The absurdities of capitalist logic

[spartacus]

I was at a political discussion with the democracy for America in Cambridge, MA.
The talk was with a state senator who is running for district attorney. His main talk was about crime and how we can prevent it, and how we can fight it better by not putting them into prisons where they just learn how to be better criminals. That's a good point. However it dawned on me how is it that our use of the law is so seperrated from our understanding of why people commit crimes in the first place. We are arresting people, and calling them bad people throwing them into inhumane conditions(that we could easily better by changing our prison structures) when they are the victims of socfial circomstance. Ask yourself this do white middle class kids join gangs? do they kill people? Well the answer is this not much when compared to the exreme gang warfare talked about in the meeting. And when they do it is merely the result of a social factor not because they are bad or deserve to be thrown into a jail to be raped. What kind of a message does that send to the kids? The plight of modern society is that we are all not rich. How do capatalists go about asking themselves so dumblywhy do people commit crimes why do they steel? Right now what we need is a mix of capitalist principles with socialist upholstering. That way every one can be rich (or atleast relatively rich) as compared to pure communism in wich everyone is relatively poor. We also need to make sure that the leaders in Africa don't continue murdering their people by rejecting much needed genetically altered food. However efforts should be made for a glorius new furture where every one is rich and nobody has to work and nobody will be bound like a slave his very existance determined by a master, he will be the master with robots and technology will do his work and make sure that he lives like a king.

Long Live a righteous logical and understanding humanity

[Jim West]

Yeah, but niggers have positively ghastly BO. How you ever gonna fix THAT problem?http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-020.gif



MAZDAK EDIT:cute but not here, jimmy

[Billy Score]

Spartacus that is not an absurd capitalistic logic that is an absurd liberal logic. Criminals should not be rehabilitated, they should be punished. The rehabilitation mentality is the most warped and perverse thing i can imagine. Instead of attaching a penalty to crime, we are taught that criminals need "understanding" and instead of looking down upon them for their crime and chastising them we are taught to waste money and time feeding them, and telling them they "aren't bad people". No. Against the wall with them! Why should a rapist or a child molestor be given the opportunity to rehabilitate? do they deserve it? Why should they be getting more attention, have more money spent on them by the state than the good citizen who has a clean record?

[Roland]

I believe Spartacus was inquiring into the causalist theories that capitalists ascribe to criminals. Spartacus was aiming at an obviously materialist analysis of crime by stating that economically privileged whites do not commit as many crimes as impoverished negros.

Certainly economics is to blame for some of the gang behavior, but I do believe that blacks are in a much more privileged position now than they were during slavery. Enslaved blacks were not gangbangers to my knowledge; therefore there must be a multiplicity of underlying causes for the criminality of identity-obsessed groups.

I think tribalism, manifested in the form of the gang, is a reaction justified or unjustified, to perceived social oppression. I think it is a political ideology (a friend-enemy distinction) that doesn't necessarily emerge from a material or justified cause.

Regarding punishing rapists and other predators. I agree that they should be exterminated.

[Leif]

I was at a political discussion with the democracy for America in Cambridge, MA.
The talk was with a state senator who is running for district attorney. His main talk was about crime and how we can prevent it, and how we can fight it better by not putting them into prisons where they just learn how to be better criminals. That's a good point. However it dawned on me how is it that our use of the law is so seperrated from our understanding of why people commit crimes in the first place. We are arresting people, and calling them bad people throwing them into inhumane conditions(that we could easily better by changing our prison structures) when they are the victims of socfial circomstance. Ask yourself this do white middle class kids join gangs? do they kill people? Well the answer is this not much when compared to the exreme gang warfare talked about in the meeting. And when they do it is merely the result of a social factor not because they are bad or deserve to be thrown into a jail to be raped. What kind of a message does that send to the kids? The plight of modern society is that we are all not rich. How do capatalists go about asking themselves so dumblywhy do people commit crimes why do they steel? Right now what we need is a mix of capitalist principles with socialist upholstering. That way every one can be rich (or atleast relatively rich) as compared to pure communism in wich everyone is relatively poor. We also need to make sure that the leaders in Africa don't continue murdering their people by rejecting much needed genetically altered food. However efforts should be made for a glorius new furture where every one is rich and nobody has to work and nobody will be bound like a slave his very existance determined by a master, he will be the master with robots and technology will do his work and make sure that he lives like a king.

I agree, it is futile to fight crime without ending its causes. There is an incentive, a positive reinforcement to commit crimes as there is reinforcement to do any activity. Assuming we exterminate those with mental disorders (kleptomaniacs, pyromaniacs, serial killers), it will be a matter of giving more incentive to behave in a non-criminal fashion.

There is also the problem of ridiculous legislation. We need far more sane, yet far less, legal codes. Something akin to the Ten Commandments with proper explanations.

Criminals should not be rehabilitated, they should be punished. The rehabilitation mentality is the most warped and perverse thing i can imagine. Instead of attaching a penalty to crime, we are taught that criminals need "understanding" and instead of looking down upon them for their crime and chastising them we are taught to waste money and time feeding them, and telling them they "aren't bad people". No. Against the wall with them! Why should a rapist or a child molestor be given the opportunity to rehabilitate? do they deserve it? Why should they be getting more attention, have more money spent on them by the state than the good citizen who has a clean record?

We shouldn't punish for the mere sake of punishing... If punishment serves as a deterrent and means of rehabilitating, then we should pursue it. Otherwise, it would be a waste to kill someone without taking into account the amount society has invested in them and the possible later return on that investment. Indiscriminate executions do not take into account that some cases are merely one-time offenders, who if given the proper reinforcement can be placed back into society.

"Man has not evolved as an ethical or moral animal. He has evolved to the point at which he has constructed an ethical or moral culture. He differs not from other animals by possessing a moral or ethical sense but in having been able to generate a moral or ethical social environment." -B.F. Skinner, Beyond Freedom and Dignity, pg. 175

[Helios Panoptes]

To lessen crime, it is not necessary to line people up against the wall. Rather, eliminate their privacy. Make them subject to constant surveillance or at least make them fear that they could be survelled at any moment.

[Kodos]

I was at a political discussion with the democracy for America in Cambridge, MA.

ROTFLMAO... limosine commies of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your lattes.

[Roland]

We shouldn't punish for the mere sake of punishing... If punishment serves as a deterrent and means of rehabilitating, then we should pursue it. Otherwise, it would be a waste to kill someone without taking into account the amount society has invested in them and the possible later return on that investment. Indiscriminate executions do not take into account that some cases are merely one-time offenders, who if given the proper reinforcement can be placed back into society.

I agree to the extent that there exists a society that collectively reaps benefits from individuals, and simultaneously focuses resources on the development of the individual. Modern society is far from this and I believe that we exist in a war of all against all; therefore, any possible threat to my children should be immediately exterminated. If a one time offender damages my children, I believe he should be executed for I am not ready to sacrifice the honor of my children for the betterment of a nonexistant community.