal reasoning is behind extraditing your own citizens on behalf of a law in a foreign country that you don't recognize, which we don't. Is that even a problem in international law?

[Kriger]

I'm guessing they sold the material in Germany, not in Denmark, hence Germany wants them. Otherwise they would many more Danish national-socialists.

Even so, this is highly distasteful. And one wonders what the legal reasoning is behind extraditing your own citizens on behalf of a law in a foreign country that you don't recognize, which we don't. Is that even a problem in international law?

Denmark doesn't recognize Germany as a country? If you don't mind my asking, why is it so?

[delete]

Denmark doesn't recognize Germany as a country? If you don't mind my asking, why is it so?
Denmark don't recognize hate music as a crime.

[Choppy deroute]

Denmark doesn't recognize Germany as a country? If you don't mind my asking, why is it so?

Yes, as Delete makes it clear, I meant this specific German anti-nazi law is not recognized in Denmark, that is, we don't have such a law.

I suppose i can understand that if a person breaks the law in a foreign country, that country has every right try and convict them, but extradition is another matter; there should at least be some corresponding law in that persons home country. I mean we don't pack people of to Pakistan or Saudi-Arabia for adultery, since we do not recognize that adultery is a crime.

Apparently Libanon are trying Jyllands-Posten in absentia for blasphemy. I'm not sure if they reached a sentence yet, but I doubt we'll be extraditing any of the cartoonists if Libanon asked.

This seems like common sense. Surely there is some legal principle in international law that covers this?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Choppy: in principle, every country decides on its own for which crimes it extradites which people to which country. Only exception being crimes against humanity and the like, and nowadays that European extradition treaty crap. It is quite unique.

[Kriger]

Yes, as Delete makes it clear, I meant this specific German anti-nazi law is not recognized in Denmark, that is, we don't have such a law.

I suppose i can understand that if a person breaks the law in a foreign country, that country has every right try and convict them, but extradition is another matter; there should at least be some corresponding law in that persons home country. I mean we don't pack people of to Pakistan or Saudi-Arabia for adultery, since we do not recognize that adultery is a crime.

Apparently Libanon are trying Jyllands-Posten in absentia for blasphemy. I'm not sure if they reached a sentence yet, but I doubt we'll be extraditing any of the cartoonists if Libanon asked.

This seems like common sense. Surely there is some legal principle in international law that covers this?

Heh. I read that one wrong, yes? But then, I hardly recognize Germany as a country anymore. More like a far left extremes in power outpost.

I'm not sure that international law is going to remain relatively unchanged....it is already changing to a vast extent. It's due to all that Globilization thing....One World Government agenda.....the heralded New World Order. Wide open borders, masses of immigrants and refugees being dispersed around the globe, nation governments being forced to step in time with the agenda of the world's financiers.....we are living in the transistion times.

For example, one of the results of the financial "crisis" in the USA is international banking and financial institutions cooperating with each other...making agreements with each other....pacts if you will...contracts....all in the name of "diverting an international financial meltdown".

In short, they are now cooperating with each other to maintain financial control of the world. And dictate international laws. Where treaties, agreements, pacts, etc used to be made between nations and nation-states, these will become increasingly more an international banking thing, and everyone is going to have to play by their rules. "Those who rule the financial means, rule the world." Slogan for the 21st Century. Or should I say Slogan for the Century beginning with the "year" 5760?

[delete]

Heh. I read that one wrong, yes? But then, I hardly recognize Germany as a country anymore. More like a far left extremes in power outpost.

Germany is a benign police state, where most of the population dont even know it, since it was only discretly applied against revolutionary communists and nationalists to marginalize them.


I'm not sure that international law is going to remain relatively unchanged....it is already changing to a vast extent. It's due to all that Globilization thing....One World Government agenda.....the heralded New World Order. Wide open borders, masses of immigrants and refugees being dispersed around the globe, nation governments being forced to step in time with the agenda of the world's financiers.....we are living in the transistion times.

What I think is funny, is that nobody seems to talk about how the crumbeling economy will influence world hunger.

Iceland went bust, but has rich scandinavia that will support eachother if things get really caotic. The countries with a food surplus will be fine, and the same will be the case for the energy rich countries, but what happens if a country like Pakistan goes broke?

Pakistan: Bankruptcy Averted
October 15, 2008 7:30 PM
by Anne Szustek
Financial backing from the Asian Development Bank, the World Bank and other countries is keeping Pakistan in the black. But when a government does go bankrupt, what happens?

In Pakistan, Black is the New Red
The adviser to Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on finance, Shaukat Tareen, has told media that the country has managed to secure funding from other countries and international organizations to cover the $10 billion needed to prevent Pakistan from defaulting.

Tareen told U.K. paper The Daily Telegraph, "An improvement should be visible in our balance of payments from the end of October onwards," expecting that the country is to get at least $3 billion in foreign funding over the next two to three months. "Already the outflow in our foreign reserves is reduced and after November we can build our reserves." In addition, the Department for International Development in London has offered £600 million ($1.03 billion).


For example, one of the results of the financial "crisis" in the USA is international banking and financial institutions cooperating with each other...making agreements with each other....pacts if you will...contracts....all in the name of "diverting an international financial meltdown".

In short, they are now cooperating with each other to maintain financial control of the world. And dictate international laws. Where treaties, agreements, pacts, etc used to be made between nations and nation-states, these will become increasingly more an international banking thing, and everyone is going to have to play by their rules. "Those who rule the financial means, rule the world." Slogan for the 21st Century. Or should I say Slogan for the Century beginning with the "year" 5760?

I really think they skrewed up. The "no future risk involved" guys outcompeted the high risk evaluation guys for short term profit, leading to people choosing "the no risk for future systematic defaults" investment stratgies.

An insured building in 100% collateral, and the same used to be sure of finacial insured loans. What really fucked up was when the "insurance" companies went broke, or were in risk of going default, since the banks then needed to sell in order to get new collateral.

If financial trouble really breaks loose, I think the government will have enough problems just dirstributing food and energy for them to care about thought criminaility and killing local initiative.

Since it's no use in crying over spilt milk, once might as well see the crisis as a huge tree falling down, giving light for new trees to grow.

[Kriger]

Germany is a benign police state, where most of the population dont even know it, since it was only discretly applied against revolutionary communists and nationalists to marginalize them.

What I think is funny, is that nobody seems to talk about how the crumbeling economy will influence world hunger.

Iceland went bust, but has rich scandinavia that will support eachother if things get really caotic. The countries with a food surplus will be fine, and the same will be the case for the energy rich countries, but what happens if a country like Pakistan goes broke?

I agree with what you are saying here, delete, but don't forget that capitalism is a major factor in the equation. And the capitalists at the top of the pyramid are the best (and most corrupt) ones at capitalizing (profitting) from others misfortunes/mistakes/ignorance. That's how they got to the top.

Throughout history the ones at the top have managed to not only come out at the top following war, financial disaster, natural disaster, but have also profitted greatly from it. I really cannot see where it should be any different this time around. These ones will remain in power and further expand their Financial Empire.

I don't see this as a defeatist attitude. I see it as recognizing reality and taking steps to ensure the survival of one's people despite the adversity. After all, this is how our ancestors have survived to date.

I really think they skrewed up. The "no future risk involved" guys outcompeted the high risk evaluation guys for short term profit, leading to people choosing "the no risk for future systematic defaults" investment stratgies.

An insured building in 100% collateral, and the same used to be sure of finacial insured loans. What really fucked up was when the "insurance" companies went broke, or were in risk of going default, since the banks then needed to sell in order to get new collateral.

If financial trouble really breaks loose, I think the government will have enough problems just dirstributing food and energy for them to care about thought criminaility and killing local initiative.

Since it's no use in crying over spilt milk, once might as well see the crisis as a huge tree falling down, giving light for new trees to grow.

I think they (meaning the financiers) realized that one day it would come to this. Speculations began way back in the 70's on how long an inflated balloon could be inflated before it popped. I find it hard to believe that these ones did not have plans when this came to pass. The steps being taken are the plans that were made before it happened modified only by current existing factors. The situation certainly is not affecting the financially elite, in fact they are profitting from it. Reorganizing, restructuring, maintaining financial control all at the people's expense.

No sense crying over it, as you say. Better to take the necessary steps to keep oneself and family in the black and not the red. The ones hardest hit are going to be the ones most heavily in debt. The ones living far beyond their means through loans, credit cards, and second mortgages.

[RuneX2]

Well this is surprising

Sweden refuses to extradite Danish Nazi

Sweden will not comply with Germany's requirement to obtain a Dane, who has helped sell Nazi music to the Germans.

The Swedish Constitution protects free speech.

Consequently, Sweden cannot extradite a Dane who, according to the Germans sent music with hateful and discriminatory texts to the neo-Nazis in Germany.

A representative of the Swedish Ministry of Justice has ruled this according to the newspaper Sydsvenskan.

Not illegal in Sweden

In the German case, the prosecution in Frankfurt investigates the sale of CDs with xenophobic content, and after three years of investigations asked the authorities of Denmark, Finland and Sweden to arrest and extradite suspects.

But according to the Swedish Ministry of Justice, there is no basis to comply with the German demands.

According to Swedish law is the thing, the man accused of not illegal on the other side of the sound [Sweden].

There are no regulations concerning prohibited symbols and no penalty for denying the holocaust.Sweden refuses to extradite Danish Nazi (http://politiken.dk/indland/article598320.ece)

- Sweden has balls. Bah to Denmark.

[Mackie]

Well this is surprising

Sweden refuses to extradite Danish Nazi (http://politiken.dk/indland/article598320.ece)

- Sweden has balls. Bah to Denmark.
Pretty nice to hear our neighbours get something right once in a while :>

[Kriger]

Just what is Neo-Nazi music? I wasn't aware that there was such a thing.

[Empress Cheesatine]

Just what is Neo-Nazi music? I wasn't aware that there was such a thing.

It has "xenophobic" content. I assume this excludes Jewish music with Zionist themes.

[Kodos]

I am going to take a wild guess here and say that many of those people who were jumping up and down about protecting freedoms in regards to the Mohammed cartoons are not going to have a whole lot to say about this.

The cartoons was a coordinated government religious subversion attempt by savages protesting cartoons which were made and distributed in a foreign country, these guys are wanted in Germany probably because they sold the stuff in Germany.

[delete]

Looks like the danes chickened out.

Danish quisling government hands over alleged Nazi-music distributors to Germany’s fascist judiciary. Brigitte Zypries, Germany’s Jewish ‘Justice Minister’ wanted to export the Jewish laws to all of Europe. Seems succesful at last.
Facts about the case

The two men deny having had anything to do with the production and distribution of the material, which is seen by Germany as offending to Jews. One of them admits to having stored the CDs for a friend.

After having spent 4 month in custody in Denmark, they were released on December 24, pending the demand to have the case tried in the High Court, on condition that they report to a local police station every day.

The alleged offence was perpetrated more than five years ago.

The ‘offence’ most likely is not a crime in Denmark, and if it were deemed a crime it would probably carry a suspended sentence of two month in jail at the most. In the STASI Federal Republic of Germany they face up to 5 years imprisonment.

Sweden has refused to extradite a German citizen living there, who is charged in Germany in the same case and considered to be the main man. The Swedish government referred to freedom of speech in Sweden as the reason for not complying with the extradition order.

Britain refused to extradite the Australian citizen Fredrick Töben, a revisionist of German descent in a similar case.

France refused to extradite a convicted Italian terrorist, member of the Red Brigade; Marina Petrella to Italy. The wife of France’s Jewish president Sarkozy, even visited the terrorist in hospital and promised support. (After all, she only was accesory to the murder of non Jewish Italian citizens; not quite as bad as allegedly having produced ‘Nazi-music’ of course.)

Germany refused to extradite the alleged Nazi war criminal, Danish born Waffen SS officer Soeren Kam to Denmark.

After signing EUs new ‘anti-terrorist’ laws, the Danish Justice Minister Lene Espersen, (now finance Minister) declared that signing this law would not have consequences for free speech in Denmark,
and that nobody would be extradited in cases such as this one.


The Copenhagen newspaper Politiken on February 20 2009:

A Dane and a German citizen who lives in Denmark will be handed over to the German authorities within 10 days.

The men who are accused of having published Nazi music, distribution of Nazi symbols, and being members of a criminal organization.

Therefore Germany has demanded their extradition.

Lawyer disappointed

Until today it has been unclear if the two men were to be extradited to Germany or not. But the extradition is now certain to proceed, because today it was decided that the case is not to come before the High Court in Denmark.

This was announced by the Danish citizen’s lawyer Mikael Schjoedt [Skjødt].

‘The extradition means that the case is to go to court in Germany’, he says.

The solicitor is deeply disappointed that the case is not to be tried in the High Court:

‘This case deserves to be tried in the High Court, because we have to consider if we wish to extradite in cases such as this one’.

Case will result in more extraditions

‘I think this case opens up for the possibility to extradite more people to other EU states’, says Mikael Skjoedt.

‘Germany for historical reasons hands out very harsh punishments, while in Denmark it is perceived as a trivial matter’, Mikael Skjoedt explains.

Extradition to proceed on Tuesday (February 24 2009)

The two men have not yet been arrested, reports the North Zealand police, who refuses to give further comments about the case.

But according to Mikael Skjoedt German police will fetch the two men on Tuesday.

In Germany the men will be held in custody until their case goes to court in Germany.

If they are convicted, they are to serve their term not in Germany, but in Denmark. This was a condition for the extradition.

http://blog.balder.org/?p=617

[Dynamic]

Just wondering, how much tax payers money does it cost, roughly, to extradite someone from another Eauropean country? If there truly is a bad recession as they point out then.. how does this benefit anyone? Notice how often these incidents result in being extradited to... always... Germany!

[delete]

Just wondering, how much tax payers money does it cost, roughly, to extradite someone from another Eauropean country? If there truly is a bad recession as they point out then.. how does this benefit anyone? Notice how often these incidents result in being extradited to... always... Germany!

It obviously doesn't cost enough, since they manage to do it.

I think danes should punish the traitorous judges behind this extralegally, as I see no reason why people who extradite thoughtcriminals should feel safe, just because they were following orders.