Dysfunctional Blacks

[Keystone]

Which I don't but so what? And so? This sounds very familiar from closer to home, btw.You seem to be forgetting something about Irish history here.
Its nothing.
140 years is more than half of our history as a nation. The time of black emancipation isn't the unchanging middle-ages. They've been given every opportunity they haven't had in the last 50 years. What we have today is unprecendented crime and anti-social behavior, blighted inner cities and immorality on an unheard of scale in the "black community".

[Keystone]

This why Holocaust denial/defense is a non-issue for me. It's interesting but does nothing for me actually, except for interesting history Tell me how black and white can get along in America and I'm all ears.

[Kodos]

This why Holocaust denial/defense is a non-issue for me. It's interesting but does nothing for me actually, except for interesting history Tell me how black and white can get along in America and I'm all ears.

End transfer payments affirmitive action and the war on drugs, "black people" will survive "niggers" will starve, od, or get killed by the cops in short order.

[Keystone]

End transfer payments affirmitive action and the war on drugs, "black people" will survive "niggers" will starve, od, or get killed by the cops in short order.
There you go.

[Fade the Butcher]

What we have today is unprecendented crime and anti-social behavior, blighted inner cities and immorality on an unheard of scale in the "black community".

That's what happens when you allow morons and feebleminded idiots to multiply without restraint.

[Sulla the Dictator]

140 years is more than half of our history as a nation. The time of black emancipation isn't the unchanging middle-ages.


Blacks have only been equal under the law for 40 of those years.


They've been given every opportunity they haven't had in the last 50 years.


50 years isn't a long time as far as social integration goes.


What we have today is unprecendented crime and anti-social behavior


I was under the impression that crime has been on the decline for the past decade. :p


blighted inner cities and immorality on an unheard of scale in the "black community".

"Immorality on an unheard of scale"? What does that mean?

[Fade the Butcher]

Blacks have only been equal under the law for 40 of those years.

You are confusing the South with the United States.

50 years isn't a long time as far as social integration goes.

Keystone was talking about social disintegration.

I was under the impression that crime has been on the decline for the past decade.

That would make sense. The incarceration rate has gone way up.

[Sulla the Dictator]

You are confusing the South with the United States.


No, you're confusing modern black population dispersal with the even larger black populations which have historically lived in the South.


Keystone was talking about social disintegration.


Its interesting how Europe suffers more from 'social disintegration' with fewer blacks.


That would make sense. The incarceration rate has gone way up.

Then levels of crime are hardly at unprecidented highs, are they?

[Fade the Butcher]

No, you're confusing modern black population dispersal with the even larger black populations which have historically lived in the South.

That dispersal happened decades before the end of segregation in the American South (between the Civil War and the First World War). Millions of white Southerners also migrated to the Midwest to work in the industries there. Blacks had been voting in elections, marrying whites, attending schools with whites, and accumulating property in many American states long before segregation was abolished throughout the nation as a whole. The South was the exception in this trend.

Its interesting how Europe suffers more from 'social disintegration' with fewer blacks.

Blacks were probably more socially integrated during the 1950s than they are today.

Then levels of crime are hardly at unprecidented highs, are they?

You are confusing the crime rate with criminality. The crime rate is masked by the incarceration rate. Criminals are not out on the street committing violent crimes when they are locked away in prison. More blacks are in prison today than ever before in American history and they are staying there longer too. Criminality has actually risen considerably in the last forty years. The costs of criminality are just being transferred from individual victims to the state.

Impeccable logic. Isolate blacks from the general population and the crime rate goes down!

[Micaelis]

Dysfunction is not a racial phenomenon.

[Fade the Butcher]

Dysfunction is not a racial phenomenon.

There are dysfunctional individuals within all races. No one has ever suggested otherwise.

[Micaelis]

Thank you for the clarification. :)

[Fade the Butcher]

I will add that the level of feeblemindedness varies from race to race. If you were to examine the racial composition of retards in America, then you would notice shocking discrepancies.

[Micaelis]

I will add that the level of feeblemindedness varies from race to race. If you were to examine the racial composition of retards in America, then you would notice shocking discrepancies.

Feeblemindedness? What does that signify, exactly?

[Fade the Butcher]

Feeblemindedness? What does that signify, exactly?

http://www.thephora.net/forum/member.php?u=160

[Sulla the Dictator]

That dispersal happened decades before the end of segregation in the American South (between the Civil War and the First World War).


Bollocks. The population growth of African Americans in places like New York of course took off during the Harlem Renassaince, but expanded greatly during the Civil Rights struggle.

However, the population growth of African Americans in places like Detroit and Los Angeles and Baltimore and Washington grew by FACTORS during and after the Civil Rights struggle.


Millions of white Southerners also migrated to the Midwest to work in the industries there.


Who cares about them? They're not what we're talking about.


Blacks had been voting in elections, marrying whites, attending schools with whites, and accumulating property in many American states long before segregation was abolished throughout the nation as a whole. The South was the exception in this trend.


Blacks were also heavily settled in the South, much more so than now. If you DENY that, deny it instead of arguing around it in an effort to invalidate it.

Then we can go to the numbers.


Blacks were probably more socially integrated during the 1950s than they are today.


As second class citizens. :rolleyes:


You are confusing the crime rate with criminality.


You are confusing race with criminality.


The crime rate is masked by the incarceration rate.


The issue was:

unprecidented levels of crime and anti-social behaviour

Which you yourself have admitted isn't true.


Criminals are not out on the street committing violent crimes when they are locked away in prison. More blacks are in prison today than ever before in American history and they are staying there longer too.


Poverty is the breeding ground for crime. Poverty provides MOTIVE. Motive is an essential element of criminal activity. Inarguable.


Criminality has actually risen considerably in the last forty years.


Decreasing drastically in the last ten.

[Crowley]

Poverty is the breeding ground for crime. Poverty provides MOTIVE. Motive is an essential element of criminal activity. Inarguable.





Yeah, as if the richest negroes in the world are not US citizens. :rolleyes:

[Micaelis]

Poverty is the breeding ground for crime. Poverty provides MOTIVE. Motive is an essential element of criminal activity. Inarguable.


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M>C
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This logic is valid, Sulla. Poverty is not a necessary condition for crime. It is sufficient, meaning that all crime is not commited by paupers, though poverty does give an economic motive for crime. Poverty is not the breeding ground for crime, but a breeding ground for crime.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Yeah, as if the richest negroes in the world are not US citizens. :rolleyes:

America is the wealthiest nation on Earth. The relative status of people living in the richest nation on Earth compared to people living in the poorest nations on Earth is irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion.

[Sulla the Dictator]

This logic is valid, Sulla. Poverty is not a necessary condition for crime. It is sufficient, meaning that all crime is not commited by paupers, though poverty does give an economic motive for crime.

Quite correct.

[Micaelis]

We may also add that race as such is not a cause of crime. One's being-black does not make being more predisposed to crime than one's being-white. There must be a psychological factor involved, such as poverty or psychopathology, that generates a motive for commiting a crime.

[Lionheart]

I think it's only natural for Blacks not to succeed in what is an ultimately foreign environment. Even if they are given the oppurtunity, that does not mean that they will able to put it to use. Further, I think blacks would greatly benefit from a sort of nationalistic isolation in which they would be able to create their own society, tinker around with it, see what works and what doesn't, learn from their own mistakes, and thus grow as a people.

[Fade the Butcher]

Bollocks. The population growth of African Americans in places like New York of course took off during the Harlem Renassaince, but expanded greatly during the Civil Rights struggle. However, the population growth of African Americans in places like Detroit and Los Angeles and Baltimore and Washington grew by FACTORS during and after the Civil Rights struggle.

You don't seem to know much about American history (as we have seen in previous debates). Let me give you a lesson. :)

http://www.factmonster.com/spot/bhmcities1.html

"In what became known as the Great Migration, blacks poured off the farms in search of urban jobs. Between 1915 and 1920 as many as one million African Americans moved to northern cities. Nearly another million joined them in the decade that followed. In addition, tens of thousands of blacks went west, especially to California, while several hundred thousand moved to southern cities.

Although the Great Migration slowed during the Depression, nearly one-fourth of all blacks lived in the North or West by 1940. The trend continued during and after World War II. By 1960, 40% of all blacks lived outside the South, while 75% of all blacks lived in cities."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

"The Great Migration is a term used to describe the mass migration of African Americans from the southern United States to the industrial centers of the Northeast and Midwest between the 1910s and 1960s. The Great Migration also initiated the change from a primarily rural to a predominantly urban lifestyle for African Americans. The routes north came to be known as the "chicken bone express," because of the supposed litter left by the migrants from their lunches by the side of the road as they moved. . .

The scope of the mass migration is best seen in Detroit, Michigan, a city which, during World War II, earned the title of "Arsenal of Democracy" for its contribution to the war effort. In 1910, the African American population of Detroit was just 6,000, but this jumped to 120,000 by the time of the Stock Market Crash of 1929. Other cities, such as Chicago and New York City also experienced enormous surges in their African American population."

Who cares about them? They're not what we're talking about.

They were part of the same mass movement of which you seem to be entirely ignorant.

Blacks were also heavily settled in the South, much more so than now.

No one denies this. The fact of the matter is that a substantial number of blacks were living in the North decades before segregation was brought down in the South.

If you DENY that, deny it instead of arguing around it in an effort to invalidate it. Then we can go to the numbers.

I would be more than happy to.

As second class citizens.

They shared more in common with Southern whites than they do today. The South has come to resemble the North since the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement. This can be seen in the transformation of cities like New Orleans and Birmingham which used to be very mixed into sharp racially exclusive zones. The supreme irony of the Civil Rights Movement is that the end of formal segregation heralded the end of substantial integration.

You are confusing race with criminality.

This is a straw man.

Which you yourself have admitted isn't true.

Keystone's point was poorly formulated. I will grant that. I clarified that by distinguishing between the crime rate and criminality.

Poverty is the breeding ground for crime. Poverty provides MOTIVE. Motive is an essential element of criminal activity. Inarguable.

Whatever. Blacks are far wealthier today than they were several generations ago, but the incarceration rate of blacks has skyrocketed.

Decreasing drastically in the last ten.

Intellectual Brownshirt. I like that phrase. Keystone was right. You are wrong. :p

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007348

"A rough operational measure of criminality is the percentage of the population under correctional supervision. This is less sensitive to changes in correctional fashion than imprisonment rates, since people convicted of a crime get some sort of correctional supervision regardless of the political climate. When Ronald Reagan took office, 0.9% of the population was under correctional supervision. That figure has continued to rise. When crime began to fall in 1992, it stood at 1.9%. In 2003 it was 2.4%. Crime has dropped, but criminality has continued to rise."

[Crowley]

America is the wealthiest nation on Earth. The relative status of people living in the richest nation on Earth compared to people living in the poorest nations on Earth is irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion.


Bullshit. Poverty and wealth are absolute values. Either you have enough to eat or you don't. Kids that commit crime for tennis shoes that cost $250.00 don't fucking count. Sheesh, I despise this culture. :rolleyes:

[Crowley]

And worthless black adults who expect to be at the top end of yuppie consumerism without working and call it "poverty" don't fucking count.
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[Anima Eternae]

Feeblemindedness? What does that signify, exactly?

http://www.thephora.net/forum/member.php?u=160

LOL!!! :rofl:

[President Camacho]

Poverty is the breeding ground for crime. Poverty provides MOTIVE. Motive is an essential element of criminal activity. Inarguable.
Is there a way out of this poverty, or is the System holding them down?

[Keystone]

Keystone's point was poorly formulated. I will grant that. I clarified that by distinguishing between the crime rate and criminality.

I didn't "formulate" anything. I know it. Blacks commit crimes here like they're going out of style. They've ruined the schools. They shoot each other at school. Regularly. They blight every neighborhood they touch. Whites leave because they are afraid of the violence and the coarseness that comes with inner city blacks. They don't want to be involved in it. The black folk who are fed up with it leave too. What do you have left?

Arguing the fine points of criminality vs crime rate is a joke to us that live here. We just want it to stop.

[Crowley]

We just want it to stop.

It's never going to stop. With notable exceptions, black people are by nature especially aggressive and animalistic compared to any other group, especially whites and Asians. Letting white children associate with black children is literally throwing them in with the animals.

[Fade the Butcher]

We just want it to stop.

You reap what you sow. Why should anyone here feel sorry for you?

[Fade the Butcher]

It can be stopped. See Maine, North Dakota, Iowa, and Wyoming.

[Crowley]

It can be stopped. See Maine, North Dakota, Iowa, and Wyoming.

Ah yes, I grew up in Iowa.

[Fade the Butcher]

Ah yes, I grew up in Iowa.

I grew up in Alabama. We have a much bigger race problem on our hands.

[Crowley]

I grew up in Alabama. We have a much bigger race problem on our hands.

I have been in California for 25 years so I understand race problems, but at least where I live we are not inundated with blacks, although ghetto culture, thanks to the media, rules supreme over the minds of your average youth.