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eggheadbanga
03-04-2006, 06:47 PM
An oldie but a goldie....


How To Be A Revisionist Scholar

Author: Michael Philips [topcat@igc.apc.org] First-Published: January 3, 1996 (alt.revisionism)

Hey lurkers! After browsing through alt.revisionism posts for awhile, you may already have figured out how to become a Holocaust revisionist. It's easy. For those of you considering such a move, be assured that it requires no preparation or scholarly research. Simply follow the guidelines below, as the revisionists on this newsgroup have done, and you'll quickly be on the road to deluding yourself that someone out there takes you seriously, and that you are valiantly fighting the evil forces of some undefined, implausible conspiracy.
1. Creamed Mush with Fog Sauce -- Never provide evidence for your assertions. In fact, respond to demands for evidence the way Dracula responds to crucifixes. Do anything you can to avoid it. Throw insults. Change the subject. Obfuscate. Laugh derisively. Claim you already gave the evidence or that someone else did. But never provide any evidence yourself (unless you provide an incomplete or incomprehensible citation along with it).

2. Heads-I-Win-Tails-You-Lose -- Demand that all evidence for the Holocaust be proved genuine (dodging any discussion of what that proof would consist of), and also demand that all your unsubstantiated assertions be proved false. That way, you never bear any burden of proof. (originally posted by Mike Stein)

3. Hello, I'm a Cremation Expert -- Claim that the 52 Auschwitz furnaces could not have had the capacity to burn 4,756 corpses per day because modern commercial crematoriums don't have such a capacity. When its pointed out to you that there's no comparison between ordinary commercial crematoriums and those built in the camps, for a variety of reasons -- e.g. coffins were not used, one can cremate more than one corpse in a single retort, etc. -- ignore this and repeat the claim.

4. And I'm a Chemist too! -- Express a series of doubts and claims about the properties of Zyklon-B, the gas used to kill people in Auschwitz gas chambers. For example, claim that Zyklon-B is not an ideal agent for mass gassing, and therefore the Nazis shouldn't have used it and thus they *didn't* use it.

Even better, claim that they *couldn't* have used it because the gas lingering in the chamber after the murders would have killed anyone trying to enter the chambers to remove the corpses. When someone explains to you (countless times) that some of the gas chambers had powerful ventilation systems to remove the gas and in other cases people entering wore gas masks, argue that despite the ventilation there would still somehow be enough residual gas in the chambers to kill people.

Keep waving a DuPont brochure around in an attempt to ward off those who know more about chemistry than you do. Also claim that ventilating the gas would cause problems to individuals downwind. When someone explains to you that the gas is lighter than air, just quietly go away for awhile or change the subject or complain about a mean word they may have used.

5. Sticks and Stones -- If you're being wiped out with evidence and reasoning you cannot refute, you can always take refuge in complaining about the language being used by your adversaries. For example, if they say, "I've already explained that it takes less gas to kill people than lice, and therefore there are fewer cyanide residues remaining on the gas chamber walls than on the delousing chamber walls, you moron," you can respond by complaining about their use of the word "moron."

You can actually evade quite a bit of serious discussion by spending a lot of time condescendingly lecturing the newsgroup about their use of trashy language. But this approach doesn't work very well in building credibility. You may view yourself as an arbiter of social discourse but you'll actually come off like a den-mother scurrying around excoriating the little Cub Scouts to behave themselves.

6. Oh Sorry, I Ate the Last One -- Claim that Jews and other prisoners were not intentionally starved, that they were victims of food shortages just like everybody else. When it is pointed out that neither the camp guards nor people living in the vicinity of the camps starved to death, just claim that this does not prove there was an intentional starvation policy, and that if there is no piece of paper with a written order to starve people, then no starvation occurred.

7. The "What's It Mean?" Spiral of Infinity -- Try to keep your opponents off balance by constantly shifting or questioning the definitions of words. For example, if your opponent states that historians generally agree that 1 million Jews were killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz during the Holocaust, you can ask, what do you mean by "historian" or what do you mean by "Jew" or what do you mean by "agree?"

Alternatively, when confronted with the evidence that Himmler called for the "ausrotten" of the Jews, argue that ausrotten doesn't really mean extermination. When proof of that definition is provided by German dictionaries and German speakers on the newsgroup, just ignore it.

8. Now You See It, Now You Don't -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because they are not still standing. Of course, by this logic, the Mayflower, Carthage, Jimmy Hoffa, and large portions of the Great Wall never existed. When this is pointed out to you, ignore it.

9. Kafka Was Here -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos or drawings of them. When you are presented with photos and drawings, state that they could not possibly be actual photos/drawings of gas chambers because the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos/drawings of them because they never existed because . . .

10. Fun With Math -- Charge the anti-revisionists with playing numbers games while engaging in them yourself. For example, argue that the "holohoaxers" have changed the estimated number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million. When it's pointed out to you that the 4 million figure was supplied by the Soviets and refers to the total number of victims, not just Jews, and has always been considered ridiculously inflated by non-Soviet historians who have never varied from the 1 million figure for Jews, just repeat that the holohaoxers have changed the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million and that the Holocaust is therefore a hoax.

The point of this tactic, of course, is to try to make ALL the death figures questionable. If 4 million is unreliable, then 1 million is likewise unreliable, and you just keep revising the numbers downward until you reach zero, and then - poof! - no Holocaust!

11. The Great Leap -- This tactic goes like this: If one piece of testimony about the Holocaust seems unreliable, then ALL testimony about the Holocaust is unreliable. If one Holocaust witness may have recanted something on the stand, then all other Holocaust witnesses are liars. If some camp prisoners did not starve to death, then NONE of them starved to death. etc. But be careful. This is a double-edged sword -- someone may use the well-documented lies of other revisionists to conclude that YOU are a liar as well.

12. But I'm Not Anti-Semitic -- Try to find examples of misdeeds by an individual Jewish person, then imply that this makes all Jews look bad. When you are asked why you think one Jew represents all Jews but that one Christian doesn't represent all Christians, ignore the question.

13. Grab Bag of Idiocy -- Here are a few quick claims you can easily make, although be forewarned that they will immediately make you look like an imbecile: a) Claim that "the Jews" declared war on Hitler (whatever that means), and that anything he did to them was an act of self-defense; b) With absolutely zero supporting evidence, claim that the corpses in the Auschwitz furnaces would have exploded, damaging the furnaces and thereby bringing the corpse cremation figures into question; c) Argue that because the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC has a small model of a gas chamber and not a full-scale model, this somehow proves that gas chambers did not exist during WWII; d) Argue that the existence of a brothel in Auschwitz means there could not have been gas chambers there.

14. If you don't want to look like a total buffoon, there's always the pseudo-academic, above-the-fray approach. With a huge dose of arrogance and superiority, explain that you are neither a revisionist nor any other "label", merely someone with a healthy skepticism about everything, including Holocaust history (ALL of it), and that you are conducting your own research to determine for yourself whether certain Holocaust incidents actually took place. Pretend to be totally impartial (despite the avalanche of Holocaust evidence you would encounter the minute you actually began any legitimate research), but in your posts only question the Holocaust historians' statements, not revisionists' statements.

15. Alternatively claim that: a) the Jews in the camps died as a result of allied bombing; b) the Jews weren't killed in the camps but were sent to Russia; and c) the Jews never even went to the camps because the railroad capacity was insufficient. When someone points out that these are mutually exclusive, and that it would be a neat trick for allied bombs in 1944 to result in the deaths of Jews in 1942, ignore it.

16. As for the motive behind the Holocaust "hoax", claim that the Holocaust was invented near the end of WWII by people who foresaw the establishment of the state of Israel, and also foresaw that Israel would face years of conflict with its neighbors, and also foresaw the consequent need for U.S. military and financial aid to Israel, and also foresaw possible public opposition to such aid, and so they invented a huge hoax with thousands of phony witnesses and documents so that those who might oppose the aid to Israel would feel sorry for Jews and wouldn't oppose the aid. When someone points out to you that this is sheer idiocy and that acts of genocide do not automatically turn on the aid spigot to the victims, ignore them.

17. Although all of your arguments will be consistently blown to smithereens, just wait a few days or weeks and then re-post them.

18. Remember that the revisionist community is peopled mainly by racists, white-supremacists, Israel-bashers, and Nazis. This means that everyone except these kinds of people will dismiss you. But don't let that stop you. Don't let your Fellini-esque, internally inconsistent, un-researched, hypocritical distortions and lies prevent you from continuing to post. After all, you're fighting for the truth (as you'd like it to be).

Trojan
03-04-2006, 06:57 PM
A true classic - no revisionist board should be without.

eggheadbanga
03-04-2006, 07:12 PM
My favourite:

17. Although all of your arguments will be consistently blown to smithereens, just wait a few days or weeks and then re-post them.

cerberus
03-04-2006, 07:14 PM
Can you quote yourself in your research ?:)
I mean , can you thank yourself for your "scholarly contributions" and "hard work.":p
Sounds like a great job.;)

eggheadbanga
03-04-2006, 07:16 PM
Can you quote yourself in your research ?:)
I mean , can you thank yourself for your "scholarly contributions" and "hard work.":p
Sounds like a great job.;)

You mean, like Germar Rudolf did, inventing multiple personalities for himself? :rofl:

Dan Dare
03-04-2006, 07:38 PM
What is this threadbare old chestnut and sophomorically peurile attempt at humour doing in the History section?

I'll request that one of the Mods move it the Lounge. Sulla?

achtung circus
03-04-2006, 07:49 PM
I'll request that one of the Mods move it the Lounge. Sulla?

Can we pin it? as a reference tool?

cerberus
03-04-2006, 07:55 PM
I am tempted to think of its as something of a schizophrenic experience for "G.R.".
What dan fails to see that the dry wit aside -" eggheadbanga" is only reflecting back the points made by revisionists.

eggheadbanga
03-04-2006, 08:14 PM
What is this threadbare old chestnut and sophomorically peurile attempt at humour doing in the History section?

Well, then, refute it, or at the very least link to a point-by-point rebuttal.

The amazing thing is how well it's aged in 10 years, which just goes to show how little revisionism has advanced in that time. I suppose the updated version will have to include Krege's ground-penetrating radar 'survey', which remains miraculously unpublished nearly six-seven years on. :nono:

I'll request that one of the Mods move it the Lounge. Sulla?

typical bloody denier, bleat about free speech when it suits them, and then when anyone calls them on anything, demand censorship. c.f. CODOH.

oh yeah, and how many threads have been started by revisionists simply reposting an article/excerpt?

Dan Dare
03-04-2006, 08:21 PM
...typical bloody denier, bleat about free speech when it suits them, and then when anyone calls them on anything, demand censorship. c.f. CODOH.

I'm not suggesting that it be censored, in fact I think such silliness should be highlighted for what it is.

What am I am suggesting is that it does not belong in the high-brow section of the forum, and I am requesting is that it be moved to a somewhere more appropriate.

There are quality standards that need to be maintained, you know, and the Lounge is the area that is designated for "humour" such as this.

achtung circus
03-04-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm not suggesting that it be censored, in fact I think such silliness should be highlighted for what it is.

It's a fairly complete tactical doctrine, nothing silly about it.

eggheadbanga
03-04-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm not suggesting that it be censored, in fact I think such silliness should be highlighted for what it is.

What am I am suggesting is that it does not belong in the high-brow section of the forum, and I am requesting is that it be moved to a somewhere more appropriate.

There are quality standards that need to be maintained, you know, and the Lounge is the area that is designated for "humour" such as this.

What you have missed is that the above satire is painfully accurate. To put it another way, the methodologies and techniques of denial are so ludicrous that it deserves this kind of ridicule.

As for 'high-brow' versus 'low-brow', I don't think rhetorical cliches such as 'holohoax' and their like are especially high-brow, and in fact rather demean the authors' intellectual level. Again, not unknown in revisionist postings on this forum.

brigadier Biggles
03-05-2006, 11:30 AM
its all rubbish that reeks of being created by left wing students and people like that dolt a radek, the use of the word "nazis" as a disparaging term and a generally pompous self righteous attitude throughout give it away.

in any case its them who do the most name calling and untoward behaviour as demonstrated by this thread.

and i'm not even a revisionist.

Helios Panoptes
03-05-2006, 11:40 AM
its all rubbish that reeks of being created by left wing students and people like that dolt a radek, the use of the word "nazis" as a disparaging term and a generally pompous self righteous attitude throughout give it away.

in any case its them who do the most name calling and untoward behaviour as demonstrated by this thread.

and i'm not even a revisionist.

You are a sympathizer! :nono:

:p

brigadier Biggles
03-05-2006, 12:06 PM
when it comes to taking sides between left wing students my age with life experience as long as their dick and people in their 40s, 50s who have been there done that then yes i side with the latter.

cerberus
03-05-2006, 12:34 PM
I'll request that one of the Mods move it the Lounge. Sulla?

Dan - this is "thought crime" , you can't deny us "freedom of speech" or " freedom of historical expression".:rolleyes:

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 12:40 PM
Dan - this is "thought crime" , you can't deny us "freedom of speech" or " freedom of historical expression".:rolleyes:

Well, now we've been denied our proper platform in the history forum, I vote we maintain this thread as a resource for denier inanities. :222:

cerberus
03-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Thread been moved - there must be a Jewish plot to take over the Phora - you remember how previously Phora was hacked and destroyed - it has to be the Jews again.:p
A Jew moved this thread if only to deny truth a platform , we must tell Mark Weber at IhR.;)

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:03 PM
You mean, like Germar Rudolf did, inventing multiple personalities for himself? :rofl:
Well, non-revisionist "scholars" like John Lott have done the same thing. :p

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:04 PM
Thread been moved - there must be a Jewish plot to take over the Phora - you remember how previously Phora was hacked and destroyed - it has to be the Jews again.:p
To be fair to Fade, it actually was a Jew who was responsible for that. :o

Fade the Butcher
03-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Thread been moved - there must be a Jewish plot to take over the Phora - you remember how previously Phora was hacked and destroyed - it has to be the Jews again.:p

The Phora was hacked by Arabs from Saudi Arabia during August 2004. The same people tried to hack tNP just the other day. The last hack was carried out by a Jew. I believe the same individual took credit for many of the previous hacks before that.

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:09 PM
Pretty doubtful that he was in that case - he's quite the attention whore. :rolleyes:

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 08:12 PM
Well, non-revisionist "scholars" like John Lott have done the same thing. :p

Germar Rudolf is in the top five or top ten of revisionist authors.

By contrast - who the hell is John Lott? Don't recall him being Mr. Big Scholar of the Holocaust.:confused:

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:17 PM
Didn't mean to suggest that he IS a Holocaust scholar. He's a social scientist that did a famously bogus "study" called "More Guns, Less Crime."

He created an Internet sock puppet on a gun forum that went on and on about how she was a student of his, and how he was the greatest teacher in the world and so on. "Mary Rosh" I think he called it.

Dan Dare
03-05-2006, 08:28 PM
Pseudonyms are far from rare in academic circles.

George Orwell, for example, and Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu come to mind.

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 08:37 PM
Pseudonyms are far from rare in academic circles.

George Orwell, for example, and Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu come to mind.

Orwell was a journalist and novelist. Who's the other dude?

Didn't mean to suggest that he IS a Holocaust scholar. He's a social scientist that did a famously bogus "study" called "More Guns, Less Crime."
He created an Internet sock puppet on a gun forum that went on and on about how she was a student of his, and how he was the greatest teacher in the world and so on. "Mary Rosh" I think he called it.

More guns, less crime? That must have gone down well with his fellow liberal social scientists.

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Pseudonyms are far from rare in academic circles.

George Orwell, for example, and Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu come to mind.
There's quite a difference between just writing under a pseudonym, and creating an alternate identity that runs around talking about how great your true persona's research and teaching is, and acts as a confirmatory cheerleading section for you.

Kamandi
03-05-2006, 08:54 PM
More guns, less crime? That must have gone down well with his fellow liberal social scientists.
He's actually a conservative, but it was more his questionable econometrics that sunk his reputation, I think.

cerberus
03-05-2006, 08:57 PM
Sulla is a Jew :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Goes to prove my point - they are to blame for everything , the Fuhrer was right , "resettle" the lot of them in the east that's what I say .:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes.

A Jew hacked Phora before , and the Arabs. Good job they don't get along.

As far as Germars many names - it does look very silly when he thanks himself - would it not be more honest to say "all my own work".
It does create an illusion , that of credibility.( Dan this situation is so daft it does beggar belief).

A. Radek
03-05-2006, 08:59 PM
in any case its them who do the most name calling and untoward behaviour as demonstrated by this thread.

and i'm not even a revisionist.

You're not much of anything, sir BuggeredByStan, but, that aside, care to provide any proof of your first statement?

Dan hates it when these lists pop up. They make his non-posts look bad. As for 'humor', any thread posted by a Denier belongs in the humor or religion forum, mostly the Lounge, not the History Forum. If Denial threads by Basil or Dan are allowed to stand, then so should this thread be allowed to. Neither one of them have ever offered any evidence that revises anything.

A. Radek
03-05-2006, 09:07 PM
Well, now we've been denied our proper platform in the history forum, I vote we maintain this thread as a resource for denier inanities. :222:


Actually, we need a subforum, since the Management around here lets the Deniers clutter up the History Forum. We could post examples of actual revisionism, something Dan and Basil have apparently never encountered in their entire lives.

Fade the Butcher
03-05-2006, 09:09 PM
Sulla is a Jew Goes to prove my point - they are to blame for everything , the Fuhrer was right , "resettle" the lot of them in the east that's what I say

I have been accused of being 1.) a Jew, 2.) a quarter Jew, 3.) a half Jew, 4.) a three quarters Jew, 5.) an ADL plant, 6.) a disinformation agent working for the government, 7.) Jared Taylor, 8.) a Nazi, 9.) a neoconservative, 10.) a homosexual, 11.) and some poor fellow who posted his photo on the internet. And this is only the stuff that I immediantly recall being accused of.

A Jew hacked Phora before , and the Arabs. Good job they don't get along.

This is a fact. This same group of Arabs took down many other vBulletin forums at the same time by exploiting a recently discovered security flaw.

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 09:24 PM
He's actually a conservative, but it was more his questionable econometrics that sunk his reputation, I think.

sorry, got my wordings confused. meant 'his fellow social scientists, who are liberals'. Took it as read that someone writing a book entitled 'More Guns, Less Crime' would be a conservative. :o

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 09:24 PM
Actually, we need a subforum, since the Management around here lets the Deniers clutter up the History Forum. We could post examples of actual revisionism, something Dan and Basil have apparently never encountered in their entire lives.

Yes, but it'd be no fun without the Deniers.:222:

Dan Dare
03-05-2006, 09:28 PM
Orwell was a journalist and novelist. Who's the other dude?

Israel Ehrenburg was his original handle; surprised to hear you don't know of Ashley Montagu, I should have thought he was one of your bods. I'm pretty sure Kamandi's also a big fan fan of old Izzy.

eggheadbanga
03-05-2006, 09:33 PM
Israel Ehrenburg was his original handle; surprised to hear you don't know of Ashley Montagu, I should have thought he was one of your bods. I'm pretty sure Kamandi's also a big fan fan of old Izzy.

Never heard of him.

cerberus
03-05-2006, 09:36 PM
This is a fact. This same group of Arabs took down many other vBulletin forums at the same time by exploiting a recently discovered security flaw.
Wehrmacht awards was down a while back - V Bull. system , hacked .
Point taken.