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kevinwalsh
04-07-2009, 04:52 PM
My favourite sports are generally those of solitary participation which would not be particularly fun to watch others do, such as hiking, mountain climbing, and non-competition swimming. Once in a while, however, I will attend a rodeo in person as a spectator. Over the years I've grown used to the introductory rituals, which sometimes include a prayer (and if a believer, I might imagine a deity laughing back saying, "If you must play silly games with the dangerous animals I created, someone will get hurt, so don't go praying to me about that.") and which always include displays of the Jew government's flag and the playing of "To Anacreon In Heaven" (though this fine 18th Century English drinking song is ruined by the bombastic lyrics of Francis Scott Key). I generally sit patiently through this nonsense while nearly everyone else stands at attention and wait for the real action to begin. I did once shout back to an announcer, "Salute Yankee colours?! Why not just say, 'Bend over!'?"

At two rodeos I attended recently (one in October 2008 in Phoenix and one just last Saturday afternoon in Cave Creek), there have been attempts to entice spectators to remain after the end of the performances to stand to attention to more pseudo-patriotic songs. In both cases the stock contractor was Honeycutt, and in both cases the terminal pseudo-patriot song was "God Bless America," by the Jewish song writer Irving Berlin.

Strangely the reactions were different. The first time (October), those invited to stand promptly did and promptly exited the arena seating. The second time in Cave Creek, however, nearly everyone remained standing. Of course the announcer said something a little different this time. He said, "I invite all of you who support our troops to stand." I must confess I stood and promptly left the arena. Perhaps I could have been more emphatic by crawling down the bleachers instead of walking down them so that I would not appear to give any endrosement to troops, but then it was the announcer who said standing signified something, not I. As I walked towards the dirt parking lot, crowded with vehicles but nearly deserted of people, it occurred to me that this was my chance for a quick escape. Normally I linger after rodeos, relaxing or taking a walk, knowing that there would be a traffic jam and that I might as well wait outdoors rather than wait in my car.

On my way, I encountered a few half-hearted people who were holding their hats over their chests in deference to the song even as they were leaving, but the overwhelming majority stood at attention in the arena seating as I left. True to my prediction, I escaped the parking lot very quickly and had very little traffic with which to contend. Maybe this new double-patriotardism has its advantages. As to those inside, I don't know how listening to that Jewish song made them think they were helping anyone's troops, but I'm sure my friends in the Iraqi Resitance and the Taliban wouldn't want me listening to Jewish music to support them. For all the advantage in my escape, I still wish Honeycutt would bring back their politically neutral exit song "Happy Trails."

Captain Marinesko
04-08-2009, 05:39 AM
Even with my extensive knowledge, and ongoing study of military history, I have still yet to find any reference in the literature to support the hypothesis that people claiming to "support the troops" thousands of miles away from the battlefront actually has any effect on the outcome of a military campaign. I see they still have not learned this in America.

Ahknaton
04-08-2009, 05:41 AM
Even with my extensive knowledge, and ongoing study of military history, I have still yet to find any reference in the literature to support the hypothesis that people claiming to "support the troops" thousands of miles away from the battlefront actually has any effect on the outcome of a military campaign. I see they still have not learned this in America.
So you don't think that fighting in an unpopular war (e.g. Vietnam) undermines the morale of soldiers?

Captain Marinesko
04-08-2009, 05:49 AM
So you don't think that fighting in an unpopular war (e.g. Vietnam) undermines the morale of soldiers?

The idea that lack of popular support at home was a major deciding factor in the failure of the US in Vietnam was the favorite hypothesis advanced by the failed generals as well as conservatives. The truth is that the US was soundly defeated on the battlefield, and in the halls of power where policies on Vietnam were hammered out.

There are many facts and figures from the conflict that bear this out. For example, take the amount of ordnance dropped along the Ho Chi Minh trail, plus all the fuel, planes, and resources that entailed(e.g. sensors dropped along the trail). With all of that, they managed to get about 40% of the TRUCKS on the trail, when a great deal was usually transported by porter or bicycle(both of which were far harder to detect).

Another figure, found in the book Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheehan, is the fact that at one point(prior to Tonkin) the US was unwittingly providing so many arms to the Vietcong that the latter could literally equip all of its forces with American weapons. This happened because they gave weapons to village militias, who promptly turned them over to VC. At this time(before the North had become involved on any large scale), the VC actually didn't like to receive shipments of Soviet or Chinese arms, because they mostly were using American weapons, so ammunition was plentiful for them.

Lord Nengwen
04-18-2009, 03:06 AM
Just stay at home and watch sports on tv so you don't have to put up with this patriotard stuff :ameritard:

I would rather watch a commercial (which they usually cut too during this ceremony) then be part of these lemming events.