Jews For Jesus

[The Retard]

Hey, what do you think about Jews for Jesus'?


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Jews for Jesus' official mission statement is "to make the messiahship of Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They claim that belief in Jesus as messiah is a logical fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew scripture. Moishe Rosen argues that Christianity is the fulfillment of traditional Jewish beliefs. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of literature, producing music and organising person-to-person evangelism, the organisation asserts that a specifically Jewish mission is necessary, as "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials that are couched in Christian presuppositions and lingo, because they reinforce the assumption that Jesus is for "them" not "us."'(1)

According to its Executive Director, Jews for Jesus employs "only front-line missionaries who are Jewish or married to Jews." Though some missionaries identify themselves as Jewish, in fact many times only their spouses, fathers, or grandfathers are or were Jewish. According to the laws of Judaism, these missionaries would not themselves be considered Jews and are often not accepted as legitimate Jews in the areas in which they attempt to proselytize.

Meanwhile, Jews for Jesus actively seeks financial support from Christians to fund their organization, and they specifically recruit Christians to work in the agency, though not, at Rosen points out, at the "front lines" of public evangelical tactics.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

A link to their website: www.jewsforjesus.org (http://www.jewsforjesus.org/)

[jasonlfunk]

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.

Jesus was a rebell. His worst enemies were orthodox jews.

[ironweed]

;)


Jews for Judaism
The Response to an Urgent Need

On ABC's award-winning news program, 20/20, Barbara Walters recently asked, "What if your 12-year-old came home and said an adult had persuaded him to change his religion?" This question introduced the story of a boy who was coerced into conversion three months shy of his Bar Mitzvah. His conversion took place during a youth program held in a Southern Baptist church. The church member who spoke to this boy told him that he could be "Jewish and Christian at the same time." The report made clear that a serious threat to the Jewish community has taken on new proportions. According to recent Gallup and Harris polls, there are over 70 million "born again" Christians in North America, many of whom are convinced that in order for Jesus to return, the Jewish people must first be converted to Christianity. Christian denominations such as the Southern Baptist Convention -- which passed a resolution in 1996 targeting Jews for conversion -- and the Assemblies of G-d, as well as countless other Christian groups worldwide, contribute more than $250 million annually to aggressively evangelize Jews. These evangelical Christians have established special "Hebrew Christian synagogues" to attract Jews. Such "synagogues" have grown in number from 20 to over 400 in the last twenty years.

Missionaries convince their recruits that they are not complete as Jews until they accept Jesus as the Messiah, and that a Jew retains his or her Jewish identity after converting to Christianity. According to a 1990 Council of Jewish Federations population study, over 600,000 Jews in North America alone identify with some type of Christianity. Over the past 25 years, more than 275,000 Jews worldwide have been converted specifically by missionaries who use deceptive tactics that masquerade Christian beliefs in the guise of Judaism. The Gospel is preached by "Messianic rabbis" wearing yarmulkas (skullcaps) and talleisim (prayer shawls) at "Shabbat" and "High Holiday" services. These "Hebrew Christians" promote their Christian faith by using a new name: "Messianic Judaism."

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[Vindex]

All the original followers jewsus had in the bible where all jews with the except of matthew who was a shabbos goy supreme, saul the hooked nose of marxsus was a uber jew, and old jewsus was a rabbi who taugh in the jewish temple and shitogogues. His only rebellion was against the small group of the jewish priest caste that refused to buy into his bullshit claims that he was the jewish messiah. So he got pissed off and denouced the jew elders for disagreeing with him. Starting another of many jewish religious fights this time between rabbi jesus jewish sect and the main jewish ruling sect. That ended up with jewsus nailed to a stick on the losers end of the conflict.

[Boleslaw]

All the original followers jewsus had in the bible where all jews with the except of matthew who was a shabbos goy supreme, saul the hooked nose of marxsus was a uber jew, and old jewsus was a rabbi who taugh in the jewish temple and shitogogues. His only rebellion was against the small group of the jewish priest caste that refused to buy into his bullshit claims that he was the jewish messiah. So he got pissed off and denouced the jew elders for disagreeing with him. Starting a another of many jewish religious fights between rabbi jesus jewish sect and the main jewish ruling sect. That ended up with jewsus nailed to a stick on the losers end of the conflict.

How do you sleep at night? :nono:

[Vindex]

With a lot of naked super model hotties and on a pile of gold.:222:

How do you sleep at night? :nono:

[Boleslaw]

I pity you.

[Slavic Enforcer]

All the original followers jewsus had in the bible where all jews with the except of matthew who was a shabbos goy supreme, saul the hooked nose of marxsus was a uber jew, and old jewsus was a rabbi who taugh in the jewish temple and shitogogues. His only rebellion was against the small group of the jewish priest caste that refused to buy into his bullshit claims that he was the jewish messiah. So he got pissed off and denouced the jew elders for disagreeing with him. Starting another of many jewish religious fights this time between rabbi jesus jewish sect and the main jewish ruling sect. That ended up with jewsus nailed to a stick on the losers end of the conflict.

AC, you can suck my crooked cock.

I am not a practising Christian, but even I know that Jesus was a great guy.

[Vindex]

So what.:rofl:

I pity you.

[The Retard]

All the original followers jewsus had in the bible where all jews with the except of matthew who was a shabbos goy supreme, saul the hooked nose of marxsus was a uber jew, and old jewsus was a rabbi who taugh in the jewish temple and shitogogues. His only rebellion was against the small group of the jewish priest caste that refused to buy into his bullshit claims that he was the jewish messiah. So he got pissed off and denouced the jew elders for disagreeing with him. Starting another of many jewish religious fights this time between rabbi jesus jewish sect and the main jewish ruling sect. That ended up with jewsus nailed to a stick on the losers end of the conflict.

Weren't you the one that believed Jesus was a Pagan God that the Jews morphed into the Jewish messiah?

[Vindex]

I do not believe so, but I do state that christianity was a juadized rip of older Pagan religions.


Weren't you the one that believed Jesus was a Pagan God that the Jews morphed into the Jewish messiah?

[Boleslaw]

I do not believe so, but I do state that christianity was a juadized rip of older Pagan religions.
No it wasnt.

[The Retard]

I do not believe so, but I do state that christianity was a juadized rip of older Pagan religions.

Dr Anti-Christ, what older Pagan religions? I'm interested in any proof you have to backup this claim. Because I don't think you have any evidence so eye-opening that it makes Belloc denounce Christianity. :p

[Starr]

This always brings to mind, now a wildly angry Rabbi Shmuley:

www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1127420021

[Vindex]

Dr Anti-Christ, what older Pagan religions? I'm interested in any proof you have to backup this claim. Because I don't think you have any evidence so eye-opening that it makes Belloc denounce Christianity. :p

Well I do not care about Belloc, there is enough information on the Pagan origins of christianity to fill a libary at the least. But here are some links I have found very to the point.
http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Revelation.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/time.html

[Petr]

But here are some links I have found very to the point.
http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Revelation.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/time.html
If you actually think that this internet garbage represents genuine scholarship, then I have no words to describe your intellectual feebleness.

Here 's a Nietszche quote that really fits you:

"The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole."


Petr

[Vindex]

Funny you would use a guy who penned a book called the Anti-Christ to toss pointless but amusing insults at me, and I do find it not no suprise the cut and paste commando, has to even use other peoples cut and pasted comments on others.

There is more sound information in those links then the unproven book where people walk on water, virgins pop out brats and people float up to heaven, not to mention dead rotting people magically come to life. And salvation becomes of the jews.lol


If you actually think that this internet garbage represents genuine scholarship, then I have no words to describe your intellectual feebleness.

Here 's a Nietszche quote that really fits you:

"The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole."


Petr

[Keystone]

All the original followers jewsus had in the bible where all jews with the except of matthew who was a shabbos goy supreme, saul the hooked nose of marxsus was a uber jew, and old jewsus was a rabbi who taugh in the jewish temple and shitogogues. His only rebellion was against the small group of the jewish priest caste that refused to buy into his bullshit claims that he was the jewish messiah. So he got pissed off and denouced the jew elders for disagreeing with him. Starting another of many jewish religious fights this time between rabbi jesus jewish sect and the main jewish ruling sect. That ended up with jewsus nailed to a stick on the losers end of the conflict.
That would appear to be the case. But ya gotta have faith.

[Keystone]

If you actually think that this internet garbage represents genuine scholarship, then I have no words to describe your intellectual feebleness.
As opposed to the "internet garbage" you cut and paste by the volume. Bible verses, commentary on the bible and more tedious social commentary based on the bible. YOu can intellectualize Christianity all you want, but it still comes down to faith.

By the way, jesusneverexisted.com is pretty impressive in its scope. IT's bloody huge, well documented and in PLAIN LANGUAGE. Very important, that.

Why don't you start a jesusexisted.com site?

[Petr]

As opposed to the "internet garbage" you cut and paste by the volume. Bible verses, commentary on the bible and more tedious social commentary based on the bible. YOu can intellectualize Christianity all you want, but it still comes down to faith.

By the way, jesusneverexisted.com is pretty impressive in its scope. IT's bloody huge, well documented and in PLAIN LANGUAGE. Very important, that.

Why don't you start a jesusexisted.com site?
I post mainly quality material. All "cut and pasting" is not equal, you know. It is typical for mediocrities to start crying about "cutting and pasting" when they faced with irrefutable arguments.

All people who seriously doubt Jesus' historical existence are morons, even if they make scholarly pretensions. It's that simple.

I frankly expected better from you than this crybaby act, and siding with A-C's stupidity.


Petr

[Keystone]

I post mainly quality material. All "cut and pasting" is not equal, you know. It is typical for mediocrities to start crying about "cutting and pasting" when they faced with irrefutable arguments.
No theological argument is irrefutable. There is no material evidence, and alas, we poor humans are stuck in a material world. You can have feelings, epiphanies, awakenings, beliefs, etc..., but it's still not provable on our level.
All people who seriously doubt Jesus' historical existence are morons, even if they make scholarly pretensions. It's that simple.There are many people who doubt his existence who aren't morons. The evidence for the Jesus of the NT is practically all contained in the NT (alleged OT prophecies excluded--that's another topic), so you could see where folks would be skeptical, yes?

I think the "never existed" theory is more concerned with a literal god-man versus a Jewish agitator.


I frankly expected better from you than this crybaby act, and siding with A-C's stupidity.
I question my faith all the time. All the time. I don't feel like an infidel. God made me that way.

[Vindex]

Even your jesus lost his faith when they nailed him to the stick.....but I respect your answer as it is a honest one. And I agree.

That would appear to be the case. But ya gotta have faith.

[Keystone]

Even your jesus lost his faith when they nailed him to the stick.....
Ya he did and he said a lot of things that would make him a disgruntled jewish fundie in the gospels. He didn't care for gentiles, that much is plain. The bits at the end of the gospels about going to all nations are out of character.

but I respect your answer as it is a honest one. And I agree.
It's all about what you believe. Going to "Hel" for not believing is ridiculous.

[Vindex]

Well you and petr are in the same boat about questions of faith, he just tries to balance it out, with extreme bibe thumping, and attempted rational framing. Given long experience with that type of christian the person they are trying to convince is themselves the most. Their sin is projection, I have always found the serious and deep believers are the opposite of the petr types.

No theological argument is irrefutable. There is no material evidence, and alas, we poor humans are stuck in a material world. You can have feelings, epiphanies, awakenings, beliefs, etc..., but it's still not provable on our level.
There are many people who doubt his existence who aren't morons. The evidence for the Jesus of the NT is practically all contained in the NT (alleged OT prophecies excluded--that's another topic), so you could see where folks would be skeptical, yes?

I think the "never existed" theory is more concerned with a literal god-man versus a Jewish agitator.



I question my faith all the time. All the time. I don't feel like an infidel. God made me that way.

[Vindex]

But yet there is major core of the christian religion control by fear.lol

It's all about what you believe. Going to "Hel" for not believing is ridiculous.

[Keystone]

But yet there is major core of the christian religion control by fear.lol
All because the bible translators but the Anglo Saxon "Hel" into Jesus' mouth. The Old Testament jews didn't have a "hell".

Jesus' hell was "gehenna". A garbage dump. Don't screw around with Yahweh or you'll end up in the town dump.

[Vindex]

The original Pagan view of Hel was not fire and brimstone, that was a christian add on to keep the people in debt by fear. From what I have seen of the old testiment the most close thing to bad place is the sheol/grave. The jews as a whole I think are a materialistic/atheistic type group. The old testiment is really devoid of any spirituality in my opinon.

All because the bible translators but the Anglo Saxon "Hel" into Jesus' mouth. The Old Testament jews didn't have a "hell".

Jesus' hell was "gehenna". A garbage dump. Don't screw around with Yahweh or you'll end up in the town dump.

[Boleslaw]

Actually if you look at the original Greek, Jesus referred to "Hades".

[Kodos]

Actually if you look at the original Greek, Jesus referred to "Hades".

Was it originally in Greek... I don't think a poor carpenter from the hardcore pharisee part of Judea would be Hellenized, nor would his( conviently posthumous) biographers...

[Boleslaw]

Was it originally in Greek... I don't think a poor carpenter from the hardcore pharisee part of Judea would be Hellenized, nor would his( conviently posthumous) biographers...
Well think again.

"Still, one fact must be stressed. Christianity has had a strong tie to Hellenism from the beginning, in that it was spread by means of Greek. The oldest Christian writings, including the authentic letters of Paul, were written in Greek. Whatever may have been the linguistic form of oral tradition and underlying sources of the canonical Gospels, these, too, were composed in Greek. The choice is not limited to the mission of the "Apostle to the Gentiles". It is inherent in the usage of communities that produced the texts that were later canonized as a cherent set, the New Testament. The Jews of the Diaspora were speakers of Greek. They adopted the koine, the language of communication throughout the Orient from the time of Alexander's conquests. Galilee was strongly marked by Hellenistic civilization, and even in Judea, Greek was widespread.”
--"Hellenism and Christianity" from Greek thought : a guide to classical knowledge edited by Jacques Brunschwig and Geoffrey E.R. Lloyd, with the collaboration of Pierre Pellegrin ; translated under the direction of Catherine Porter. page 858

[TheAltarOfThorr]

Jews for Jesus is a Christian missionary movement which is designed to infiltrate Judaism using the semblance of Jewish observance in order to snare those Jews who aren't knowledgeable with regard to their religion. If I remember correctly, it is a major organization which is funded by the Southern Baptists in their efforts to convert Jews. The same goes for the so-called "Messianic Judaism" movement which exists today. The theology is inherently Protestant Christian, while the outward modes of observance and culture are taken from Ashkenazic or Eastern-European Jewish practices. In fact, the term "Messianic Judaism" is an ironic choice for these missionaries, given the fact that Orthodox Judaism has a fully developed philosophy on the Mashiach (Moshiach in Ashkenazic pronunciation) or Messiah, which is 100% halakhically acceptible. In other words, Judaism held the notion of a Messiah long before Christianity was even thought up in the minds of Greek Gentiles.

Another issue I'd like to address while I'm making the post is the idea that the "Orthodox Jews" were Jesus' largest enemy. In Jesus' time, during what is known as the Second Temple period or Second Commonwealth, there were a plethora of Jewish movements which had resulted from divergent modes of exegesis and halakha development. From memory, I can name the Essenes, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Zealots. The Sadducees and Pharisees were the most popular and well-known during this time; but who would define what is an "Orthodox Jew" during this period? There was no Orthodox perspective; the Pharisees were developing their halakha according to the traditions which they had preserved from their past leaders according to their particular worldview (which would later be compiled into the Mishnah), and though they became the dominant force in Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple, during this time they were one sect among many. From what I understand, Jesus was not officially affiliated with any Jewish movement; many Jews during this time were not. His views were not out of step with Judaism in general, according to the Torah and the Prophets (Nevi'im.) He believed that the laws of the Torah were binding above those of folk traditions, and he disagreed with the Pharisees when they would observe customs that would violate the laws of the Torah according to its essential meaning, or P'shat; he believed in the resurrection of the dead, which the Sadducees did not accept yet the Pharisees did; and he believed that the proper intent must be maintained when performing the commandments or Mitzvoth of the Torah, which is in agreement with modern Orthodox Judaism. In fact, his views are the closest to what we may call Karaite Judaism, yet it did not exist as an organized movement during that time; it came into being around the 7th century, not to be confused with the Annanites headed by Anan ben David. If we were to label a particular group of Jews as Jesus' enemy, then the Sadducees would fit this label much better than the Pharisees. Afterall, Rome controlled access to the Temple and regulated Jewish observance, and the Sadducees were illegitimate successors to the priesthood, favored Hellenism, and were essentially the puppets of Rome since their entire priestly function was granted or taken away by the Roman state. Jesus was one of many who identified with the common people and inspired them with a Messianic hope and future redemption; like many others who had attained high levels of support amongst the "am haaretz" or common people, Rome feared his influenced and put him to death by crucifixion. The Sadducees were the instruments by which Jesus was delivered to Rome.

Even still, Jesus was a thoroughly Jewish teacher, and his views reflect his inclinations to revert to the ancient Jewish observances, as opposed to accepting modern innovations to the religion. As he said, "the old wine is better."

TheAltarOfThorr