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Felix the Cat
03-06-2006, 03:42 AM
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/34DBFE86-B741-4087-A5AA-DE791F9F27CD.htm

Canada's high court has allowed Sikh pupils to carry a small knife of religious significance in public schools, favouring multiculturalism over security.

It overturned a 2004 Quebec appeals court ruling barring the kirpan, which the high court said was a blow to freedom of religion.

The decision made on Thursday affects only schools, not other places such as airliners.

The case began in 2001 when Gurbaj Multani, then 12, was suspended from school in Montreal for carrying the kirpan.

"The council of commissioners' decision prohibiting (the boy) from wearing his kirpan to school infringes his freedom of religion," the ruling said.

"Religious tolerance is a very important value of Canadian society," the ruling said.

"The interference with (his) freedom of religion is neither trivial nor insignificant, as it has deprived him of his right to attend a public school," the court said.

Tolerance values

The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada said in a statement: "The accommodation of religious rights is intrinsic to the values of Canadian society as long as they are balanced against other fundamental rights, including the right to safety and security."

Gurbaj told reporters after the ruling, "It is an article of faith. We don't use it. We don't draw it."

Ann Lowthian of the World Sikh Organisation said of the continued prohibition of the kirpan in other venues: "These matters are settled on a case-by-case basis."

The ruling also said, "If some students consider it unfair that (a Sikh) may wear his kirpan to school while they are not allowed to have knives in their possession, it is incumbent on the schools to discharge their obligation to instil in their students this value that is at the very foundation of our democracy."

Security restrictions

"A total prohibition against wearing a kirpan to school undermines the value of this religious symbol and sends students the message that some religious practices do not merit the same protection as others.

"Lastly, the argument that the wearing of kirpans should be prohibited because the kirpan is a symbol of violence and because it sends the message that using force is necessary to assert rights and resolve conflict is not only contradicted by the evidence regarding the symbolic nature of the kirpan, but is also disrespectful to believers in the Sikh religion and does not take into account Canadian values based on multiculturalism," it added.

Orthodox Sikhs are required to carry the kirpan, one of the five artifacts of the Sikh faith, symbolising the obligation of the faithful to rise up against injustice.

It had already been allowed in schools in the provinces of Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia with certain security restrictions.

Nearly 280,000 Sikhs live in Canada, according to official statistics, and 10%-15% are orthodox.

Péter
03-06-2006, 03:52 AM
This is just about as ridiculous as the new Iraqi constitution, which calls for upholding all tenets of BOTH democracy and Islam. What a farce!

Felix the Cat
03-06-2006, 03:55 AM
Let me add here that I've had several knives confiscated by idiot airport security staff since 2001

What's the likelihood Sikhs are put under similar scrutiny? :rolleyes:

Heimdall
03-06-2006, 03:56 AM
Instead of telling the Sinkhs and other minorities that they have to adapt to Canada, it's telling them that Canada is willing to adapt to them. What's next? Animal, child sacrifices?

Starr
03-06-2006, 03:57 AM
Religious tolerance is a very important value of Canadian society," the ruling said.

Where is this tolerance for people who speak against homosexuality in a religious context?

Heimdall
03-06-2006, 04:00 AM
Where is this tolerance for people who speak against homosexuality in a religious context?

If you're brown, the government won't frown.

Starr
03-06-2006, 04:02 AM
If you're brown, the government won't frown.


:p
that could make for an interesting bumper sticker.

Vindex
03-06-2006, 04:12 AM
Fun stuff, "My name is taj and I carry dagger don't worry it not for stabbing, I promise...... until I stab you."

But it will help piss more Whites off against the muds and the system.

Donny the Punk
03-06-2006, 04:18 AM
Yawn. I used to bring knives to school and never stabbed anyone. I'd venture to say that most boys do at some point in their childhood. I've even got one on my keychain right now. I have yet to hear of a case in which a Canadian Sikh student actually used his kirpan violently. Have you got any?

Dan Dare
03-06-2006, 06:00 AM
Didn't Canada recently permit Sikh Mounties to wear a turban instead of the regular headgear?

It would be interesting to see a picture of one.

Donny the Punk
03-06-2006, 06:02 AM
Here is Baltej Singh Dhillon ca. 1990, the first Sikh to wear a turban in uniform.
http://www.sikhs.org/100th/baltej1.jpg

It's since been updated to match:
http://www.rcmpmuseum.com/feedback/turban.gif
It's very classy. Like being back in the Raj. :D The police wear them, too.

Dan Dare
03-06-2006, 06:05 AM
Actually Sikhs are bloody fine warriors. They were awarded several VCs in WW I.

Good luck to him.

Ahknaton
03-06-2006, 06:06 AM
They should make them carry daggers with floppy rubber blades. Or those joke/theatrical daggers where the blade slides inside the handle when you stab someone.

LaundryBob
03-06-2006, 07:14 AM
Potyondi is right. The Sikhs are the ones who shouldn't be in our schools, not the daggers.

Donny the Punk
03-06-2006, 07:17 AM
Not such a subtle edit, LB. Would you like me to repeat it for everyone else or will you? :p

LaundryBob
03-06-2006, 07:19 AM
I thought better of it given Canada's hate laws. The thought stands. ;)

Kodos
03-06-2006, 02:57 PM
Let me add here that I've had several knives confiscated by idiot airport security staff since 2001

What's the likelihood Sikhs are put under similar scrutiny? :rolleyes:

This is a very bad ruling but letting armed sikhs on planes sort of make sense, Sikhs fucking hate muslims with a deep burning passion.

007
11-24-2007, 07:17 PM
Didn't Canada recently permit Sikh Mounties to wear a turban instead of the regular headgear?

It would be interesting to see a picture of one.

Somebody took a great picture of a white guy in fake tan with a turbine on his head and pointy toed shoes wearing an RCMP uniform with the caption,
"Is this Canadian or does this make you Sikh?"
Alas, I cannot find it on the net.

Jimbo Gomez
11-24-2007, 07:58 PM
Are these the same liberals who want to outlaw gun ownership in part because it'd prevent school violence?

Jimbo Gomez
11-24-2007, 08:04 PM
Yawn. I used to bring knives to school and never stabbed anyone. I'd venture to say that most boys do at some point in their childhood. I've even got one on my keychain right now. I have yet to hear of a case in which a Canadian Sikh student actually used his kirpan violently. Have you got any?


A friend of mine got attacked by a drunken sikh who used his dagger once, cause he thought my friend was ogling his girlfriend (which may or may not be true, I never asked). That sikh, who was drunk as fuck, couldn't even stand up properly, so the attack was not very effective, and my friend was with four people, so you can guess who got the beating there.

I always wondered, a sikh drunk like that, he can't be very religious, so that dagger must have been there for other that traditional reasons. :D

Hartmann von Aue
11-24-2007, 09:16 PM
Let the Sikhs carry knives - and let the non-Sikhs carry them too.