Immigration questions (split from RIP Jorg Haider)

[Basil Fawlty]

Do they put something in the water in Canada that prevents you people from noticing how rightist ethno-nationalism is treated exactly the same as racial nationalism, and is indeed perceived by the powers that be as a subset of racialism? Was Haider considered any less of a racist within the dominant press and Social Democratic circles, merely because he was pro-Austrian, rather than pro-White? What about Le Pen? Is he treated as a good Frenchman, because he is pro-French, rather than pro-White? For that matter, does anyone doubt the late Haider, Strache, or Le Pen would prefer immigrants from Sweden to immigrants from Zambia? Since Austrians and Frenchmen are historically ethnicities made up of people who would otherwise be regarded as White, does that not logically follow?According to the usual crew, anyone in this country who speaks out against mass immigration, a largely white affair, is denounced as a racist. Poll after poll shows the great majority are against mass immigration.

[Wahrheitssuchende]

I think the Australians have a very good system: Namely the point system. Perhaps an Australian can speak about whether or not this system actually works; however, my impression is that it is extremely effective. You are given point values based upon specific skills and abilities you have and what you can contribute. That means: They allow only those people who have abilities they need into their country. That precludes (at least in theory) people from living off the state and supply outweighing demand on the labor market, while allowing them to get much-needed experience into their country.

What would you think about a system like that, Basil? I mean, I think it is fair and unbiased. (Assuming it works as planned).

[Basil Fawlty]

I think the Australians have a very good system: Namely the point system. Perhaps an Australian can speak about whether or not this system actually works; however, my impression is that it is extremely effective. You are given point values based upon specific skills and abilities you have and what you can contribute. That means: They allow only those people who have abilities they need into their country. That precludes (at least in theory) people from living off the state and supply outweighing demand on the labor market, while allowing them to get much-needed experience into their country.

What would you think about a system like that, Basil? I mean, I think it is fair and unbiased. (Assuming it works as planned).Ireland is an old nation with no need of any immigration. It is only the Globalists and other opportunists who are keen on it. The good news is that we are now entering a stiff recession so that will be the end of it. Already many are leaving.

For "new world" type countries, a sytsem such as you describe is better than a free for all.

[Wahrheitssuchende]

Ireland is an old nation with no need of any immigration. It is only the Globalists and other opportunists who are keen on it. The good news is that we are now entering a stiff recession so that will be the end of it. Already many are leaving.

For "new world" type countries, a sytsem such as you describe is better than a free for all.

Granted.

What do you think about all the people of Irish decent who are returning to Ireland? Do you consider them a benefit or a menace? Just out of curiosity. :)

[Basil Fawlty]

Granted.

What do you think about all the people of Irish decent who are returning to Ireland? Do you consider them a benefit or a menace? Just out of curiosity. :)I'm very happy for diasporans to return. I do not include them in the mass immigration phenomenon. If we need more people then they should be drawn from the diaspora, after all, what connection has a Pole or a Nigerian to Ireland?

[Wahrheitssuchende]

I'm very happy for diasporans to return. I do not include them in the mass immigration phenomenon. If we need more people then they should be drawn from the diaspora, after all, what connection has a Pole or a Nigerian to Ireland?

Okay, I think that's fair. :)

So there is no discrimination or disparity between Irish-Irish and Irish that return from the diaspora? Or is this your personal opinion?

(Please forgive the point-blank questions, but I'm just *too* curious! :D)

[Basil Fawlty]

Okay, I think that's fair. :)

So there is no discrimination or disparity between Irish-Irish and Irish that return from the diaspora? Or is this your personal opinion?

(Please forgive the point-blank questions, but I'm just *too* curious! :D)Some Irish-Americans can be a bit irritating, especially when they veer towards caricature, but the diaspora are generally very welcome. I know of an Irish American who came here in the 1980's and lives in an Irish speaking part of the country and refuses to speak English. The returnees can be zealous culture and language enthusiasts, which is needed these days. They also bring new ideas and ways of doing things which is very much needed.

[harjit]

I know of an Irish American who came here in the 1980's and lives in an Irish speaking part of the country and refuses to speak English. The returnees can be zealous culture and language enthusiasts, which is needed these days.
The Irish government should bulldoze areas in Northern Ireland and send these people in as settlers. :D

[Geist]

The Irish government should bulldoze areas in Northern Ireland and send these people in as settlers. :D

We had our chance after Bloody Sunday and the Battle of the Bogside.

[shanemac]

The Irish government should bulldoze areas in Northern Ireland and send these people in as settlers. :D

Agreed :thumbsup: . Let's start in East Antrim. :D

[Captain Sharkey]

Sydney, which receives the most of these people, has just declared bankruptcy due to high costs of infrastructure, a lack of housing, and council services being maxed out while the immigrants pay small amounts of tax and rates that do not offset their usage.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bursting-at-the-seams/2008/10/01/1222651172311.html

But,...how is this possible? Immigrants deliver an economic windfall wherever they herded to. Didn't you know? Surely Sydney should be overflowing with riches and treasure at this bountiful presence of immigrants.