Why I left VNN [Archive]

Mike Jahn

03-11-2009, 09:22 AM

Ambrosio Spinola

03-11-2009, 09:53 AM

Welcome for all its worth.
You will find that at the Phora we also have our soapoperas and lounge type of members more interested in chit chat, the shout box than the highbrow sections. This is IMO normal if it does not infect and drag down our "decent" areas.

Make yourself a home :)

Julian Curtis Lee

03-11-2009, 09:56 AM

I quit posting there because I think they give White racialist attitudes a bad image in the eyes of the average intelligent White person. They are needlessly negative in speech. Too vile, obscene, and quick to slander. Like locker room boys. The whole place fails to express a sense of nobility or class, and if we as a people have no nobility or class, there's not much worth fighting for. In a word, they are not gentlemen. (Cultivated men with ethics.) They are too prone to attacking one another, and anybody else that doesn't conform to their particular brand of crude speech. Half of what they do is tear and attack at each other, which is in fact one of the worst and fatal White tendencies. I am sure there are some good men posting over there. But the general feel you get is that of a swarm of hornets or a den of jackals. A certain turnoff to a lot of Whites who might otherwise warm to the cause. I think 50 percent of the thing's just some pretty good men who are under some bad moral leadership. They probably have a few excellent young men posting over there. It's sad, and it's always made me think their founder, if not simply a vulgar and negative sort of fellow, is instead a point man for the opposition. VNN certainly does not make White racialism attractive, and yet, such can be done; such can be done.

Cargo Cult Messiah

03-11-2009, 11:11 AM

VNNF is too tolerant of and encourages mouth breathers, knuckle draggers, assorted paranoiacs, dirt eaters, 'tards of all stripes, and ne'er-do-wells in general, unfortunately.

ogenoct

03-11-2009, 11:23 AM

mouth breathers, knuckle draggers, assorted paranoiacs, dirt eaters, 'tards of all stripes, and ne'er-do-wells in general

That is the definition of the White nationalist "movement."

ogenoct

03-11-2009, 11:25 AM

I promoted the concept of Whites standing together as one against the forces of International Jewry who want to destroy all of us whether we have blond hair, brown hair, black hair, and so on....

That is typically teenager high school mentality right there. Have fun in la-la land! Do you play a lot of fantasy roleplaying games?

Arrow Cross

03-11-2009, 11:37 AM

That is typically teenager high school mentality right there. Have fun in la-la land! Do you play a lot of fantasy roleplaying games?
Play? You create them.

http://nationalfuturism.org/

Jake Featherston

03-11-2009, 11:57 AM

That is typically teenager high school mentality right there. Have fun in la-la land! Do you play a lot of fantasy roleplaying games?

You're one to talk. I mean, no offense, but there's more than a whiff of the LARP to some of your more serious posts. Just because you love Jews, and are thus able to avoid some of the criticism run-of-the-mill WNist-types have to endure, you shouldn't try and assume some exalted status. I mean, there are only a few million Jews on the planet, and you embrace them. Whoop-de-fucking-doo for you! Meanwhile, what about the rest of the White race, whom you almost never mention? If they're not of zero interest to you, then maybe you should try devoting one-tenth the attention to them you devote to the Jews?

I've never had a problem with you, and I've enjoyed some of your posts (even some the eccentric, LARPesque ones), but with all due respect, I'm frankly getting more than a little tired of you and that Marinesko character periodically showing up here, and insulting everyone, and being basically as unpleasant, rude, and just plain fucking mean to everyone you can, at every opportunity. Especially new posters like this, I've long ago noted. You guys love to mock and put down anyone new who shows up at this board. Well, you know, if everyone on this board is so stupid, ignorant, bigoted, etc., then guess what? MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! Otherwise, stick around. Hell, its your choice either way. But please quit going out of your way to be an asshole to people merely because they adhere to some approximate sub-set of an ideological orientation of which you do not approve. Particularly new posters (and please don't insult my intelligence by denying the fact you and Marinesko* target new posters for abuse; I've seen it too many times for it to be a coincidence).

*Maybe you don't know what Marinesko does, but I suspect the two of you compare notes. I won't even bother to ask Marinesko to quit acting like a jerk to everyone here; one might as well request the Sun cease rising in the east. So take my remarks in this post as a sort of backhanded compliment, if you will.

Jake Featherston

03-11-2009, 12:07 PM

The final straw came tonight when I told the forum that I have an Indian ancestor on my mother's side of the family from 1850 or earlier, now this is only one ancestor keep in my mind...immediately I was called a Non-White, a Mud, etc..

The men in my mother's family were involved in the Klan from the 1900's-1930's and here are VNN'ers telling me that I'm not White.

While my grandfather's genealogical research was not fully conclusive in this regard, its possible I may be something like 1/64th, or even 1/128th, Mohawk Indian, or perhaps Algonquian (I'm not really sure). Probably the majority of Americans of old line ethnic descent (which I basically define as English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, the Ulster Protestants we calls "Scots-Irish," French, Dutch, Flemish, and maybe some Spaniards) have some faint trace of Injun ancestry, unless they're recent arrivals. People who call a White man who is, say, 31/32nds Nordic & Celtic, and 1/32nd Cherokee, "a mud," are too stupid to take seriously.

At VNN they won't even allow you to be attracted to Mediterranean women!

Imbeciles.

guy

03-11-2009, 01:08 PM

it possible I may be something like 1/64th, or even 1/128, Mohawk Indian, or perhaps Algonquian (I'm not really sure).
http://media.sheknows.com/articles/Sutherland-body-snatcher.jpg

Mike Jahn

03-11-2009, 01:42 PM

While my grandfathers genealogical research was not fully conclusive in this regard, it possible I may be something like 1/64th, or even 1/128, Mohawk Indian, or perhaps Algonquian (I'm not really sure). Probably the majority of Americans of old line ethnic descent (which I basically define as English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, the Ulster Protestants we calls "Scots-Irish," French, Dutch, and Flemish) have some faint trace of Injun ancestry, unless they're recent arrivals. People who call a White man who is, say, 31/32nds Nordic & Celtic, and 1/32nd Cherokee, "a mud," are too stupid to take seriously.

Yes, I'm sure that is very common among American Whites. I've known many Americans with Indian ancestry who have blue eyes. Contrary to what the leftist propaganda would lead people to believe, most of these folks consider themselves White. I knew a tennis professor in college who would joke with the students about being able to predict when it was going to rain because he was part-Indian but he certainly didn't use his Indian background for a "Hate Whitey" agenda. I think White Nationalists focus too much on "blood purity" and not enough on the social incentives that are the more significant factor throughout society. If Whites weren't hated in the media few people would seek to overly identify with the minority part of themselves. The same case holds for the Jewish issue: there are thousands of 1/16 Jews walking around thinking they would have died in the Holocaust, it has become that ridiculous.

guy

03-11-2009, 01:57 PM

I think White Nationalists focus too much on "blood purity" and not enough on the social incentives that are the more significant factor throughout society. If Whites weren't hated in the media few people would seek to overly identify with the minority part of themselves. The same case holds for the Jewish issue: there are thousands of 1/16 Jews walking around thinking they would have died in the Holocaust, it has become that ridiculous.
I think WNs focus too much on Whites being hated and Holocausted.

Jake Featherston

03-11-2009, 02:58 PM

I think WNs focus too much on Whites being hated and Holocausted.

Perhaps, but if things don't change, Iceland will be the only country where we're a majority by 2100. Its hard not to see that as anything other than us dying out. Maybe its natural for us to die out; we've had a good run, after all. But the media should stop trying to close the coffin on us before we're gone. I suspect if we straightened out a few problems with the media, and got some Buchanan-types in charge of our governments again, the White race's future would look a whole lot brighter.

Susan

03-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Mike, I could take your complaints about YOUR treatment as much more credible if you weren't one of the main ones who prevented me from posting serious posts on VNN. You were one of the main ones who, every time I tried to say something, retorted back with "you're a jew, troll, lesbian, feminist, old hag", or one of the other ridiculous things that a small number of you guys over there continued to hound me with. And, for the record, I am none of those things. I am a White woman who has been trying to post on serious topics for some time, AND get involved in some activism, where possible. Forget activism, unless I just want to do it myself.

Up until just recently, and perhaps STILL, you and the others over there were accusing me of being Mack Bartlow and/or Summer and/or whoever else came along that didn't say everything that you all thought measured up. SEE HOW THAT WORKS BOTH WAYS MIKE? Now, YOU are on the receiving end of their vitriol and hatred and silliness. Doesn't feel so good does it? But, as with me, there's not really much you can do about it except to leave.

Jett, too, was banned from VNN because they believed him to be a jew or troll or some such thing. I have no idea about jett. I have somewhat changed my mind about jett, and think he is just rather odd.:confused: But for all I really know, he could be anything. But, his posts on VNN were not ban worthy. They just didn't like him. The same with Sean Doc Martin. There are certain posters who for one reason or another get their ire up, and then it's a free for all, with everyone joining in. And these are supposedly adults.

As far as having someone nonWhite waaaaaaaay back, I don't really care about that, as long as you SEE yourself as White, conduct yourself as White, and, where possible, work for White concerns. Sometimes, it all gets a little silly, frankly. When I posted on 1488folks.com, there was a White female (or so we thought) who was one of the main contributors with excellent articles submitted every day, was married to a White man and was raising her children to be White. All of a sudden she was banned. The two women from VNN, who together run the 1488 website, had banned this woman. We were all told, finally, that she had admitted to them that her great grandmother or grandmother was 100% Cherokee. So, she was banned from the website. Apparently, she admitted she knew about her Cherokee heritage when she claimed to be White.

Most agreed with the decision. I don't remember if there was disagreement from anyone, or if anyone dared to say they disagreed, about the ban. I didn't say anything, but I thought it was ridiculous. Yes, I want the overwhelming majority of people on any proWhite website to be as White as they possibly can be. Do we ALL know if we have someone somewhere WAAAAAY back who wasn't all White? I assume all my ancestors were White, but I can't say with 100% certainty. I mean, everyone in my family looks White, and we all are White as far back as anyone knows. That is all I can say.

But for this woman, who was part Cherokee to be banned, when she considered herself White and was raising her children to be White and contributed greatly to the discussion of pro White issues, I thought was excessive. But for this opinion alone, I would be considered a traitor, an anti, a jew, or other some such nonsense on VNN by most. The ironic thing is that many here consider me to be excessive in my pro White beliefs.

Now, don't get me wrong on all of this. Anyone who has a parent who is non White is not White. That person is biracial. And I want no blacks among any of these pro White forums or websites that claim to be Pro White. I do not consider blacks to be on any par with White people. And, however anyone else feels about it, I consider anyone with any black blood in him or her to be black. Period. Sorry. Go start your own biracial group, but don't muddy up White ones. Obama is a perfect example of this. Under no circumstances would he be considered to be White, even though his mother was White.

Back to VNN: It is unfortunate that so many of those who make up that forum are so embarrassing to Whites and so hostile to anyone who disagrees with what they perceive to be "the truth". I get embarrassed, personally, when I read grown White men write things about being a soldier on the "front" and having White women who have slept with blacks used as "comfort" women (rape/sex objects), or fighting a war for Whites and after we've won, having White women "distributed" among the remaining White warriors. Huh???? Where does this nonsense come from? It is embarrassing to say the least.

As far as the Phora goes, the air over here is a little clearer, yes, but it is not all THAT clear. There are still trolls, disrupters, petty infighting, etc. But, yes, it is more enjoyable than posting at VNN. Every day it's a battle for me to stay here. One of these days I just might not return when all the needless hounding gets to be too much of a pain in the ass.

On the issue of White men being attracted to non White women, are you willing to then accept White women who are attracted to non White men? Personally, I don't want White men or women to be involved with anyone but another White person or assumed White person. That is the only way to insure White children.

In conclusion, it's not as if posting on a forum is a necessity of life, after all. It's just a habit. Habits can be broken.

Sudaev

03-11-2009, 03:37 PM

:stan:

Good God, lady - enough with VNN already. Just give it a rest.

ogenoct

03-11-2009, 03:40 PM

1488folks.com

LOL! Are you making this up?

Susan

03-11-2009, 04:12 PM

Sudaev: Are you retarded or what? This thread is titled "Why I left VNN".

What IS your problem?

But, hey, thanks for giving illustration to one of my points. Geez.............

And, no, ogenoct, I am NOT kidding. There really is a website called 1488folks, and I met some extremely nice and pleasant White men and women while I was posting there. They were much more pleasant and friendly on the whole than anywhere else I have posted. In fact, I really miss the friendships I was making there.

harjit

03-11-2009, 04:18 PM

Sudaev: Are you retarded or what? This thread is titled "Why I left VNN".

What IS your problem?
Sudra's very raison d'etre on this board is to harass people he doesn't like. His contribution as a poster is next to worthless.

Ambrosio Spinola

03-11-2009, 04:28 PM

I´m about fed up with old hands who believe they are beyond moderation.

Starr

03-11-2009, 05:14 PM

I spent over 5 years at VNN (7,000 posts) and in that time I've posted a lot of news articles, discussed a great deal of history, etc...

At some point I started to feel that I was wasting my time. When you post a history article in the VNN history section you are lucky if you get 100 members look at in a month. Most VNNers just want to read the daily news story of some Black somewhere in America robbed___killed____

Last night I went to VNN and deleted an IHR article I had posted about Stalin's planned invasion of Europe in the summer of 1941, I thought, "why bother? They won't read it." Shockingly even VNN's Englishmen posters have no desire to talk about their own history.

There are plenty of people here that will want to discuss these topics with you, so you have come to the right place. Here, you can talk in detail with others about subjects like you describe and then also jump into a thread about negroes. The best of both worlds, so to speak.:p

More and more I found myself becoming a clown, just goofing off over there or getting involved in the mini soap opera conflicts they have between members. In the back of my mind I knew I was only doing this because I was burned out, the atmosphere there just isn't satisfying. The other huge problem with VNNers is that they consider any criticism of Whites as Jewish or troll behavior. In their narrow world view Whites are fine, they've just been misled, I don't see it that way at all. In my opinion Whites have free will, they simply don't use it. No magical fairy fell from the sky and told Whites to stop reading books or that the answers to life were to be found in Hollywood movies and on TV.

This has always irritated the hell out of me as well and has led to me being called a jew as well. It is an easier way to look at things for people to think that there is no real problem with whites. "take care of the jews and everything will fall into place." I really do wish things were that simple, myself. Common sense doesn't allow me to think in such terms, however. Every problem we currently have is due to some outside group. To think in the way of some people requires you to hold both the belief that whites are a great and superior people and also the biggest most naive idiots in the world. Keystone calls it the gentile/stupid giant theory or something to that effect.

The final straw came tonight when I told the forum that I have an Indian ancestor on my mother's side of the family from 1850 or earlier, now this is only one ancestor keep in my mind...immediately I was called a Non-White, a Mud, etc..

The men in my mother's family were involved in the Klan from the 1900's-1930's and here are VNN'ers telling me that I'm not White.

Nearly any and every white person out there would look at someone with ancestory of this type to be white. No question. 0.0000001 with think something else. And it is the larger white community and their views on who is and who is not one of them who ultimately matters. If you look white, identify as a white person, it is beyond ridiculous for people to consider you to be anything else because of one indian ancestor long ago in the woodpile. As I said yesterday on vnn, if it were a negro in the woodpile, it would be different at least in my eyes. I cannot bring myself to feel anything different about that.

It isn't simply a matter of what they called me, I see something symbolic in it...VNN and the White Nationalist movement in general are infected with a kind of teenager high school mentality of each person wanting to feel superior to the others...they've got to be the purest of the pure, the most Aryan of the Aryans...and what is it all for? For an ego trip, plain and simple, ego and nothing more...there are no practical benefits to adopting this exclusive attitude, you won't recruit new members by creating a climate of intimidation in which everyone sits around wondering "Am I White enough?"

Lots of people seem to live in some kind of fantasy where they want to be seen as the most Aryan of Aryans and also the biggest hard core bad ass. The atmosphere of vnn is going to draw people like this and also require people who are not like this to adopt a certain attitude to conform to this. The "movement" in general is bound to draw these kinds of people since a small but decent amount, unforunately are drawn to pro white views simply as a rebellion in a society that says such views are some kind of ultimate evil. People who are the real deal but are still drawn to the movement for these reasons will mature out of this hollywood nazi attitude with time.

what doesn't work is the behavior of VNNers......any Italian having dark hair is automatically declared an Arab or Jew. At VNN they won't even allow you to be attracted to Mediterranean women!

I would be in trouble also then as I have a slight preference for Italian looking males and others of that general type.

Mike Jahn

03-11-2009, 05:28 PM

Thanks to everyone for the support (Jake, Susan, Starr, etc.)

Susan, I won't call you "Mack Bartlow" anymore. :)

I'm seeing a lot of administrators here which to me signifies a more mature environment.

I'm new here, someone get rid of the second "the" in this post heading....LOL

Mary Magdalene

03-11-2009, 05:48 PM

I'm fairly new here myself MIke..
But welcome.:)

Mike Jahn

03-11-2009, 05:55 PM

I'm fairly new here myself MIke..
But welcome.:)

Thank you, I'm glad to be here and it is a pleasure to meet you! :)

elbwgreez

03-11-2009, 06:03 PM

Whites. I've known many Americans with Indian ancestry who have blue eyes.

If you look at the people (even chiefs) who call themselves Indians and run casinos, you will find many of them with light eyes and White features. Even among themselves, the Whiter ones seem to rise to the top.

Also, for whatever reason the eastern Indian tribes look more like White people in general. Whether this is from more years of miscegenation as Whites gradually moved west, or because there was more White blood in the eastern tribes from a long time ago I do not know.

Susan

03-11-2009, 10:19 PM

Thank you Mike. You have NO idea how much that means to me to think that someone finally believes that I am NOT Mack Bartlow.

Oh, and by the way, I saw your outgoing threads. At least you went out with a bang!!!!!

I see nothing wrong with bringing up VNN where necessary or pertinent. Many of us came from there or spend time there still. I try not to obsess over it though. For me, limiting my time here and not spending hours online seems to help me keep it in perspective. The internet can become all consuming.......and that's not good.

odin

03-11-2009, 11:32 PM

If you look at the people (even chiefs) who call themselves Indians and run casinos, you will find many of them with light eyes and White features. Even among themselves, the Whiter ones seem to rise to the top.Except for that indian casino in Connecticut. Those are all niggers claiming to be injuns.

Jake Featherston

03-11-2009, 11:37 PM

Except for that indian casino in Connecticut. Those are all niggers claiming to be injuns.

In fairness, there was a lot of miscegenation between Blacks and Injuns (the average Black in the USA is 1/4th White, 1/8th Injun, and only 5/8ths African), and just like with Whites, their genes tend to be disproportionately dominant, for whatever reason. Although I'm not sure how much Black-Injun miscegenation there was in Connecticut.

odin

03-12-2009, 01:43 AM

In fairness, there was a lot of miscegenation between Blacks and Injuns (the average Black in the USA is 1/4th White, 1/8th Injun, and only 5/8ths African), and just like with Whites, their genes tend to be disproportionately dominant, for whatever reason. Although I'm not sure how much Black-Injun miscegenation there was in Connecticut.
The Connecticut nig-juns never considered themselves "indian" until one found some distant relative who had been a member of a long dead tribe. All of a sudden thousands of niggers crawled out of the woodpile claiming tribal rights. Lawsuits abounded. From a dead indian tribe to being the richest "indian" tribe in history in 30 years.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ISBN=9780060931964&ourl=Without%2DReservation%2FJeff%2DBenedict

Macrobius

03-12-2009, 02:12 AM

Welcome for all its worth.
You will find that at the Phora we also have our soapoperas and lounge type of members more interested in chit chat, the shout box than the highbrow sections. ...

True enough, but then there's a reason for that.

leondegrance

03-12-2009, 02:52 AM

It's tough to run into a white today that doesn't claim to have injun blood. It seems to be the chic thing to be (part injun). Every black claims to be part injun.

Jett

03-12-2009, 03:01 AM

The Admin and sole moderator at VNNF is a boy in college who was raised by a single mother, doesn't know his father, and who only came to racialism because he listened to some obscure heavy metal subgenera thats lyrics focused on fantasy images of paganism and oddly enough National Socialism. He is a mamas boy who surrounds himself with dominant females and pussy-whipped males in his chatroom. He very much reminds me of Stormfront's JohnJoyTree with his unquestionable bias in favor of female forum members in every situation regardless of fault.

VNN Forum was once a completely unmoderated free speech board, new people could register an account and be posting with everyone in just a few minutes. Thats when I first joined back in the summer of 2003 after getting tired of the moderation and sign up hurdles at Stormfront. We had new people signing up every day and just jumping into a thread with their perspective.

Today, VNNF just lives off the reputation of its golden days.

VNNF is now just a putrid stagnant swamp of circle jerks who have rolled up the welcome mat long ago and just want to slap each other on the back all day.

Mike

03-12-2009, 04:57 AM

A couple points:

Varg is a decent guy doing a thankless job, but the fact of the matter is that VNNF's back was broken for good, back during the mass exodus caused by a certain propaganda stunt that backfired, that Linder refused to apologize for or denounce.

As far as Jahn, he got steamed and left of his own accord, not because of Varg. It should be noted that before he left, Jahn crapped all over VNNF, trying to force a ban. Hopefully Jahn doesn't repeat those actions when he gets steamed here. Of course, you never know which way the wind's blowing with injuns.

Thomas777

03-12-2009, 05:05 AM

A couple points:

Varg is a decent guy doing a thankless job, but the fact of the matter is that the forum's back was broken for good, back during the mass exodus caused by a certain propaganda stunt that backfired, that Linder refused to apologize for or denounce.

Linder doesn't want to succeed. The porn stunt was just another example of his degeneration. Its depressing because I used to like arguing with Linder on his forum as recently as a few months ago. He's one of the sharpest people I've interacted with on these foums, and he has a lot of ability for writing. Unfortunately, he's genuinely crazy.

Starr

03-12-2009, 05:15 AM

The porn thing was just plain weird. I do not know who he thought this was going to appeal to. The type of people who frequented VNN at the time already hate interracial porn, they don't need to see it for this to be the case and visitors to the site either won't care or won't get the point and will be turned away by the images. Anyone and everyone also knows that it exists. No need to shove it in people's faces. Some people really need to let go of the idea that shock tactics are always a good in themelves. This is not the case.

Mike

03-12-2009, 05:23 AM

Linder doesn't want to succeed.Oh, I totally agree. Before that stunt, I could always attribute VNN's setbacks to earnest mistakes or people who betrayed him (and yes there were some). After that stunt it was crystal clear that Linder does not want success, not even that small success measured by the respect and appreciation of one's fan base. Linder is self-destructive, and like you I find that sad.

Jett

03-12-2009, 05:32 AM

Mike Jahn

03-12-2009, 05:58 AM

Oh please, that interracial pic was a non-issue.

VNNF is stagnant.

It has turned into a social club instead of a discussion board.

Varg has begun changing his forum friends usernames to fantasy names, clearly a violation of the rules.

Varg is openly flouting Alex Linders wishes.

Varg is allied with the VOR crowd that has mocked Alex Linder on their site. Faust and Varg are already drawing up plans to hijack the forum from Linder.

I wouldn't doubt it. Faust openly flaunts his friendship with Dietrich on Linder's own VNN airwaves even going as far as playing Dietrich's voice in clips on the new VNN FTL shows. The same Dietrich who stated on VOR that Linder is a lazy bum who refuses to work for a living.

Since I'm done with VNN I'll say something else about Faust, he's immature and not very intelligent. He has one thing going for him--a voice people consider cool, that's what VNN has become, just a place to hangout with the cool people.

Mike

03-12-2009, 05:59 AM

Notice how Mike tries to come of as a casual bystander, Mike is a worm.
You're a flake seeking revenge through gossip and lies because you were banned. I was offering some truthful observations because I actually remember VNN from its very beginning. Why don't you go write another whiny post on your futile blog.

Mike Jahn

03-12-2009, 06:06 AM

You're a flake seeking revenge through gossip and lies because you were banned. I was offering some truthful observations because I actually remember VNN from its very beginning. Why don't you go write another whiny post on your futile blog.

Only you would justify propelling the smug surfer DUDE Dietrich above Linder in the White Nationalist movement. What Dietrich did was absolute betrayal. Dietrich obsessively studied the way Linder talked and plotted to become Linder in order to devour him. I've heard Dietrich repeat whole Linder paragraphs that he memorized, it is simply demonic.

Jett

03-12-2009, 06:10 AM

Mike Jahn

03-12-2009, 06:14 AM

Maybe I will on my blog that is getting 1500 views a day.

Get a look at this, a member of Varg's knitting circle (Summer) is accusing Steve B of being a Jew

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=956931#post956931

Mike

03-12-2009, 06:21 AM

Only you would justify propelling the smug surfer DUDE Dietrich above Linder in the White Nationalist movement. What Dietrich did was absolute betrayal. Dietrich obsessively studied the way Linder talked and plotted to become Linder in order to devour him. I've heard Dietrich repeat whole Linder paragraphs that he memorized, it is simply demonic.This is a bizarre post, Tonto. Obviously the semblance of sanity you managed to muster in the OP is too difficult for you to maintain. If you like Linder and VNN so much, then why not go back to VNNF, and write Linder, and try to help him out. Or better yet, follow Jett's lead, and create a blog to share your unbalanced complaints with the world.

Welcome to the Phora, indeed.

Kodos

03-12-2009, 06:26 AM

This is a bizarre post, Tonto. Obviously the semblance of sanity you managed to muster in the OP is too difficult for you to maintain. If you like Linder and VNN so much, then why not go back to VNNF, and write Linder, and try to help him out. Or better yet, follow Jett's lead, and create a blog to share your unbalanced complaints with the world.

Welcome to the Phora, indeed.

Answer my poll.

Susan

03-12-2009, 06:39 AM

Okay, and THIS is where this thread begins to completely fall apart and turn into simply another flamefest with accusations, name calling and anger.

Guys, there's a lot we could talk about here, and do it in a dignified way without this thread degenerating into yet another ridiculous embarrassing flamefest.

I am a female calling for you guys to cool off, stop posting for the night, go to sleep, and wake up in the morning and calmed down. Then, think before you post at that point. We could achieve so much more by doing that.

I have left a couple of threads where it was starting to get ridiculous and I just stopped posting so as not to turn it into yet another silly flamefest.

I have more to say here, but not if this thread is going to get ugly.

Jett: turn off the computer and go get some sleep for a change.

Mike and Mike: you two, go to sleep and post again in the morning after you've calmed down. There is nothing to be gained from turning this into another name calling flamefest.

Kay?

littlewhitelies

03-12-2009, 07:18 AM

I think WNs focus too much on Whites being hated and Holocausted.

I think WNs have a sort of Jew envy. We must remember that most come from a Christianized culture in which suffering is noble. I'm willing to bet that Zionists pull many strings in the WN movement in order to create its self sabotage.

Jett

03-12-2009, 09:21 AM

I think WNs have a sort of Jew envy. We must remember that most come from a Christianized culture in which suffering is noble. I'm willing to bet that Zionists pull many strings in the WN movement in order to create its self sabotage.

Actually they dont have to sabotage anything. Most of these outspoken heavy duty people become the mirror image of what they hate. They never step back and look at themselves and see that they have slowly adopted all the characteristics of their enemy without even realizing it.

Count Sudoku

03-12-2009, 09:49 AM

Thomas777

03-12-2009, 10:28 AM

VNNF is stagnant.

It has turned into a social club instead of a discussion board.

If that is the case, VNN is an asinine mode of recreation and not an 'alternative media' outlet as it purports to be, it makes very little sense to discuss it obsessively. VNN failed. Don't worry so much about it.

Varg is allied with the VOR crowd that has mocked Alex Linder on their site. Faust and Varg are already drawing up plans to hijack the forum from Linder.

Mike is part of this all too. He is also allied with VOR, Varg, Faust and Dietrich.

Notice how Mike tries to come of as a casual bystander...

None of this is important. Why are you people so concerned with internet forums and what Mike is doing?

Mike Jahn

03-12-2009, 10:41 AM

Why are you people so concerned with internet forums and what Mike is doing?

Mike from New England is a VOR propagandist who involved himself in this thread.

Count Sudoku

03-12-2009, 10:55 AM

Mike from New England is a VOR propagandist who involved himself in this thread.

VNN is probably counterproductive to WN. If it didn't exist, the jews would create it for us.

harjit

03-12-2009, 10:59 AM

VNN is probably counterproductive to WN. If it didn't exist, the jews would create it for us.
Some people think they did.

harjit

03-12-2009, 11:17 AM

I think WNs have a sort of Jew envy. We must remember that most come from a Christianized culture in which suffering is noble. I'm willing to bet that Zionists pull many strings in the WN movement in order to create its self sabotage.
Maybe they have nigger envy. Consider the congruence of WN values with the following:

Ghetto blacks are the closest thing in modern America to Vikings: Tough, violent and ruthless when raiding.
Blacks are on average ethnocentric and race conscious compared to whites.
Black heterosexuals aren't into emo or metrosexual fashions endemic to white youth.
Black guys keep their women in their place, whereas modern Aryan man has to apologize for pissing while standing up.
Black heterosexuals have little tolerance for fags.
Black guys get da white wimminz.
Blacks are more anti-Semitic on average than are whites. The world's black population is increasing (abortion is keeping it in check in the States).
Blacks not only have their own countries, but almost an entire continent.

Thomas777

03-12-2009, 11:18 AM

Mike from New England is a VOR propagandist who involved himself in this thread.

Yes, I know who Mike is. VOR is an interesting project and I think its a credit to Mike that he involves himself with alternative media. If you don't like Mike and you don't like VOR, my suggestion would be to not listen to VOR. Calling him a 'propagandist' smacks of paranoia, in all honesty.

Sudaev

03-12-2009, 12:20 PM

Sudaev: Are you retarded or what? This thread is titled "Why I left VNN".

Doesn't make any difference; you're going to pollute the forum with VNN references regardless.

Warka

03-12-2009, 12:27 PM

You kids should try to get this drama aired on Oprah or something...

harjit

03-12-2009, 12:29 PM

Doesn't make any difference; you're going to pollute the forum with VNN references regardless.
Why don't you just go away and find (or start) a board you like, rather than going around harassing people here whose posts bug you?

Or at least use the nignore function.

Captain Marinesko

03-12-2009, 12:59 PM

I'm lovin' this.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Count Sudoku

03-12-2009, 08:29 PM

Maybe they have nigger envy. Consider the congruence of WN values with the following:

Ghetto blacks are the closest thing in modern America to Vikings: Tough, violent and ruthless when raiding.
Blacks are on average ethnocentric and race conscious compared to whites.
Black heterosexuals aren't into emo or metrosexual fashions endemic to white youth.
Black guys keep their women in their place, whereas modern Aryan man has to apologize for pissing while standing up.
Black heterosexuals have little tolerance for fags.
Black guys get da white wimminz.
Blacks are more anti-Semitic on average than are whites. The world's black population is increasing (abortion is keeping it in check in the States).
Blacks not only have their own countries, but almost an entire continent.

I'm envious that all niggers have 20 inch dicks and all I have is 2.

Niccolo and Donkey

03-12-2009, 08:30 PM

....and I get slapped on the wrist for calling the VNNers trash......

leondegrance

03-12-2009, 10:45 PM

Linder doesn't want to succeed. The porn stunt was just another example of his degeneration. Its depressing because I used to like arguing with Linder on his forum as recently as a few months ago. He's one of the sharpest people I've interacted with on these foums, and he has a lot of ability for writing. Unfortunately, he's genuinely crazy.

I think some of the appeal of VNN is that Linder himself is very quirky.

Jett

03-13-2009, 01:53 AM

How many VNNF posters secretly listen to Mark Levin? I know that the vnn poster known as "deathtozog" does.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/

Mike Jahn

03-13-2009, 02:04 AM

How many VNNF posters secretly listen to Mark Levin? I know that the vnn poster known as "deathtozog" does.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/

At the lowest estimate 50% of VNN forum posters listen to NeoCon talk radio. They have attempted to conceal this because they were aware by 2006 that the Stormfronters who had openly admitted to being NeoCon radio fans were beaten down by the older true White Nationalist Stormfront members. To avoid a similar brutal forum "beat down", VNN Republicans began concealing their love for NeoCon radio in the forum discussion.

However, this is not something you can hide forever, it comes out in the course of the daily news discussions. No one talks about the radio "Fairness Doctrine" unless they've been listening to NeoCon radio. And only from NeoCon radio would you be fed such a ridiculous lie that the Obama administration and the Democratic controlled congress could take Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity off the air.

Mike

03-13-2009, 02:08 AM

I'm envious that all niggers have 20 inch dicks and all I have is 2.You're a lot like me. I am against miscegenation, not because race-mixing inevitably results in the destruction of the White race and the civilization it created, but because I am jealous of negroes that manage to pick up worthless drug-addicted White whores, and/or feminist, defective types who hate their father. Yeah, negroes are so much better than me, as anyone can tell from their cultural achievements. Kudos to harjit for clearing that up in a logical way. What an asset to the Phora.

Mike Jahn

03-13-2009, 03:14 AM

deathtozog from VNN: portrait of a poseur

In the past he had a giant swastika avatar, under his name it said “F— You Jew”

Election 2008–he was VNN’s biggest fan of Zionist Republican Joe The Plumber.

VNN is where you play “tough guy” while in your real life away from the forum you associate entirely with Fox News fans.

Starr

03-13-2009, 04:43 AM

I don't think it matters so much if they listen to an occasional neo con. It matters if they take all of their cues from these kinds of hosts. Some of them can even be halfway useful in some regards while being a disaster in other areas, Michael Savage, for example. Hannity I would not be able to tolerate. I figured that out a while ago when I realized I found him more annoying than his liberal Jewish co host when they had their show on foxnews.

Jett

03-13-2009, 05:16 AM

leondegrance

03-13-2009, 05:25 AM

At the lowest estimate 50% of VNN forum posters listen to NeoCon talk radio. They have attempted to conceal this because they were aware by 2006 that the Stormfronters who had openly admitted to being NeoCon radio fans were beaten down by the older true White Nationalist Stormfront members. To avoid a similar brutal forum "beat down", VNN Republicans began concealing their love for NeoCon radio in the forum discussion.

I like the Mark Levin Show. More for his delivery rather than his content. I think he is as a talented broadcaster as Rush Limbaugh is.

However, this is not something you can hide forever, it comes out in the course of the daily news discussions. No one talks about the radio "Fairness Doctrine" unless they've been listening to NeoCon radio. And only from NeoCon radio would you be fed such a ridiculous lie that the Obama administration and the Democratic controlled congress could take Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity off the air.

This is not true. Some the democrats have a lock on power many want squelch all opposition speech and quite a few democratic senators are pushing for the Fairness Doctrine.

More likely they will pass regulations such local content and diversity in broadcasting to kill conservative talk radio.

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 05:26 AM

What is a neocon? I see nothing "new" about them. Same as they ever been.

Hell, for that matter, what is a "Conservative", and what are they attempting to conserve?

People who call themselves Conservatives have no ideals and no ideology, but they think they do. They will go on all day about "Values" when what they mean to say is Principals. Cons use the word "Value" to describe their principals because that is an economic term, and they are foremost concerned about money than of societal issues.

As Jahn has already exposed, most WNs have no principles or values either. They are basically conservatives who are a little extra upset about racial issues. The Republicans or the consevative movement used to be more openly racist- and some people of conservative roots resent that the move away from open racism has taken place.

The Israel conflict is just an extension of the anti-Jewish feelings these people have. The Jewish conspiracy is popular because it provides an explanation as to why "white" people seem to be betraying themselves. If you believe that race or nation is the determining factor in history, it's a little hard to explain why, according to WNs and the like, minorities are supposedly nationalistic and unified, whereas "whites" have supposedly been self-destructive for decades. People love to pin a human face on something, and some choose the "Jew", a perfect chimera to explain away this obvious inconsistancy.

Starr

03-13-2009, 05:35 AM

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 05:43 AM

The only common ground some WNs many have with some of todays so called conservatives is on issues like immigration, moral issues and racial double standards, because they find some common ground on these issues does not make them Republicans anymore than disagreeing with the war on terror makes one a liberal or far left democrat. Some may lean a bit towards the conservatism of someone like Pat Buchanan but not the so called conservatism of the neo cons.

Actually the fact that they routinely vote for, and often during elections support republicans makes them republicans. When they run candidates they are usually republicans.

Ironically when I was in, I never listened to right wing talk radio, which I had given up years ago. I actually took the "we're no conservatives" claim seriously, which was naive and stupid on my part I guess. I was listening to Air America.

Thomas Shaw

03-13-2009, 05:54 AM

Starr

03-13-2009, 06:05 AM

Actually the fact that they routinely vote for, and often during elections support republicans makes them republicans. When they run candidates they are usually republicans.

Ironically when I was in, I never listened to right wing talk radio, which I had given up years ago. I actually took the "we're no conservatives" claim seriously, which was naive and stupid on my part I guess. I was listening to Air America.

Some of them may see republicans as a slightly lesser evil because of some of the things I mentioned.(that does not make them republicans, just desparate) Others have gotten beyond that thinking.

I had a quote from Anne Coulter in my signature for a long time. I disagree with her more often than not but on the words she spoke in my signature she hit the mark very strongly. Would this mean I am an Anne Coulter fan?

Jett

03-13-2009, 06:09 AM

There are a lot of flaws to VNN centered on senseless flame wars, and their heroes being just underground lemmings with internet shows. They flock to Free talk live and retort it like it is all true like the lemmings that watch Fox News daily. They all ride the hosts' coattails and even have modeled their avatars to hideous jew pictures because of Faust.:deadhorse: :6:

Yeah, I though Faust was putting one over on the rubes on the forum by making them all don jew masks making them all look like jews.

I would imagine Faust was probably laughing with all his anti-racist buddies over on onepeoplesproject's forum.

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 06:14 AM

Some of them may see republicans as a slightly lesser evil because of some of the things I mentioned.(that does not make them republicans, just desparate) Others have gotten beyond that thinking.

From an establishment point of view- as long as the republicans get your vote, who cares if you disagree with them on a number of points. So long as you regurgitate a number of their memes on several issues, and keep the votes pouring in- you are, for all intents and purposes, republicans.

I had a quote from Anne Coulter in my signature for a long time. I disagree with her more often than not but on the words she spoke in my signature she hit the mark very strongly. Would this mean I am an Anne Coulter fan?

Again, if you regurgitate republican memes, that helps them. This is how they work, via an echo chamber. Their memes have even more power if they come from people who supposedly oppose them- it makes their claims look more like objective truth.

Thomas Shaw

03-13-2009, 06:16 AM

Yeah, I though Faust was putting one over on the rubes on the forum by making them all don jew masks making them all look like jews.

I would imagine Faust was probably laughing with all his anti-racist buddies over on onepeoplesproject's forum.

It's shocking how many people across the board have those now. I used to see the avatars as a part of the individual posters' personality. I now see them as goddamn guys this is ridiculous!

Jett

03-13-2009, 06:16 AM

Some of them may see republicans as a slightly lesser evil because of some of the things I mentioned.(that does not make them republicans, just desparate) Others have gotten beyond that thinking.

I had a quote from Anne Coulter in my signature for a long time. I disagree with her more often than not but on the words she spoke in my signature she hit the mark very strongly. Would this mean I am an Anne Coulter fan?

Republicans have ruled since 1969 except for Carter and Clinton, yet there are morons who believe that Liberals/Democrats have ruined this country. I find this unbelievable that a person can believe this.

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 06:22 AM

This is not true. Some the democrats have a lock on power many want squelch all opposition speech and quite a few democratic senators are pushing for the Fairness Doctrine.

More likely they will pass regulations such local content and diversity in broadcasting to kill conservative talk radio.

You do realize you just proved Jahn's point right? This is a textbook Republican meme.

Starr

03-13-2009, 06:24 AM

People are giving their approval to the system they oppose when they vote for figures approved by the system, that much is correct, however I don't see much wrong in using words, quotes,etc. from mainstream figures to our advantage when it applies. We are not giving them legitimacy. Their "acceptable" status helps to give our views legitimacy in the eyes of people who might not be "quite there yet." Some people might not like that said but it is the way it is.

Thomas Shaw are you a present or former poster on vnn?

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 06:31 AM

Mike Jahn

03-13-2009, 08:15 AM

Republicans have ruled since 1969 except for Carter and Clinton, yet there are morons who believe that Liberals/Democrats have ruined this country. I find this unbelievable that a person can believe this.

Jett, will Starr let you post your blog link here? The thread you posted on it yesterday from Stormfront was quite interesting.

Jett

03-13-2009, 08:46 AM

Jett, will Starr let you post your blog link here? The thread you posted on it yesterday from Stormfront was quite interesting.

Sure, she wouldn't have a problem with that.

Here is that sf thread http://stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=578209&page=5

Mark

03-13-2009, 01:27 PM

As Jahn has already exposed, most WNs have no principles or values either. They are basically conservatives who are a little extra upset about racial issues. The Republicans or the consevative movement used to be more openly racist- and some people of conservative roots resent that the move away from open racism has taken place.

The Israel conflict is just an extension of the anti-Jewish feelings these people have. The Jewish conspiracy is popular because it provides an explanation as to why "white" people seem to be betraying themselves. If you believe that race or nation is the determining factor in history, it's a little hard to explain why, according to WNs and the like, minorities are supposedly nationalistic and unified, whereas "whites" have supposedly been self-destructive for decades. People love to pin a human face on something, and some choose the "Jew", a perfect chimera to explain away this obvious inconsistancy.What a bunch of hogwash.

I get the feeling the only reason you switched sides was an attempt to save yourself from being blackballed by society in the future. A T.J. Leyden, if you will.

Thomas777

03-13-2009, 02:00 PM

What a bunch of hogwash.

I get the feeling the only reason you switched sides was an attempt to save yourself from being blackballed by society in the future. A T.J. Leyden, if you will.

Leyden saw the way the wind was blowing after the judgment against Metzger and decided he'd better find some way to both avoid jeopardy and maybe eek out a living as a 'professional' humanitarian.

The Leyden types remind me of pocket-sized fascimiles of Joe Vallachi: Insignificant, marginal people who capitalize on the trendy fixations of law enforcement and legislative committees in order to save their own ass and augment their own deluded sense of self-importance by making believe they were big players in some dangerous mass conspiracy to sabotage law and order.

I don't read Marinesko/Slavjanski as a Leyden turncoat. If he was, he'd be collecting a stipend in return for talking to schoolkids about why they need to avoid the pitfalls of racism and stay in school, in between penning moralistic screeds about his personal redemption for the SPLC newsletter. Marinesko is more of a John Patler. He has an obsessive, personal axe to grind with a subset of obscure WNs who denied him a full platinum membership in the Nazi club on account of his ethnic heritage, so he decided to stick it to them by dressing up like Lenin.

Susan

03-13-2009, 03:34 PM

I listen occasionally to Boortz because the station he is on here in Atlanta is the station that gives the best news, traffic, and weather. I know Boortz' paycheck is signed by the jews, and so does HE. I'm waiting for Boortz to retire and to see if he does anything of value when he is no longer beholden to the jews at WSB and their owners. Of course, Buchanan is still not saying what HE should be saying either. It might be a long wait.

I don't think just being concerned about the Fairness Doctrine, for example, or any issue that would ultimately affect all of us, makes one a "neocon" or such. I think that NOT seeing that issue as something indicative of a much LARGER issue, particularly in racial/jew terms, might make one inclined to be a neocon. That's why I can listen to the talk shows and see their limited effectiveness and shallow insight into just what our problems are these days. And, of course, they too, are getting paychecks signed by the jews.

But I'm not going to turn my back on, say, the Fairness Doctrine, simply because the problem goes much deeper than that one issue. I will work against it, hopefully educating people on the much larger picture and the much more insidious evil at work.

As someone pointed out somewhere on these threads, Whites don't get it that it's the jews--Whites still think it's "liberal Whites" who are the enemy of White people. But how many of us can fight against the jews when our paychecks are being signed by them? We have to wrangle ourselves free of their stranglehold on our lives and bank account and then we can freely speak. That's one of the problems as I see it.

The immediate problem with so many VNN males is their ridiculous notions of White women in a White society. It runs from the downright silly to the downright embarrassing to the downright absurd and worse. That's why I didn't fit in over there ultimately. I don't, as Martin Lindstedt put it recently "show enough deference to (White) men". No, I don't. I don't have to either. And I'm not gonna either. I give respect when it's given to me, and when I feel it's deserved.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Such petty drama.

harjit

03-13-2009, 04:56 PM

You're a lot like me. I am against miscegenation, not because race-mixing inevitably results in the destruction of the White race and the civilization it created, but because I am jealous of negroes that manage to pick up worthless drug-addicted White whores, and/or feminist, defective types who hate their father. Yeah, negroes are so much better than me, as anyone can tell from their cultural achievements. Kudos to harjit for clearing that up in a logical way. What an asset to the Phora.
On the contrary, Mikey-Jukes. It's not about higher cultural achievements by either race, but the similarity of WN to the baser aspects of black culture such as its ugly tribal ethnocentrism.

I just realized, there is one more entry I should have added to my list: The similarity of blacks blaming da man (i.e. whitey) for all their problems, and WNs blaming da J00z.

The more I think about it the more it becomes clear that WN should stand for White Niggerism.

Starr

03-13-2009, 05:03 PM

A tendency towards tribal ethnocentrism exists in every group to some extent so this is faulty. The first group that comes to my mind is not blacks as much as jews.

I just realized, there is one more entry I should have added to my list: The similarity of blacks blaming da man (i.e. whitey) for all their problems, and WNs blaming da J00z.

There is some(more than some really) truth in this, but again this is also something all people do either as groups or individuals. The jew is reponsible, the white man is responsible, it is liberals or conservatives who are destroying the country, even my parents are responsible. This is all a very common way of looking at things for many. I will bring up, here, that the idea that the white man is responsible for the plight of other peoples is a perfectly acceptable notion whereas the same kind of people believe similar thinking about jews is nuts and/or evil.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-13-2009, 06:33 PM

Susan,

who the hell are you to tell me what to do in your neg reps?

Is that senile debility showing or what?

Go crawl back into VNN.

Susan

03-13-2009, 08:42 PM

Theo dear: Why do you always have to show up in threads that have nothing to do with you, worming your way in, making some insulting, condescending remark as if you are so above it all?

If you never posted at VNN, then why not just stay out of this thread? If you did post at VNN, and you have something of value to say, then state it.

Your smarmy smugness is frankly not wanted or needed here.

Does that answer your question dear?

(Oh no!!! I've been called senile by yet another Phora loser who is probably 300 lbs. sitting in his mommy's basement pounding away on the Internet)

Transcendentally Challenged

03-13-2009, 09:12 PM

Mike Jahn

03-13-2009, 09:19 PM

Because I am above it all.

With that big ego are you sure you don't belong on VNN?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Transcendentally Challenged

03-13-2009, 09:29 PM

With that big ego are you sure you don't belong on VNN?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

With five emoticons following a one-liner, are you sure you ever left it?

Mike Jahn

03-13-2009, 09:40 PM

With five emoticons following a one-liner, are you sure you ever left it?

Old habits die hard?

:hm: :hm: :hm:

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 11:01 PM

I don't read Marinesko/Slavjanski as a Leyden turncoat.

Well you got one thing correct.

If he was, he'd be collecting a stipend in return for talking to schoolkids about why they need to avoid the pitfalls of racism and stay in school, in between penning moralistic screeds about his personal redemption for the SPLC newsletter.

How much do you think they'll pay for that?

Marinesko is more of a John Patler.

I haven't shot anybody thus far.

He has an obsessive, personal axe to grind with a subset of obscure WNs who denied him a full platinum membership in the Nazi club on account of his ethnic heritage, so he decided to stick it to them by dressing up like Lenin.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?

Captain Marinesko

03-13-2009, 11:13 PM

Old habits die hard?

:hm: :hm: :hm:

Mr. Jahn, believe it or not I sympathize with you, because several years ago I was roughly in the same boat. I got sick of the constant blame the Jew mentality, the fact that racialists couldn't mention another "race" without using some kind of slur or generalization attack, and the most glaring fact that they had no respect for women, including "their" own, and that for "saviors of the European people" they were woefully ignorant on European history, language, and culture.

Here's the kicker though- you will NEVER fix them. You may find a little coterie of higher class ones, people like Dr. Tomislav Sunic and the European New Right types, but that clique will never fully break-free of the sub-culture of the movement.

The problem is internal contradictions in the ideology, fallacious reasoning, unrealistic, idealistic thinking, and a basic idea that will always prove very attractive to those who have nothing else in this life save for the claim to some group such as "white".

Am I saying that the answer is to go out and become a Communist? No. Understanding Marxism-Leninism is a long process and there are many pitfalls along the way. When I started reevaluating Marxism, I was most inspired by Tito and the SFRY. It took a lot more reading to understand that Tito was in fact probably the greatest traitor to socialism since WWII. And truthfully, I could probably never explain my reasons unless I were to write massive, long-winded self-centric posts on par with those of John de Nugent, something I simply refuse to do.

What I am recommending is reevaluating the movement as a whole, and it's basic ideas. Virtually every core claim of the movement is essentially flawed at the deepest level. For example, if one accepts that there is this historical Jewish conspiracy against the "white race", what right do you then have to criticize the more wacky conspiracy theories of JdN or someone like say, Brutus(remember- he's the guy that cursed Jews for "inventing" child porn when Kevin Alfred Strom was busted for it)? Afterall, if you can read some historical source, and dismiss what it and several other sources claim because of some alleged "Jewish bias", why not allege that ANY claim written by or accepted by Jews is in fact false? Granted, some conspiracy theories are wackier than others- but if you accept conspiratorial thinking, then arguing against a more extreme theory is a lot like two people arguing over religion- you can never empirically prove you are right.

I don't care if you remain a die-hard anti-Communist to the grave, at least have enough digity to free yourself from the belief that you can somehow fix the movement, or with the help of a small elite, create a new one. It just isn't going to happen.

Thomas777

03-13-2009, 11:32 PM

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm not talking about anything. You're totally squared away. Make another thousand or so posts about how the National Alliance and the VNN forum are evil and that Marxist-Leninism is a historical inevitability and the microscopic American Nazi movement will be shattered and Bolshevism will win.

Mike

03-14-2009, 01:37 AM

... Mikey-Jukes ...

The more I think about it the more it becomes clear that WN should stand for White Niggerism.I am not going to address your points when you are deliberately trying to be insolent and snippy, you anti-White dothead. I don't like that. Until now, I've always addressed you in a very nice way.

Mark

03-14-2009, 04:49 AM

Mr. Jahn, believe it or not I sympathize with you, because several years ago I was roughly in the same boat. I got sick of the constant blame the Jew mentality, the fact that racialists couldn't mention another "race" without using some kind of slur or generalization attack, and the most glaring fact that they had no respect for women, including "their" own, and that for "saviors of the European people" they were woefully ignorant on European history, language, and culture.

Here's the kicker though- you will NEVER fix them. You may find a little coterie of higher class ones, people like Dr. Tomislav Sunic and the European New Right types, but that clique will never fully break-free of the sub-culture of the movement.

The problem is internal contradictions in the ideology, fallacious reasoning, unrealistic, idealistic thinking, and a basic idea that will always prove very attractive to those who have nothing else in this life save for the claim to some group such as "white".

Am I saying that the answer is to go out and become a Communist? No. Understanding Marxism-Leninism is a long process and there are many pitfalls along the way. When I started reevaluating Marxism, I was most inspired by Tito and the SFRY. It took a lot more reading to understand that Tito was in fact probably the greatest traitor to socialism since WWII. And truthfully, I could probably never explain my reasons unless I were to write massive, long-winded self-centric posts on par with those of John de Nugent, something I simply refuse to do.

What I am recommending is reevaluating the movement as a whole, and it's basic ideas. Virtually every core claim of the movement is essentially flawed at the deepest level. For example, if one accepts that there is this historical Jewish conspiracy against the "white race", what right do you then have to criticize the more wacky conspiracy theories of JdN or someone like say, Brutus(remember- he's the guy that cursed Jews for "inventing" child porn when Kevin Alfred Strom was busted for it)? Afterall, if you can read some historical source, and dismiss what it and several other sources claim because of some alleged "Jewish bias", why not allege that ANY claim written by or accepted by Jews is in fact false? Granted, some conspiracy theories are wackier than others- but if you accept conspiratorial thinking, then arguing against a more extreme theory is a lot like two people arguing over religion- you can never empirically prove you are right.

I don't care if you remain a die-hard anti-Communist to the grave, at least have enough digity to free yourself from the belief that you can somehow fix the movement, or with the help of a small elite, create a new one. It just isn't going to happen.Blah blah blah f*cking blah. Meanwhile, Kevin Macdonald nails it.

Mark

03-14-2009, 04:58 AM

Sorry Marinesko, half the time you sound like a girl. Even if you do live in Russia.

harjit

03-14-2009, 05:56 AM

I am not going to address your points when you are deliberately trying to be insolent and snippy, you anti-White dothead. I don't like that. Until now, I've always addressed you in a very nice way.
You started being snippy in that previous post. I was just returning the favour. If I unreasonably escalated it I'm sorry.

Either way, the anti-white accusation is uncalled for. I was mocking WN, not white people. Not that I care much about slurs but it's kind of rich that you call me a dothead while accusing me of ethnic prejudice.

Jett

03-14-2009, 06:14 AM

Mike is a flake who tries to hitch his wagon to the survival and dominance of the White race in North America.

He speaks for the lunatic fringe.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 08:43 AM

I'm not talking about anything. You're totally squared away. Make another thousand or so posts about how the National Alliance and the VNN forum are evil and that Marxist-Leninism is a historical inevitability and the microscopic American Nazi movement will be shattered and Bolshevism will win.

Naw please tell me, who were the "obscure" Nazis who wouldn't let me "in their club" because of my Slavic ethnicity, I would really like to know. And could you direct me to the threads where I write about the shit you mentioned in this post?

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 08:48 AM

Blah blah blah f*cking blah. Meanwhile, Kevin Macdonald nails it.

Yeah he nails it when he uses false sources for his claims.

Sorry Marinesko, half the time you sound like a girl. Even if you do live in Russia.

Maybe you need to spend more time around girls so you'll remember how they sound.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 11:47 AM

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 12:05 PM

Captain Strawman strikes again!

Once again you attack something that doesn't exist or only represents a tiny minority of WN. Granted if you spent time on VNN it would represent the majority view there.

Are you fucking kidding me? YOU represent one of those people.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 12:49 PM

Are you fucking kidding me? YOU represent one of those people.

I don't use slurs for every racial group. I don't really have a problem with Asians other than I don't appreciate my city being ethnically cleansed of white people by them.

I don't have a problem with women other than more of them buy into this diversity BS than men do.

I'm not an expert on European culture or history but I'll bet I know more than the average Kwan or anti for that matter and in any case it's irrelevent. What matters is the here and now and I don't appreciate being genocided by the damn jews and their white collaborators.

And why shouldn't I blame the jews for what they're doing? As soon as they stop being anti white I'll stop being anti jewish.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 01:49 PM

And why shouldn't I blame the jews for what they're doing? As soon as they stop being anti white I'll stop being anti jewish.

You make a sweeping, unfounded comment and then pretend it's their fault.

Do you have any proof of this Jewish conspiracy to destroy "whites"? Especially considering that "white" is primarily a recent, American invention, and for hundreds of years most Jews were in Europe, where there was constant feuding and attempts at genocide without anyone's outside help?

guy

03-14-2009, 02:22 PM

You make a sweeping, unfounded comment and then pretend it's their fault.

Do you have any proof of this Jewish conspiracy to destroy "whites"? Especially considering that "white" is primarily a recent, American invention, and for hundreds of years most Jews were in Europe, where there was constant feuding and attempts at genocide without anyone's outside help?
Both of you are probably wrong. You ignore the power, influence, and agenda of Big Jew, and reduce everything to a "WN (boogeymen) fantacy", while your buddy ignores the reality that most Jews aren't White-hating boogeymen either (a quick glance at the intermarriage rates should tell him this, but it won't).

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 02:24 PM

You make a sweeping, unfounded comment and then pretend it's their fault.

Do you have any proof of this Jewish conspiracy to destroy "whites"?

Yeah I do.

http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/its-jews-stupid.html

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews.html

Especially considering that "white" is primarily a recent, American invention,

This bullshit again.

and for hundreds of years most Jews were in Europe, where there was constant feuding and attempts at genocide without anyone's outside help?

What a load of nonsense. Just because different countries of whites fought each other in the past I'm supposed to be fine with the kikes trying to breed us out by promoting immigration and race mixing (for us not them)?

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 02:25 PM

Both of you are probably wrong. You ignore the power, influence, and agenda of Big Jew, and reduce everything to a "WN (boogeymen) fantacy", while your buddy ignores the reality that most Jews aren't White-hating boogeymen either (a quick glance at the intermarriage rates should tell him this, but it won't).

I'm talking about big jew not the little jews who are just as clueless as white lemmings.

guy

03-14-2009, 02:34 PM

What a load of nonsense. Just because different countries of whites fought each other in the past I'm supposed to be fine with the kikes trying to breed us out by promoting immigration and race mixing (for us not them)?
The Jewish/non-Jewish intermarriage rate is many folds higher than the White/non-White rate.

I'm talking about big jew not the little jews who are just as clueless as white lemmings.
How many big Jews and how many little ones do you think exist, though?

Cargo Cult Messiah

03-14-2009, 02:34 PM

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 02:46 PM

The Jewish/non-Jewish intermarriage rate is many folds higher than the White/non-White rate.

So? The fact that most of them marry other jews even just shows how racist they are.

When I talk about "the jews" I'm not talking about literally every single jew being in on some big conspiracy.

How many big Jews and how many little ones do you think exist, though?

Hopefully we'll find out at the trials we'll have if we win.

Cargo Cult Messiah

03-14-2009, 02:52 PM

Yeah he nails it when he uses false sources for his claims.
I take it you're talking about the book "Wolf of the Kremlin" which he cited in Culture of Critique. If that was the sole source of MacDonald's argument, you'd have a point. But given the fact that the bibliography for CoC alone (never mind his two previous peer reviewed books published by university publishing houses) is 45 pages long and MacDonald's more recent writings rely on the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times and the Washington Post, I'd say you hardly have a leg to stand on, unless those are false as well.

I'm not excusing "Wolf of the Kremlin" as a source, but I think it's fair to allow some room for error given the volume of MacDonald's sources. Certainly 1 out of 500, for example, is forgivable and I don't think MacDonald used the book in bad faith (i.e. knowing the book was false and using it anyway).

guy

03-14-2009, 03:00 PM

So? The fact that most of them marry other jews even just shows how racist they are.
1. I never said that most of them (in the West) marry other Jews. From what I understand, it's close to 50/50.

2. I said that Jews are substantially less likely to marry other Jews than Whites are to marry other Whites. If this makes Jews racist, what does it tell you about Whites?

When I talk about "the jews" I'm not talking about literally every single jew being in on some big conspiracy.

Hopefully we'll find out at the trials we'll have if we win.
Well, I still think it's silly to claim that Jews hate White people when so many Jews marry White people (not to suggest that the ones that don't marry White Gentiles hate them), but this place wouldn't be as fun with people thinking rationally all the time.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 03:09 PM

1. I never said that most of them (in the West) marry other Jews. From what I understand, it's close to 50/50.

Married after having jew kids with some other jew?

2. I said that Jews are substantially less likely to marry other Jews than Whites are to marry other Whites. If this makes Jews racist, what does it tell you about Whites?

The jews are more racist because being 2% of the population means they have to make a much more conscious effort to marry jewish than pick a partner from the other 98% of the population.

Well, I still think it's silly to claim that Jews hate White people when so many Jews marry White people (not to suggest that the ones that don't marry White Gentiles hate them), but this place wouldn't be as fun with people thinking rationally all the time.

Jews that promote immigration and race mixing for white countries and the opposite for themselves and Israel are the type that concern me.

guy

03-14-2009, 03:21 PM

Married after having jew kids with some other jew?
Yes.

The jews are more racist because being 2% of the population means they have to make a much more conscious effort to marry jewish than pick a partner from the other 98% of the population.
Well, I'll grant you that Jews (especially the religious ones) are more ethnocentric than White Gentiles, but I won't grant you that Jews promote mixing for everybody except themselves, which was your original point, and flies in the face of the reality that I pointed out.

Jews that promote immigration and race mixing for white countries and the opposite for themselves and Israel are the type that concern me.
I was responding to the words that I read, and there was nothing about sub-populations of Jews in your original post.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 03:30 PM

Yes.

Well you just proved my point.

Well, I'll grant you that Jews (especially the religious ones) are more ethnocentric than White Gentiles,

No shit. There are plenty who are athiests who are just as bad.

but I won't grant you that Jews promote mixing for everybody except themselves, which was your original point, and flies in the face of the reality that I pointed out.

Some jews promote race mixing and immigration for whites and the opposite for themselves. You think Alon Ziv wants his kids to marry blacks? You think Summer Redstone wants his daughters to bring home some black guy?

http://www.majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/alon_ziv_on_race_mixing/

I was responding to the words that I read, and there was nothing about sub-populations of Jews in your original post.

I'm using shorthand because otherwise it would take me ten times longer to write out stuff.

guy

03-14-2009, 03:46 PM

Well you just proved my point.

I may not have been 100% serious in that response, since I don't actually have the statistics pertaining to that question off-hand. I'm gonna guess that most Jews that marry non-Jews don't have a bunch of Jewish children running around, but who knows.

No shit. There are plenty who are athiests who are just as bad.
1,000 is plenty until you put it next to 1,000,000. I don't have the statistics for this question either, but I doubt you do. I'm gonna guess that the 50% intermarriage rate comes from somewhere, and that place probably isn't the orthodox sect.

Some jews promote race mixing and immigration for whites and the opposite for themselves. You think Alon Ziv wants his kids to marry blacks? You think Summer Redstone wants his daughters to bring home some black guy?

http://www.majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/alon_ziv_on_race_mixing/

I'm using shorthand because otherwise it would take me ten times longer to write out stuff.
Maybe Redstone wants White Jews to intermarry too but he uses Whites as shorthand.. Seriously, Redstone represents Jews just about as much as W Bush represents White Gentiles.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 03:56 PM

I may not have been 100% serious in that response, since I don't actually have the statistics pertaining to that question off-hand. I'm gonna guess that most Jews that marry non-Jews don't have a bunch of Jewish children running around, but who knows.

Well I do know that some jews who are married to non jews already have jewish kids from a previous marriage.

1,000 is plenty until you put it next to 1,000,000. I don't have the statistics for this question either, but I doubt you do. I'm gonna guess that the 50% intermarriage rate comes from somewhere, and that place probably isn't the orthodox sect.

My guess is that 50% is bullshit. And I wouldn't care if it was true. There are a bunch of people who are promoting the extinction of white people and a disproportionate number are jews.

Maybe Redstone wants White Jews to intermarry too but he uses Whites as shorthand.. Seriously, Redstone represents Jews just about as much as W Bush represents White Gentiles.

Redstone is typical of the jews that run Hollywood and the media in general.

guy

03-14-2009, 04:02 PM

Well I do know that some jews who are married to non jews already have jewish kids from a previous marriage.
It's settled, then.

My guess is that 50% is bullshit. And I wouldn't care if it was true. There are a bunch of people who are promoting the extinction of white people and a disproportionate number are jews.
Or, in shorthand - Jews hate Whites and are trying to kill them off. So much shorter to word it like that, after all.

Redstone is typical of the jews that run Hollywood and the media in general.
Kinda like Bush is typical of the Gentiles who run the gov't.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 04:07 PM

It's settled, then.

Great.

Or, in shorthand - Jews hate Whites and are trying to kill them off. So much shorter to word it like that, after all.

Correct.

Kinda like Bush is typical of the Gentiles who run the gov't.

Bush is typical of white gentiles who run the government. He's a tool of the jews who wants open borders and One World government.

guy

03-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Bush is typical of white gentiles who run the government. He's a tool of the jews who wants open borders and One World government.
White Gentiles are Jew tools.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 04:43 PM

White Gentiles are Jew tools.

Obviously some are. I didn't say they all were. I said Bush was a typical white gentile politician who is a tool of the jews.

guy

03-14-2009, 04:50 PM

Obviously some are. I didn't say they all were. I said Bush was a typical white gentile politician who is a tool of the jews.
Agreed. Remember that I'm using shorthand because otherwise it would take me ten times longer to write out stuff.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 04:57 PM

Agreed. Remember that I'm using shorthand because otherwise it would take me ten times longer to write out stuff.

When a liberal says whites killed all the Indians in North America, they don't mean every single white person at the time killed every single Indian in North America.

Gruppenführer Glitter

03-14-2009, 06:06 PM

VNNF is too tolerant of and encourages mouth breathers, knuckle draggers, assorted paranoiacs, dirt eaters, 'tards of all stripes, and ne'er-do-wells in general, unfortunately.

Hey, People like me have to be able to post somewhere!

ogenoct

03-14-2009, 08:22 PM

I still think it's silly to claim that Jews hate White people when so many Jews marry White people

It is called genetic parasitism.

Arrow Cross

03-14-2009, 08:36 PM

Hey, People like me have to be able to post somewhere!
Alas, all that Glitters is not gold.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 09:08 PM

Obviously some are. I didn't say they all were. I said Bush was a typical white gentile politician who is a tool of the jews.

WHY are they always "tools of the Jews"? If they have been tools of the Jews so long- why don't they ever seem to figure out that they actually control far more and actually have much more power?

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 09:41 PM

WHY are they always "tools of the Jews"? If they have been tools of the Jews so long- why don't they ever seem to figure out that they actually control far more and actually have much more power?

I'm not 100% sure what you mean but my best guess is that the "tools" do what they're told because they are probably compromised in some way (Obama is probably an illegal alien), conservative republicans just happen to be queers or sex perverts and failing that they saw what happened to Kennedy when a president doesn't follow orders.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 09:45 PM

I'm not 100% sure what you mean but my best guess is that the "tools" do what they're told because they are probably compromised in some way (Obama is probably an illegal alien), conservative republicans just happen to be queers or sex perverts and failing that they saw what happened to Kennedy when a president doesn't follow orders.

Wow, that is a lot of successful "sex perverts" and people with skeletons in the closet. So I guess with the rise of sexual tolerance more of these closet gay power brokers will be able to throw off the chains of their Jew oppressors?

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Wow, that is a lot of successful "sex perverts" and people with skeletons in the closet.

With 300 million people it isn't going to be hard to find a couple thousand scumbags.

So I guess with the rise of sexual tolerance more of these closet gay power brokers will be able to throw off the chains of their Jew oppressors?

Yes, I'm sure Larry Craig senator from conservative Idaho has no problem with telling everyone he sucks dick at airports.

Ooops, guess he does have a problem with that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/08/larry_craig_still_not_gay.html

Larry Craig: Still Not Gay

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 11:02 PM

With 300 million people it isn't going to be hard to find a couple thousand scumbags.

Yeah but isn't it freaky how all these people, according to your bizarre conspiracy, seem to find their way into the White House, Congress, and all the major positions of power in the government, military, industry, etc.?

Yes, I'm sure Larry Craig senator from conservative Idaho has no problem with telling everyone he sucks dick at airports.

Ooops, guess he does have a problem with that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/08/larry_craig_still_not_gay.html

Larry Craig: Still Not Gay

Since gays are more accepted in the mainstream these days- this would not be good blackmail material for the future. And you probably blame "the Jews" for making homosexuality more if not totally accepted, therefore they would be deliberately destroying one of their main methods of power over the puppets, according to your hypothesis. In other words, cutting a major string.

Oh, I was also wonder just what Craig did to defy the Jews enough for them to let him be exposed like that.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 11:17 PM

Yeah but isn't it freaky how all these people, according to your bizarre conspiracy, seem to find their way into the White House, Congress, and all the major positions of power in the government, military, industry, etc.?

There's nothing freaky about it. Good people are deterred from running from office because the whole political process is so sleazy and filled with scumbags. Furthermore, the people who run things pick people well in advance like Obama. Didn't some white guy named Larry Craig accuse Obama of being queer as well?

I ddn't say anything about the military or industry although it wouldn't surprise me if that sort of thing happens there as well.

Since gays are more accepted in the mainstream these days- this would not be good blackmail material for the future.

They are more accepted but if you're in the closet it's because you want to be there.

And you probably blame "the Jews" for making homosexuality more if not totally accepted,

Of course I do. The major media is controlled by the jews

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

and most gay interest groups are filled with them.

therefore they would be deliberately destroying one of their main methods of power over the puppets, according to your hypothesis. In other words, cutting a major string.

There are plenty of other strings to pull even if the jews make homos totally acceptable to everyone.

Oh, I was also wonder just what Craig did to defy the Jews enough for them to let him be exposed like that.

He might have been busted legitimately. As far as I know he was good soldier who voted for amnesty for millions of beaners even though he represents one of the most conservative states in the union.

Someone who I have no doubt was busted for biting the hand that feeds him was Spitzer (jew) who was governor of New York. Apparently he was too eager to prosecute jew shennanigans in the finance industry and someone exposed him as a user of $5000 a session prostitutes.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 11:23 PM

There's nothing freaky about it. Good people are deterred from running from office because the whole political process is so sleazy and filled with scumbags. Furthermore, the people who run things pick people well in advance like Obama. Didn't some white guy named Larry Craig accuse Obama of being queer as well?

There is a huge gap between good people and total sex perverts.

I ddn't say anything about the military or industry although it wouldn't surprise me if that sort of thing happens there as well.

Do you notice anything paranoid, if not a bit childish, about this kind of worldview?

They are more accepted but if you're in the closet it's because you want to be there.

Right but we are talking about over the course of time. That is to say, in the 60s, ANY politician being accused of being homosexual could kiss their career goodbye. We are talking about the "puppets", who in fact have more power than the puppetmasters in terms of wealth and legal, state power, cutting their own strings.

Of course I do. The major media is controlled by the jews

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

and most gay interest groups are filled with them.

Yeah but don't you see the contradiction in your little theory here?

There are plenty of other strings to pull even if the jews make homos totally acceptable to everyone.

Wow, that's neat. Could you explain how you came to receive all this knowledge?

He might have been busted legitimately. As far as I know he was good soldier who voted for amnesty for millions of beaners even though he represents one of the most conservative states in the union.

No no no, if he was a "good soldier" for "them", then they should have protected him.

Someone who I have no doubt was busted for biting the hand that feeds him was Spitzer (jew) who was governor of New York. Apparently he was too eager to prosecute jew shennanigans in the finance industry and someone exposed him as a user of $5000 a session prostitutes.

Actually Spitzer had earned the ire of the Bush administration for conflicting with their policies on lending- so there is reason to believe that his crucifixion had a lot to do with his political activities. But don't you see the inherent contradictions here? Jew defies gentile, gets whomped. Not all the people who benefitted from the industry he targeted were Jews, and many of their victims and losers were Jewish.

Count Sudoku

03-14-2009, 11:47 PM

There is a huge gap between good people and total sex perverts.

Um...yeah.

Do you notice anything paranoid, if not a bit childish, about this kind of worldview?

Don't you see anything childish and naive about yours?

Right but we are talking about over the course of time. That is to say, in the 60s, ANY politician being accused of being homosexual could kiss their career goodbye. We are talking about the "puppets", who in fact have more power than the puppetmasters in terms of wealth and legal, state power, cutting their own strings.

They don't have more wealth, they are compromised and failing that they'll get a bullet in the head.

Yeah but don't you see the contradiction in your little theory here?

No.

Wow, that's neat. Could you explain how you came to receive all this knowledge?

It's called reading.

No no no, if he was a "good soldier" for "them", then they should have protected him.

Possibly. Maybe they didn't want to stick their necks out for him.

edit: He's an old guy so maybe they figured it wasn't worth expending any capital or taking any risks to save his ass.

Actually Spitzer had earned the ire of the Bush administration for conflicting with their policies on lending- so there is reason to believe that his crucifixion had a lot to do with his political activities. But don't you see the inherent contradictions here? Jew defies gentile, gets whomped.

Bush is a tool of the jews if ever there was one.

Not all the people who benefitted from the industry he targeted were Jews, and many of their victims and losers were Jewish.

So? Spitzer must have pissed off the wrong people.

Captain Marinesko

03-14-2009, 11:49 PM

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 02:16 AM

So can you offer any evidence of your little theories? What I keep seeing repeated in your posts is "must be", "must have been"- all kinds of modals and other phrases of speculation. Sounds like a pretty shaky foundation.

There was a recent thread here (or somewhere else) about how the Israelis use whores to entrap our politicians. The case mentioned was queer Jim McGreevy former governor of New Jersey and his boyfriend from Israel who was so interested in the politics of New Jersey that he decided to leave Israel, move to New Jersey and work on his campaign for free.

here it is

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48294&highlight=whores

Captain Marinesko

03-15-2009, 01:55 PM

There was a recent thread here (or somewhere else) about how the Israelis use whores to entrap our politicians. The case mentioned was queer Jim McGreevy former governor of New Jersey and his boyfriend from Israel who was so interested in the politics of New Jersey that he decided to leave Israel, move to New Jersey and work on his campaign for free.

here it is

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48294&highlight=whores

I believe this tactic is not old, no is it exclusive to Israelis. So you think every non-Jew with his hand on a lever of power can easily be corrupted by prostitutes- or is secretly gay? Sounds a little unlikely to me.

Cargo Cult Messiah

03-15-2009, 02:05 PM

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 02:24 PM

I believe this tactic is not old, no is it exclusive to Israelis. So you think every non-Jew with his hand on a lever of power can easily be corrupted by prostitutes- or is secretly gay? Sounds a little unlikely to me.

Or perhaps has some financial scandal they want to keep hidden. Or maybe they're an illegal alien who was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. And I doubt every one of them is compromised this way (Ron Paul isn't) but enough of them are.

Captain Marinesko

03-15-2009, 02:40 PM

Or perhaps has some financial scandal they want to keep hidden. Or maybe they're an illegal alien who was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. And I doubt every one of them is compromised this way (Ron Paul isn't) but enough of them are.

So all of them but Ron Paul...hmmm... And this doesn't seem paranoid to you?

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 02:43 PM

So all of them but Ron Paul...hmmm... And this doesn't seem paranoid to you?

I didn't say all of them. Go read my previous comment again.

Jett

03-15-2009, 02:56 PM

There are no revolutionary ideas on VNNF anymore, its just a place where pissed off Republicans
can console each other and bitch about dastardly "Liberals" while sometimes naming the jew.

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 03:04 PM

There are no revolutionary ideas on VNNF anymore, its just a place where pissed off Republicans
can console each other and bitch about dastardly "Liberals" while sometimes naming the jew.

Pretty much true. I read there when I'm pissed off with my latest encounter with diversity just to get a laugh.

If the Captain received his racist education from VNN no wonder he's so clueless about jews.

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 03:06 PM

So all of them but Ron Paul...hmmm... And this doesn't seem paranoid to you?

Actually Dennis Kucinich is okay as well despite being a flaming liberal. You'll notice that Ron Paul is hated by the establishment on his own party and Fox Jews news network.

Captain Marinesko

03-15-2009, 03:08 PM

Pretty much true. I read there when I'm pissed off with my latest encounter with diversity just to get a laugh.

If the Captain received his racist education from VNN no wonder he's so clueless about jews.

I have read all the same crap that you did about Jews, so don't try that route.

It's a conspiracy theory, plain and simple.

Count Sudoku

03-15-2009, 03:17 PM

I have read all the same crap that you did about Jews, so don't try that route.

It's a conspiracy theory, plain and simple.

It is a conspiracy. If you don't believe conspiracies happen in real life you're a fucking idiot.

You think it's just a coincidence that the jews who are around 2% of the population own almost all the major media?

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

Oy Vey you goyim are dumb!

Mark

03-16-2009, 05:05 AM

[Sarcastically] Yeah [Macdonald] nails it when he uses false sources for his claims.Feel free to point out the false sources in this: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=679539&postcount=1

Maybe you need to spend more time around girls so you'll remember how they sound.Oh I'm sure the way you run your mouth mindlessly, invertebrate, the women flock to you. Around here they're called fag hags.

guy

03-16-2009, 06:37 AM

It is a conspiracy. If you don't believe conspiracies happen in real life you're a fucking idiot.

You think it's just a coincidence that the jews who are around 2% of the population own almost all the major media?

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

Oy Vey you goyim are dumb!
Is there a source that shows all of the top media owners rather than just the Jew ones? Don't get me wrong -- I am aware of the Jewish domination of the media. It's just that I am also aware of the inability of some WNs to conduct balanced research. I didn't read the whole link, but I noticed a few things, and will give two examples:

From your source: At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News.

http://cityfile.com/profiles/david-westin

From another source:
Westin was raised in a devout Christian family in Ann Arbor, Michigan and attended law school before a clerking for a couple of judges and joining the firm Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering in 1979.

So who is right?

http://www.abcmedianet.com/assets/bios-thumbs/0df9077a-3c0f-4e85-89ef-fe993606745e.jpg

And this:

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989. Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice president of AP in November 2002.

Funny how not a word is said about the president of the AP, Tom Curley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Curley

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/images/+2007/curley-tomAP.jpg

Mark

03-16-2009, 07:53 AM

I have read all the same crap that you did about Jews, so don't try that route.

It's a conspiracy theory, plain and simple.The most damning stuff is in their own words, as Macdonald points out, here (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-JPPPI.html):
The report on geopolitical trends by Stuart Eizenstat is quite blunt, noting the decline of the West and the emergence of a multipolar world with the rise of China and India. Israel must ready itself for a world no longer dominated by the US, but Eizenstat projects that the US will be primus inter pares for at least another generation. There is also concern that because of the debacle in Iraq, the US will not be willing to provide the “unconditional support” for Israel that it has in the past.

A similar JPPPI [Jewish People Policy Planning Institute] publication is its Report 2008 [here (http://www.jpppi.org.il/JPPPI/index.asp)]. This report makes many of these same points as Facing Tomorrow 2008 but also analyzes the position of Jews in the US. It is quite frank on Jewish power and the status of American Jews. Jews are important political players in the US. Despite their relatively small numbers, Jews are important in part because of “the economic resources they bring to bear on the candidates of their choices … [and] their prominence in American culture and society.” Well said.

Captain Marinesko

03-16-2009, 08:12 AM

The most damning stuff is in their own words, as Macdonald points out, here (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-JPPPI.html):

Is it right to say "their" words, as those they have a right to represent all Jews? More and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and speaking out against it. Can those men speak for Noam Chomsky, Justin Raimondo, Norman Finkelstein, Norman Solomon, Howard Zinn..etc?

If someone took the quotes of Dr. Pierce or Mr. Duke and said: "Look what white people believe!" Wouldn't you be offended?

Mike Jahn

03-16-2009, 11:54 AM

I have read all the same crap that you did about Jews, so don't try that route.

It's a conspiracy theory, plain and simple.

Did you ever read Yuri Slezkine's book The Jewish Century?

harjit

03-16-2009, 12:12 PM

If someone took the quotes of Dr. Pierce or Mr. Duke and said: "Look what white people believe!" Wouldn't you be offended?
That would be the worst possible insult to white people. Indeed, most would be outraged and disgusted.

Y_I_Otter at MSF in fact says that he is a proud white man, which is why he despises racists for making it sound as if they are talking on the behalf of white people.

Captain Marinesko

03-16-2009, 12:29 PM

Did you ever read Yuri Slezkine's book The Jewish Century?

Is he authorized to represent all Jews everywhere?

Basil Fawlty

03-16-2009, 12:35 PM

Is he authorized to represent all Jews everywhere?Scholars do not require popular referenda to either carry out their work or "authorise" their findings. Your response is desperate.

Count Sudoku

03-16-2009, 01:21 PM

Is there a source that shows all of the top media owners rather than just the Jew ones? Don't get me wrong -- I am aware of the Jewish domination of the media. It's just that I am also aware of the inability of some WNs to conduct balanced research. I didn't read the whole link, but I noticed a few things, and will give two examples:

This particular article is probably a few years out of date at least. For those two cases you mention I'm not 100% sure if they're jews or not. I do know that it is obvious that there are plenty of obvious jews in the media and Hollywood. Hell, here's a jew admitting the media is under jewish control.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19%2C0%2C2313474.column

Count Sudoku

03-16-2009, 01:23 PM

Mike Jahn

03-16-2009, 01:37 PM

Justin Raimondo is a Jew?

On VNN they said he was just a homosexual.

Mark

03-16-2009, 01:41 PM

Is it right to say "their" words, as those they have a right to represent all Jews? More and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and speaking out against it. Can those men speak for Noam Chomsky, Justin Raimondo, Norman Finkelstein, Norman Solomon, Howard Zinn..etc?Good for them. Please stop twisting. "Their" in my original post means powerful, Zionist Jews--as anyone who isn't "doing it for the lulz" can see.
If someone took the quotes of Dr. Pierce or Mr. Duke and said: "Look what white people believe!" Wouldn't you be offended?Not particularly. One of the biggest problems in our society these days, a wussifying, Jewish-led problem by the way, is people finding excuses to get way-too offended way-too often.

"Oy the outrage!"

guy

03-16-2009, 02:05 PM

This particular article is probably a few years out of date at least. For those two cases you mention I'm not 100% sure if they're jews or not. I do know that it is obvious that there are plenty of obvious jews in the media and Hollywood. Hell, here's a jew admitting the media is under jewish control.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19%2C0%2C2313474.column
I know that there are countless obvious Jews in the media. And I know how important the who-owns-the-media question is. Given these two things, I think it should be possible to have a "Who Rules America" that is at least semi-scientific in its approach. But I've never seen one.

Count Sudoku

03-16-2009, 02:13 PM

I know that there are countless obvious Jews in the media. And I know how important the who-owns-the-media question is. Given these two things, I think it should be possible to have a "Who Rules America" that is at least semi-scientific in its approach. But I've never seen one.

Did that list omit any major tv network?

Why don't you make a list of all the major media organizations that aren't run or owned by jews?

guy

03-16-2009, 02:24 PM

Did that list omit any major tv network?
I don't think so, but they should have a simpler format IMO. Something like:

ABC:
owner: XYZ.
CEO: XYZ.
Upper management: XYZ.

NBC:
owner: XYZ.
CEO: XYZ.
Upper management: XYZ.

Etc.

Instead, they have a disorganized list of Jews plus Ted Turner (which they used as an example of a non-Jew that was bought out).

Why don't you make a list of all the major media organizations that aren't run or owned by jews?
Laziness. I won't really get much from it. But if I ever do decide to write a who-rules-America article, I'd probably do it differently.

Count Sudoku

03-16-2009, 02:42 PM

I don't think so, but they should have a simpler format IMO. Something like:

ABC:
owner: XYZ.
CEO: XYZ.
Upper management: XYZ.

NBC:
owner: XYZ.
CEO: XYZ.
Upper management: XYZ.

Etc.

Instead, they have a disorganized list of Jews plus Ted Turner (which they used as an example of a non-Jew that was bought out).

Well that's not a bad idea.

Laziness. I won't really get much from it. But if I ever do decide to write a who-rules-America article, I'd probably do it differently.

That's hardly laziness.

Captain Marinesko

03-16-2009, 10:07 PM

Good for them. Please stop twisting. "Their" in my original post means powerful, Zionist Jews--as anyone who isn't "doing it for the lulz" can see.

Of course among Jews, Zionists unfortunately have the most influence(though this view is changing more and more). However, the question still stands- do what these people believe or do somehow reflect collectively on all Jews?

Not particularly. One of the biggest problems in our society these days, a wussifying, Jewish-led problem by the way, is people finding excuses to get way-too offended way-too often.

"Oy the outrage!"

Let me rephrase that: If someone were to condemn white people, insist that white people were causing all the problems in the world, and then backed this up by listing the words of Duke, Pierce, Rockwell, etc. Wouldn't you find that a bit unfair and illogical? Don't you get pissed off when you perceive that someone is blaming you for slavery because you are white, though you personally had nothing to do with that?

Why do you think it is fine to do the otherway around?

Mark

03-17-2009, 06:52 AM

Of course among Jews, Zionists unfortunately have the most influence(though this view is changing more and more).Perfect word here, "unfortunately."

However, the question still stands- do what these people believe or do somehow reflect collectively on all Jews?So far, net-net, yes, in real terms, for Gentiles at least; "real" here being what fills the belly, Outlander.

We'll see, though, per this post here: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=680695&postcount=6

Let me rephrase that: If someone were to condemn white people, insist that white people were causing all the problems in the world, and then backed this up by listing the words of Duke, Pierce, Rockwell, etc. Wouldn't you find that a bit unfair and illogical?But Duke, Pierce, Rockwell, etc. had no real political power to speak of, other than, say, on the pages of the SPLC's Intelligence Report. So why get excited?Don't you get pissed off when you perceive that someone is blaming you for slavery because you are white, though you personally had nothing to do with that?Yes.
Why do you think it is fine to do the otherway around?I do?

Count Sudoku

03-17-2009, 12:22 PM

Good for them. Please stop twisting. "Their" in my original post means powerful, Zionist Jews--as anyone who isn't "doing it for the lulz" can see.
Not particularly. One of the biggest problems in our society these days, a wussifying, Jewish-led problem by the way, is people finding excuses to get way-too offended way-too often.

"Oy the outrage!"

I had Guy bust my balls because I used shorthand.

Count Sudoku

03-17-2009, 12:27 PM

Captain Marinesko

03-17-2009, 01:22 PM

How could anyone blame Duke or Pierce for anything white people do? They hardly represent any white people and the things they say don't harm non-whites (unless separating from them harms them which technically it does).

They represent "white people" in the same way that Zionist Jews, who claim to speak in the interest of Jews, seem to represent all Jews collectively to paranoid conspiracy nuts such as yourself.

Count Sudoku

03-17-2009, 01:48 PM

They represent "white people" in the same way that Zionist Jews, who claim to speak in the interest of Jews, seem to represent all Jews collectively to paranoid conspiracy nuts such as yourself.

They claim to represent white people but have next to zero political power.

Jews on the other hand (the ones we hate) have a ton of power.

Mike Jahn

03-17-2009, 01:58 PM

They claim to represent white people but have next to zero political power.

Jews on the other hand (the ones we hate) have a ton of power.

Yes, I don't know how he can compare David Duke's influence to that of a Zionist like Paul Wolfowitz who was actually in the White House.

Captain Marinesko

03-17-2009, 11:28 PM

Yes, I don't know how he can compare David Duke's influence to that of a Zionist like Paul Wolfowitz who was actually in the White House.

It doesn't matter how much power they have. Should all Jews be judged by the actions of Paul Wolfowitz?

Count Sudoku

03-18-2009, 12:07 AM

It doesn't matter how much power they have. Should all Jews be judged by the actions of Paul Wolfowitz?

We aren't judging ALL jews.

Captain Marinesko

03-18-2009, 03:51 AM

We aren't judging ALL jews.

But you blame problems on "the Jews".

Count Sudoku

03-18-2009, 08:38 AM

But you blame problems on "the Jews".

http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/its-jews-stupid.html

It’s The Jews Stupid

By

Curt Maynard

I have long thought about writing this article but hesitated because I didn’t want the reader to conclude that I believed that all Jews are complicit in what amounts to a vast conspiracy to undermine western civilization and establish a Talmudic centered one world government. However, times have changed, and I feel obligated to write this and post it on the last bastion of freedom of speech, the Internet – before even that, in its present form is made unavailable to mankind.

Of course all Jews aren’t engaged in this nefarious plan, but unfortunately most of them will come to the aid of those who are. There are some exceptions, on occasion one will criticize another, but as a rule, those who are in a position to publicly denounce one of their own are still pro-Israel/pro-Zionist in orientation. A Jewish conservative talk show host named Michael Savage recently condemned George Soros, a multinational Jewish Supremacist, for engaging in the kind of activities that according to Savage led to the holocaust more than sixty years ago. In a sense Savage is right, Soros is exactly the kind of Jew that inspired Germans to wake up and democratically elect Adolf Hitler in 1933, the financial shenanigans Soros engages in today, are pretty much the same thing German Jews were engaged in prior to the Second World War. Unfortunately, Savage can’t be looked at as a role model for Jews either; he’s a hard core Zionist and an Israeli apologist, blindly towing the line for this little provocateur no matter what it does or whom it does it to

Transcendentally Challenged

03-18-2009, 10:53 AM

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 11:01 AM

If you want diaspora gone and Soros gone, where do you want the jews to go - up the chimney?

That's illogical.

Zionism seems to be your typical fascist ideology (in a good meaning of the word), which also strives to destroy the Diaspora.

So why oppose it? To cater to muslims?

Israel isn't large enough for every Jew in the world to live there, therefore its existence is a huge scam against the rest of us. If only Stalin had put all of the Mongols in gulags a Jewish state could have been created in Mongolia and the world community demand that every Jew on Earth had to move there. Only then would this Zionism ultimately benefit the White race.

http://www.american.edu/ted/hpages/driving/mongolia.jpg

Jett

03-18-2009, 11:20 AM

If you want diaspora gone and Soros gone, where do you want the jews to go - up the chimney?

Jews should be humanly sterilized and the ones who resist, shot on sight.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-18-2009, 12:01 PM

Jews should be humanly sterilized and the ones who resist, shot on sight.

Very smart, Jett. You'll go far.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-18-2009, 12:04 PM

Israel isn't large enough for every Jew in the world to live there,

Why not let them enlarge it? They could do it many times, were the US and the UN not there to stop them each time.

therefore its existence is a huge scam against the rest of us. If only Stalin...
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There is also a Jewish Autonomous Republic within the Russian Federation. I don't mind if Jews move there.

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 12:26 PM

Why not let them enlarge it? They could do it many times, were the US and the UN not there to stop them each time.

Because the Middle East region is too strategically valuable in resources to permit Jews to amass that kind of power. Soon they'd be wanting to take Iraq's oil fields. My Mongolia plan is better since Mongolia is quite worthless in natural resources and it is territorially cut off from any major sources of world power.

Felix the Cat

03-18-2009, 12:27 PM

Israel isn't large enough for every Jew in the world to live there, therefore its existence is a huge scam against the rest of us. If only Stalin had put all of the Mongols in gulags a Jewish state could have been created in Mongolia and the world community demand that every Jew on Earth had to move there. Only then would this Zionism ultimately benefit the White race.
Is this a joke? There are about 2 million people in the whole of Mongolia and I assume the land and climate there can't support many more.

Felix the Cat

03-18-2009, 12:28 PM

Agree with Theocide. Israel is the Final Solution to the Jewish Question.

Jett

03-18-2009, 12:38 PM

Is this a joke? There are about 2 million people in the whole of Mongolia and I assume the land and climate there can't support many more.

As opposed to the barren lands of the middle east? Who is joking who?

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 01:13 PM

Is this a joke? There are about 2 million people in the whole of Mongolia and I assume the land and climate there can't support many more.

Why should we care? Let the Jews deal with that problem when they get there. Maybe the nearby gooks in China will send them food aid?

:rofl:

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 01:15 PM

To me Mongolia looks large enough to put every Jew in the world there. Prove me wrong...

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 01:18 PM

Mongolia is land-locked (good) and surrounded by giants Russia and China.

http://riskybusiness.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/mongolia_pol96.jpg

Mike Jahn

03-18-2009, 01:25 PM

The enormous size of Mongolia will convince the lemmings that we've really done a lot for the Jews. Any inadequacies of their new home will be censored by our WN press.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-18-2009, 02:07 PM

I forgot, that this is the lounge.

Thus the clownish posts.

Transcendentally Challenged

03-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Because the Middle East region is too strategically valuable in resources

Sure, oil is much safer at the hands of muslims, who already initiated an oil embargo once.

Besides, the territories of Lebannon, Syria or Jordan aren't exactly the same as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Iraq when it comes to oil exports.

Kodos

03-18-2009, 02:20 PM

Israel isn't large enough for every Jew in the world to live there, therefore its existence is a huge scam against the rest of us. If only Stalin had put all of the Mongols in gulags a Jewish state could have been created in Mongolia and the world community demand that every Jew on Earth had to move there. Only then would this Zionism ultimately benefit the White race.

http://www.american.edu/ted/hpages/driving/mongolia.jpg

I hate muslims much more then Mongols, especially since Mongols killed about half the muslims on the planet once.

They are something of an inspiration to me on how the war on terror should have been handled.

Kodos

03-18-2009, 02:22 PM

I just realized, there is one more entry I should have added to my list: The similarity of blacks blaming da man (i.e. whitey) for all their problems, and WNs blaming da J00z.

You JUST realized this?

Count Sudoku

03-18-2009, 02:52 PM

Captain Marinesko

03-18-2009, 06:14 PM

I hate muslims much more then Mongols, especially since Mongols killed about half the muslims on the planet once.

They are something of an inspiration to me on how the war on terror should have been handled.

Guess what happened to the Mongol khanates after the death of Ghengis Khan? HINT: La ilaha....

Arrow Cross

03-18-2009, 06:58 PM

Guess what happened to the Mongol khanates after the death of Ghengis Khan? HINT: La ilaha....
I think he was referring to Timur instead, who had even more blood on his hands than Genghis, but he was raised as a Muslim to begin with.

Starr

03-18-2009, 08:35 PM

Let me rephrase that: If someone were to condemn white people, insist that white people were causing all the problems in the world, and then backed this up by listing the words of Duke, Pierce, Rockwell, etc. Wouldn't you find that a bit unfair and illogical? Don't you get pissed off when you perceive that someone is blaming you for slavery because you are white, though you personally had nothing to do with that?

If whites had a highly disproportionate amount of power and influence and tended to have pro white views and acted many times with the idea of what is best for white people in mind it would not be unfair for others to talk about this.

I bolded the second part because people take a look around and see that a lot of powerful people are white and state that as a reason to assume whites in general have power, but without the bolded words being true, we do not.

Also when a lot of us talk about "the jews" we are mostly referring to the jewish power structure not every single individual jew on the street, of course.

Mike Jahn

03-19-2009, 07:18 AM

Sure, oil is much safer at the hands of muslims, who already initiated an oil embargo once.

Besides, the territories of Lebannon, Syria or Jordan aren't exactly the same as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Iraq when it comes to oil exports.

Lebanon and Syria were once a part of the Roman Empire. Damascus, Syria is one of the oldest major cities in the world and you would surrender these places to JEWS ?

:ziotard: :ziotard: :ziotard: :ziotard:

Jett

03-22-2009, 11:47 AM

The enormous size of Mongolia will convince the lemmings that we've really done a lot for the Jews. Any inadequacies of their new home will be censored by our WN press.

I've thought before that we should all just move to Mongolia and take it over Don Black style.

I've seen pics of the place, and its pretty nice. Who needs ocean access where warships can fire shells from?

Mike Jahn

03-22-2009, 03:14 PM

I've thought before that we should all just move to Mongolia and take it over Don Black style.

I've seen pics of the place, and its pretty nice. Who needs ocean access where warships can fire shells from?

Linder is back on VNN, will he reinstate you Jett?

KevinDeBurgh

03-24-2009, 05:44 AM

Probably the majority of Americans of old line ethnic descent (which I basically define as English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, the Ulster Protestants we calls "Scots-Irish," French, Dutch, Flemish, and maybe some Spaniards) have some faint trace of Injun ancestry, unless they're recent arrivals.

Not on the East Coast. Of course people move around the country but the trend is still that the traces of Indian blood is from the frontiersmen that went West because they became lonely and married Indian women. It's not an East Coast phenomenon. I would be considered old line ethnic American to you because I'm Irish, French (Alsace-Lorraine ) and English; although, I am mostly Irish ( my Irish last name is actually a Gaelicized French Norman name or Hiberno-Norman so there is probably even more French ancestry in my woodpile right there). I have no Indian or black or any other non-European blood and my family came to the USA in the 1800's (some might have come before that but the majority came in the 1800's). I don't think I'm some odd exceptional case either but rather the rule for East Coast in general in regards to Indian admixture but I don't know the current demographic number of old line American ethnic stock on the East Coast though to be truthful.

Vessper

04-02-2009, 05:52 PM

It isn't simply a matter of what they called me, I see something symbolic in it...VNN and the White Nationalist movement in general are infected with a kind of teenager high school mentality of each person wanting to feel superior to the others...they've got to be the purest of the pure, the most Aryan of the Aryans...and what is it all for? For an ego trip, plain and simple, ego and nothing more...there are no practical benefits to adopting this exclusive attitude, you won't recruit new members by creating a climate of intimidation in which everyone sits around wondering "Am I White enough?"

A few years ago I online recruited to WN a Spanish guy from Madrid. I didn't bombard him with "racial purity", I promoted the concept of Whites standing together as one against the forces of International Jewry who want to destroy all of us whether we have blond hair, brown hair, black hair, and so on....I didn't scan his online photo 1,000 times checking to see whether he had a slight Moor nose...I carried out the kind of recruiting that works...what doesn't work is the behavior of VNNers......any Italian having dark hair is automatically declared an Arab or Jew. At VNN they won't even allow you to be attracted to Mediterranean women!.

Ok, first of all, I'm a teenager and I'm not involved in that kind of things. Secondly, I rather see in you a "teenager high school mentality", claiming that the jews are somehow organised in order to destroy Whites. Just being a little bit intelligent let's you understeand that Ashkenazi Jews are White European jews, and that even when some of them are multiculturalists, a lot of them are against multiculturalism and are 100% pro-White.

I agree with you on the rest, though. If you want to be accepted by rational people you have to be rational yourself first. So think about it, think about what you are saying.

Sudaev

04-02-2009, 06:08 PM

Not on the East Coast. Of course people move around the country but the trend is still that the traces of Indian blood is from the frontiersmen that went West because they became lonely and married Indian women.

I believe the preponderance of mixing was done in the southeast US, i.e., the Carolinas and environs, in the 18th and early 19th centuries. I don't think that there was as much of that going on with Plains Indians.

Mike Jahn

04-05-2009, 05:08 AM

Like Cato the Younger against Julius Caesar in 46 B.C., Jahn against Linder April 2-3, 2009. I was banned for life from VNN Forum. "No slave am I"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gtqTizFiWN0/SaMnnO2teDI/AAAAAAAABEQ/bLKSi3KH_r0/s400/Cato+the+Younger.jpg

Starr

04-05-2009, 07:09 AM

Banned for life? Were you given any reason for this? You have been around a while.

Mike Jahn

04-05-2009, 07:32 AM

Banned for life? Were you given any reason for this? You have been around a while.

Linder called me an anti, he said I showed a pattern of driving a wedge between various WN groups. I answered those accusations by saying that he works with several WN leaders who absolutely hate Christians which in itself creates huge divisions. I felt that I was being unfairly targeted over an issue that most WNs are guilty of, being critical of other WN. I had already decided to leave VNN and wasn't enjoying it there anymore but being called an anti? That was too much, I blew up on Linder and he banned me for life.

Lord Nengwen

04-05-2009, 07:34 AM

s. Just being a little bit intelligent let's you understeand that Ashkenazi Jews are White European jews, and that even when some of them are multiculturalists, a lot of them are against multiculturalism and are 100% pro-White.

jews themselves say that they are not White Europeans but rather Turko-asiatic Khazars!!!

(http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm)

The Thirteenth Tribe (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trib01.htm#The%20Thirteenth%20Tribe)

by Arthur Koestler
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE

Captain Marinesko

04-05-2009, 07:55 AM

jews themselves say that they are not White Europeans but rather Turko-asiatic Khazars!!!

(http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm)

The Thirteenth Tribe (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trib01.htm#The%20Thirteenth%20Tribe)

by Arthur Koestler
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE

One Jew writes something, and that to you equals "the Jews themselves"? Do you see any problem with that reasoning?

And the Khazar theory is discreditted by genetic evidence. But don't take my word for it- ask one of your heroes, Kevin MacDonald.

Joe McCarthy

04-05-2009, 08:02 AM

One Jew writes something, and that to you equals "the Jews themselves"? Do you see any problem with that reasoning?

And the Khazar theory is discreditted by genetic evidence. But don't take my word for it- ask one of your heroes, Kevin MacDonald.

Are you claiming DNA testing shows no Khazar ancestry in the Ashkenazim?

Please say yes.

Captain Marinesko

04-05-2009, 08:02 AM

Linder called me an anti, he said I showed a pattern of driving a wedge between various WN groups. I answered those accusations by saying that he works with several WN leaders who absolutely hate Christians which in itself creates huge divisions. I felt that I was being unfairly targeted over an issue that most WNs are guilty of, being critical of other WN. I had already decided to leave VNN and wasn't enjoying it there anymore but being called an anti? That was too much, I blew up on Linder and he banned me for life.

It might disturb you to know that I have, to this date, not been banned from VNN for some reason. I could log in at any time if I so chose. To be banned was an honor I could never seem to secure for some reason, even when I delibeerately tried to get banned.

As for Linder's bullshit, I would say it's typical. Of course you naturally spotted the hypocrisy and contradiction in his words, but you have to remember that he is a movement celebrity, which means he is not bound by anything he proclaims before. After all, this is a man who was instrumental in the exposure and destruction of the NA, and his board was a major drama generator for the movement afterwards.

Remember, it never gets better. The monkeys run the zoo in the movement- there will never be any kind of intellectual break-out, leaving behind the mass of morons. The very nature of the movement's ideology attracts morons. Who wouldn't want to join a movement where you get acceptance and are seen as superior to millions of people simply because you are "white"?

Apocales

04-05-2009, 08:05 AM

Lord Nengwen

04-05-2009, 08:15 AM

In America most Jews are white. However in Israel I have noticed pictures of them appearing more "Arab"-like though many still heavily European like in America, which would make more sense if they are being surrounded by Arab countries. I just don't see how any Jews can call themselves a race, when they come in all different colors.

Alot of those are sephardim.

There are not many sephardic jews in the jew-nited states. (one example of one though is Michael Medved, he is a sephardic kike. )

Lord Nengwen

04-05-2009, 08:16 AM

But don't take my word for it- ask one of your heroes, Kevin MacDonald.

Kmac is a psychologist, not a geneticist.

Koestlers work still stands in my mind.

:yadayada:

Captain Marinesko

04-05-2009, 08:20 AM

Kmac is a psychologist, not a geneticist.

Koestlers work still stands in my mind.

:yadayada:

Ok, so a psychologist can't quote studies done by geneticists in your bizarre world, and one Jew who writes something counts as "the Jews".

Fucking brilliant. The "white race" never had such great leaders.

Joe McCarthy

04-05-2009, 08:42 AM

I notice our resident Clown Prince of Communism is ducking my query vis-a-vis the Khazars.

Julian Curtis Lee

04-05-2009, 09:11 AM

Just being a little bit intelligent let's you understeand that Ashkenazi Jews are White European jews,
Just being a little observant lets you see that Jews don't identify with White Europeans per se, but with themselves as Jews, with their "Whiteness" being a convenient way to blend in and make their separate identity unnoticed. They do not assimilate readily with non-Jewish White Europeans.
...and that even when some of them are multiculturalists, a lot of them are against multiculturalism and are 100% pro-White.
The Jewish norm is to promote multi-culturalism. Very few Jews fight against multi-culturalism, which is their creation. The radio host Michael Savage is a distraction. Very few Jews like the idea of "pro-White" and, rather, tend to mock anything "pro-White." Open your eyes.
If you want to be accepted by rational people you have to be rational yourself first.
Any rational observer, from intellectuals like Professor Kevin MacDonald to a canny man in the street can see that Jews typically promote multi-culturalism to make host nations maximally safe, comfortable, and pliable for themselves. Any rational person can see that they see "White identity" as anathema, even as they see German identity of the 1940's.

ogenoct

04-05-2009, 01:21 PM

jews themselves say that they are not White Europeans but rather Turko-asiatic Khazars!!!

(http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm)

The Thirteenth Tribe (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trib01.htm#The%20Thirteenth%20Tribe)

by Arthur Koestler
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE

Arthur Koestler is ONE (I repeat: ONE!) Jew, not all Jews, you moron. Besides that, many Kazars were White European converts to Judaism. After all, the Kingdom of Khazaria was located in what is now the Ukraine. The Khazars also saved Europe from an Islamic invasion. Hence, the Khazars made Europe safe for the spread of Christianity. HAIL Khazaria!

Vessper

04-05-2009, 08:00 PM

Arthur Koestler is ONE (I repeat: ONE!) Jew, not all Jews, you moron. Besides that, many Kazars were White European converts to Judaism. After all, the Kingdom of Khazaria was located in what is now the Ukraine. The Khazars also saved Europe from an Islamic invasion. Hence, the Khazars made Europe safe for the spread of Christianity. HAIL Khazaria!

Exactly!. Since their foundation they resisted the Islamic invasion, if it wasn't for Khazaria muslims would have invaded Europe. Europe would be a muslim colony. And Khazars were known for their red hair, they were originally from Russia/Ukraine.
Although, Ashkenazi Jews descend also from Slavic (mainly Polabian and Sorbian) and even some Germanic tribes who converted to Judaism.
Ashkenazi Jews are Alpine-Germanic (Dinaric), with Mediterrean admixture from parts of Khazaria.
And culturally they are Slavo-Germanic.

Just being a little observant lets you see that Jews don't identify with White Europeans per se, but with themselves as Jews, with their "Whiteness" being a convenient way to blend in and make their separate identity unnoticed. They do not assimilate readily with non-Jewish White Europeans.

The Jewish norm is to promote multi-culturalism. Very few Jews fight against multi-culturalism, which is their creation. The radio host Michael Savage is a distraction. Very few Jews like the idea of "pro-White" and, rather, tend to mock anything "pro-White." Open your eyes.

Any rational observer, from intellectuals like Professor Kevin MacDonald to a canny man in the street can see that Jews typically promote multi-culturalism to make host nations maximally safe, comfortable, and pliable for themselves. Any rational person can see that they see "White identity" as anathema, even as they see German identity of the 1940's.

Nonetheless, there are Jews against multiculturalism!. And is not their creation. You are talking about Jews as if they were a single person, there are pro-White anti-multicultural Jews. And there are also multicultural non-jewish Whites (lots of them). What you are saying just doesn't makes sense. I could say that "Frenchmen are not White, there are multiculturalist Frenchs", and it would be the same. There are multicultural Frenchmen, and there are also pro-White Frenchmen.

And don't reply to me saying that Jews are more likely to be multicultural, that doesn't proves anything, there stil the fact that there are anti-multicultural pro-White Jews.

Crowley

04-05-2009, 08:38 PM

In America most Jews are white. However in Israel I have noticed pictures of them appearing more "Arab"-like though many still heavily European like in America, which would make more sense if they are being surrounded by Arab countries. I just don't see how any Jews can call themselves a race, when they come in all different colors.

Jews are not formally a race, after all there are only 4 races per se. Jews are a collective of 4 or so ethnicities that are currently forming a conglomerate in Israel. It hardly matters though as Jews are most definitely separatists and, as Mentious pointed out, do not view themselves as Whites.

albion

04-06-2009, 12:10 AM

Khazars were not Jewish, but indeed their rulers converted to Judaism.
Ashkenazi Jews have nothing to do with the Khazars. This is a false propaganda that was invented to the time of assimilation when Hungarian Jews wanted to get full citizen rights and tried to seek connections to ethnic Hungarians.

Ancient Hungarians (or proto-Hungarians) lived together with Khazars for a certain period of time, and Jews "tried to be part" of the old Hungarian tribal family saying to the public that Hungarian Jews "came" to the territory of Hungary together with proto-Hungarians.
The Khazar theory is far from being proved and it is abused by anti-Semites in Hungary.

Freedman was a Jew who promoted this lie for the purposes of furthering the argument that the Jews are a religous group, rather than a race. Dr. Kevin B. MacDonald thouroghly debunks the Khazar lie with genetic proof.

The Khazar Myth and the New Anti-Semitism
http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/21499/

Vessper

04-06-2009, 01:43 AM

Thorvald Eriksson

04-06-2009, 05:24 AM

There was nothing in VNN. They beat the active nigger drum everyday all day and night. What are those guys creating? I didn't see hardly anyone that could do anything but post T.N.B. Is that the extent to White Nationalism? I hope to see the intellectuals here where I didn't where I was for six months.

If the blacks stopped being violent that forum would degenerate into being just one flame war after the other. :deadhorse:

Julian Curtis Lee

04-06-2009, 05:40 AM

Welcome to The Phora.
There was nothing in VNN. They beat the active nigger drum everyday all day and night. What are those guys creating? I didn't see hardly anyone that could do anything but post T.N.B. Is that the extent to White Nationalism? I hope to see the intellectuals here where I didn't where I was for six months. If the blacks stopped being violent that forum would degenerate into being just one flame war after the other. :deadhorse:
My impression too. Very sad. Whites need to learn to attack each other less, and build friendship and brotherhood more. Focus on the negative amongst us less, and more on the positive. And when discussing the negatives of other peoples, to do it with decency and high-mindedness. This doesn't negate vigor and sincerity. Such restraint makes criticism even more effective and will finally attract a great number of Whites to wake up. Because they will only be attracted to nobility.

There are some very good intellectuals here. Macrobius -- Basil Fawlty -- Dan Dare -- Rollo Tomasi -- Petr, and Helios are some though Helios is not a big racialist and, can we say, a bit of a Bohemian ;) (His sensible approach to women compensates.) When they get going sometimes all you can do is shut up and listen. And some good sensible minds like Errigal -- Leon_de_Poncins -- Mark/Will Robinson -- Leon_de_Poncins -- Arrow Cross -- Jake Featherston -- Mike -- Hakluyt and even Sulla the Dictator who is anti-White, but affable. I'm leaving out some of Phora's good minds. Some of them are infrequent posters now and maybe your presence here can help attract them back.

Most of Phora's moderators are racially conscious. We even have Il Ragno as a moderator. :cool: The admins are a stately lot who maintain a distance but throw their weight down at the proper time. You can even argue with decent Jews here, like Guy, Thaumiel, Sprinklehopper, and others. Though properly sharp and never cloying, the Jews are the decentest for manners, which says a lot in this setting. We have our share of Hectors, horseflies, oafs, and trolls but you will learn. And we have fairly good troll-patrol here; not too quick, but definitive. Unfortunately, some of the best posters spend their time in the "Shoutbox," which you cannot see till you have a certain number of posts. Some of the very best debating goes on there. It is the regular perch of a few jabberwockies, but it has some tremendous moments when certain amalgams of personalities show up there.

This is not a place where you can get a strong sense of WN or racialist community. For that you need to go to some other boards. Some networking can be done if you are an honest, sincere poster and not just here for kicks and distractions.

Thorvald Eriksson

04-06-2009, 05:44 AM

My impression too. There are some very good intellectuals here. Macrobius is one. Dan Dare is another. Unfortunately, some of the best ones spend their time in the "Shoutbox," which you can see or participate in till you have a certain number of posts. Some of the very best debating goes on in the Shoutbox.

Thank you. I look forward to exploring this new forum. Right now it looks daunting, but I think it will grow onto me like a splendid ivy.:viking:

Julian Curtis Lee

04-06-2009, 05:58 AM

Thank you. I look forward to exploring this new forum. Right now it looks daunting, but I think it will grow onto me like a splendid ivy.:viking:
It's only daunting when some of the more adolescent types misbehave. I will swat them off of you now and then if necessary. :beerchug:

MartinLindstedt

04-07-2009, 06:15 AM

Capt'n Mamzer Waxes Superior Over VNNF whigger Boat Piss-pul

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=173207#post173207

It might disturb you to know that I have, to this date, not been banned from VNN for some reason. I could have been a forum pigeon shitting on statues there but for the fact that there were no statutes worth shitting upon on VNNF. I could log in at any time if I so chose, as one of their favored balkanoid mamzers. To be banned was an honor I could never seem to secure for some reason, even when I delibeerately tried to get banned. I was the biggest free-range tard in the Greater Free Range Tard Corral. Maybe it was because as big of a whigger/guido pussy like Alex Linder was scared when I told him about the 'Black Belt' I wore between my scrotum and anus.

As for Linder's bullshit, I would say it's typical. Of course you naturally spotted the hypocrisy and contradiction in his words, as opposed to my genuine sincere balkanoid stupidity as innocent as a retarded kitten shitting on a linoleum floor but you have to remember that he is a movement celebrity, as opposed to a bowel Movement irritant like meself which means he is not bound by anything he proclaims before whereas I can lie and in my own little mamzer 'mind' it doesn't matter if no one gives a shit what a listserver pigeon verbally shits. After all, this is a man who was instrumental in the exposure and destruction of the NA, which is a lie as Pierce dying finished off the NA and his board was a major drama generator for the movement afterwards, which goes to show that sometimes I can tell the truth.

Remember, it never gets better here on phorafags/feebs. The balkanoid mamzer monkeys , typical gliberal whiggers, dry-hole femnisheviks, and jews run the phorafag/feeb zoo in the movement here - there will never be any kind of intellectual break-out thanks in part to a phorafag/feeb pigeon shitting on all the threads, leaving behind the mass of VNNF boat piss-pul whigger morons -- this is what phorafags/feebs is all about. The very nature of the movement's ideology attracts typical whigger morons and the even more idiotic mamzers who feed off of the whigger morons, like niggers, beaners and jews. Who wouldn't want to join a movement where you get acceptance and are seen as superior to millions of people simply because you are "white"? Thank D-g they haven't gelded a useless shitter like my balkanoid mamzer self just yet!!!

Captn Mamzer never misses a chance to proclaim its superiority, which is typical for balkanoid mamzers with a massive deserved inferiority complex. After all, they haven't invented anything since their Slav ancestors were raped by the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Khazars, Swedes, Germans, Turks, and any and everyone else passing through conquering these cowardly degenerate mud piss-pul. President Obongo had to lump these balkanoids along with the niggers in his IMF scheme to deal with economic collapse. Which goes to show that they are only marginally more intelligent than niggers and possibly beaners. However, like beaners and niggers and jews, they like to think they get to tell the White man what to do, which is common.

Phorafags/feebs for some reason is infested with balkanoid mamzers and jews [d]ruling over whiggers in their unibrow tanning salon engaging in a psuedo-intellectual circle jerk, pretending the results is Oil of Olay. It can be fun to participate if you are a total whigger feeb pretending that you are still engaged in a bull session in kollidge. But I'm here for the hunting. I can get a full bag of balkanoid or gook or spic mamzer, stupid jew snipers unable to draw a good Genesis 3:15 bead, dry-hole meercatless femnishevik lesboskank, or just typical ZOGling whigger ass-clown, over bait or with the take-down and tracking help of my demon death poopy dawg, Baalzepup.

Well, I can understand why VNNF/TGMNNF/GFRTCNNF is such a toxic environment and welcome you VNNF -- and $permFront -- refugees and boat piss-pul here to phorafags/feebs. After all, they don't have much of an active shore patrol, and it keeps you away from StumbleInn.

When Captn Mamzer tells you about his Black Belt, ask to see where some New Jersey skinhead tore patches of it away.

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12094

Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum

Vessper

04-13-2009, 01:28 AM

My impression too. Very sad. Whites need to learn to attack each other less, and build friendship and brotherhood more. Focus on the negative amongst us less, and more on the positive. And when discussing the negatives of other peoples, to do it with decency and high-mindedness. This doesn't negate vigor and sincerity. Such restraint makes criticism even more effective and will finally attract a great number of Whites to wake up. Because they will only be attracted to nobility.
That's why I'm here basically, to make the people have true love for Europe and the West and not use "love" as hidden hate. But do you really believe what you are saying? Do you want true love, friendship and brotherhood between us or are you just hiding hate?.

Vindex

04-13-2009, 03:50 AM

You say that now. Till some nigger steals your ipod. Then you will fully understand the true nature of the nigger drum beats.

There was nothing in VNN. They beat the active nigger drum everyday all day and night. What are those guys creating? I didn't see hardly anyone that could do anything but post T.N.B. Is that the extent to White Nationalism? I hope to see the intellectuals here where I didn't where I was for six months.

If the blacks stopped being violent that forum would degenerate into being just one flame war after the other. :deadhorse:

Vindex

04-13-2009, 03:51 AM

Your not one of those one season world types are you?

That's why I'm here basically, to make the people have true love for Europe and the West and not use "love" as hidden hate. But do you really believe what you are saying? Do you want true love, friendship and brotherhood between us or are you just hiding hate?.

Vessper

04-13-2009, 04:36 AM

You say that now. Till some nigger steals your ipod. Then you will fully understand the true nature of the nigger drum beats.
Ok, but I don't want to exterminate them because of that. For me, separe from them it's enough. I just want to preserve my folk, culture and race without intervention of foreign races and cultures, niggers can have a country in central america if they want, or whatever, as long as I can have my own land. Isn't a only-White land enough for you?.

Your not one of those one season world types are you? I don't get what you mean, sorry :P (I'm serious, it's not my native language I've never heard it).

Thorvald Eriksson

04-13-2009, 10:00 AM

You say that now. Till some nigger steals your ipod. Then you will fully understand the true nature of
the nigger drum beats.

The difference is I don't need to have that happen to me to know they are savages. I also understand that if nigs are violent and have nothing to contribute to the culture that we don't need endless stories about them. If those idiotic VNNFers would just realize that then they would have to scrounge up something else to talk about. They are glorified rebellious garbage men that talk about the blacks incessantly. What has to be said a million different ways, but the message is the same is an audience of retards.

Bottom line: yes niggers are violent, but to hammer the same message day in and day out is doing what? Blacks generally need to steal and they adhere to no law or moral system; but does that mean that Whites need to sit around and point out everything the monkeys are doing? I find that it's more this :deadhorse: than this :Bluvens:

Mike Jahn

04-13-2009, 10:39 AM

The difference is I don't need to have that happen to me to know they are savages. I also understand that if nigs are violent and have nothing to contribute to the culture that we don't need endless stories about them. If those idiotic VNNFers would just realize that then they would have to scrounge up something else to talk about. They are glorified rebellious garbage men that talk about the blacks incessantly. What has to be said a million different ways, but the message is the same is an audience of retards.

Bottom line: yes niggers are violent, but to hammer the same message day in and day out is doing what? Blacks generally need to steal and they adhere to no law or moral system; but does that mean that Whites need to sit around and point out everything the monkeys are doing? I find that it's more this :deadhorse: than this :Bluvens:

Very true, don't they have anything else to talk about? And who are they trying to reach? What they don't seem to grasp is that many Whites know Blacks are violent and thus they voted for McCain instead of Obama, this is the limit of the interest Whites have in the subject of Black crime. They take that "huge step" :rolleyes: of voting against Obama and then sit their butts back down on the sofa to watch some more ballgames.

:ameritard: :ameritard2:

Lord Nengwen

04-13-2009, 10:45 AM

Mike Jahn

04-13-2009, 10:58 AM

What the heck happened??? :confused:

I thought VNN was supposed to be about 'Naming the jew'!

It must have gone off the rails.

Anyone can be a 'nigger-hater' but it takes more to show what the jews are up too!

Yes, 'Naming the Jew' generally requires reading and there's a strong anti-intellectual current on VNN. Naming the negro is a very simple thing to participate in and you don't have to read anything or know any specific facts to do it. You just hop right into the conversation and say, "Blacks are primitive beasts" and you get a group high five. One of the reasons is that newer White Nationalists are usually still Republicans who aren't comfortable with hating Jews because it doesn't sound like anything they've ever heard on NeoCon radio or seen on Fox News. They also don't really know any Jews in their regular lives so hating Jews feels like a foreign concept to them.

Susan

04-13-2009, 01:09 PM

True intellectuals do not have an anti female bias. True intellectuals are comfortable enough in their own skins and opinions and can tolerate other kinds of thoughts without resorting to the "women are stupid, pathetic, inferior, dumb, incapable, worthless" mantra that exists on these supposedly pro White or free speech boards that are mostly made up of pro White people.

The fact that so many of the male posters have such a vehement almost violent anti female bias tells me that many of them are probably males who may not do well with females in real life. Not all, mind you, but a good many. Either that, or you keep your anti female biases to yourself when around females. No self respecting female would want anything to do with some of you. There are a number of shining exceptions. You can figure out who you are.

And I understand completely the problem with the modern White female these days. I wholeheartedly agree that there are problems in that area. I do not concur with the vicious anti female slurring that goes on here, but I agree that White women have lost their way in this shitty world and that most of the problem seems to be the jew has turned her against her own kind. I am a vehement supporter than something needs to be done to bring back White females into the White way of thinking and living.

Almost every female on this board has something of value to say. Few get heard and given their due respect here. Even Starr who is a Moderator seems to get little respect as a poster from the majority. Starr is a little verbose for my money, and she needs to use paragraphs, but she has something to say. I personally just wish she would find a good White man and have a family and leave this garbage behind. The Internet is not real life and it never will be. Nothing can substitute for actually being in the physical presence of another human being and interacting one on one as communication was intended. The Internet becomes an addictive bad habit that most of us need to break before we lose all ability to communicate with people face to face......or want to.

Specifically about VNN: There is nothing wrong with VNN that a lot less flaming wouldn't cure. There is nothing wrong with naming the nigger and/or the jew. The VNN Main Page is a good forum where there is almost no flaming and the posts are civil. I post there. Linder just needs to decide if he is more anti female or more pro White. Because the two will not go together and were never meant to. Hating females will not further the cause of the pro White agenda.

This idea that this forum or that forum is not "up to snuff" is nonsense. Not everyone reaches a point by the same route. I arrived at this point starting with AmRen and then going to VNN. I have also posted on several other pro White forums. People trash Jared Taylor because they say he's not anti jew enough. People trash Linder because they say he's too anti jew. Who's right? If Whites are talking to each other and thinking on their own about all of these issues and questions, that's a good thing. It's better than being a clueless 'kwan. For now, that may be all we can hope for until things get really bad and either we wake up and fight or we perish.

I am not a scholar and have never misrepresented myself as such. I have opinions on subjects and give them as I see fit. I do have valuable insight about certain subjects and I think my opinions are worth something. I haven't lived all these years for nothing. It's interesting that only on these two boards, VNN and the Phora, is there this flagrant anti female bias. I haven't really encountered it anywhere else--at least not in this malignant form. The flagrant woman hating that goes on here flies in the face of supposed "intellectualism". Men who are confident in themselves simply do not need to insult the other half of their race. If you want to have a boys only club, then meet in person and post a sign outside the door that says No Girls.

Lord Nengwen

04-13-2009, 01:36 PM

The fact that so many of the male posters have such a vehement almost violent anti female bias tells us that many of them are probably males who don't do well with females in real life. Either that, or you keep your anti female biases to yourself when around females. No self respecting female would want anything to do with most of you. There are a few shining exceptions. You can figure out who you are.
Well hopefully I am not on that list! Hear me out though:

Modern females have alot of problems, but so do modern males! The problem is more the lemming liberal-modern mentality then anything.

One of the reasons I am interested in WN is because White Women are getting the short end of the stick (too) even if many don't realize it with the degrading way that the jewish media portrays so-called shiksas! (one need only look at the pathetic 'celeb-utantes' of the Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan variety.)

And yes sure I like to check out the occasional 'laddie mag' but seriously have no interest in most of these negative degrading portrayls that jewish media have been pushing lately!!!! This jewish/ talmudic inspired crud has to be stopped before it poisons anymore young minds!

There is nothing wrong with VNN that a lot less flaming wouldn't cure. There is nothing wrong with naming the nigger and/or the jew. The VNN Main Page is a good forum where there is almost no flaming and the posts are civil. I post there.
That is a good alternative and also Stormfront has an all female forum and I think that is probably a good idea considering some of the neanderthals that lurk around on the internet in general.

Linder just needs to decide if he is more anti female or more pro White. Because the two will not go together and were never meant to. Hating females will not further the cause of the pro White agenda.
That is True! Don't people realize that White Females make up half of our Race for crying out loud! Yes they have problems, but there are male lemmings as well!!!! There is ALOT wrong that needs to be put back on the proper course ALL AROUND!!!

Susan

04-13-2009, 01:52 PM

Lord: I just went back and edited what I wrote as I realized I could have said some things better. Please reread it and then comment.

And, no, you appear to be an extremely well mannered and thoughtful young White man. What you are in real life may be another thing altogether, but here you appear to be just fine. So far, I have been very impressed with your thoughtful posts. For whatever that's worth.

Lord Nengwen

04-13-2009, 02:26 PM

What you are in real life may be another thing altogether, but here you appear to be just fine.

Don't worry I am not some Troll! :)

Lord Nengwen

04-13-2009, 02:36 PM

And I understand completely the problem with the modern White female these days. I wholeheartedly agree that there are problems in that area. I do not concur with the vicious anti female slurring that goes on here, but I agree that White women have lost their way in this shitty world and that most of the problem seems to be the jew has turned her against her own kind. I am a vehement supporter than something needs to be done to bring back White females into the White way of thinking and living.
Good post!

:posrep::thumbsup:

This idea that this forum or that forum is not "up to snuff" is nonsense. Not everyone reaches a point by the same route. I arrived at this point starting with AmRen and then going to VNN. I have also posted on several other pro White forums.
Well my advice is to just go where one feels they fit in the best. I started out on Stormfront and VNN and eventually landed here and am happy here!
People trash Jared Taylor because they say he's not anti jew enough. People trash Linder because they say he's too anti jew. Who's right? If Whites are talking to each other and thinking on their own about all of these issues and questions, that's a good thing. It's better than being a clueless 'kwan. For now, that may be all we can hope for until things get really bad and either we wake up and fight or we perish.
I can see some sense in that but I still insist the jew be named! :jew:

There is no way dumb niggers and dumb indios managed to wreck all this havoc themselves. There must have been some 'high power' directing things on high... THE JEWS! It all clicks when one finds that jews basicly controlled the horrid NAACP.

In closing though I would just mention hey stick on VNNs front blog (I have even posted there like 2-3 times) and don't lose Hope because then that is when all is really lost and I certainly don't want to quite on The White Race! :viking:

Julian Curtis Lee

04-13-2009, 06:30 PM

My last post earned a new neg rep in from the charming Susan, who considered my last friendly post to be too long:
:negrep: Why I left VNN 04-13-2009 05:45 AM Susan
Helium is a nasty woman hater. Apparently, you are too. And an old verbose goat as well. And you're younger than I am. Haha.
Funny thing is she negrepped a friendly, very positive, post that praised a few of the posters here at Forum and said nothing about women:
Welcome to The Phora.

My impression too. Very sad. Whites need to learn to attack each other less, and build friendship and brotherhood more. Focus on the negative amongst us less, and more on the positive. And when discussing the negatives of other peoples, to do it with decency and high-mindedness. This doesn't negate vigor and sincerity. Such restraint makes criticism even more effective and will finally attract a great number of Whites to wake up. Because they will only be attracted to nobility.

There are some very good intellectuals here. Macrobius -- Basil Fawlty -- Dan Dare -- Rollo Tomasi -- Petr, and Helios are some though Helios is not a big racialist and, can we say, a bit of a Bohemian ;) (His sensible approach to women compensates.) When they get going sometimes all you can do is shut up and listen. And some good sensible minds like Errigal -- Leon_de_Poncins -- Mark/Will Robinson -- Leon_de_Poncins -- Arrow Cross -- Jake Featherston -- Mike -- Hakluyt and even Sulla the Dictator who is anti-White, but affable. I'm leaving out some of Phora's good minds. Some of them are infrequent posters now and maybe your presence here can help attract them back.

Most of Phora's moderators are racially conscious. We even have Il Ragno as a moderator. :cool: The admins are a stately lot who maintain a distance but throw their weight down at the proper time. You can even argue with decent Jews here, like Guy, Thaumiel, Sprinklehopper, and others. Though properly sharp and never cloying, the Jews are the decentest for manners, which says a lot in this setting. We have our share of Hectors, horseflies, oafs, and trolls but you will learn. And we have fairly good troll-patrol here; not too quick, but definitive. Unfortunately, some of the best posters spend their time in the "Shoutbox," which you cannot see till you have a certain number of posts. Some of the very best debating goes on there. It is the regular perch of a few jabberwockies, but it has some tremendous moments when certain amalgams of personalities show up there.

This is not a place where you can get a strong sense of WN or racialist community. For that you need to go to some other boards. Some networking can be done if you are an honest, sincere poster and not just here for kicks and distractions.
The worst kind of females get angry when they see men developing friendship. If this nag could cut her posts to one-third or one quarter of their size we would all be richly blessed.
True intellectuals do not have an anti female bias. True intellectuals are comfortable enough in their own skins and opinions and can tolerate other kinds of thoughts without resorting to the "women are stupid, pathetic, inferior, dumb, incapable, worthless" mantra that exists on these supposedly pro White or free speech boards that are mostly made up of pro White people.

The fact that so many of the male posters have such a vehement almost violent anti female bias tells me that many of them are probably males who may not do well with females in real life. Not all, mind you, but a good many. Either that, or you keep your anti female biases to yourself when around females. No self respecting female would want anything to do with some of you. There are a number of shining exceptions. You can figure out who you are.

And I understand completely the problem with the modern White female these days. I wholeheartedly agree that there are problems in that area. I do not concur with the vicious anti female slurring that goes on here, but I agree that White women have lost their way in this shitty world and that most of the problem seems to be the jew has turned her against her own kind. I am a vehement supporter than something needs to be done to bring back White females into the White way of thinking and living.

Almost every female on this board has something of value to say. Few get heard and given their due respect here. Even Starr who is a Moderator seems to get little respect as a poster from the majority. Starr is a little verbose for my money, and she needs to use paragraphs, but she has something to say. I personally just wish she would find a good White man and have a family and leave this garbage behind. The Internet is not real life and it never will be. Nothing can substitute for actually being in the physical presence of another human being and interacting one on one as communication was intended. The Internet becomes an addictive bad habit that most of us need to break before we lose all ability to communicate with people face to face......or want to.

Specifically about VNN: There is nothing wrong with VNN that a lot less flaming wouldn't cure. There is nothing wrong with naming the nigger and/or the jew. The VNN Main Page is a good forum where there is almost no flaming and the posts are civil. I post there. Linder just needs to decide if he is more anti female or more pro White. Because the two will not go together and were never meant to. Hating females will not further the cause of the pro White agenda.

This idea that this forum or that forum is not "up to snuff" is nonsense. Not everyone reaches a point by the same route. I arrived at this point starting with AmRen and then going to VNN. I have also posted on several other pro White forums. People trash Jared Taylor because they say he's not anti jew enough. People trash Linder because they say he's too anti jew. Who's right? If Whites are talking to each other and thinking on their own about all of these issues and questions, that's a good thing. It's better than being a clueless 'kwan. For now, that may be all we can hope for until things get really bad and either we wake up and fight or we perish.

I am not a scholar and have never misrepresented myself as such. I have opinions on subjects and give them as I see fit. I do have valuable insight about certain subjects and I think my opinions are worth something. I haven't lived all these years for nothing. It's interesting that only on these two boards, VNN and the Phora, is there this flagrant anti female bias. I haven't really encountered it anywhere else--at least not in this malignant form. The flagrant woman hating that goes on here flies in the face of supposed "intellectualism". Men who are confident in themselves simply do not need to insult the other half of their race. If you want to have a boys only club, then meet in person and post a sign outside the door that says No Girls.

American-Patriot

04-13-2009, 07:01 PM

Mentious, I didn't see anything in your post that would make someone want to give you a bad rep point. I thought it was well thought out and written. I am not even a White Nationalist but I didn't find anything offensive in what you wrote. Maybe you and Susan have a history that the rest of us don't know about?

I actually agree with one of the points that Susan made. Most of the White Nationalists boards are very anti-women. They are disrespectful of women and they have many threads that men leave their anti-women comments. Such as women are to stupid to be allowed to vote. Women are only good for one thing and that is have babies. Even the tone they address women is very disrespectful. Some even post that a woman has no right to say no if her husband wants to have sex and she isn't feeling well that night.

It seems that a lot of White Nationalists can't understand the difference of women wanting to have the right to be treated as human beings with the rights to vote, get an education, and if she has to work getting equal pay. It just seems like any woman to a White Nationalist who believes women should have rights within society is considered anti-man. That is not true. I am not anti man, but love men and want to as a woman support and help them to become the best they can be and to achieve their goals. At the same time I don't want to be looked down upon because God made me a woman.

You guys are going to need women in your Cause if you are ever going to achieve any of your goals. It actually is good for our side that you are so unfriendly for the most part to your women White Nationalists that you chase them away.

Julian Curtis Lee

04-13-2009, 07:38 PM

Mentious, I didn't see anything in your post that would make someone want to give you a bad rep point.
Indeed. Interesting, no?
I thought it was well thought out and written. I am not even a White Nationalist but I didn't find anything offensive in what you wrote.
That is correct. Listen and learn.
Maybe you and Susan have a history that the rest of us don't know about?
Listen and learn: I post here regularly and she keeps a pleasant distance. See, it was the post itself that upset her. Susan is just one of the most negative female types. One of their traits is they get angry if they see friendship among males. They want to be the center of male attention, they consider male solidarity threatening, etc. Thus her bizarre negrep.

Fascinating, huh?
Maybe you and Susan have a history that the rest of us don't know about?
She now has a "history" with a great many men here. Be a decent guy and soon you'll have a "history" with her too. She is vile and insulting towards other men here; I called her on it once. So she put me on her witch-list. If you have a little male integrity and honesty there is just no avoiding getting targeted by her type.

And you can see that friendly and brotherly words from men to other men enrage her the most.

American-Patriot

04-13-2009, 08:42 PM

Indeed. Interesting, no?

That is correct. Listen and learn.

Listen and learn: I post here regularly and she ignores me. See, it was the post itself that upset her. Susan is just one of the most negative female types. One of their traits is they get angry if they see friendship among males. They want to be the center of male attention, they consider male solidarity threatening, etc. Thus her bizarre negrep.

Fascinating, huh?

She now has a "history" with a great man men here. Be a decent guy and soon you'll have a "history" with her too. She is vile and insulting towards other men here; I called her on it once. So she put me on her witch-list. If you have a little male integrity and honesty there is just no avoiding getting targeted by her type.

And you can see that friendly and brotherly words from men to other men enrage her the most.

Actually I am a woman, but I don't see anything wrong with men having time together and being part of male bonding. I actually used to enjoy going out to lunch with the other women and being part of girl bonding. I think we all need to make friendships and have that time together and so I am not threaten by guys having time with the guys.

Starr

04-13-2009, 08:54 PM

Very true, don't they have anything else to talk about? And who are they trying to reach? What they don't seem to grasp is that many Whites know Blacks are violent and thus they voted for McCain instead of Obama, this is the limit of the interest Whites have in the subject of Black crime. They take that "huge step" :rolleyes: of voting against Obama and then sit their butts back down on the sofa to watch some more ballgames.

:ameritard: :ameritard2:

What you guys are talking about here is partially true. Whites know blacks have a crime problem. Whites also don't care for living around or being around blacks due to this among a few other things. I do think, though, that whites are clueless about the exact extent of the problem. A lot of them also blame the problem on things like gangsta rap(this is the impression they always get from white neo con types) and have not been thoroughly exposed to the idea of the problem being genetic.

Starr

04-13-2009, 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=Susan]

This idea that this forum or that forum is not "up to snuff" is nonsense. Not everyone reaches a point by the same route. I arrived at this point starting with AmRen and then going to VNN. I have also posted on several other pro White forums. People trash Jared Taylor because they say he's not anti jew enough. People trash Linder because they say he's too anti jew. Who's right? If Whites are talking to each other and thinking on their own about all of these issues and questions, that's a good thing. It's better than being a clueless 'kwan. For now, that may be all we can hope for until things get really bad and either we wake up and fight or we perish.

This is just typical of how way too many people are. "my way or the highway" I think it is a good thing for there to be a variety of different views which all have the same base ideas. It is a good idea for there to be a debate among white pro white people rather than one monolithic mind and way of looking at things. And yes, you are very right that everyone comes to these views through different methods. For me it began with Pat Buchanan. Someone like Pat is a very good beginning. He removes the idea that there is something morally wrong in caring about traditional white Christian culture. There are people who would prefer someone like Pat did not even exist. They will say he serves a negative purpose. That he is "false opposition" Same thing with Jared Taylor. It is annoying as well as nutty and paranoid to say that certain people are secretly working to advance other interests just because they do not say or believe everything you want them to. If it is nutty and paranoid to me, I wonder what other white people, who are new to our way of thinking, believe? We probably sound like a bunch of fruitcakes who absolutely cannot tolerate any kind of dissent among our own ranks. Not good when the idea is always out there that we have an extreme totalitarian ideology as it is.

I also have a problem with some of the wild "jews control all" "jews are behind everything" conspiracy theories. Some of what people go into again makes us sound like a bunch of nuts who cannot be trusted when it comes to VERY REAL grievances we may have with jews. This is very important. I wish in this area that people will stick to facts and things they can prove rather than going into rants, for example, about how jews seek our genocide and that we are all a bunch of pathetic powerful victims(like the negro whose every problem can be traced to the oppressive white man) This kind of thinking also immediately suggests defeat. But all of this is just my opinion. I would not suggest that everyone must conform to it or else they are secretly "doing the enemies work."

You are correct about too many of the males in regards to women. White women are going to be very hesistant about supporting a movement where many of the males speak of them as if they are the enemy or too stupid to be trusted. This just ensures greater support for feminists and liberals. It does not advance the pro white cause to play into the white male vs. white female thinking. Everytime a feminist speaks about the evil oppressive white western male or an angry white male says "women are stupid and need to be put on a leash" you get pushed towards the same negative end result.

Mentious is very anti feminist, this might get mistaken for something other than what it is. He is not one of the anti female types, at all, though. Mentious gives women all the respect in the world if they show respect to him and conduct themselves in a lady like fashion.

Susan

04-13-2009, 09:25 PM

Poor Mentious. Always the drama queen. My comment was directed at his comment about Helium who is one of the most vile, woman haters on this website. He has sent me more than one, as I recall, nasty comment with a red dot about something.

Mentious loves to label people and put them in little boxes and call them names and belittle them. Don't ask me why. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but there seems to be a lot of nastiness lurking just below the surface of Mentious' smiling avatars.

Me a man hater? Bwahaha. I adore decent men and unfortunately there are few of them around here. But there are a few to be found here. Check out the poems I post--almost all romantic poems which I love. Not all, but many. What I don't like, and never will, are men who have a nasty streak which shows itself rather easily when the surface is faintly scratched. There are a lot of those around here too.

Someone here, a man, posted some silly thread a while back called "Is This Angelic Beauty?" and pictured some tarted up actress/babe in a low cut evening gown with her bosoms pushed up. I wrote a post on my feelings about it and Mentious went ballistic and has never been the same since. He really showed his true colors.

Up until then, we'd had no problems. The same thing happened a week or so ago when I sent Loony Lindstedt a private comment, perfectly harmless, asking him whether or not it was a good idea to continue to insult other pro White people along with a red dot. Lindstedt completely lost it, calling me every name but a child of God, and showing his true colors as well. Of course, Marty is the king of passing judgment on others. Just check out his catalog of threads here. Whew!

I just consider the sources of these childish public temper tantrums and turn off the computer.

Susan

04-13-2009, 09:30 PM

Two things Starr: I'm afraid you're wrong about Mentious. And, you'll probably have to close this thread before long it will get so nasty.

Julian Curtis Lee

04-13-2009, 09:48 PM

Poor Mentious. Always the drama queen.
There she is again. Can you see why everybody loves this VNN hag? My posts were well-reasoned and analytical, actually. Here's drama, little queenie:
Susan: Helium is a nasty woman hater. Apparently, you are too. And an old verbose goat as well. And you're younger than I am. Haha
Who the hell is "helium" anyway?
Mentious is very anti feminist, this might get mistaken for something other than what it is. He is not one of the anti female types, at all, though. Mentious gives women all the respect in the world if they show respect to him and conduct themselves in a lady like fashion.
That's exactly correct. A Lady is a pleasant thing. I also go to bat for ladies, and get into it with male posters here, no matter how well-established, if I see them rude to a decent female here. I have even clashed with Azimuth and Il Ragno -- both of whom I admire, and two wits with whom a fight is not to be relished -- over simple rudeness to female posters, who I think should be treated with respect and tolerance as a baseline. Starr is a good woman, and I have never criticized her or tusselled with her once, and that was before she was a moderator. (And she's well worthy to be an admin, even. Starr is so unflaggingly respectful -- and smart -- that if she banned be I'd know I deserved it.) All it takes is a little respect.

Susan, because of her basic bitterness, VNN degeneration syndrome, and covert feminism, is incapable of communicating respect for men. My only original criticism of Susan was over her long and extremely insulting post directed at a batch of different males here. After a large post full of poisoned words she later attacked others for not 'speaking nicely.' She is the queen of bitter words, so I reproduced her post, with my comments. Instead of admitting she was caught red-handed, she got her back up and began sending me even more poisonous pens, finally lying low until my praise of a few fellows here agitated her so much that she had to break cover again:
Helium is a nasty woman hater. Apparently, you are too. And an old verbose goat as well. And you're younger than I am. Haha
Actually I am a woman, but I don't see anything wrong with men having time together and being part of male bonding. I actually used to enjoy going out to lunch with the other women and being part of girl bonding. I think we all need to make friendships and have that time together and so I am not threaten by guys having time with the guys.
Well, peace to you. It is good that you are posting at the Phora. You evaluated my original post accurately for what it was.
Two things Starr: I'm afraid you're wrong about Mentious.
Susan knows me well. I used to deliver papers to her trailer park when I was but 12. Her third husband, at that time, would always try to cheat me when I tried to collect the weekly buck-fifty for the Sunday paper. There in her t-shirt beside the bar-b-que, she would always cajole him, "Oh, pay him Dirk!" She always took my side, and for that I am forever grateful. That's why I give her a lot of breaks to this day.
And, you'll probably have to close this thread before long it will get so nasty.
With you here, that's guaranteed, yes.