The Jews

[Fade the Butcher]

Here is a subject we haven't discussed much lately. What are your thoughts on the Jews?

[Thomas777]

My thoughts on Jews are much in line with those of Kevin MacDonald.

That said, the ultimate source of "the beast" (as Jean Raspail dubbed it) is not Jewish machinations.

Jews are like carrion birds that attack and feast upon a stricken and dying (yet still living) body. They are not like an alien lamprey that corrupts a healthy and robust cultural organism and destroys it.

[Jimbo Gomez]

My thoughts on Jews are much in line with those of Kevin MacDonald.

That said, the ultimate source of "the beast" (as Jean Raspail dubbed it) is not Jewish machinations.

Jews are like carrion birds that attack and feast upon a stricken and dying (yet still living) body. They are not like an alien lamprey that corrupts a healthy and robust cultural organism and destroys it.

I pretty much agree. The white Christian male culturally castrated himself, they saw it happen and moved in to do what they do best: made a few pennies out of it.

[Dan Dare]

Sensible ethno-nationalists do not debate the JQ in public.

“We must fight on two fronts, but not by the same means. We must be very acute in our strategy. The best thing is to not speak about the Jews. They don’t exist. For me, they are like Eskimos.” Guillaume Faye, Amren Conference, 2006.

[I am Right]

Lampreys do not do that but Jews do.

One filthy, fat, greasy, leering, hook-nosed, rat-faced, obnoxious, lying, swindling, backstabbing, poisonous, money-grubbing, corrupting, disgusting fucking KIKE -

one bullet.

[Boleslaw]

My views on the Jewish race follow closely to that of Hilaire Belloc:


http://www.angeluspress.org/social_doctrine3.htm

The Jews
Hilaire Belloc

An attempt by the author to present a frank and open discussion of the Jewish question giving many of the issues involved with the problem. From the Preface, "The object of this book is…the relation between the Jews and the nations around them…" Belloc skips over ad hominem attacks and focuses on the undeniable reality of the problem of Jews living in a Christian culture.

Belloc's fairness and even-handedness is surprising. He speaks of:

the Jewish control of banking yet does not fail to point out that the average European Jew is poor

that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, but not a movement of the Jewish race as a whole

the Jewish mentality

the failure of gentiles to be honest about the Jewish question

Anti-Semitism (an evil to be deplored but hard to oppose because it exploits the truth so often denied by liberal gentiles), the only two forces capable of opposing industrial capitalism —the Jews and the Church…divergent paths

the interplay of the four most important forces in the world: the Catholic Church, the Jews, Islam and industrial capitalism

the history of the Jews in England (fascinating —control of money-lending in the Middle Ages, their exile under Edward I, their return under the Protestant Cromwell and their alliance against their mutual enemy, the Catholic Church, attempts to form an Anglo-Judaic state in Palestine (if this isn’t pertinent reading for today, then we don’t know what is!)

Zionism and much more!

[Boleslaw]

Here's another assestment of Belloc's I agree with:

“The irritation against Jewish power in Western Europe is partly the friction between the two races, but much more than annoyance of feeling that non-national financial power can restrict our information and affect our lives in all sorts of ways. It is legitimate to point out, if one does not grow wearisome, the fact that Jewish financial power has prevented people from knowing the truth about most famous foreign trials where Jews were concerned. But just because these matters so nearly verge upon violent emotion, it is essential to avoid anything like the suspicion of fanaticism. It destroys all one’s case and weakens all one’s efforts…I think it is particularly silly to turn our one independent paper we still have into a monotonous mass of repetition upon on the single question of the hundred it should deal with. Supposing one were to fill a paper entirely with the danger to England of the German Fleet – which is a very real and practical question calculated to interest a vast number of people – how deadly the paper would become in three weeks.”
--October 30, 1913

[Fade the Butcher]

I will throw out a question to kick off the debate. Is there any people in the entire world that is more self-absorbed than the Jews; that spends more time talking about their own problems and concerns? I have noticed that we hear about it every time so much as a Jewish grave is pissed on in France.

[Fade the Butcher]

Sensible ethno-nationalists do not debate the JQ in public.

I stopped talking about it after learning just about everything there is to know about the subject. I usually talk about inquiries that I am currently pursuing, not ones that I have completed.

[Boleslaw]

I generally dont talk about Jews namely that the topic bores me to death and its discussed ad nauseum.

[Jogminas]

Hmmm... I can't account for the sneaking suspicion that I unwittingly joined a Nazi site and have been discussing philosophy all night with intellectual lunatics. Thankfully I recovered and found THIS site which has restored my faith in the human faculties of reason and refreshed my perspectives on life and racial purity. Hail!

[Thomas777]

I will throw out a question to kick off the debate. Is there any people in the entire world that is more self-absorbed than the Jews; that spends more time talking about their own problems and concerns? I have noticed that we hear about it every time so much as a Jewish grave is pissed on in France.

Well, Jews are the ruling class in the Western World. I would guess that in olde England, if a Norman nobleman's horse was stolen, it would be highly publicized among the commoners too.

[I am Right]

The Jews are the dregs of humanity. They are sick and perverted to the core, a race of mongrelised, inbred, insane, ugly parasites who poison and corrupt healthy societies. They should be stamped on like cockroaches, No mercy.

Their history is interesting, similar to that of the Gypsies, are you familiar with the history of the Gypsies? Both tribes had their lands conquered, some of their original people were killed, some assimilated, some assimilated into neighbouring countries but some evolved this parasitic, cohesive alien minority culture of living in other people's lands without assimilating and both groups are subhuman scum.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Jews are among the most self absorbed people on the planet yes. That being said, the average present day nazi/nutzi seems to have learned well from his nemesis. Go to tNP and mention to Zyklop the bombing of Dresden to see what I mean. ;)

That last part was completely unnecessary, I know. :D

[Fade the Butcher]

Hmmm... I can't account for the sneaking suspicion that I unwittingly joined a Nazi site and have been discussing philosophy all night with intellectual lunatics. Thankfully I recovered and found THIS site which has restored my faith in the human faculties of reason and refreshed my perspectives on life and racial purity. Hail!

Do you have anything insightful to contribute to this discussion or are you just going to throw around insults and waste our time? There are probably a dozen Nazis out of the hundreds of people who regularly post here.

[Fade the Butcher]

I generally dont talk about Jews namely that the topic bores me to death and its discussed ad nauseum.

It hasn't been discussed here much at all lately (with the exception of pilloring TGM). That is why I brought up the subject.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Well, it can be agued that the dozens of holocaust threads were about jews too.

[Fade the Butcher]

The Jews are the dregs of humanity. They are sick and perverted to the core, a race of mongrelised, inbred, insane, ugly parasites who poison and corrupt healthy societies. They should be stamped on like cockroaches, No mercy.

Your sandbox is back up. You can troll at will there.

[albion]

MuadDib's primer on the jews that even a child can understand
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=164334

The Racial Origins of Political Correctness
http://wsi.matriots.com/political_correctness.html

Communism: a Jewish Creation
http://wsi.matriots.com/CommunismIsJewish.html

The Jewish Tribal Review
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/

Exiles From History
http://www.faem.com/david/

[Boleslaw]

It hasn't been discussed here much at all lately (with the exception of pilloring TGM). That is why I brought up the subject.

I was speaking generally. On almost any nationalist-based forum and such theres nothing but endless discussions about Jews and the Holocaust.

Ive never had much interest in either topics.

[Fade the Butcher]

True. The Phora is different, though. There are very few discussions here about the JQ (although they proliferate on SF and VNN). I suppose that is because nothing has been said about the subject that hasn't been said a million times in the past. The Holocaust is discussed to death here because there is a whole legion of people who are interested in the subject (most of whom are not racial nationalists).

[Jimbo Gomez]

I guess we're not good white people because we don't name the jew often enough. :(

[Thomas777]

I guess we're not good white people because we don't name the jew often enough. :(


Send me some fwickin money!!!!

[Jimbo Gomez]

Send me some fwickin money!!!!

I'll give you the same answer I gave TGM: only if you dance in front of a webcam wearing a pink tutu, and give me permission to put your act online.

[cerberus]

I have never knowingly exchanged a single word with a Jew or had any interaction with any member of the Jewish race , so about Jews I cannot say a single word , either for or against.

[WFHermans]

You never watched a Hollywood movie? You never paid taxes?

[Jogminas]

I'm still a faggot. LOL.

[Basil Fawlty]

My interest in this topic stems from studies into the holocaust myth. I stumbled upon holocaust revisionism some years back through something else I was researching quite unrelated to Jews or the holocaust. Needless to say this discovery overshadowed my original project which was subsequently resumed. To cut a long story short I became interested in Jewish identity and how it is shaped by anti-gentilism - 'them and us' in a very extreme form. The notion of Election and victimhood permeates their identity from the myth of the Flight from Egypt right through to the holocaust. The secularised form of this pair - election/victimhood - is the passive-agressive psychic constitution many Jews have.

Most of what passes for Jewish history is little more than self-serving myth. The same mythic structures, the same tropes keep reappearing again and again. In fact anyone really interested in the JQ should confine themselves, initially at least, to Jewish writings ranging from the bible through to the latest kvetchings from contemporary professional Jews like the ADL, Lipstadt, and the unspeakable Dershowitz to see how these structures and tropes have remained remarkably intact for many centuries.

What makes the holocaust myth somewhat original is that now the goyim are required to believe it on pain of being declared Amalek and dealt with accordingly, c.f. Irving et al. Although the holocaust is not the first Jewish myth to be foisted on gentiles, it is the first in which both Jews and genitles must subscribe to together. Christianity emerged as a Jewish heresy which was largely rejected by the Jews and then packaged for export. It was suitably adapted at the receiving end and in its Catholic, syncretic form lost many of its more pronounced semitic features.

The best book on this topic is undoubtedly When Victims Rule a vast (2,000+ page) complete overview written entirely from Jewish sources. Kevin McDonald is important too although I disagree with his metholdogical affiliations. Weininger's Sex and Character is useful too. But the Bible, read in the Jewish way, remains the fundamental text for this study as long as you realise that this is not a pre-history, when read in the Christian way, but carefully contrived mythography and a manual for Tribal success; it contains just about everything you need to about our peculiar friends. Hence I treat study of the JQ as a branch of comparative mythology and forensic investigation.

[Fade the Butcher]

Brandy,

Your presence is not desired here. You have been permanently banned from this website, forever. I don't know why you keep coming back. I'm guessing you can only play with your own feces for so long before getting the urge to fling it at someone else. Thus, I suggest you return to newfound online home. Your turds make worthy contributions to their sandbox.

[Keystone]

I was speaking generally. On almost any nationalist-based forum and such theres nothing but endless discussions about Jews and the Holocaust.
Bless you.
ve never had much interest in either topics.
You don't care for chat about nazis and jews or Glenn Miller? :confused:

I'm rattled.

[Keystone]

The Holocaust is discussed to death here because there is a whole legion of people who are interested in the subject (most of whom are not racial nationalists).
They just want to prove the Jews are filthy liars who need to be GD exposed, or on the other hand, defended like no other ethnic group in world history.

Just academic zeal, ya.

Take a better squint at the board. Jews are everywhere....:rofl:

[cerberus]

If the final solution had been "final" - and there were no Jews , who would take their place ?

[Keystone]

If the final solution had been "final" - and there were no Jews , who would take their place ?
Gypsys? I dunno. We don't have them here, but the blacks were always fair game.

[WFHermans]

No one. Jews are unique. They are The Chosen, the only true humans, according to the Talmud.

[Keystone]

No one. Jews are unique. They are The Chosen, the only true humans, according to the Talmud.
Do you believe this?

I was just asking, because many jews don't. Many "WNs" identify with jewishness more than actual jews.

[WFHermans]

Of course it's true, it's in the Talmud. Jahwe has so much respect for the Talmud he reads it standing up. That is written in the Talmud as well.

[Slavic Enforcer]

And once again a thread about Jews.. :rolleyes:

It seems some people are very fascinated by them.

[Keystone]

Of course it's true, it's in the Talmud. Jahwe has so much respect for the Talmud he reads it standing up. That is written in the Talmud as well.
ah, you are trying the sarcastic defense. Very well. How many jews do you know who study the Talmud?

[cerberus]

American members won't know who "Cilla Black" is.
In reply to Kid Kash - all you need now is "Cilla" shouting "Surprise Surprise" in reply to your comment on yet another Jewish thread.

[Basil Fawlty]

ah, you are trying the sarcastic defense. Very well. How many jews do you know who study the Talmud?What kind of a question is that? Surely the content is the substance of the discussion not how many yeshiva bokers he might know or not know. Basically every rabbi except Torah Jews, but even then they would be quite familiar with its contents.

A better question would be this: how many Jews have certain attitudes and behave in ways that are consistent with the teachings of the Talmud?

[cerberus]

Basil - I honestly don't know how you can be interested in Jews and their religion - to me nothing on this earth can be as boring.
Ireland never had a big jewish population .
No tricks or wise cracks but what got you interested in the jews as a religious group.
Honestly I am not drawing you into any corner - I just could never be interested in them from a religious point of view.

[Keystone]

What kind of a question is that? Surely the content is the substance of the discussion not how many yeshiva bokers he might know or not know. Basically every rabbi except Torah Jews, but even then they would be quite familiar with its contents.
My question was in the same spirit as his post...:D
A better question would be this: how many Jews have certain attitudes and behave in ways that are consistent with the teachings of the Talmud?
I don't know. How many do you suspect there are? How could you know?

Basil, aren't you one of the Holocaust enthusiasts that Fade talks about? Just keen on debating, but really no axe to grind?

[Basil Fawlty]

My question was in the same spirit as his post...:D Yes, I know, I just wanted to put that question. :p

I don't know. How many do you suspect there are? How could you know?Well, there are all sorts of ways of establishing that. For example, one can study the writings and statements of Mz Lipstadt and discover a great deal of Talmudic resonance - her declaration against mixed marriages for example, her declaring the Irving was Amalek. Similarly with Dershowitz and so on. Attitudes reveal themselves in words and behaviour. Come one, your a smart kind of guy, I don't need to explain this to you.
Basil, aren't you one of the Holocaust enthusiasts that Fade talks about? Just keen on debating, but really no axe to grind?Yes that's me. As I said earlier, my interest in the JQ was aroused by my discovery of the mythic nature of the core claims of the holocasut story.

[Basil Fawlty]

Basil - I honestly don't know how you can be interested in Jews and their religionI think it is obvious why they should be of interest. For good or for bad, they have played a fairly central role in western history, not least in the Christian religion which has its source in Judaism.
Ireland never had a big jewish population .Irrelevant. I don't subscribe to this kind of NIMBY-ism.
No tricks or wise cracks but what got you interested in the jews as a religious group.I explained that in my big post above. They are a nation with a religion, not a religion in the sense you imply.
Honestly I am not drawing you into any corner - I just could never be interested in them from a religious point of view.Then you will never understand them. In understanding anything, I think one should strive to see it in its own terms first.

[Keystone]

Well, there are all sorts of ways of establishing that. For example, one can study the writings and statements of Mz Lipstadt and discover a great deal of Talmudic resonance - her declaration against mixed marriages for example, her declaring the Irving was Amalek. Similarly with Dershowitz and so on. Attitudes reveal themselves in words and behaviour. Come one, your a smart kind of guy, I don't need to explain this to you.
I don't deny the ethnic Jewish distrust of gentiles. By no means. What I have a problem with is the idea of the Jewish "hive mind" entity so popular in the neo nutzie, WN circles: the very same effect they are going for. America is Jew Central, and they are intermarrying at a rate that makes the black-hatters sweat.
Yes that's me. As I said earlier, my interest in the JQ was aroused by my discovery of the mythic nature of the core claims of the holocasut story.
I've learned much from the revisionist point of view. There's a middle course, as always.

[Basil Fawlty]

I don't deny the ethnic Jewish distrust of gentiles. By no means. What I have a problem with is the idea of the Jewish "hive mind" entity so popular in the neo nutzie, WN circles: the very same effect they are going for. America is Jew Central, and they are intermarrying at a rate that makes the black-hatters sweat.The "hive mind" thing you mention is a characterisation of very well-documented Jewish traits (see WVR etc). Frankly I have no time for WNism which to my mind is little more than than a form of Talmudism (Weininger is good on this).

I am an ethnic nationalist and believe in preserving ethno-cultural identity against the internationalist mutli-cult which is little more than than the levelling down ideology of transnational capitalism.
I've learned much from the revisionist point of view. There's a middle course, as always.Interesting, such as?

[Fade the Butcher]

Basil - I honestly don't know how you can be interested in Jews and their religion

Neither does Alabama, for that matter. The problem with the Jews is that their influence extends far beyond their immediate locals.

[Fade the Butcher]

What I have a problem with is the idea of the Jewish "hive mind" entity so popular in the neo nutzie, WN circles: the very same effect they are going for.

There is no such thing as individual thought, Keystone.

[Scales]

Frankly I have no time for WNism which to my mind is little more than than a form of Talmudism (Weininger is good on this).
What aspects of WN would you see as being a form of Talmudism? Or alternatively, do you have a link?

[Fade the Butcher]

We should dispense with the loaded term "anti-Semitism" at the outset of this debate. I don't think many people here dislike Jews because they are Jews. That is nothing more than a propaganda ploy. I have never come across a racialist who doesn't have his reasons for disliking Jews. You never see racialists complaining about the inhabitants of Fiji or Mongolia. The reason for this is obvious. These people aren't doing anything that affects us or our society in any substantial way.

[Basil Fawlty]

What aspects of WN would you see as being a form of Talmudism? Or alternatively, do you have a link?The ethno-supremacist version of Wnism.

[Basil Fawlty]

We should dispense with the loaded term "anti-Semitism" at the outset of this debate. I don't think many people here dislike Jews because they are Jews. That is nothing more than a propaganda ploy. I have never come across a racialist who doesn't have his reasons for disliking Jews. You never see racialists complaining about the inhabitants of Fiji or Mongolia. The reason for this is obvious. These people aren't doing anything that affects us or our society in any substantial way.I'm always astonished that such things need to be pointed out.

[Keystone]

The "hive mind" thing you mention is a characterisation of very well-documented Jewish traits (see WVR etc). Frankly I have no time for WNism which to my mind is little more than than a form of Talmudism (Weininger is good on this).

I am an ethnic nationalist and believe in preserving ethno-cultural identity against the internationalist mutli-cult which is little more than than the levelling down ideology of transnational capitalism.
You're an Irishman, yes? It's a lot more difficult for us in America, who are mostly a mix of everything. We have to settle for generic "white". As in: "Things were a lot better when this county was white!"--- and so forth.
Interesting, such as?
Such as the 6 million figure is up for serious debate; there is scant evidence for homocidal gas chambers; the fantastic stories of geysers of blood and jews forced to ladle jewish fat over burning jews; the enormous fuel expended to render jews to ash in wartime, the tatoos when you're gonna be dead anyway, etc...

This is just a layman's discoveries.

[Basil Fawlty]

You're an Irishman, yes? It's a lot more difficult for us in America, who are mostly a mix of everything. We have to settle for generic "white". As in: "Things were a lot better when this county was white!"--- and so forth.Yes, I appreciate that. You are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Such as the 6 million figure is up for serious debate; there is scant evidence for homocidal gas chambers; the fantastic stories of geysers of blood and jews forced to ladle jewish fat over burning jews; the enormous fuel expended to render jews to ash in wartime, the tatoos when you're gonna be dead anyway, etc...

This is just a layman's discoveries.We would be pretty much on the same page so.

[Keystone]

Yes, I appreciate that. You are caught between a rock and a hard place.
That is why "White Nationalism" in the US is such a mess. Everyone knows (or guesses) that America was a more orderly place when it was 90% of European descent. The blacks were here and against their will, but even complete freedom hasn't satisfied them. As a whole, they resent us and that can't be remedied, as far as I can see.
We would be pretty much on the same page so.
Ya, well, I enjoy learning, even if it's verboten.

[Basil Fawlty]

That is why "White Nationalism" in the US is such a mess. Everyone knows (or guesses) that America was a more orderly place when it was 90% of European descent.If you weren't an Indian I suppose. The blacks were here and against their will, but even complete freedom hasn't satisfied them. As a whole, they resent us and that can't be remedied, as far as I can see.I can understand that. Manumission alone cannot bring freedom. It seems to me that they are hampered by the fact that they were never drawn into the civilisational project. You can't drag people out of Africa in a primitive state, bring them across the ocean in chains and put them to work, then announce that they are free. Later on only to express shock horror when they don't, on the whole, become fine upstanding men of culture and civilisation. One hundred and fortyish years is really not long at all in historical terms.

[Fade the Butcher]

The blacks were here and against their will, but even complete freedom hasn't satisfied them.

We don't need more negative freedom. That is something we have in abundance.

[Keystone]

If you weren't an Indian I suppose.
That is true, if you believe the stone-age paradise story. Indians killed and bothered each other plenty. You Euros never colonized anyone? Does America strike a chord?
I can understand that. Manumission alone cannot bring freedom. It seems to me that they are hampered by the fact that they were never drawn into the civilisational project. You can't drag people out of Africa in a primitive state, bring them across the ocean in chains and put them to work, then announce that they are free. Later on only to express shock horror when they don't, on the whole, become fine upstanding men of culture and civilisation. One hundred and fortyish years is really not long at all in historical terms.
That's plenty of time, brother.

[WFHermans]

This is why jews are special. Every year they solemnly declare that they are liars.

The Kol Nidre
By J B Campbell
JBC@wealthkeeper.net
11-30-3

The Kol Nidre is the holiest Jewish prayer and is recited several times on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. It means "all vows" and is a flat statement that no promise of any kind will be kept for the coming year. It is also sung by the cantor in synagogue, accompanied on the violin and goes like this:

"All vows, obligations, oaths or anathemas, pledges of all names, which we have vowed, sworn, devoted, or bound ourselves to, from this day of atonement, until the next day of atonement (whose arrival we hope for in happiness) we repent, aforehand, of them all, they shall all be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, void and made of no effect; they shall not be binding, nor have any power; the vows shall not be reckoned as vows, the obligations shall not be obligatory, nor the oaths considered as oaths."

"The Jazz Singer," the first talkie with Al Jolsen, describes the great devotion that Jews have for this "prayer." Jolsen plays a cantor's son who tries to break away from Jewish tradition but who in the end is drawn back to it, finally agreeing to sing the Kol Nidre on the great day. It is ironic that Hollywood's first motion picture with sound should have dealt with this explosive subject, even if the words were sung in Hebrew.

Can any person or people with this mentality be trusted? The Kol Nidre mentality is the underlying cause for all the anti-Jewish reaction by normal people down through the ages. Have we ever heard a renunciation of this "prayer" by any Jew - orthodox, reform or otherwise? In fact, how many of us are even aware of this subversive practice, this license to lie, which is glorified in a holy ritual every year?

Every Jew in a position of power, from Paul Wolfowitz to your judge, doctor or teacher, should be questioned on this subject. Jewish judges should be asked to recuse themselves on this grounds automatically. Only in this positive but defensive manner can we at this late date begin to take charge of our lives by denouncing the lie of "anti-Semitism" and confronting those whose practices are based on deception.

[Basil Fawlty]

That is true, if you believe the stone-age paradise story.Which I don't but so what? Indians killed and bothered each other plenty.And so? This sounds very familiar from closer to home, btw.You Euros never colonized anyone?You seem to be forgetting something about Irish history here.
That's plenty of time, brother.Its nothing.

[Starr]

ah, you are trying the sarcastic defense. Very well. How many jews do you know who study the Talmud?


I would guess that even among many Jews who do not avidly study the Talmud, there is still a belief in the words as truth contained in it. I don't really buy into the idea that the majority of jews are walking around actually believing that only they are human or that they can do whatever they want to us,etc. but I do think, it gets expressed in a possibly more subtle way and that they do believe they are special and that they do have to look out for themselves, as Jews, and their interests at the expense of others. This is not neccessarily a bad thing, in itself. But when it comes to them looking after their interests at the expense of us, this is something we have to be wise enough to be able to recognize.

As for the actual thread topic, I will just say I agree with Thomas777 for the most part.

[Fade the Butcher]

Tell me how black and white can get along in America and I'm all ears.

Nebraska doesn't have the same problem with blacks that Alabama does.

[Fade the Butcher]

End transfer payments affirmitive action and the war on drugs, "black people" will survive "niggers" will starve, od, or get killed by the cops in short order.

And people around here call me cruel!

[Donny the Punk]

I think Jews contribute more to the arts and sciences than any group in this thread, and are recognised for it with piles of Nobel prizes. :)

[Starr]

What I always find so amusing about niggers is that success, and proper behaviors are dirty words for them. As Chris Rock once joked about a nigger will get more respect from his homies if he just got out of jail rather than college. Blacks who have decent jobs, take care of their families and are not drugged out thuggish criminals are uncle toms or they are acting white,etc. If that doesn't speak of the mentality of the average nigger, I don't know what does.

Keystone is too racist for sulla's liking. lol:D The even more ironic part is that Keystone's "racial views"(sensible, not over the top "I hate niggers", but not "color blind" either) would be very similar I believe to the average white person, but the average white person would still call him a racist if confronted with such views in a public setting.

I think Jews contribute more to the arts and sciences than any group in this thread, and are recognised for it with piles of Nobel prizes.

Jews always recognize and exalt fellow members of the tribe.

[leondegrance]

The Jews are God. At least that is what many white nationalists seem to think. :)

[Ahknaton]

I think Jews contribute more to the arts and sciences than any group in this thread, and are recognised for it with piles of Nobel prizes. :)
Personally I think their contribution to society is still a net negative if you balance that against their tireless advocacy of third world immigration and other insanity. If I had to choose between Polio and living next door to Somali immigrants, I'll take my chances with Polio. You can have your vaccine back Dr Salk, now fuck off. :222:

[Starr]

If I had to choose between Polio and living next door to Somali immigrants, I'll take my chances with Polio

LOL. I have never lived next door to Somalis exactly, but close enough to know that I would rather have polio myself.

And besides, Somalis, disease, same thing.:222:

[Donny the Punk]

Jews always recognize and exalt fellow members of the tribe.
Oh yeah, I forgot, Jews control everything on earth. Their recognition had nothing to do with, say, discovering how to induce spontaenous gene mutations with X-rays or quantum mechanics (Pauli principle). Tell me, Starr, how many Jews were on the awards council when they gave the prize to Adolf von Baeyer in 1905 for chemistry? :rofl: You people are so pathetic.

[Donny the Punk]

Personally I think their contribution to society is still a net negative if you balance that against their tireless advocacy of third world immigration and other insanity. If I had to choose between Polio and living next door to Somali immigrants, I'll take my chances with Polio. You can have your vaccine back Dr Salk, now fuck off. :222:
"and other insanity" - how descriptive. Here's a fun game. Make me a list of all the people and groups who support 'third world immigration' and let's see what percentage are Jewish.

[Starr]

Oh yeah, I forgot, Jews control everything on earth.

If you are assuming I am one of those, you would be wrong. I am a GD kike-a-like and defender of the jews.:cool:

[Ahknaton]

"and other insanity" - how descriptive.
There's no need for a tedious enumeration of all the causes supported by liberal Jews, especially in a non-serious comment like that.
Here's a fun game. Make me a list of all the people and groups who support 'third world immigration' and let's see what percentage are Jewish.Actually that sounds like a boring game. And the topic is "Jews", not "the immigration lobby". Plenty of other groups support immigration, that doesn't make (overwhelming) Jewish support for mass immigration any less annoying. Show me another ethnic group that are as unanimous in their support for immigration as Jews are.

[Donny the Punk]

There's no need for a tedious enumeration of all the causes supported by liberal Jews, especially in a non-serious comment like that.
Of course there is, especially since I'm ignorant of this "insanity" you claim is so prevalent.


Actually that sounds like a boring game. And the topic is "Jews", not "the immigration lobby". Plenty of other groups support immigration, that doesn't make (overwhelming) Jewish support for mass immigration any less annoying. Show me another ethnic group that are as unanimous in their support for immigration as Jews are.
If you think I'm about to assume your crazy racist premises right off the bat, you're sorely mistaken. First demonstrate unanimous Jewish support for immigration, then we'll talk.

[Ahknaton]

Of course there is, especially since I'm ignorant of this "insanity" you claim is so prevalent.
Normalisation of homosexuality, "hate speech" legislation, Straussian neo-conservatism, race abolitionism, Boasian anthropology, radical environmental determinism etc etc.

Jewish support for/involvement in these causes/intellectual movements is not as pronounced as for mass immigration, but is still disproportionate to their numbers.
If you think I'm about to assume your crazy racist premises right off the bat, you're sorely mistaken. First demonstrate unanimous Jewish support for immigration, then we'll talk.
You might try reading Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique for starters. That also establishes Jewish preponderance in the insanity mentioned above.

If you can't be bothered with that, you might like to start here (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4605) for a good account of Jewish support for mass-immigration (written by a Jew).

[Donny the Punk]

Normalisation of homosexuality,
That would be homosexuals agitating for this one, along with social liberals, the majority of whom on this continent are white.

"hate speech" legislation,
This isn't insanity, but common sense. :p

Straussian neo-conservatism,
Whatever that is. :confused: This is the same old canard, Jews are responsible for international finance capitalism at the same time as they're responsible for Bolshevism at the same time as they're responsible for...

race abolitionism,
Whatever this means. :confused:

Boasian anthropology,
Rofl, I don't recall anyone putting a gun to your head and saying you needed to subscribe this school of social evolution. There are plenty of 19th C white racist scholars out there for the picking.

radical environmental determinism etc etc.
Whatever that means. :confused:

Jewish support for/involvement in these causes/intellectual movements is not as pronounced as for mass immigration, but is still disproportionate to their numbers.
Now that you've given us your list, how about some statistics demonstrating your assertions.

You might try reading Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique for starters. That also establishes Jewish preponderance in the insanity mentioned above.

If you can't be bothered with that, you might like to start here (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4605) for a good account of Jewish support for mass-immigration (written by a Jew).
I've read McDonald's laughable screed which (among other hysterical gems) posits that Nazi Germany was an attempt to emulate the social habits of German Jews. If he can't hack it as a historian, why he thinks he's fit to comment on cultural anthropology is beyond me. But perhaps that explains why no one's heard of his non-thesis outside of racist message boards. Oh wait, no, that's ZOG, sorry!

Like I said: statistics. A bitter article by a Jewish ex-patriate with such objective reporting as "If they turn away from their extreme immigration liberalism and help move America toward sensible immigration restrictions," isn't going to cut it. Without statistics, you've got nothing except your Jew-hating premises and innuendo, which is precisely where you started out when I asked you for proof.

[Dan Dare]

That would be homosexuals agitating for this one, along with social liberals, the majority of whom on this continent are white.

A Short-list of prominent Shirtlifters

Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis

Alan Klein -- co-founder of group ACT UP, co-founder of group Queer Nation, National Communications Director and chief spokesperson for the Gay & LesbianAlliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].* Klein also co-founded the successful multimedia campaign STOPDRLAURA.COM

Arnie Kantrowitz -- co-founder of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jonathan D. Katz-- founded and chairs the Harvey Milk Institute, the largest queer studies institute in the world.* A long time queer political activist, was a co-founder of Queer Nation, [the key San Francisco branch].

Harvey Fierstein -- film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay activist.

Moisés Kaufman -- playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman -- founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American Library Association], the world's first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug - Edward Koch -- both Jewish -- the first members of the U.S. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

Winnie Stachelberg -- political director, Human Rights Campaign [HRC]

Michael S. Aronowitz , The New York Log Cabin Republicans.

Tony Kushner -- gay activist; Tony and 1993 Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright [for Angels in America, 1992].

Len Hirsch -- president of the GLBT federal government employees group, GLOBE.

Meg Moritz, Ph.D . -- a Director and member of the Executive Committee of GLAAD.

Barbara Raab -- an NBC-TV producer; a "Jewish lesbian feminist journalist, writer."

Charles Kaiser [?] -- author & founding member of National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA].

David Goodstein -- owner/publisher of the gay magazine The Advocate [1975-1985]; co-founder of the National Gay Rights Lobby.

Judy Wieder -- Editor-in-chief, The Advocate gay magazine.

Alison Bechdel [?] -- cartoonist creator and author of the bi-weekly comic strip "Dykes to Watch Out For."

Kevin Koffler -- Editor-in-chief, Genre gay magazine.

Garrett Glaser -- National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA] national board member.

Ronald Gold -- reporter for Variety; a leader in the fight to overturn the American Psychiatric Association's policy that homosexuality is an illness.

Magnus Hirschfeld [d. 1935], early gay rights activist in Germany; founded one of the first gay rights organizations, the Scientific Humanitarian Committee; coined the term "transvestism"; fled Nazi Germany.

Fred Hochberg -- deputy administrator, U.S. Small Business Administration; co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign [HRC].

Michael Berman -- member, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors.

Mitchell Gold * -- HRC Board

Marty Lieberman -- HRC Board

Andy Linsky -- HRC Board

Dana Perlman -- HRC Board

Abby Rubenfeld -- HRC Board

Andrew Tobias -- HRC Board

Lara Schwartz -- Senior Counsel, HRC

Heather Wellman -- HRC Field Coordinator

Dan Furmansky -- HRC Senior Field Organizer, West

Sally Green -- HRC Associate Field Director

Rick Rosendall [?] -- President, Gay & Lesbian Activists Alliance of Washington, DC.

Barney Frank -- member of U.S. Congress; helped create non-discriminatory employment policies in all U.S. federal agencies

Kerry Lobel -- executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Robin Margolis , American coordinator of the Bi Women's Cultural Alliance and author [Bisexuality: A Practical Guide].

Evan Wolfson , Senior Staff Attorney, Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund -- and -- the executive director of Freedom to Marry.

Jennifer Einhorn -- Communications Director, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD]

Nancy Alpert [?] -- Treasurer, GLAAD

Judy Gluckstern -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.

Stephen M. Jacoby -- Board of Directors, GLAAD.


Matt Riklin -- Board, GLAAD


Carol Rosenfeld -- Board, GLAAD.

William Weinberger -- Board, GLAAD

Tanya Wexler -- Board, GLAAD.

David Huebner -- GLAAD Counsel.

Richard Goldstein -- Village Voice writer on gay culture and politics

Ron Schlittler -- Director of Field & Policy, Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays [PFLAG].

Craig Ziskin -- Deputy Director of Development, PFLAG.

Debra Weill -- Senior Field & Policy Coordinator, PFLAG.

Dody Goldstein -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

David Horowitz -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Shawn Frank -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Leon Weinstein -- Chair, Nominating Committee, PFLAG.

Kate Kendell [?], National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Gayle Rubin -- lesbian author/activist.

Hilary Rosen -- a founding member of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund; former board co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign.

Roz Richter, American attorney and activist.

Bob Kunst -- long-time activist in gay and Jewish causes.


"Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network" [GLSEN]. Board co-chairs: Marty Seldman , president.

"National Gay & Lesbian Task Force" [NGLTF]. Board co-chairs: .....* Rachel Rosen in Santa Fe, N.M

Dave Fleischer -- Director of Training [political training], NGLTF.

Craig Hoffman -- Board of Directors, NGLTF.

Beth Zemsky -- Board, NGLTF.

Marsha C. Botzer * -- Treasurer, NGLTF.

Jeff Levi -- first, Levi was NGTF's lobbyist, early 1980s [NGTF became NGLTF in 1985]. Later, he was NGLTF executive director.

Bill Rubenstein , J.D. '86, developed the ACLU Lesbian and Gay Rights Project

Martin Duberman -- author/historian; founded the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies at the City University of New York.

Ben Schatz '81, J.D. '85, is executive director of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Foundation.

Kevin Schaub , American; Executive Director and Dean of the Harvey Milk Institute in San Francisco, the world's largest center for queer studies.

Sarah Schulman [1958- ], American playwright, novelist, and activist [one of the founders of the Lesbian Avengers, a direct-action lesbian rights organization].

Susan Spielman -- principal/head of Common Ground, an education/consulting firm specializing in workplace sexual orientation education; her company has worked with hundreds of U.S. organizations, helping them to implement domestic partner benefits plans; co-author of the book Straight Talk About Gays in the Workplace.

Gertrude Stein -- wrote the first openly lesbian novel, "Q.E.D.," in 1903, but it was only published posthumously in 1950.

Rikki Streicher (1925-1994), American activist and Businesswoman.

Michael Goff -- founded Out magazine in 1992.

Paulette Goodman -- founder of local chapter [Washington D.C.] of PFLAG and served as President of the National PFLAG organization from 1988-1992.

Jeffrey Newman , American, president and COO of the Gay Financial Network; president and CEO of out.com.

Jim Levin -- New York gay historian.

Barrett Brick -- GLAA [Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance] Treasurer.

Robin Tyler -- American comedian [born Arlene Chernick] who was the first openly gay comic in North America; Tyler is also an activist who was the stage producer for the first three gay marches on Washington and the national protest coordinator for the "Stop Dr. Laura" campaign; she produces women's comedy and music festivals, and operates a lesbian travel-tour company.

Dr. Bruce Voeller [1935?-1994] [?] American gay rights activist, molecular biologist, physiologist, and AIDS researcher (pioneer in the use of nonoxynol-9 as a spermicide); cofounder and first executive director of the National Gay Task Force; creator of the Mariposa Foundation [an AIDS prevention research organization].

Mark Elderkin [?] -- co-founded Gay.com.

Leroy Aarons -- American professor, journalist, and founder of the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists Association (1990).

Dr. Donald I. Abrams -- American physician, HIV expert, medical marijuana researcher, and past president of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.

Johnny Abush (1952-2000) -- [Canadian]; archivist of the International Jewish GBLT Archives.

Roberta Achtenberg [1950- ]; civil rights lawyer and federal official; appointed as Assistant Secretary for Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity by President Bill Clinton in 1993.

Miriam Ben-Shalom [1948- ], American Army Reserves drill sergeant and gay activist; in 1986 she won a ten-year legal battle with the Reserves when a court ordered her reinstatement; founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Veterans Association [GLBVA] in 1990, serving as its first president.

Larry Brinkin , American gay activist who brought the first domestic partnership lawsuit [against Southern Pacific Railroad, 1982].

Rob Eichberg , American psychologist, co-creator of National Coming Out Day [October 11th].

Scott Evertz , American; in April 2001, President Bush appointed him to serve as the Director of the White House Office of National AIDS Policy [ONAP].

Gene Falk [?, Jewish name], American business executive; Senior Vice President of the Showtime Digital Media Group; part of the team that launched and marketed the U.S. TV series Queer as Folk; Chair of the Board of Directors of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Surina Kahn -- American lesbian activist.

Larry Kessler -- founding director in 1983 of the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, the largest AIDS support organization in New England.

Kathy Levinson -- American investor and philanthropist; serves on the board of PlanetOut; also on NGLTF Board of Directors.

Judith Light -- actress, activist for gay causes.

David Mixner -- gay activist, political consultant; co-founder of the Municipal Elections Committee of Los Angeles [MECLA], a group of wealthy gays and lesbians who became influential in local politics; president Bill Clinton's Special Liaison to the Gay-Lesbian Community.

Dan Savage -- American author of gay-themed books [The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant; Skipping Towards Gomorrah: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Pursuit of Happiness in America] and gay-themed- sex-advice columnist [Savage Love].

Susan Schuman , American executive vice-president and general manager of the Planet Out gay and lesbian online service.

Scott Seomin , American entertainment media coordinator for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jason Serinus [Jay Guy Nassberg] -- founder and coordinator of the Lavender Healing Network; a former gay activist with the New York chapter of the Gay Liberation Front.

David Sine [?] -- American CEO of C1TV, the first U.S. gay and lesbian cable TV network.

Rex Wockner -- longtime gay, American journalist who has reported news for the gay press since 1985.

Jack Fritscher -- became Editor in Chief of Drummer gay magazine [1977].

Leslie Feinberg [1949- ], American trade unionist, transgender activist and author [Transgender Warriors: Making History from Joan of Arc to RuPaul].

Allan Ginsburg - late Jewish poet and leading member of North American Man Boy Lovers Association

[Donny the Punk]

Thanks for the copy and paste, it's not a statistic, though. :p If that's taken to be a portion of all Jews, it's pitifully small. If it's taken to be a portion of the number of gay rights activists, what is that number?

[Starr]

Common sense would say if multiculturalism was so grand there would not be much of a need for ever increasing and insane hate speech codes and laws. And in a society where everyone is supposed to be "equal" under the law, when was the last time you heard about anyone but a white person being charged with a hate crime or under some crazy hate speech type law, unless possibly the "minority's" offense was against another special protected person?

To me it would seem all anti-hate laws are really accomplishing is to add more fuel to the fire and piss off white people even more.

[Sulla the Dictator]

LMAO!

What the hell is this:

Roz Richter, American attorney and activist.

[Ahknaton]

That would be homosexuals agitating for this one, along with social liberals, the majority of whom on this continent are white.
See Dan Dare's post.
This isn't insanity, but common sense. :p
Free speech etc etc. Not going to get into this tired argument with you.
Whatever that is. :confused: This is the same old canard, Jews are responsible for international finance capitalism at the same time as they're responsible for Bolshevism at the same time as they're responsible for...You've never heard of neo-conservatism?
Whatever this means. :confused:
It's pretty obvious what it means if you understand the meaning of the words "race" and "abolitionism".
Rofl, I don't recall anyone putting a gun to your head and saying you needed to subscribe this school of social evolution. There are plenty of 19th C white racist scholars out there for the picking.
I don't subscribe to that theory. But it had considerable force inside academia before it was basically debunked, and this had a significant effect on the intellectual atmosphere that shaped social policies in many Western countries, so it still effects me. (See McDonald for more info)
Whatever that means. :confused:
It's the branch of psychology that ascribes differences in mental ability, criminality etc to environmental causes (e.g. poverty) while downplaying genetic factors. Hey, at least your learning something here. :rolleyes:
Now that you've given us your list, how about some statistics demonstrating your assertions.
This is really tiresome. Are you seriously contending that Jews are no more liberal than the White Gentile population as a whole? Seriously? Why should I have to provide "statistics" to prove something like that? It's just fucking obvious.

Nevertheless:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=11671

If American Jews are tacking to the right, nobody told them.

That is the finding of a national public opinion study released last week.

This contradicts the assertion made in recent years by conservative members of the Jewish community that American Jews had adopted more conservative views and started to drift away from their long tradition of liberalism.

In another area, immigration, a critical issue to Hispanic-Americans, the Jewish response was closer to the Hispanics’ than to the answers of whites or African-Americans. Fifty-one percent of Hispanics and 57 percent of Jews said “legal immigration makes America stronger,” higher than the figure for whites and African-Americans, and fewer Jews or Hispanics agreed that “immigrants take jobs away from Americans.”

Again, Steinman said, not surprising.

“Jews have benefited from liberal attitudes toward immigration,” she said, “and we remember that it’s part of the Jewish tradition to welcome the stranger.”

The Jewish response to the study broke with the minority communities in only one area — affirmative action.
It's really hilarious that you're playing uber-skeptic with me over this. It's transparently obvious that you're only doing it because I'm a racist and you don't want to concede a point to me, no matter how jaw-droppingly obvious it is.

I've read McDonald's laughable screed which (among other hysterical gems) posits that Nazi Germany was an attempt to emulate the social habits of German Jews. If he can't hack it as a historian, why he thinks he's fit to comment on cultural anthropology is beyond me. But perhaps that explains why no one's heard of his non-thesis outside of racist message boards. Oh wait, no, that's ZOG, sorry!
You're going off on a tangent here. In any case, I have no desire to get into a long and drawn out argument with your debating the obvious.

Without statistics, you've got nothing except your Jew-hating premises and innuendo, which is precisely where you started out when I asked you for proof.Oh dear, I'm a "Jew-hater" for pointing out that Jews are more liberal than Whites (significantly). I support self-determination for Jews in Israel, and Israel's right to exist and defend itself. Strictly speaking, that makes me a "Zionist". But why should I pull punches over the destructive political influence of Jews in Western liberal democracies? There might be a few "good Jews", but they're a net negative as far as I'm concerned.

[Dan Dare]

Are you kidding me?

Everybody knows Roz Richter. Here with her best mate Harvey Fierstein.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2003/02/24/StewartandHarveyFierstein.jpg

[Sulla the Dictator]

Are you kidding me?

Everybody knows Roz Richter. Here with her best mate Harvey Fierstein.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2003/02/24/StewartandHarveyFierstein.jpg


Thats Rod Stewart.

[Dan Dare]

Thats Rod Stewart.

It is?

Bloody Google, no more use than a chocolate teapot.

[sugartits]

HA! That's almost as funny as Woody Allen.

[Donny the Punk]

See Dan Dare's post.
See my reply to Dan Dare's post.

Free speech etc etc. Not going to get into this tired argument with you.
Incitement to racial violence, etc. etc.

You've never heard of neo-conservatism?
Not the "Straussian" vein, whatever that is. But I'm sure it's right alongside all the other 300 competing and conflicting ideologies invented by Jews to destroy gentile society.

It's pretty obvious what it means if you understand the meaning of the words "race" and "abolitionism".
Not really. Is this miscegination? Affirmative action? Anti-raism campaigns? Sorry, but I don't pay attention to your little cliques or the causes they oppose.

I don't subscribe to that theory. But it had considerable force inside academia before it was basically debunked, and this had a significant effect on the intellectual atmosphere that shaped social policies in many Western countries, so it still effects me. (See McDonald for more info)
Aristotle's empiricist scientific method had a significant effect on European science until Galileo came along and debunked it 2,000 years later. Anti-white conspiracy ZOMGLOL.

It's the branch of psychology that ascribes differences in mental ability, criminality etc to environmental causes (e.g. poverty) while downplaying genetic factors. Hey, at least your learning something here. :rolleyes:
Sulla's fond of quoting the street gangs of Republican Rome to answer this. I'll extend him the courtesy, if he's keen. :p

This is really tiresome. Are you seriously contending that Jews are no more liberal than the White Gentile population as a whole? Seriously? Why should I have to provide "statistics" to prove something like that? It's just fucking obvious.

Nevertheless:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=11671


It's really hilarious that you're playing uber-skeptic with me over this. It's transparently obvious that you're only doing it because I'm a racist and you don't want to concede a point to me, no matter how jaw-droppingly obvious it is.
Oh I see, we've moved from "near-unanimity" to 57%. Gee. I think the conclusions of that are pretty "jaw-droppingly obvious."

Oh dear, I'm a "Jew-hater" for pointing out that Jews are more liberal than Whites (significantly). I support self-determination for Jews in Israel, and Israel's right to exist and defend itself. Strictly speaking, that makes me a "Zionist". But why should I pull punches over the destructive political influence of Jews in Western liberal democracies? There might be a few "good Jews", but they're a net negative as far as I'm concerned.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it's not even dirty. :nono:

[Ahknaton]

Incitement to racial violence, etc. etc.
Doesn't seem to ever cover "kill whitey" rap lyrics. And hate speech laws are vulnerable to creative reinterpretation by special interest groups, for example the Victorian Christian minister who was prosecuted under anti-religious-vilification laws for quoting unflattering verses from the Koran.
Not the "Straussian" vein, whatever that is. But I'm sure it's right alongside all the other 300 competing and conflicting ideologies invented by Jews to destroy gentile society.
Don't mischaracterise my point of view. I don't attribute a malicious intent to any and all Jewish political activity. I just observe it's negative outcomes. I think that most Jewish political activism is done out of misplaced idealism and belief that they're improving society "for our own good", or else sincere belief that they are acting out of legitimate self-defence against crazed anti-Semitic goys. I think it's fair to characterise a political movement such as neo-conservatism as Jewish in origin if the major players (especially its intellectual founding founders) are overwhelmingly Jewish, and if it arises from a Jewish political/cultural context (e.g. diaspora Jews influenced by their parent's Marxism trying to co-opt conservatism to serve their aims of "global democratic revolution").
Not really. Is this miscegination? Affirmative action? Anti-raism campaigns? Sorry, but I don't pay attention to your little cliques or the causes they oppose.
The hell you don't. Race-abolitionism is the explicit advocacy of the abolition of the White race.
Aristotle's empiricist scientific method had a significant effect on European science until Galileo came along 2,000 years later. Anti-white conspiracy ZOMGLOL.You are mischaracterising MacDonald's thesis. Same old yadda yadda. Dismiss any criticism of Jews as a crazy conspiracy theory. Most of McDonald's statements about Jewish ethnic networking and ideological/political inclination are no more outlandish than suggesting that White males advance each other through a "good ole boy's network" or that Southern Americans are more likely to be racist than their Northern counterparts.
Oh I see, we've moved from "near-unanimity" to 57%. Gee. I think the conclusions of that are pretty "jaw-droppingly obvious."Why is "near-unanimity" in quotation marks?

That 57% is only the statistic of agreement with one particular statement. Also, pay attention to the conclusions drawn from the figures by members of the Jewish community (who agree with me). The article supports my assertion that Jews are significantly more liberal than Whites, and no amount of thrashing around on your part is going to avoid it. Why would you deny such an obvious fact, that is acknowledged (and usually given a positive spin) even by Jews themselves? You may wish to research the history of the 1965 Immigration Act in America for a particularly blatant act of Jewish pro-immigration lobbying, or read up on the role of the Jewish community in Australia in opposing the "White Australia" policy and promoting multiculturalism.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it's not even dirty. :nono:
Jews: guilty as charged :222:

[Basil Fawlty]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ahknaton again.

[Petr]

Whatever that is. :confused: This is the same old canard, Jews are responsible for international finance capitalism at the same time as they're responsible for Bolshevism at the same time as they're responsible for...
Empty evasion. Let's see what Forward thinks about neo-conservatism, that is hardly an anti-Semitic source:

http://www.forward.com/articles/7102


The Neoconservative Persuasion

Examining the Jewish Roots of an Intellectual Movement

By Gal Beckerman
January 6, 2006

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The Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish Intellectuals and the Shaping of Public Policy
By Murray Friedman
Cambridge University Press, 310 pages, $29.

Commentary in American Life
Edited by Murray Friedman
Temple University Press, 232 pages, $22.95.

The Neocon Reader
Edited and with an introduction by Irwin Seltzer
Grove Press, 320 pages, $15.

---------------------------------------------

Acknowledging the Jewishness of neoconservatism has always triggered the red, flashing lights of antisemitism, especially since the start of the Iraq War (with extra points if it's Pat Buchanan doing the acknowledging). But there is some truth to the suspicion. If there is an intellectual movement in America to whose invention Jews can lay sole claim, neoconservatism is it. It's a thought one imagines most American Jews, overwhelmingly liberal, will find horrifying. And yet it is a fact that as a political philosophy, neoconservatism was born among the children of Jewish immigrants and is now largely the intellectual domain of those immigrants' grandchildren. Understanding what might be Jewish about this movement (or "persuasion" as its godfather, Irving Kristol, prefers it be called) should be possible without being accused of conspiracy theorizing about secret cabals pulling strings for Israel.

...



Petr

[Die]

The jews are responsible for mutilating penises. If they stop doing this they will become as respectable as eskimos, as proud as pygmies, nothing short of human beings, and I can let them live in peace on my planet.

[WFHermans]

Randy Rabbi Reels

By DAVID HAFETZ and JEANE MacINTOSH of the New York Post, March 5:

Details of allegations by eight more female accusers have surfaced in the explosive sex scandal surrounding Mordechai Tendler, the Rockland County rabbi who allegedly called himself the Messiah to bed a synagogue member.

The women claim the disgraced holy man demanded sexual favors and made bizarre passes - all while offering them spiritual and marital guidance.

Tendler, scion of a preeminent Orthodox family, allegedly paid off one woman after an affair, advised another to have sex with him to "forget her problems," and begged a mother of five to let him bathe her.

Batye Seigel told The Post that as her marriage crumbled in the early '90s, she confided in Tendler, who she believed could help her obtain a "get," a Jewish divorce decree.

But during meetings, Tendler began "hitting on me, big time . . . He would always close the door and lock it - that is forbidden by Jewish law," Seigel said.

Gillian Sinclair, a former member of Tendler's shul, said she talked to the Rabbinical Council of America - which eventually expelled Tendler - "not to destroy a man or his family but to stop the abuse that was going on."

"He's calling, wanting to see me, wanting to come over, offering to bathe me," she said. "I couldn't say what I'd say to any other man pressuring me in that kind of situation - the rabbi was in a position of power."

New details of the embattled New Hempstead rabbi's alleged sexual escapades with women who came to him with marital and spiritual problems were made available to The Post through notes from an investigation that eventually led to Tendler's expulsion from the Rabbinical Council of America.

The prestigious group of 1,000 rabbis tossed Tendler last March, but has not publicly described the women's complaints, which were confirmed for The Post by two sources familiar with the council's investigation.

The women described Tendler, a father of eight, as a charismatic manipulator who offered counseling, but demanded sexual favors.

He allegedly rubbed up against one woman who sought advice, stalked another who displeased him, and asked a teenager to show him a bruise she had on her thigh. Some of the eight women said Tendler threatened and ostracized them if they refused him.

The jews had this story pulled from http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64732.htm

[Sulla the Dictator]

These days, the designation "neocon" has been almost completely unmoored from its ideological source. In the mouths of liberals, it's come to mean little more than "really, really bad Republican," and in the mouths of conservatives, it's anyone who's still a true believer in the Iraq War. But this denies the term its complicated evolution.


Thats how you people use it. You misuse the phrase as stated in the piece you linked, Petr.

[Fade the Butcher]

Thats how you people use it. You misuse the phrase as stated in the piece you linked, Petr.

The term neoconservatism was not invented by critics of neoconservatism.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The term neoconservatism was not invented by critics of neoconservatism.

The misuse of the phrase is done by critics of neoconservatism. It is a lie to suggest that I'm a neoconservative, which you have done often.

[Donny the Punk]

Doesn't seem to ever cover "kill whitey" rap lyrics. And hate speech laws are vulnerable to creative reinterpretation by special interest groups, for example the Victorian Christian minister who was prosecuted under anti-religious-vilification laws for quoting unflattering verses from the Koran.
Judicial overweening does not invalidate the principle upon which law is writ. Were that the case, we'd have to scrap the entire legal system. One instance of misapplication is not a carte blanche for hundreds or thousands of racists to rant about "the day of the rope" from their soapboxes, terrorising and intimidating their better and more civilised fellow-citizens.

Don't mischaracterise my point of view. I don't attribute a malicious intent to any and all Jewish political activity. I just observe it's negative outcomes. I think that most Jewish political activism is done out of misplaced idealism and belief that they're improving society "for our own good", or else sincere belief that they are acting out of legitimate self-defence against crazed anti-Semitic goys. I think it's fair to characterise a political movement such as neo-conservatism as Jewish in origin if the major players (especially its intellectual founding founders) are overwhelmingly Jewish, and if it arises from a Jewish political/cultural context (e.g. diaspora Jews influenced by their parent's Marxism trying to co-opt conservatism to serve their aims of "global democratic revolution").
As fair as it is to characterise Nazism or New Imperialism as being caucasian in origin. Would you like to compare the merits of both sides and decide based on that who should be kicked out of the country?

The hell you don't. Race-abolitionism is the explicit advocacy of the abolition of the White race.
Flatter yourself if you like, but I really couldn't care less. :p Far from obsessing over the "Judenfrage" or the assorted anti-racist action groups around, I prefer to live my life as a normal human being. You're still being vague, though. Do you mean genocide?

You are mischaracterising MacDonald's thesis. Same old yadda yadda. Dismiss any criticism of Jews as a crazy conspiracy theory. Most of McDonald's statements about Jewish ethnic networking and ideological/political inclination are no more outlandish than suggesting that White males advance each other through a "good ole boy's network" or that Southern Americans are more likely to be racist than their Northern counterparts.
I am characterising YOUR thesis. It was you who brought up the point about Franz Boas, and not me or McDonald. The negative scientific influence Aristotle had on western science for two millennia was and is far more profound than anything any of your so-loathed Jews have created. Address THAT, your willingness to look one way for Europeans but not for Jews.

Why is "near-unanimity" in quotation marks?
You're right, I was being too kind. "Show me another ethnic group that are as unanimous in their support for immigration as Jews are." -Ahknaton. So sorry. I guess that moves us from simply "unanimous" to just over 50%. Care to comment or is your foot stuck too far back in your mouth?

That 57% is only the statistic of agreement with one particular statement. Also, pay attention to the conclusions drawn from the figures by members of the Jewish community (who agree with me). The article supports my assertion that Jews are significantly more liberal than Whites, and no amount of thrashing around on your part is going to avoid it. Why would you deny such an obvious fact, that is acknowledged (and usually given a positive spin) even by Jews themselves? You may wish to research the history of the 1965 Immigration Act in America for a particularly blatant act of Jewish pro-immigration lobbying, or read up on the role of the Jewish community in Australia in opposing the "White Australia" policy and promoting multiculturalism.
I asked for above, and never got, statistical proof of this disproportionate Jewish agitation for 'third world immigration' (an ultimately loaded and stupid term which renders the entire debate meaningless) in relation to its total supporters. So far none of you have been able to provide it. America is a very conservative country; I'm sure Canadian whites are more supportive of immigration than American whites, which tells any reasonable person that the connexion isn't racial. Interesting that the report you linked to has no statistics for caucasian support for immigration, and yet in nearly every other field, they trail Jews in support by nothing significant. If Jews are to be extirpated for having 50%+ support for liberal policies, why not whites with 40%+? A liberal and a Jew aren't the same thing, sorry.


Jews: guilty as charged :222:
Racists: boring as ever.

[Hakluyt]

The Jews are God. At least that is what many white nationalists seem to think. :)
Or, as Petr put it, Invincible Cthulhu-Gods.

Criticism of the Jews for their liberalism in an academic sense is perfectly rational, but to mould this into a political movement or any kind of focused -ism is absolutely pointless

Antisemites: what are your objectives? Why not simply work toward discrediting the ideas Jews tend to promote, discrediting those who subscribe to them by default? If the people understand his interests are opposed to their own on an abstract plane first, what is gained by finger-pointing and fussing about the statistics?

[leondegrance]

A couple of gems on Stormfront, amidst all of the fruitloops.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=274773&page=48

Yes, I'm with you sir, I for one wont be a yes man for anyone in this movement or have someone Jew bate me into agreeing with their position.

The problem is US Look in the mirror and you'll see the problem.

We've done it to ourselves, you choose to watch the tv, you choose to go to your n***** ball games, you choose to worship at the alter of Religion that tells you to love your enemy and that the meak shall inherit the earth, you choose to become a race traitor, you choose to accept and buy into the theories of multiculturalism and diversity.

and indeed White populations have made their choices known to the world.

All I hear from so many people on here is the Jews this and the Jews that, go back and listen to DR. WILLIAM PIERCE'S audio archives about why we are where we are today, he lays the responsibility on us, the White community as a whole for buying into all this garbage you see today surrounding you. I'm done blamming the Jews for everything, it's rediculous we've done it to ourselves people.

1. Cowardice
2. Treason
3. Acceptance of Egalitarianism
4. N***** worship
5. Our Moral Decadance
6. The embracement of Multiculturalism
7. The embracement of Diversity
8. MTV
9. McDonalds
10. Rap Music

Whites embrace this **** all over the world and they've chosen to do so!

We need to start cleaning up our own house, before we can even begin to worry about 2% of the population - a 2% that alot of you make into invincible Supermen.

Good go blame everything on the Jews, I forgot we're not really responsibile for our actions anymore anyway!

So we shouldnt blame the White elite for anything - even though all the big Fortune 500's are Aryan owned?

If everything on my list is Jewish Propaganda than we must have a real addictive taste for it because 90% of the Whites I see everyday act like a bunch of Jews.


Its like blamming Rap music for your kid acting like a N*****, rather than your bad parenting or facing the fact that your own kid is mentally disturbed.

[Dan Dare]

...Antisemites: what are your objectives? Why not simply work toward discrediting the ideas Jews tend to promote, discrediting those who subscribe to them by default? If the people understand his interests are opposed to their own on an abstract plane first, what is gained by finger-pointing and fussing about the statistics?

I agree with you. There is no value in Naming the Jew. Those who need to already know the score; the knowledge should be passed on in the same way our ancestors did, around the hearth, with good friends, kith and kin. This is not a message that lends itself to being broadcast.

[Starr]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...274773&page=48
Now that was a great post.

[leondegrance]

Now that was a great post.

I don't believe Franco-furter would agree. :D

[Starr]

I don't believe Franco-furter would agree. :D


Only a jew would say these things of course.:nono: Most who read posts like that and yell, Jew are most likely just pissed because they know it is true.

It is similar to one black telling another to take responsibility for his own life and to quit blaming whitey. Uncle tom! sellout!etc.

[Hakluyt]

Not the "Straussian" vein, whatever that is.
Where'd you go to university? Calgary is chock full of self-proclaimed Straussians, you'd have to have come into contact with them at some point. The Reform movement was heavily influenced by Strauss.

But myself, as a defender of multiculturalism and the welfare state, in this case I guess to be a proper antisemite I'd have to lament the Jews for free marketism and social conservatism...........

[Donny the Punk]

Where'd you go to university? Calgary is chock full of self-proclaimed Straussians, you'd have to have come into contact with them at some point. The Reform movement was heavily influenced by Strauss.

But myself, as a defender of multiculturalism and the welfare state, in this case I guess to be a proper antisemite I have to lament the Jews for free marketism and social conservatism...........
U of A, and I quit poli sci after the first week of vacuous pomp. :P

[Fade the Butcher]

But myself, as a defender of multiculturalism and the welfare state, in this case I guess to be a proper antisemite I'd have to lament the Jews for free marketism and social conservatism...........

When did you become a multiculturalist?

[Fade the Butcher]

U of A, and I quit poli sci after the first week of vacuous pomp. :P

Try not to strain your brain with all that memorization.

[Donny the Punk]

Try not to strain your brain with all that memorization.
Could anyone tell me what this means? :confused:

[Fade the Butcher]

Antisemites: what are your objectives?

The object of the antisemites is to curtail Jewish influence in their society.

Why not simply work toward discrediting the ideas Jews tend to promote, discrediting those who subscribe to them by default?

You don't reason with your enemies.

[Donny the Punk]

You don't reason with your enemies.
No, you just type them to death on internet message boards. :rofl:

[Ahknaton]

I never thought I'd say this, but holy shit, TGM is right about this place! :222:

I'll post a more serious and complete reply later on when I'm not at work, but in the meantime let me just say that I agree that it's not productive to obsess about Jews and make opposition to them the centrepiece of the WN movement (or whatever you want to call it), but criticism of Jews in an academic sense is necessary, and this requires "fussing over stastics" in order to give the conclusions any kind of objective weight (as opposed to being just someone's opinion). It's not good enough to promote racialism by attacking generic "liberals" (although that is certainly necessary), because the liberal tendencies of Jews stems from collective group interests that conflict with White Gentiles (and need to be addressed before they can be resolved) which makes Jewish liberalism qualitatively different to White liberalism. Since the recognition of ethnic "group interests" and the defence of them is integral to a racialist worldview, why would any racialist go out of their way to play down group interests when it comes to the question of Jewish support for immigration? I can understand the need for pragmatism and circumspection about "naming the Jew" when presenting ideas to the general public, but we're talking about posts on a message board here.

I attribute liberal attitudes in the West to Jews in proportion to Jewish influence. Since that influence is disproportionate, I think it's justifiable to give disproportionate attention to it. In addition, I find that making fairly pedestrian claims about Jews (as I have done on this thread) seems to run into stubborn resistance and dishonest counterarguments in a way that making similar statements or generalisations about Whites (liberals or conservative) wouldn't, so it is necessary to labour the point more strenuously in order to get the conversation within coo-ee of reality, thereby inevitably creating more heat and light around the JQ.

It's funny that everyone agrees that "academic" discussions of Jewish influence are necessary "when appropriate", but in practise it seems that anyone who sticks to their guns regarding Jewish influence gets labelled an "anti-Semite" or someone obsessed with the Jewish Question to the exclusion of everything else.

[Fade the Butcher]

No, you just type them to death on internet message boards. :rofl:

Violence can just as easily be intellectual as physical. In fact, physical violence is often inspired by the former.

[Hakluyt]

I agree with you. There is no value in Naming the Jew. Those who need to already know the score; the knowledge should be passed on in the same way our ancestors did, around the hearth, with good friends, kith and kin. This is not a message that lends itself to being broadcast.
As for Faye's analogy at the Amren conference: the Jews are a scatter of bulletholes in the dyke - right next to the numerous canon-ball sized penetrations resulting from rebellious Gentile fire.

[Donny the Punk]

Violence can just as easily be intellectual as physical. In fact, physical violence is often inspired by the former.
If your nutty racist clique had any intellectual leverage, perhaps someone might pay attention to what you have to say. As it is, your vociferous extremism turns more people away from your beliefs toward support of minorities than are converted by it, reducing the 'violence' you inflict to nil. In thirty years, you'll all be Glenn Millers, being attacked by the younger generation of morbid weirdos for "inflicting violence upon the Jew!" and hurting the cause. This 'movement' is so dysfunctional it needs protecting from its own allies.

So to sum up, the amount of violence you inflict is directly proportionate to the amount of concern the average person pays attention to it, which is shrinking constantly. Secondly, neither you nor anyone on this board save perhaps Glenn Miller has had any genuine pretentions of 'attacking the enemy,' so save it for the wide-eyed and gullible neophytes who show up daily, not me. When you're on a forum, or indeed any written medium, all that counts is your ideas, and so far yours count for nothing in the real world.

[Fade the Butcher]

Could anyone tell me what this means? :confused:

I was taking a shot at historians. :)

[Hakluyt]

When did you become a multiculturalist?
It's a matter of semantics and opportunism- support for the preservation of ethno-specific identities and political separation on that basis, grounded in a belief that particularism is itself a universalist principle. I don't want mass migration in the first place, as ever, but it's by far the better policy to have when confronted with their presence de facto, contrasted with the French and American models. My views on multiculturalism are most closely represented by Alain de Benoist.

You don't reason with your enemies.
I would suggest not reasoning with anyone on a group level (except ourselves) but rather battling it out in the realm of ideas. Neutralise their cohesion and influence with a strong foundation opposed to their politics. Is that impossible within the current power structure? I dont see a reason to assume so

[Hakluyt]

criticism of Jews in an academic sense is necessary, and this requires "fussing over stastics" in order to give the conclusions any kind of objective weight (as opposed to being just someone's opinion).
By that I meant making a spectacle of the issue. Academic study is what lends objective weight (so long as its actually a field of study, not just one persons view, in which case we've got a much more serious problem), mass opinion would be subjective and emotional (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that).

It's not good enough to promote racialism by attacking generic "liberals" (although that is certainly necessary), because the liberal tendencies of Jews stems from collective group interests that conflict with White Gentiles (and need to be addressed before they can be resolved) which makes Jewish liberalism qualitatively different to White liberalism. Since the recognition of ethnic "group interests" and the defence of them is integral to a racialist worldview, why would any racialist go out of their way to play down group interests when it comes to the question of Jewish support for immigration? I can understand the need for pragmatism and circumspection about "naming the Jew" when presenting ideas to the general public, but we're talking about posts on a message board here.
We should play down group interests because it's not essential to our strategy. The ideas they employ are hardly unique to them, nor do most originate from them (at any rate the ones which do no longer belong to them strictly); their interests can be defeated on our terms without direct conflict.

I suppose what needs to be explained is why that extra layer of conflict is necessary.

[Ahknaton]

I suppose what needs to be explained is why that extra layer of conflict is necessary.I defend the notion that Jews were disproportionately involved in lobbying for immigration into Western countries because it's a fact. No further justification required. I don't think you can come to a coherent understanding of the issue without acknowledging it.

[Hakluyt]

I would simply respond that the damage is done. What do we do next?

[Ahknaton]

I would simply respond that the damage is done. What do we do next?
We need to attack the ideology of liberalism generally, and address the conflict of group interests that has caused groups such as Jews to support policies that are in conflict with the interests of the majority. Surely it is better to confront this problem rather than sweeping it under the carpet and pretending it doesn't exist?

If Jews feel that they are under constant threat from White Gentiles and must support policies that are harmful to the society, this needs to be spoken about openly and be addressed sooner or later or it will keep damaging us. If it was obvious that Jews have realised the self-defeating nature of their liberalism and these attitudes of their's were no longer a major influence on the political culture of the West then we could consign this to the past and forget about it and move on. But they haven't.

I have a hard time accepting that it is beneficial to adopt a self-imposed taboo about the subject.

[Gorilla]

Sensible ethno-nationalists do not debate the JQ in public.


(Is 'JQ' 'the jewish question? The way to say it in German is "Endlösung der Judenfrage".)

My thoughts on the jews? I've said this before, and I'll say it again: jews are not really worth the attention they get. A somewhat mixed mid-eastern tribe with a noxious religion.

[Eisenhans]

Here is a subject we haven't discussed much lately. What are your thoughts on the Jews?

A vile hypocritical race which gives no care to the future or past but only to adding to the gold around its neck. Races and cultures are being slowly destroyed by the scum which we cannot criticize because of a minor misconseption known as the "holocaust." We have no reason to show them respect of the slightest. I spit at their feet (ptooey!)

[Thomas777]

I'll say it again you guys: Jews became the ruling class because Western populations went collectively senile and dropped the ball. Jews actually took in upon themselves to maintain a dogmatic, racialist ethos within their own ranks and never abandoned radical collectivism. That is the long and short of Jewish power.

In a healthy, thriving, culturally dynamic Western country, Jews would have no shot at real power...they would be a bunch of two-bit gold traders and shysters...sort of like they were before the 20th Century.

Guess what: when societies degenerate, vulgar elements come to rule...this really should not be a mystery to anybody.

[Fade the Butcher]

If your nutty racist clique had any intellectual leverage, perhaps someone might pay attention to what you have to say.

As usual, Potyondi substitutes shallow rhetoric for substantial ideas and critical thinking. In reality, the superstitions that are regularly attacked here on The Phora (multiculturalism, racial egalitarianism, third world immigration, liberalism, and free trade) have been under sustained assault for years now. These ideas are losing intellectual respectability. I have had the privilege of observing this process for years now. 2005 was probably the worst year ever for multiculturalism. 2006 kicked off with the cartoon riots (note: this followed the French riots, New Orleans riots, and Australian riots). When articles like The End of Tolerance (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/) with subtitles like "farewell multiculturalism" in Newsweek start becoming commonplace, then one can reasonably that the wind is blowing in a new direction.

The immigration reform movement has broken out in Europe and continues to gain steam. The Netherlands and Denmark have implemented harsh new reforms. The French regularly talk about deporting unassimilable immigrants. Immigration is a priority issue in the UK. Several years ago Pim Fortuyn was a marginal figure in Dutch politics and was denounced as an extremist for warning about the Islamization of Europe. His ideas are mainstream now. Look around. Do you see Europeans yearning for more or less immigration? The latter, obviously. The change in tone in the past several years alone is stunning.

What about the United States? President Bush has been trying for years now to legalize our illegal alien population. He has been thwarted again and again. Tom Tancredo and his allies, however, won a major victory last December in the House of Representatives. Tancredo was a pariah several years ago. He isn't today. The Minutemen Project sprung up out of nowhere and civilians are now patroling the U.S. border. Immigration is rapidly becoming a major national issue in the United States and opinion polls reflect this. The shift on this issue is one direction: against those who want more immigration. The pressure underneath the two parties will continue to build until it explodes one day. It is only a matter of time.

Similarly, racial egalitarianism reached its apogee years ago. The Civil Rights Movement ran out of gas during the mid-1980s. It's contemporary leaders, men like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, are held in contempt today by millions of white Americans. Their agenda has stalled and has even come under wholesale attack. The various court orders that forced integration on the South back in the 1950s and 1960s have been allowed to expire and the result has been a strong trend towards resegregation. The support for "reparations for slavery" is practically nonexistent outside of the black community. There is a vigorous opposition movement to affirmative action as well, especially on college campuses, that has been growing in recent years. I would not be surprised either if the new majority on the SCOTUS were to strike down affirmative action once and for all.

The intellectual status of anti-racism has been undermined substantially in recent years. The publication of The Bell Curve was the first real intellectual blow. This was followed by many others like Vincent Sarich's Race: The Reality of Human Differences. Several years ago the director of the human genome project announced that race was insignificant at the genetic level. He has since changed his mind. There is hardly a month that goes by now without some new race-related discovery making popular headlines. Race based medicine is now a reality. It has been proven within the last several months alone that the human species is still evolving. I posted an article about this just last night. There is not a doubt in my mind that racial equality is going to be decisively scientifically refuted once and for all within the next fifteen years. Time is on our side. Here is another recent article that you seem to have missed.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/10/rushton_revisit.php

"Controversial Canadian professor Philippe Rushton, best known for shocking the world in 1989 with a paper arguing some races were smarter than others, is back with another study saying blacks are not as genetically gifted as whites or East Asians. Sixteen years ago, his theory was incendiary. This time around, it was greeted with a shrug. What’s changed?" . . .

The same can be said of free trade. This is another idea constantly attacked on this forum that has lost its momentum to its critics. There has been an enormous erosion in support for free trade in the last fifteen years. For example, President Nixon had fast track authority to negotiate trade agreements back in the 1970s. This authority has been denied to President Clinton and President Bush. There was a political bloodbath over NAFTA back during the early 1990s. Then came the Battle of Seattle in 1999. CAFTA passed by a razor thin majority (a mere two votes) in the House of Representatives. The American public has soured on free trade. The Democratic Party is gradually emerging as the party of protectionism. The free traders have won many battles, but they are losing the war.

This brings us to liberalism. Liberalism is also under attack. It has run its course and has finally exhausted itself. This can be seen at the ballot box where issues like gay marriage have been rejected time and time again by voters. There are simply no more barriers for liberals to tear down in the name of freedom. When you reach a point of almost absolute individual freedom, progress can only be made away from absolute individual freedom. The word liberal has become an epithet in the United States over the past twenty years whereas the word consevative was an epithet fifty years ago.

The growing assault on liberalism has been going on at the academic level as well. The communitarian movement arose in reaction to the publication of John Rawls's A Theory of Justice and has since developed a powerful systematic critique of liberal political theory. Liberalism, simply put, is losing ground. Liberalism will continue to lose ground because it has run out of ideas and fossilized; it has no more bridges to cross. It is losing ground in the hearts of the masses and amongst the minds of the intellectual elite who increasingly are arriving at the conclusion that an absolute unmitigated lack of restraint is destructive to both the individual and society.

The Jews? Israel is one of the most hated nations in the entire world. It's biggest supporter, the United States, is an international pariah. The survivors of the so called Holocaust are dying off and the issue will continue to lose its salience as it retreats further and further into the past. This is already happening in Germany where the current generation feels remarkably less guilty about the Holocaust than their parents. Their children will feel less guilty about the Holocaust than they do. And the Jews themselves? They are mixing themselves out of existence in America and they are surrounded by enemies in the Middle East.

As it is, your vociferous extremism turns more people away from your beliefs toward support of minorities than are converted by it, reducing the 'violence' you inflict to nil.

My beliefs: race realism, pro-immigration reform, economic nationalism, anti-liberalism, anti-multiculturalism, anti-semitism. Wait a minute. My "vociferous extermism" is considered substantially less extreme in 2005 than it was in 1985. OTOH, support for racial egalitarianism, philo-semitism, open borders, globalism, liberalism, and multiculturalism has eroded considerably.

In thirty years, you'll all be Glenn Millers, being attacked by the younger generation of morbid weirdos for "inflicting violence upon the Jew!"

In thirty years, multiculturalism and racial egalitarianism will be relics of the past on par with the flat earth society. You mention Glenn Miller. In 1986, Glenn Miller was a leader in the White Nationalist movement. In 2006, Glenn Miller is a marginal figure who is held in contempt by the vast majority of American racialists. The White Nationalist movement has totally changed in the last twenty years; within the last five years alone there has been a tremendous change. The quantity and quality of the people who have been drawn into that movement has improved tremendously.

This 'movement' is so dysfunctional it needs protecting from its own allies.

The White Nationalist movement is far less dysfunctional today than it was during the Dark Ages of the 1980s.

So to sum up, the amount of violence you inflict is directly proportionate to the amount of concern the average person pays attention to it, which is shrinking constantly.

This is false. The average person is more opposed to civil rights, multiculturalism, liberalism, free trade, and open borders than he was twenty years ago.

Secondly, neither you nor anyone on this board save perhaps Glenn Miller has had any genuine pretentions of "attacking the enemy," so save it for the wide-eyed and gullible neophytes who show up daily, not me.

Our enemies are under assault in many forums. The advocates of free trade and open borders are under assault in the U.S. Congress. The advocates of multiculturalism are under assault in the press. The advocates of racial egalitarianism are under attack in academia. The advocates of liberalism are under attack everywhere.

When you're on a forum, or indeed any written medium, all that counts is your ideas, and so far yours count for nothing in the world.

My ideas are gaining ground in the world. On second thought, that's inaccurate. They are not my ideas. I have been swept up in this great revolutionary movement against the status quo; the spirit of our age.

[Vindex]

Well it is simple as Thomas has stated. The jews are like a aid virus in the body of the Race, a virus can only succeed in a body that is already weak, for a strong bodies immue system would stamp it out quick.

Our Race to be honest is spirituality dormant and it shows as we are a fallen People. Our sickness is spiritual and it manifests in the physical, we are in a darkage and ignorance is death.


As for the juden they must be removed from White Lands as they are the opposite of us spiritually and there destructive and hateful wrecking influence can not be allowed again. No exceptions for any jews just like no exception for any blacks or traitiors.

[Ahknaton]

Judicial overweening does not invalidate the principle upon which law is writ.It does however make the law impractical or undesirable in it's application. The practical effect of "hate speech" laws is an attack on free speech.
Were that the case, we'd have to scrap the entire legal system.No. "Hate speech" laws are especially problematic because their interpretation is inherently subjective, and they are open to abuse for political purposes. Not to mention nearly unenforceable.
One instance of misapplication is not a carte blanche for hundreds or thousands of racists to rant about "the day of the rope" from their soapboxes, terrorising and intimidating their better and more civilised fellow-citizens.Oh FFS, as if that's the only instance of hate speech laws being used for ridiculous political purposes. There is a difference between anticipating violent upheaval and actually advocating and inciting violence too.
As fair as it is to characterise Nazism or New Imperialism as being caucasian in origin. Would you like to compare the merits of both sides and decide based on that who should be kicked out of the country?
Firstly, I do not advocate kicking Jews out of the country, although I do think that ideally they would move to Israel (a point on which hardcore Zionists would agree with me). Secondly, I don't think there is anything wrong with criticism of Anglo-Saxon imperialism/colonialism or German Naziism as being cultural pathologies of those two groups, just as I think it's perfectly reasonable to identify suicidal liberalism as being a Jewish problem (though it's a disease that obviously infects others as well, albeit to a lesser degree).
Flatter yourself if you like, but I really couldn't care less. :p Far from obsessing over the "Judenfrage" or the assorted anti-racist action groups around, I prefer to live my life as a normal human being. You're still being vague, though. Do you mean genocide?
I'm living a pretty normal life myself. You can't pretend to be 100% uninterested in racialist opinions when you have clocked up multiple hundreds of posts arguing with racialists on a message board. Racial abolitionism is a policy advocated by Noel Ignatiev, who calls for the abolition of the White Race as a meaningful social construct through intermarriage and affirmative action.
I am characterising YOUR thesis. It was you who brought up the point about Franz Boas, and not me or McDonald. The negative scientific influence Aristotle had on western science for two millennia was and is far more profound than anything any of your so-loathed Jews have created. Address THAT, your willingness to look one way for Europeans but not for Jews.Well, the topic of the thread is "The Jews" so forgive me if I don't give Aristotlean philosophy equal coverage. Also, I bought up Boas and cited McDonald's thesis that Boasian anthropology could be legitimately labelled "Jewish" in origin. McDonald "brought it up" in Culture of Critique, and I cited him, so it's not "my" thesis. Have you read it? Let me guess, you "can't be bothered reading crazy neo-Nazi propaganda"...:rolleyes:

And who says I "loathe" Jews? I just speak about them truthfully.
You're right, I was being too kind. "Show me another ethnic group that are as unanimous in their support for immigration as Jews are." -Ahknaton. So sorry. I guess that moves us from simply "unanimous" to just over 50%. Care to comment or is your foot stuck too far back in your mouth?You haven't got a leg to stand on here, so you are splitting hairs over the wording of my posts and haggling over statistics. That was just one question relating to one strongly-worded statement from the opinion poll, i.e. "Do you agree with the statment that 'Immigrants make America stronger?'", not "Do you support immigration?" It's also not a make-or-break indicator of Jewish support for immigration over the last 75 years.

Of more importance are the conclusions drawn by the Jewish community leaders quoted in the article, who agree with me that the Jewish community is predominantly pro-immigration. Here's further testament to the pro-immigration stance of the American Jewish community (written by a Jew, not an evil racist neo-Nazi):

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back404.html

"Among the articles of faith in the waning culture of secular liberalism that has served as an ersatz religion for many mainstream American Jews, the most vulnerable tenet is belief in "generous legal immigration," the euphemism for open-borders immigration in the lexicon of American-Jewish public affairs agencies."
I asked for above, and never got, statistical proof of this disproportionate Jewish agitation for 'third world immigration' (an ultimately loaded and stupid term which renders the entire debate meaningless) in relation to its total supporters. So far none of you have been able to provide it. America is a very conservative country; I'm sure Canadian whites are more supportive of immigration than American whites, which tells any reasonable person that the connexion isn't racial. Interesting that the report you linked to has no statistics for caucasian support for immigration, and yet in nearly every other field, they trail Jews in support by nothing significant. If Jews are to be extirpated for having 50%+ support for liberal policies, why not whites with 40%+? A liberal and a Jew aren't the same thing, sorry.
Again with the quibbling over terms. If you don't like "third world immigration" then how about "non-White immigration"?

I didn't say that liberals and Jews are the same thing. I didn't say that Jews are "racially" disposed to supporting immigration, as if they possess some kind of "pro-immigration gene". Also, liberal Whites ARE to be extirpated for supporting immigration, but that doesn't change the historical fact of significant Jewish influence in pushing the pro-immigration agenda, and in the passage of important pieces of legislation such as the 1965 Immigration Act.
Racists: boring as ever.The monotony of being right all the time does get tedious for us after a while.

It also gets boring talking to people who won't acknowledge simple and widely recognised facts, and makes the discussion rather pointless.

[Hakluyt]

We need to attack the ideology of liberalism generally, and address the conflict of group interests that has caused groups such as Jews to support policies that are in conflict with the interests of the majority. Surely it is better to confront this problem rather than sweeping it under the carpet and pretending it doesn't exist?

If Jews feel that they are under constant threat from White Gentiles and must support policies that are harmful to the society, this needs to be spoken about openly and be addressed sooner or later or it will keep damaging us.
I think Jews have addressed this sufficiently themselves, actually; there's no questioning their counterculture or their role in the social liberalism of the 20th century, because they're proud of it and mention it as often as possible.

Understanding group interest is key to any abstract appreciation of political theory and indeed demographics. And it's certainly of historical [read: academic] interest to understand why we've arrived at this crisis and who supported what and why. But you're going to have to tell us how this translates to manifest relevance for the Jewish Question today within our political programme, why activism is required on the subject, Why mention the Jews in the first sentence in which you respond to the question 'What do we do now?' I've never seen any justification for this. I suggest it's of purely academic value for the years to come, and even then only to a limited degree.

If it was obvious that Jews have realised the self-defeating nature of their liberalism and these attitudes of their's were no longer a major influence on the political culture of the West then we could consign this to the past and forget about it and move on. But they haven't.
I don't think they will change, though as Fade rightly mentions they are presently breeding themselves out of existence and will soon be known to the world as a truly national people alone [the Israelis]. We can easily neutralise their group interest under our own strength. They pose an insignificant threat compared with our own weaknesses, which results from the very same ideas they tend to promote. Solving the latter will negate the former.

I have a hard time accepting that it is beneficial to adopt a self-imposed taboo about the subject.
Not a taboo, just some common sense and foresight. I realise it's never appealing to be asked to willingly ignore something, but this is only necessary because it's been paid undue attention to begin with. I don't see activism on the Jewish Question resulting in anything good for anybody - it's just a vindictive reaction on the part of those who feel the truth has been denied to the public. But it hasn't been by any stretch, for those who seek it out.

[Basil Fawlty]

Mr Deasy halted, breathing hard and swallowing his breath.

-- I just wanted to say, he said. Ireland, they say, has the honour of being the only country which never persecuted the jews. Do you know that? No. And do you know why?

He frowned sternly on the bright air.

-- Why, sir? Stephen asked, beginning to smile.

-- Because she never let them in, Mr Deasy said solemnly.James Joyce, Ulysses

[Sulla the Dictator]

In thirty years, multiculturalism and racial egalitarianism will be relics of the past on par with the flat earth society. You mention Glenn Miller.


LMAO In thirty years you folks will still be talking on BBs about how 'soon' its all coming down the pike. Racism is even weaker than it was ten years ago, which was a shadow of its self 20 years ago, which was feeble compared to forty years ago. :p

Its an ideological dodo bird.

[Petr]

Racism is even weaker than it was ten years ago, which was a shadow of its self 20 years ago, which was feeble compared to forty years ago. :p

Its an ideological dodo bird.
Jes' keep whistling past the graveyard, my dear Las Vegas degenerate. :p


Petr

[Fade the Butcher]

LMAO In thirty years you folks will still be talking on BBs about how 'soon' its all coming down the pike.

I'm going to hold you to that thirty years from now. :p

Racism is even weaker than it was ten years ago, which was a shadow of its self 20 years ago, which was feeble compared to forty years ago. Its an ideological dodo bird.

I disagree. If you would like to learn more about the subject, then I suggest you check out Klinker and Smith's The Unsteady March: The Rise and Decline of Racial Equality in America (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226443418/102-3838095-2828114?v=glance&n=283155) and Carl Degler's In Search of Human Nature: The Decline and Revival of Darwinism in American Social Thought ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195077075/qid=1141902574/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-3838095-2828114?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). This pattern of revolutionary bursts of war induced egalitarianism followed by long term reaction and retrenchment is a characteristic feature of American history. It happened in the aftermath of the American Revolution when free blacks were granted voting rights in many states only to lose them in later decades. It happened again in the aftermath of the Civil War which was followed by Reconstruction. Reconstruction was ultimately defeated and was followed by the Jim Crow Era. Similarly, World War 2 was followed by the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement ran out of steam in the mid-1980s.

I think there are many parallels between our own times and the late nineteenth century. There was a flurry of highminded civil rights legislation that was passed in the 1860s and 1870s following the Civil War. It was undermined in later years though by the revolutionary work of Darwin, Spencer, Galton, and Mendel which changed the intellectual climate. A similar process is going on today. The intellectual foundations of anti-racism are being eroded by the progress we are making in genetics. The reaction against mass third world immigration, neoliberalism, and multiculturalism has begun in earnest across the West. The advocates of these policies have been thrown back on the defensive. I'm actually far more optimistic today about our chances than I was five years ago. I expected the multiculturalist/globalist consensus to break down eventually, but I didn't think it would come about so soon. The change in the last two years alone has been extraordinary.

[Die]

Enlightened racism, or intelligent racial awareness, is just now having it's eternal rebirth. Down with race rotters! Long live the Races!

If you want the races to live long you'd better not push racism, or many other isms for that matter. We haven't even managed nuclear disarmament yet. Are you religious or something?

[Die]

Racism in the positive sense! Oh yes! Why not raciality? How racially aware are you? Now what concessions does that grant you to get out of a test of your intelligence?

Everybody's religious.

I see that all chance at a functional language has been yanked clean off.

And what better word for it than 'racism.'

The meaning of racism still includes all the blood and confusion that you have perhaps not experienced.

[Die]

Your edit: See, many intelligent people expressing a plethora of intelligent natural instincts have been smeared by that ham-handed word. The word has been made a weapon to impute darkness to all positive racial awareness. So we shall take charge of it, along with other words, and inject it's light and intelligence into it. Till it's not a 'scare' word to you any more.

I'll let you have the word for seven days. See what you can do with it.

[Crowley]

Although there are many fine individual Jews, they are as a collective loathsome. This is why they are loathsome: because they are the wealthiest ethnic group in the country yet they demand special consideration as a victim group, and this special consideration includes exemption from criticism. Contemplate that for a minute: the wealthiest, most politically organized group in the country, a people with a controlling interest in many if not all of the principalities of power (media, banking, university, legal) in our country also claim to be above, beyond, or to the side of public criticism of any kind. This coming from what has to be history's most critical people. Anyone who loves justice and fair play cannot help but be repulsed by this double standard.

[angrywhiteboy]

Jews own this board.

[Gorilla]

The jews are a hoax.

jews jews jews jews jews jews

[WFHermans]

Jews own almost every board in the world, but not this one.

[brigadier Biggles]

reading a julian lee post is very unnerving, hes different somehow to the other intellectuals around here, anybody else get this aura off him ?, no offense julian just airing my thoughts.

[Helios Panoptes]

reading a julian lee post is very unnerving, hes different somehow to the other intellectuals around here, anybody else get this aura off him ?, no offense julian just airing my thoughts.

Can you explain? Despite our past arguments, I consider JL a fine poster and a gentleman. :)

[Daniel Shays]

The Jews are a psuedo-nation that is sustained by the continous flow of degenerate blood attracted to it from all the dregs of the world's races. The Jewish question is a question of totally degenerate stock (both genetically and spiritually), with more than 3,000 years of savage inbreeding. Degenerates of other nations are attracted to Jews for intermarriage, friendship, and service because they can't find friends or sexual partners inside of healthy nations and turn to the Jewish diaspora. In this role, the diaspora acts as a sponge, which attracts and assimilates most degenerate scum of all nations on Earth.

[leondegrance]

Jews own almost every board in the world, but not this one.

I believe the jews own this board, and the internet.

[Kodos]

The Jews are a psuedo-nation that is sustained by the continous flow of degenerate blood attracted to it from all the dregs of the world's races. The Jewish question is a question of totally degenerate stock (both genetically and spiritually), with more than 3,000 years of savage inbreeding. Degenerates of other nations are attracted to Jews for intermarriage, friendship, and service because they can't find friends or sexual partners inside of healthy nations and turn to the Jewish diaspora. In this role, the diaspora acts as a sponge, which attracts and assimilates most degenerate scum of all nations on Earth.


How many scientific nobel prizes have you won?

[Anarch]

I've grown into a habit of dismissing the hollowco$t as irrelevant whenever some moron decides to call me a Nazi, which is becoming increasingly rare. What do I think of the Jews? The unfortunate fact is they are a practical reality any Western nativist has to challenge. How to do so? Hmmm. Charge ahead with the program and denounce them as self-interested pricks whenever they pop their heads up in their insanely egotistical manner. That's my plan. Feel free to let me know if you guys figure a better one.

[OVERWATCH]

How to do so? Hmmm. Charge ahead with the program and denounce them as self-interested pricks whenever they pop their heads up in their insanely egotistical manner. That's my plan. Feel free to let me know if you guys figure a better one.

When a Jew tries an appeal to emotion regarding some issue like racialism, immigration or multiculturalism, by playing the holocaust/antisemitism card, the best policy is to point your index finger to your ear, then make circular motions with it, whilst looking skyward- the international gesture of lunacy.

[Fade the Butcher]

Potyondi and Sulla are always making emotional appeals that turn off my interest in what they have to say like a light switch.

[Keystone]

I've grown into a habit of dismissing the hollowco$t as irrelevant whenever some moron decides to call me a Nazi, which is becoming increasingly rare.
Outside of racial internut forums, it's extremely rare.
What do I think of the Jews? The unfortunate fact is they are a practical reality any Western nativist has to challenge. How to do so? Hmmm. Charge ahead with the program and denounce them as self-interested pricks whenever they pop their heads up in their insanely egotistical manner. That's my plan. Feel free to let me know if you guys figure a better one.
The Jews, the Jews, Jews, the juda-juda-jeeeewwws!

[OVERWATCH]

Not from you.

And no, those are insults, to meet yours. "Niggah." Not a single curse word there. I don't curse.

Since you require dramatic speech and like to deal in vulgarities, I made the attempt meet you at your own level. Whereas I responded to your first jabs respectfully in a PM, you responded with highly personal insults on this thread. I meet like with like. Especially with snot nosed "godless" punks. My policy is that when juveniles want to get nasty, I always give them thrice back. The cat handles the kittens one way; she handles rats differently.

About the Jews: The Jews live on the godless food of Die and his like.

In the future, please report a post using the '!' icon in the top right of post; don't respond to flames.

Thanks.

Now let's get back on topic, folks ;)

[Dan Dare]

Potyondi and Sulla are always making emotional appeals that turn off my interest in what they have to say like a light switch.

The Dynamic Duo seem to be conspicuous by their absence.

What, one wonders, are they up to:D

[Vindex]

If the jews went poof today, and all the colours too, we would still be stuck in a class war and we still would need the mix of Vlad Tepes and Hitler and would require a total Natural Socialist revolt to remove and depose the ruling plutocratic tier totally and remove the destructive culture rot.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The Dynamic Duo seem to be conspicuous by their absence.

What, one wonders, are they up to:D

I'm writing my debate post. I just finished with my car shopping. After I sign all the docs tomorrow on my Lexus I'll have something for us by next week. :p

[Leif]

I MET a Jewish friend of mine the other day and he asked me, "What is going to happen to the Jews?" I told him I had rather he had asked me a different question, "What is going to happen - to mankind ?"

"But my people----" he began.

"That," said I, "is exactly what is the matter with them."

-H.G. Wells

[Sulla the Dictator]

I will throw out a question to kick off the debate. Is there any people in the entire world that is more self-absorbed than the Jews; that spends more time talking about their own problems and concerns?

You certainly do. :p

Abe Foxman, for example, atleast gets PAID.

[Sulla the Dictator]

We should dispense with the loaded term "anti-Semitism" at the outset of this debate. I don't think many people here dislike Jews because they are Jews. That is nothing more than a propaganda ploy. I have never come across a racialist who doesn't have his reasons for disliking Jews.

I was under the impression that the vast majority of people who work in the schools, in the media, and in the entertainment media were white gentiles.

[cerberus]

I was under the impression that the vast majority of people who work in the schools, in the media, and in the entertainment media were white gentiles.
But you forget Sulla , they have taken the Jewish schekel - or however its spelt.:p
We should dispense with the loaded term "anti-Semitism" at the outset of this debate. I don't think many people here dislike Jews because they are Jews. That is nothing more than a propaganda ploy. I have never come across a racialist who doesn't have his reasons for disliking Jews.
Well you could have fooled me - all you ever see is the standard conspiracy stuff and anti semetic sound bites.
All you want to do Fade is word play and dress up an anti semetic line.
It's like changing "Fade the Butcher" , to "Fade" and "Fade" to "Deconstructionist" , actually no change only a different name or set of terms.
Why change what we all understand , word play - that's all it amounts to.
( When you 2cut to the chase").

[Fade the Butcher]

I was under the impression that the vast majority of people who work in the schools, in the media, and in the entertainment media were white gentiles.

That's a half truth. If you look at the public education system and the media for example, then you will find that most teachers and reporters are white gentiles. This isn't the case if you look at the agenda setting intelligentsia and elite media in America.

[Fade the Butcher]

But you forget Sulla , they have taken the Jewish schekel - or however its spelt.:p

The system works mostly through self censorship. Noam Chomsky has a great book about this called Manufacturing Consent. I suggest you check it out.

Well you could have fooled me - all you ever see is the standard conspiracy stuff and anti semetic sound bites.

Those who are interested in the truth of the matter have to deal with paranoid conspiracy theorists who blame the Jews for everything that is wrong in the world on the one hand and mendacious philo-semites on the other who seek to obscure any inquiry into the subject with ad homimen denunciations. In my experience, they are two sides of the same irrational partisan coin.

All you want to do Fade is word play and dress up an anti semetic line.

I consider myself to be an analyst who is interested in facts. Whine all you want about anti-semitism. I have learned virtually everything I know about Jews from the Jews themselves. I spent a considerable amount of time as an undergraduate immersing myself in Jewish texts.

It's like changing "Fade the Butcher" , to "Fade" and "Fade" to "Deconstructionist" , actually no change only a different name or set of terms.

The username "Deconstructionist" is a reference to one who uses critical reason to uncover the truth.

Why change what we all understand , word play - that's all it amounts to.
( When you 2cut to the chase").

I'm a smasher of idols.

[cerberus]

I'm a smasher of idols.

Perhaps I should call you "Q".

Fade - , you are then speaking purely for yourself , your own limited experience is being used to judged a whole people , some of whom I am sure you have not met.

Whine all you want about anti-semitism
And Fade , you do the same about Jews -
The username "Deconstructionist" is a reference to one who uses critical reason to uncover the truth.

That much I suspected.
I do suspect that from time to time this critical faculty deserts you.

[Jofreidr_1488]

Rachel Corrie's Play Banned In New York

http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel3.jpg

Human Rights Activist who was killed by Israelis

New York Society Forbids Play About Rachel Corrie

They say that the play is "hateful" and "anti -Semitic."


What Is Going On?

Rachel Corrie, a human rights activist, was killed when an Israeli military bulldozer driver deliberately ran over her. Now New York Jews claim a play about her is anti -Semitic.

The Murder

On March 16, 2003, Rachel Corrie and seven other Internaitonal Solidarity Movement (ISM) activists were protesting Israeli house demolitions. Rachel stood in the bulldoze'rs path, but the Israeli Defence Forces driver did not stop. After crushing her, he then put the dozer into reverse, without lifting its blade, and dug the blade over and into her body again.


Three activists ran to her and began administering first-responder medical treatment . . . She said, "My back is broken!" but nothing else.

Israel's Excuse

Rachel Corrie, who was in a closed military zone and interfering with IDF operational activities, was killed by accident. The driver never saw her, and ultimately the ISM was to blame.

http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel13.jpg


http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel16.jpg


Who Are These People?

They send our kids to Iraq, they infest our top universities, they build museums on the Washington Mall at taxpayer's expense. They arrest historians at will.

Dying In Iraq For Israel

Here is a good example of what you are fighting for in Iraq. 1200 marines died, and 10,000 plus are maimed in the name of freedom, but New York won't allow a play about a dead American Girl.

http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel_corrie.htm


Hopefully Israel and its jews are destroyed within my lifetime.

[Scales]

Katharine Viner, who co-wrote the play with Alan Rickman, is Jewish herself.

[Crowley]

Makes sense, dead girls and diaries are proven money makers.

[Scales]

Although Alan Rickman isn't.

[Crowley]

A mason no doubt. ;)

[Sulla the Dictator]

That's a half truth. If you look at the public education system and the media for example, then you will find that most teachers and reporters are white gentiles. This isn't the case if you look at the agenda setting intelligentsia and elite media in America.


Jack Welch is a white American gentile of Irish Catholic ancestry.

[Daniel Shays]

Jack Welch is a white American gentile of Irish Catholic ancestry.
He has been retired for five years and he never was involved with the media branch in ways other than managing the finances.

[Fade the Butcher]

Jack Welch is a white American gentile of Irish Catholic ancestry.

Jack Welch retired.

[Fade the Butcher]

He has been retired for five years and he never was involved with the media branch in ways other than managing the finances.

Ah. You beat me to the punch.

[Fade the Butcher]

Perhaps I should call you "Q".Fade - , you are then speaking purely for yourself , your own limited experience is being used to judged a whole people , some of whom I am sure you have not met.

Hold on. If I read Jewish sources and Jews themselves are saying everything that I have accused them of (having disproportionate influence in the media, universities, and government), then I am engaging in "anti-semitism" for pointing this out? How convenient.

And Fade , you do the same about Jews -

Yes. They have a curious line of reasoning. Jews can self-identify with their group and lobby our government to advance their interests and even that of foreign countries. That's praiseworthy. Blacks can and should to the same. That's great. But whites? That's racism, bigotry, hate, and xenophobia. Now, some would say this is a double standard, but I don't think that is the case at all. It's perfectly consistent with the guiding question, as Leif pointed out: is it good for the Jews?

That much I suspected. I do suspect that from time to time this critical faculty deserts you.

I don't throw around baseless accusations. Look in the mirror.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Jack Welch retired.

Who replaced him?

[Sulla the Dictator]

He has been retired for five years and he never was involved with the media branch in ways other than managing the finances.

Who replaced him?

[Sulla the Dictator]

That's a half truth. If you look at the public education system and the media for example, then you will find that most teachers and reporters are white gentiles. This isn't the case if you look at the agenda setting intelligentsia and elite media in America.

I am quite familar with corporate law. In fact, I forgot to tell you that my minor is economics. I took several classes on business law. And as anyone who is familar with the subject well knows, while stakeholder interests are important to corporations, maximization of shareholder value is the absolute bottom line.

[Daniel Shays]

Who replaced him?
Jeffrey R. Immelt

Guess who runs the media department?

A kike named Jeff Zucker.

[WFHermans]

I think it was Luke Ford who said "anti-semitism is hating jews more than they deserve".

[Fade the Butcher]

I am quite familar with corporate law. In fact, I forgot to tell you that my minor is economics. I took several classes on business law. And as anyone who is familar with the subject well knows, while stakeholder interests are important to corporations, maximization of shareholder value is the absolute bottom line.

The print and entertainment media are certainly not doing a good job in this respect. 2005 was a very bad year for Hollywood. The circulation of the major newspapers and magazines is also way down.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The print and entertainment media are certainly not doing a good job in this respect. 2005 was a very bad year for Hollywood. The circulation of the major newspapers and magazines is also way down.

Tell me. If the Jews have such absolute control of the media, then why is there so much criticism of the Jews and the State of Israel in the media? Why is there so much criticism of Israel on college campuses throughout the United States and Europe? Maybe the Jews want to be disliked. What do you think?

[Starr]

Where do you see criticism of Jews, in the media sulla? Israel, maybe. the liberals have to have their say in criticising an oppressive and racist "state" though I don't really see a whole lot of that either, to be honest.

[Fade the Butcher]

Tell me. If the Jews have such absolute control of the media, then why is there so much criticism of the Jews and the State of Israel in the media?

The Jews don't have absolute control of the media. They are radically overrepresented in the mass media though and are very influential in this sector. I'm not aware of anyone who denies this. As for anti-semitic criticism of Jews, there is very little of that, but there is some criticism of Israel.

Why is there so much criticism of Israel on college campuses throughout the United States and Europe? Maybe the Jews want to be disliked. What do you think?

This criticism of Israel on American college campuses is often driven by anti-Zionist Jews. The situation in Europe is different where Jewish influence is far less pronounced. And yes, Jewish organizations love playing the role of the persecuted minority.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The Jews don't have absolute control of the media. They are radically overrepresented in the mass media though and are very influential in this sector. I'm not aware of anyone who denies this. As for anti-semitic criticism of Jews, there is very little of that, but there is some criticism of Israel.


Who forbids criticism of Jews? Once again, I see criticism of Jews all the time. It may not be the sort of criticism that you would like to hear, but it is nevertheless out there.


This criticism of Israel on American college campuses is often driven by anti-Zionist Jews. The situation in Europe is different where Jewish influence is far less pronounced. And yes, Jewish organizations love playing the role of the persecuted minority.

I don't see why there should be such a distinction made at all. I see criticism of the Jews all the time, not just Israelis. This is especially true over in Europe. But you are right if you are trying to point out that we don't hear people publically calling for the mass murder of Jews. Most people would consider that to be immoral and act accordingly.

[Fade the Butcher]

Who forbids criticism of Jews? Once again, I see criticism of Jews all the time. It may not be the sort of criticism that you would like to hear, but it is nevertheless out there.

This varies from country to country. In the United States, it is not illegal to criticize Jews. There is very little anti-semitic criticism of Jews in the American media though. This has a lot to do with Jewish influence in this sector.

I don't see why there should be such a distinction made at all. I see criticism of the Jews all the time, not just Israelis. This is especially true over in Europe.

There is plenty of criticism of Jews on internet messageboards. Sure.

But you are right if you are trying to point out that we don't hear people publically calling for the mass murder of Jews. Most people would consider that to be immoral and act accordingly.

I don't call for the mass murder of the Jews either.

[Sulla the Dictator]

This varies from country to country. In the United States, it is not illegal to criticize Jews.


I hear people calling for the destruction of Israel all the time. The funniest thing about this is that some of the most vicious criticism of Israel you will find anywhere comes from the Jews themselves.


There is very little anti-semitic criticism of Jews in the American media though. This has a lot to do with Jewish influence in this sector.


And maybe they are sincerely of that point of view. Does that mean they are part of some vast overarching ZOG conspiracy? No, actually it doesn't.

[Scales]

Muslims tend to follow Koranic doctrine with considerably more literal zeal than the average Jew does the Talmud.

Most Jews aren't even aware of most of the more unpleasant tracts, which are treated as anachronisms and are neither taught to, nor followed by, mainstream Jewry.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Originally posted by Deconstructionist
I don't call for the mass murder of the Jews either.


Changing the system without eliminating Jews in their entirety will solve nothing. They will only agitate afterwards to undermine the new system. The attention of the public will wane. The masses can only become politically active for so long. Eventually, the Jews will be let back in and they will simply corrupt the system all over again. History has proven the futility of simply expelling the Jews or simply trying to solve the problem on a national basis. The Jews have been kicked out of most European nations in the past only to be let right back in a few centuries later. As I pointed out before, it is probably even more futile to try to expel them, since they will only be beyond our control and free to agitate against us. Just look what they did to Russia in the early 1900's. Safe and comfortable from their perch in NYC, they provided the financing that allowed the Japanese to defeat the Russians in the war between those two nations. They agitated against the Russians for decades until the Communists finally over the Tsar just as they agitating against Germany thoughout the West when Hitler came to power.

As for massive public support for eliminating the Jews, why is such a thing even necessary? The masses are ordinarily contented to go about their own lives. If power was obtained, somehow, I really do not see the public itself being much of a problem, that of course presupposing the elimination of Jews from power in the media beforehand. It wasn't really a problem in Germany, Spain, Russia or elsewhere. As for eliminating the Jews in their entirety, sure, one might feel bad about it for a few days, but it is not like it is the end of the world.

--The Chronicles of Fade

[Daniel Shays]

I would like to see them collectively sterilized honestly and incarcerated until they cease their existence in this world. Jews are some of the biggest fans of abortion anyway. Its not like they have any real serious objection to neutralizing unborn generations.

-- The Chronicles of Fade

[Starr]

In a perfect fantasy, they would all be sent to Israel, the gravy train would stop and they would be forced to get rid of their "weapons of mass destruction"
for some reason I don't see them lasting too long, and we wouldn't be directly responsible for their demise.

[infoterror]

Nationalism = each race both privileged to have and exiled to its own space. Jews -----> Israel, do not pass go, no $200.

[Fade the Butcher]

Changing the system without eliminating Jews in their entirety will solve nothing. They will only agitate afterwards to undermine the new system. The attention of the public will wane. The masses can only become politically active for so long. Eventually, the Jews will be let back in and they will simply corrupt the system all over again. History has proven the futility of simply expelling the Jews or simply trying to solve the problem on a national basis. The Jews have been kicked out of most European nations in the past only to be let right back in a few centuries later. As I pointed out before, it is probably even more futile to try to expel them, since they will only be beyond our control and free to agitate against us. Just look what they did to Russia in the early 1900's. Safe and comfortable from their perch in NYC, they provided the financing that allowed the Japanese to defeat the Russians in the war between those two nations. They agitated against the Russians for decades until the Communists finally over the Tsar just as they agitating against Germany thoughout the West when Hitler came to power.

As for massive public support for eliminating the Jews, why is such a thing even necessary? The masses are ordinarily contented to go about their own lives. If power was obtained, somehow, I really do not see the public itself being much of a problem, that of course presupposing the elimination of Jews from power in the media beforehand. It wasn't really a problem in Germany, Spain, Russia or elsewhere. As for eliminating the Jews in their entirety, sure, one might feel bad about it for a few days, but it is not like it is the end of the world.

--The Chronicles of Fade

I don't say anything in there about murdering Jews. In fact, I recall saying in some other post at Original Dissent that I would be 1.) indifferent to their disapperance and 2.) speculated about sterilizing them out of existence and confining them to Africa. As for the latter, I don't see any reason for that today. I wouldn't inflict the Jews on anyone. Jews have their own national homeland in Israel. I think they should emigrate there and leave the rest of us alone. If they were to do so and cease being such a nuisance, then I wouldn't have any problem with them. The inhabitants of New Guinea, for example, are not causing problems for us.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I don't say anything in there about murdering Jews.


I am actually looking forward to the decline of the Western standard of living and all that will entail, not because I really have any hope our political circumstances will improve, but because it would give me immense pleasure to see these whiners and degenerates, scum in short, suffer. YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.

--Chronicles of Fade

[Fade the Butcher]

I am actually looking forward to the decline of the Western standard of living and all that will entail, not because I really have any hope our political circumstances will improve, but because it would give me immense pleasure to see these whiners and degenerates, scum in short, suffer. YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.

I don't advocate the rape or murder of anyone in this passage. Still, I can't help but take some satisfaction in seeing unjust people reap what they have sown. I'm sure many people here will agree. If our ruinous economic policies produce a decline in our standard of living, then the condition that results is justified by our lack of social concern. The same can be said of other social policies like immigration and multiculturalism. I don't lose any sleep over the fact that degenerate Western liberals get mugged, raped, and murdered. They have brought their misfortunes upon themselves and have viciously attacked those who have attempted to reason with them.

Take Europe for example. It has a stagnant birthrate. Women have abortions left and right because they conflict with their lifestyle preferences. Muslims from third world countries have been imported to work as cheap laborers. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if one day those Muslims were to grow in population to the point that where they decide they have had enough of such sickness in their midst and take it upon themselves to put an end to liberalism once and for all. Many would interpret such an event in the terms of natural law. The sick and diseased organism is simply replaced and eliminated by one that doesn't suffer from such a paralyzing lack of will power and identity.

This shouldn't be interpreted in the sense that I want to see the decline of the West. I don't. If there is nothing that can be done to save the West, then I would prefer to have the West fall than see liberalism survive indefinitely.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I don't advocate the rape or murder of anyone in this passage.


YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.


If our ruinous economic policies produce a decline in our standard of living, then the condition that results is justified by our lack of social concern. The same can be said of other social policies like immigration and multiculturalism. I don't lose any sleep over the fact that degenerate Western liberals get mugged, raped, and murdered. They have brought their misfortunes upon themselves and have viciously attacked those who have attempted to reason with them.


I am not proud to be white at all. In fact, I am ashamed of it. It is embarrassing to be associated with such a race of cowards. Whites today do not have much to be proud of as a race. They have lost face and they should own up to it.


This shouldn't be interpreted in the sense that I want to see the decline of the West. I don't.


Count me as part of the worse-is-better crowd. I am actually looking forward to the decline of the Western standard of living and all that will entail, not because I really have any hope our political circumstances will improve, but because it would give me immense pleasure to see these whiners and degenerates, scum in short, suffer.


If there is nothing that can be done to save the West, then I would prefer to have the West fall than see liberalism survive indefinitely.

>>>Never mind, if it takes America devolving into a Kosovo - a 3000-mile stretch of burning tires where men hoard bread-mold to treat the sick and wounded, by God you're gonna live to see the glorious day when two plus two equals five because the village elders SAY it is!

YES! That would be a wonderful and perfectly acceptable change in my view.

>>>We burned civilization to save civilization, eh?

I am not the view myself that civilization is a permanent state, much less, ipso facto desirable in every situation.

>>>And to think : all this is 'necessary' because it's just so damned inconvenient to suffer the disapproving stares of our fellows by Naming the Jew. Personal discomfort is too great a sacrifice to ask, so let's root for total collapse....this way, I don't have to blubber for St Jude's protection in a Chertoff-designated jail cell full of ni**ers!

This presupposes our situation will change even if the "Jew is named." I disagree with this theory. The Jew has been named by people for years. It is no real secret honestly. I also see nothing necessarily undesirable either in watching the diversity ideology ruin the lives of millions of lemmings, the true believers. Serves them right! I am not of the opinion that simply being "white" is sufficient myself.

>>>Way to defend the faith! Way to betray centuries of your forebears who struggled their way out of barbarism.

Will power uplifted us out of barbarism in the first place. Now that our will power has ran its course we will collapse back into barbarism and be overrun by aliens. This is nothing really unprecedented or unpredictable.

>>>You want to "bring down mastadons with a sharpened stick"? Hey, we HAVE a place like that already....it's called Africa.

There is nothing really unique about Africans not found amongst the "African-Americans" in the United States.

>>>I repeat: this is all end-times wishful thinking indulged in by people who are derelict in their duties to NAME THE JEW.

I am not of the view personally that the Jew is the sole cause of our problems. In my personal opinion, the Jew has acted more of an enzyme in a completely natural process that Europeans are ultimately to blame for themselves.

>>>I choose to think the pariahs among us who do so are like sparks combusting in the dry grass, and that the truly decadent - those who turn up their noses at this and instead wish for civilizational collapse, when no penalties will accrue for lamppost justice - will be supplanted by those who inspire us to keep our infrastructure intact and our civilization whole while meting out justice to the 2% who seek to enslave us all.

You seem to be equating should with will here. You seem to be suggesting that a recovery at this point is possible, that naming the Jew will somehow precipitate this change. No, I disagree. The Jew has been named for years. As for civilizational collapse what of it? What civilization prior to the West has not itself collapsed? No civilization lives forever just as no person lives forever.


--Chronicles of Fade

[Starr]

Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.

Are you having fun, sulla?:p
You don't have to advocate something exactly, to see some good in it. It sounds more like there is approval for things happening to these people when they bring it on themselves.
You reap what you sow.

[infoterror]

YES! That is my view of the matter. Whenever these anti-racists are raped, murdered, or lose their jobs I often find a smile on my face.

That's not advocacy.

Approval, perhaps, but he does not encourage it as an action. It's no different than saying "multiple car pileups on the freeway amuse me."

Do any of you white niggers know your logical fallacies? I mean, COME ON ;)

[ogenoct]

“We must fight on two fronts, but not by the same means. We must be very acute in our strategy. The best thing is to not speak about the Jews. They don’t exist. For me, they are like Eskimos.” Guillaume Faye, Amren Conference, 2006.

Guillaume Faye wrote a whole book dedicated to the Jewish Question last year.

Constantin

[Dutch_NS88]

They are a plague, controlling everything to destroy the planet and people. They most be stopped!

[IlluSionS667]

They are a plague, controlling everything to destroy the planet and people. They most be stopped!

You should really watch your spelling... in both English and Dutch.

[Dutch_NS88]

You should really watch your spelling... in both English and Dutch.

You should be worried about something else... I'm doing everything in high speed, and miss some faults. Who cares.