The Unconscious

[Micaelis]

Are there unconscious mental processes?

[Donny the Punk]

Obviously.

[Ahknaton]

Yes. Both individual and collective.

[Micaelis]

Obviously.

Where is the biological proof beyond the simple parapraxes? To which operations in the central nervous system may we attribute the unconscious?

[Donny the Punk]

Where is the biological proof beyond the simple parapraxes? To which operations in the central nervous system may we attribute the unconscious?
Sight: unconscious mental process: occipital lobe.

[Micaelis]

Sight: unconscious mental process: occipital lobe.

Explain yourself.

[Donny the Punk]

Explain yourself.
Err... you want me to explain the biological mechanism of sight? I should think it's fairly obvious that the conversion of light signals into electrical impulses by rhodopsin and 11-cis-retinol which then travel through the optical nerve to the occipital lobe which translates the image isn't conscious.

[Micaelis]

So your idea of the unconscious is perception rather than latent memory thoughts forcing themselves, while remaining hidden or obscure, into consciousness. I think Freud classified what you are explaining as preconsciousness, actually.

[Donny the Punk]

I gave perception as an example of an unconscious mental process. As Freud a) was not a psychologist/psychiatrist, b) made up everything he ever wrote, c) is discredited in every modern psychological circle, I think I'm justfied in not really caring about how he'd classify it. :p

[Micaelis]

I gave perception as an example of an unconscious mental process. As Freud a) was not a psychologist/psychiatrist, b) made up everything he ever wrote, c) is discredited in every modern psychological circle, I think I'm justfied in not really caring about how he'd classify it. :p

Psychoanalysis has not been discredited. There are revolving theories that attempt to take its place among the ranks of psychological theory, nothing else.

Freud did not make up everything he ever wrote. He concluded his information based on case studies as well as scientific observation of psychological phenomena to which he paid witness. He obtained his medical degree from Vienna University. What you present is in accordance with the current perspective of Freud within academic circles. It is a perspective.

[scop]

Psychoanalysis has not been discredited. There are revolving theories that attempt to take its place among the ranks of psychological theory, nothing else.

Freud did not make up everything he ever wrote. He concluded his information based on case studies as well as scientific observation of psychological phenomena to which he paid witness. He obtained his medical degree from Vienna University. What you present is in accordance with the current perspective of Freud within academic circles. It is a perspective.

Although Freud is interesting in theory terms (as well as Jung) the current perspective is based on Freuds failed methodology, the problem of transference and counter-transference, I'd be more inclined to read Adler if a psychoanalysis is required.

On a side note if you wish to have some Derrida threads I would be more than interested.

[scop]

Are there unconscious mental processes?

Perhaps it is difficult to say and none of us are likely to agree unless our premises are in line, I would follow the phenomenological line of thinking in this area.

As Husserl notes this line of investigation frees us from:

The investigations which follow aspire solely to such freedom from metaphysical, scientific and psychological presuppositions.

[Friar Puck]

Are there unconscious mental processes?

Have you ever misplaced your hand onto the loving glow of a hot stove? One hardly deliberates the relocative jerk of stated hand.
Puck

[Janus]

The "motor functions" are all the result of "unconcious mental processes".