Moors want Spain to apologise after 400 years

[Felix the Cat]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6062587.ece

It was the start of one of the earliest and most brutal episodes of ethnic cleansing in Europe, so Spain is, understandably perhaps, a little reluctant to mark the occasion.

Four hundred years ago today King Philip III signed an order to expel 300,000 Moriscos - or part-Muslims - who had converted from Islam to Christianity.

Over the next five years hundreds of the exiles died as they were forced from their homes in Spain to North Africa at the height of the Spanish Inquisition.

There are no plans to mark the date officially, although the occasion is being remembered in a series of exhibitions, conferences and public debates.

The anniversary comes days after José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, the Spanish Prime Minister, met Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, in Istanbul to celebrate the United Nations Alliance of Civilisations, which is intended to foster friendship between the West and the Islamic world.

Some Muslim writers and Spanish and Moroccan campaigners believe that Madrid should apologise for the wrongs committed during the 17th century. Juan Goytisolo, a Spanish novelist, said:

“Official and academic Spain retires into the fortress of cautious silence, which reveals obvious discomfort. The expulsion was the first European precedent ... of the European ethnic cleansings of the last century.”

The anniversary highlights once again the uneasy relationship which exists between modern-day Spain and its Moorish, or Muslim, past. Muslims conquered much of the Iberian Peninsula in the 8th century after arriving from North Africa but, centuries later, their armies were finally expelled in 1492 after the victory of the Catholic monarchs King Ferdinand of Castile and Queen Isabella of Aragon.

Hundreds of thousands of Muslims who remained in Spain were forced to convert to Christianity, but many continued with their Muslim names and ways of life, defying all attempts to create a Catholic state.

After military losses to the Protestant Dutch, King Philip signed a decree on April 9, 1609, to expel these reluctant converts, in a move he hoped would strengthen his kingdom.

Historians record the brutal conditions in which many hundreds were killed during the forced resettlement in North Africa over the next five years and Spanish society was, in fact, weakened economically and politically as a result - particularly in areas such as Valencia and Aragon, where the majority of the Muslim converts had lived.

Historians and writers have urged the Government to use the anniversary of the event to make overtures to the Islamic world. José Manuel Fajardo, a Spanish writer, said: “Mr Zapatero has an opportunity to transform one of the most tragic episodes in the history of Spain into an opportunity for a re-encounter between the West and Islam.”

However, a spokesman for the Government said: “There are no plans to mark the anniversary.”

The defeat of the Moors in 1492 and the expulsion of the Moriscos from 17th-century Spain has become a politically sensitive subject, with Osama bin Laden referring to it in repeated calls for the restoration of al-Andalus, the former Muslim kingdom in the Iberian Peninsula.

[Joe McCarthy]

The defeat of the Moors in 1492 and the expulsion of the Moriscos from 17th-century Spain has become a politically sensitive subject, with Osama bin Laden referring to it in repeated calls for the restoration of al-Andalus, the former Muslim kingdom in the Iberian Peninsula.

Suffice it to say that bin Laden's call is not widely known.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

This is at the same time of the hight of north african white slave snaching. Some nerve to ask Spain for anything.

[Jimbo Gomez]

This is at the same time of the hight of north african white slave snaching. Some nerve to ask Spain for anything.


They demand an apology because they know they'll get it.

[Jake Featherston]

Suffice it to say that bin Laden's call is not widely known.

I've heard it referenced many times in the U.S. media.


"Hey Moors, I've got your 'apology' right here! Come and get it, boys!"

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They demand an apology because they know they'll get it.

Let them have it, so that we europeans can become pissed about them not following suit, and apologise for the constant piracy and enslavement of europeans that Islam have sanctioned.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Let them have it, so that we europeans can become pissed about them not following suit, and apologise for the constant piracy and enslavement of europeans that Islam have sanctioned.


Almost nobody cares in Europe, and among those few who do only a minority will say it.

[NeoCornelio]

Almost nobody cares in Europe, and among those few who do only a minority will say it.


I'd say that those who feel represented by our government usually don't care about such issues. And those who more or less care about all this (apologizing to Islam), like me, do not feel represented by our Government, so we don't care either.

Anyway, we are talking about a country, Spain, who has a pacifist woman as Defense Minister. Apologizing to the moors is almost passable in comparison.

[Empress Cheesatine]

Let them have it, so that we europeans can become pissed about them not following suit, and apologise for the constant piracy and enslavement of europeans that Islam have sanctioned.

I doubt many Europeans know about it, considering how textbooks are cleansed and ideologically slanted against whites.

[Jake Featherston]

I doubt many Europeans know about it, considering how textbooks are cleansed and ideologically slanted against whites.

I'm pretty sure Europeans know about the Islamic slaving raids into Europe. Its a major part of their history, and awareness of it is strewn through out their culture, literature, etc. The average 14-year old, maybe not so much, but among adults, yeah.

[klipgeit]

Almost nobody cares in Europe, and among those few who do only a minority will say it.

Spain should apologize.
I do not wish to lose my Moorkoppen recipe
The moors should ask themselves how many Spanish women they raped or villages pillaged.They have become like all other Africans. A bloody pain in the White's ass.

Faith and War

Don Pelayo and the Battle of Covadonga, 718

The Surrender of Granada, 1492

For 19th century Spain the supremacy of the Moors was not only a political but also a religious threat. The memory of the Muslim rule of the Moors had a special place in the historiography and national consciousness of Spain.

The Moors invaded Spain in 711 and quickly spread their rule across the entire Iberian peninsula. Resistance began to stir in northern Spain under the leadership of the Gothic prince Pelayo. When the Muslim governor of Cordoba sent forces to the north in 718, Pelayo's troops apparently lured the Moors into an ambush and defeated them. There is no historical document to verify this incident, but it was often related and painted in the 19th century. The illustrations show Don Pelayo specifically as a Christian hero. In the painting by Luis Madrazo y Kuntz he is portrayed leaning on a cross while he speaks to his people, and a Christian church was built at the site of the victory.

The Moors stayed in Spain for more than 700 years. Their last bastion fell in 1492 when the combined armies of Castile and Aragon took Granada. The rulers, Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, had united the two largest kingdoms of the Iberian peninsula through marriage in 1469. The final victory over the Moors reinstated the territorial unity of Spain. For contemporaries as well as later for historians the need was felt to pay tribute not only to the political and military successes, but also to the victory of Christianity over Islam. This is also reflected in the honorary title of »Catholic Kings« given to Ferdinand and Isabella by Pope Alexander VI.
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http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/mythen/english/spanien.html

[Jimbo Gomez]

I'm pretty sure Europeans know about the Islamic slaving raids into Europe. Its a major part of their history, and awareness of it is strewn through out their culture, literature, etc. The average 14-year old, maybe not so much, but among adults, yeah.


You'd be unpleasantly surprised of the ignorance of people.

[Empress Cheesatine]

You'd be unpleasantly surprised of the ignorance of people.

I'm not surprised. Historical texts schoolkids are reared on are ideologically geared to prepare them as automatons in a multicult society. The only racial pride these kinds of books promote or allow is that from groups with grievances against whitey. The attitude toward whites in general is like that of Germans in WWII: there's no such thing as a white (or German) victim. Whites are the bourgeois exploiter class, and everyone else are their victims.

[Empress Cheesatine]

This is at the same time of the hight of north african white slave snaching. Some nerve to ask Spain for anything.

That's Muslims. They believe they have the right to go anywhere and do as they wish, while their lands are sacrosanct. Imagine if whites set sail and snatched over a million Muslims from their coastal areas, the fit these people would throw.

Spain should properly respond by throwing a party and kicking out more Muslims.

[Joe McCarthy]

Bear in mind that a key component of the 'Get the Jews but ignore the Muslims' worldview is to assume that the 'Jew media' keeps whites, or in this case Europeans well informed on things Islam so as to provoke whites into 'getting Muslims' for 'the Jews'.

This is nonsense but it is a widely held view in our 'circles'. To challenge it will be met head on by these types as it is a threat to their myopic anti-Semitism.

[Felix the Cat]

I'm pretty sure Europeans know about the Islamic slaving raids into Europe. Its a major part of their history, and awareness of it is strewn through out their culture, literature, etc. The average 14-year old, maybe not so much, but among adults, yeah.
The ideological and class conflicts of the 20th century still dominate the historical worldview of most people, even among the educated and informed.

Interest in the religious quarrels of former centuries is limited, though since 9/11 it has been growing
Bear in mind that a key component of the 'Get the Jews but ignore the Muslims' worldview is to assume that the 'Jew media' keeps whites, or in this case Europeans well informed on things Islam so as to provoke whites into 'getting Muslims' for 'the Jews'.Incidents of religious and racial conflict are downplayed by the media so as not to generate ethnic tension. It's generally not Jews who do this but well-meaning gentiles.

[Sheza]

I'm half-Moroccan.

The Spanish can apologise to me by making me a paella and fetching me a beer. If any of the girls wanna sleep with me tonight I shall do so if they absolutely insist. Only the fit ones though.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I'm half-Moroccan.

The Spanish can apologise to me by making me a paella and fetching me a beer. If any of the girls wanna sleep with me tonight I shall do so if they absolutely insist. Only the fit ones though.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they allow your kind back in after 500 years so that they wouldn't have to serve paellas themselves anymore?

[cerberus]

Demanding an apology for whast happened 400 years ago is insane - is GB now to demand that Italy apologises for the Roman invasion or is India to ask Greece to aplogise for Alexander the Great ?
Modern politics and ancient history = utter crap.

[calvin]

I'm half-Moroccan

That little thing called your face shows that you are genetically 100% Semite.

Oh, and I'll have half a litre of semi-skimmed and twenty Regal son.

[Dorothy Catalonia]

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Shouldn't you be bowing and licking up dirt with the rest of your hideous people, rather than posting here?

[Sheza]

Shouldn't you be bowing and licking up dirt with the rest of your hideous people, rather than posting here?

Hola Dorothy, ¿Cómo estás?

¿Como es catalunya?
Porque quiero vivir y trabajar en Barcelona en el futuro.

[Schizo]

That little thing called your face shows that you are genetically 100% Semite.

The marocans are not exactly semites. They are mainly berbers-- quite different race (aboriginal north african) from the arabs and jews (asiatic race).

On the topic I don't think the spaniards should apologize. Moors vs. Spain : even match.

[Sheza]

The marocans are not exactly semites. They are mainly berbers-- quite different race (aboriginal north african) from the arabs and jews (asiatic race).

On the topic I don't think the spaniards should apologize. Moors vs. Spain : even match.

Roughly half of Morrocans are Berbers and the rest are brown Arabs, Jews and "Black Arabs". The Berbers tend to have lighter skin. My family are from Casablanca which is a "brown Arab" city (which historically had a large Jewish population) unlike say Marrakech or Agadir which are "Berber" cities.

[Geist]

I'm half-Moroccan.

The Spanish can apologise to me by making me a paella and fetching me a beer. If any of the girls wanna sleep with me tonight I shall do so if they absolutely insist. Only the fit ones though.

Last I checked in Spain the only thing a Moroccan does for a Spaniard is fetch the cocaine.

[Geist]

@Jake: You gotta be kidding me. Nobody in Europe knows about Muslim raids of white folk. You've been posting online too long.

[harjit]

@Jake: You gotta be kidding me. Nobody in Europe knows about Muslim raids off white folk. You've been posting online too long.
Your observation reminds me of when race people on these boards say things like how easy it would be to turn the public to bloodthirst toward non-whites, or wake them up to the Jew question, if only, if only they would get fair public exposure.

If you're already a racialist, already have the basic psychological inclinations and weltanschauung that are needed to be a racialist, and are viewing 100s of posts on a daily basis confirming your worst ideas about blacks and Jews, it is understandable that turning the public will appear as a potential slam dunk.

[Dreadnought]

@Jake: You gotta be kidding me. Nobody in Europe knows about Muslim raids of white folk. You've been posting online too long. There is a certain awareness of it here. It was brought up a bit in the whole "200th anniversary of apologising for slave trade" thing, which obviously would not have been an event in Ireland.

If you're already a racialist, already have the basic psychological inclinations and weltanschauung that are needed to be a racialist, and are viewing 100s of posts on a daily basis confirming your worst ideas about blacks and Jews, it is understandable that turning the public will appear as a potential slam dunk. If online material can have that reinforcing effect, imagine the effect mainstream media can… oh, wait, it does.