View Full Version : Marco Polo, a Croat?
WillieBrennan
11-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Nice pics, thanks.
Just the other night I was watching a library CD of Rick Steves ( travel nerd from Seattle) on Eastern Europe. I never knew Marco Polo was a Croat from the island of Korcula.
Ace Rimmer
11-24-2008, 08:50 PM
Nice pics, thanks.
Just the other night I was watching a library CD of Rick Steves ( travel nerd from Seattle) on Eastern Europe. I never knew Marco Polo was a Croat from the island of Korcula.
He may have been born on island Korcula in present day Croatia, but he was hardly a Croat.
WillieBrennan
11-24-2008, 09:05 PM
He may have been born on island Korcula in present day Croatia, but he was hardly a Croat.
Well I always thought he was Venetian but according to this source he may have been a Croat.
Marco Polo = Marko Pilich, the Croat? (http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/polo.html)
The world may never know.:confused:
Ace Rimmer
11-24-2008, 09:09 PM
Well I always thought he was Venetian but according to this source he may have been a Croat.
Marco Polo = Marko Pilich, the Croat? (http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/polo.html)
The world may never know.:confused:
Our people like to exaggerate mainly because of marketing and tourism.
Rogerius Josephus Boscovich
11-24-2008, 09:12 PM
Well I always thought he was Venetian but according to this source he may have been a Croat.
Marco Polo = Marko Pilich, the Croat? (http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/polo.html)
The world may never know.:confused:
Its a possibility, but in all honesty its just Croatian wet dreams.
Longinus
11-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Well I always thought he was Venetian but according to this source he may have been a Croat.
Marco Polo = Marko Pilich, the Croat? (http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/polo.html)
The world may never know.:confused:
If his ancestors came from Šibenik (Shibenik) as your article sugested than he was a genetic Croat because of all costal citties of Dalmatia Šibenik was the only one originaly founded and inhabited by medieval Croats:
"Šibenik was mentioned for the first time under its present name in 1066 in a Charter of the Croatian King Petar Krešimir IV. For a period of time, it was a seat of the Croatian King. For that reason, Šibenik is also called "Krešimirov grad" (Krešimir's city). Šibenik is the oldest native Croatian town on the eastern shores of the Adriatic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ibenik
Longinus
11-24-2008, 09:38 PM
I really don't think Marco Polo was a Venetian in a sense that his family came from the city of Venice. Not many real Venetians ever lived in Dalmatia. Venetian republic just owned the province for a period of time. He was probably a medieval Slavic Croat, or a Latin-speaking Illyrian Dalmat (not to be confused with Shiptars) or something in between.
One thing is certain, he was not an Italian by any definition but an offspring of our local 'Balkan' population.
Allegheny
11-24-2008, 10:27 PM
He may have been born on island Korcula in present day Croatia, but he was hardly a Croat.
He wasn't even responsible for one teeny little crime against humanity...not a Croat, I agree.
Königin Luise von Preußen
11-24-2008, 11:13 PM
the english wiki page is quite amusing also..
In 1264, Nicolò and Maffio joined up with an embassy sent by the Ilkhan Hulagu to his brother Kublai Khan. In 1266, they reached the seat of the Kublai Khan at Dadu, present day Beijing, China.
In his book, Il Milione, Marco explains how Kublai Khan officially received the Polos and sent them back with a Mongol named Koeketei as an ambassador to the Pope. They brought with them a letter from the Khan requesting 100 educated people to come and teach Christianity and Western customs to his people and oil from the lamp of the Holy Sepulcher. The letter also contained the paiza, a golden tablet a foot long and three inches (76 mm) wide, authorizing the holder to require and obtain lodging, horses and food throughout the Kublai Khan's dominion. Koeketei left in the middle of the journey, leaving the Polos to travel alone to Ayas in the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia. From that port city, they sailed to Saint Jean d'Acre, capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Niccolo and Maffeo Polo remitting a letter from Kubilai to Pope Gregory X in 1271.
The long sede vacante — between the death of Pope Clement IV, in 1268, and the election of Pope Gregory X, in 1271 — prevented the Polos from fulfilling Kublai’s request. As suggested by Theobald Visconti, papal legate for the realm of Egypt, in Acre for the Ninth Crusade, the two brothers returned to Venice in 1269 or 1270, waiting for the nomination of the new Pope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo
everybody can just edit wikipedia-sites.. but seems interesting..
btw: I like the folkloristic dress from the island Pag. the girls wear very Venezian looking nice hats.. http://www.hic.hr/hrvatski/oHrvatskoj/oHrvatskojImages/nosnja-16.jpg
Longinus
11-25-2008, 12:04 AM
He wasn't even responsible for one teeny little crime against humanity
Pseudo-humanitarian pederasty is far more dishonest than straitforward violence, so lay of with the pose.
...not a Croat, I agree.
Yes he was one of us because he lived adventurously while your folks lived at best in a stable.
Allegheny
11-25-2008, 12:57 AM
Pseudo-humanitarian pederasty is far more dishonest than straitforward violence, so lay of with the pose.
Yes he was one of us because he lived adventurously while your folks lived at best in a stable.
I chainsaw rape your mother.
Curatrix
11-25-2008, 01:00 AM
If his ancestors came from Šibenik (Shibenik) as your article sugested than he was a genetic Croat because of all costal citties of Dalmatia Šibenik was the only one originaly founded and inhabited by medieval Croats:
.....hahaha isn't this sort like Rastafarians claiming jesus christ is black? smoked pot, and loved reggae?
Who owns the Croat history website? Doesn't appear to be the government, any government, any library, any university. Just some croat trying to pump it up?
Longinus
11-25-2008, 01:59 AM
I chainsaw rape your mother.
Your mouth is like a Yankee twat, one can clearly see African president's cock falling out of it.
.....hahaha isn't this sort like Rastafarians claiming jesus christ is black? smoked pot, and loved reggae?
You know nothing about Korčula or Balkans. A Kaffir could articulate vaguely more sensible refutation but I don't see it coming from you.
Who owns the Croat history website? Doesn't appear to be the government, any government, any library, any university. Just some croat trying to pump it up?
Michael Donley who wrote a book about it is clearly not a Croat but anglo of some sort.
http://www.korculainfo.com/adverts/book/marcopolosisle.htm
Ace Rimmer
11-25-2008, 12:42 PM
He wasn't even responsible for one teeny little crime against humanity...not a Croat, I agree.
I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk.
Niccolo and Donkey
11-29-2008, 12:46 AM
I really don't think Marco Polo was a Venetian in a sense that his family came from the city of Venice. Not many real Venetians ever lived in Dalmatia. Venetian republic just owned the province for a period of time. He was probably a medieval Slavic Croat, or a Latin-speaking Illyrian Dalmat (not to be confused with Shiptars) or something in between.
One thing is certain, he was not an Italian by any definition but an offspring of our local 'Balkan' population.
This sounds about right. I lean towards the Latin Illyrian, but we simply do not know.
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