Kate Beckinsale- exemplification of aryan facial features

[EdwardSmith]

I found this image of Kate Beckinsale, and noticed how well her face at this angle and lighting clearly illustrate
the distinguishing facial features of the aryans who originated on the western steppes, as distinguished from
non-aryan europeans. The oblique angle is typically best for this, as I suppose would be the case to identify any race:

http://www.cotse.net/users/t3nj/face-PH24.jpg

The following are the defining aryan features that are clearly visible in this picture:
*The forehead is vertical.
*There is no nasion depression. The nosebridge is full, such that there is continuity between the forehead and nosebridge.
*The eyes and cheekbones are set significantly deeper than the forehead and nosebridge.
*The front of the jaw (both mandible and maxilla) is much narrower than the cheekbones. This results in a fleshy area
between the cheekbones and the front of the jaw, which has a slight concavity to it.
*The cheekbones are 'squared off', being flat on their front side, and sharply angling backward on their outer edge.
*There is a subtle diagonal line in the flesh, starting at the inner tip of the eye and moving in an outward-downward
direction over the cheek.
*The nose is straight, and relatively narrow.
*There is relatively little distance between the bottom of the nose and the top of the upper lip. (in stark contrast to
australoids, many africans, and indigenous irish)
*The eyes do not bug out at all. (unlike those of many africans and turks)
*When the eyes are open, there are no significant lines that distinguish the eyelids.
*The lips are of medium thickness. (in stark contrast to the exceptionally thin lips of some indigenous west europeans)
*There is no unibrow hair.
*The eyebrows are relatively straight and horizontal.


Now that that is established, the question that comes to my mind is: How many children does Kate Beckinsale have?
I wonder that because reproduction is necessary to proliferate these traits. The answer is that she has only 1 child,
a daughter (which is much better than none, but is less than the break-even number of 2). Kate has split up with her
boyfriend with which she has had the child, and they alternate between seeing their daughter. Kate Beckinsale is
currently at about the end of her good fertile years. A sad tale of the diminishing aryan gene pool.

[Lud]

Aryan plastic surgery ftw.

[Mike Jahn]

She's part-Asiatic according to what I've heard. Indonesian I think.

[Arrow Cross]

She's part-Asiatic according to what I've heard. Indonesian I think.
Source? Or is that a mere gossip? Because if so, it certianly doesn't hold much ground.

[Mike Jahn]

Source? Or is that a mere gossip? Because if so, it certianly doesn't hold much ground.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000295/bio says this-

Richard Beckinsale's maternal grandfather - her great-grandfather - was Burmese.

[Captain Blackbeard]

Source? Or is that a mere gossip? Because if so, it certianly doesn't hold much ground.


Born in Finsbury Park, London,[2] Beckinsale is the daughter of actor Richard Beckinsale, who died from a heart attack in 1979, and actress Judy Loe. She has a paternal half-sister, Samantha, who is also an actress. Beckinsale's paternal great-grandfather was Burmese, and Beckinsale has said that she was "very oriental-looking" as a child.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Beckinsale#Early_life

[Winston]

Richard Beckinsale didn't look at all Asian, and Kate has even less Asian blood.

[Saqqara]

By the way, I found her unibrow.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3622/unibrow.jpg

Since when are fat lips, epicanthic folds, brown eyes and dark hair with a short upturned nose aryan traits? I'm also wondering where her chin is...

If that passes for aryan, then why bother with racial purity? :rofl:

[EdwardSmith]

Richard Beckinsale didn't look at all Asian, and Kate has even less Asian blood.

A person always has 50% of the genes of each parent. With grandparents and more distant relatives though,
the percentages are much more variable. The 50% of one's genes that come from one parent may come
more from one grandparent than the other, due to the gene-shuffling that occurs during meiosis.

Kate Beckinsale's 1/8th asian ancestry is of very little concern to me anyway. I am far less concerned with a
little bit of asian DNA than I am with the vast amount of racial scum that can be found among europeans.
For example, have you seen Carleton Coon's pictures of the neo-danubians? Disgusting. That's why I'm not
a white nationalist.

By the way, I've improved the list of aryan facial features in the original post.

[EdwardSmith]

By the way, I found her unibrow.

Since when are fat lips, epicanthic folds, brown eyes and dark hair with a short upturned nose aryan traits? I'm also wondering where her chin is...

If that passes for aryan, then why bother with racial purity? :rofl:


You're trolling, right?

If you consider Kate Beckinsale's lips to be fat, then you evidently believe that the very thin lips that are characteristic
of many indigenous pre-aryan western europeans are an aryan trait.

I'm also wondering what kind of nose you consider to be aryan, if you consider Kate's nose to be too short and upturned.
It sounds like you're looking for a prominent convex dinaric nose. Since the nasal bone is typically more prominent in
males, your idea of an 'aryan' male nose would be especially prominent and convex.

Light eyes and light hair are statistically somewhat more common among aryans, but they are not a defining trait.
There are certainly a vast number of non-aryan europeans that have such traits.

I bet that your definition of aryan is something like 'european with pale skin, light hair, light eyes, tall strong build, and
robust bones of the chin, cheeks, and nose'.

On the other hand, the traits that I have listed, which appear in the picture that I provided, are traits in common between
some indians (since a population of aryans had migrated south into India) and nordics, and which correlate to intelligence
and civilized character.

I also know that you are not an aryan. Vulgar mockery based upon flimsy grounds is not a behavior of aryan character.

[Vessper]

I would really want to know what you all mean with Aryan. As far as I know, originally the Hindustani and Gypsy languages, among others, are known as "Aryan". I also know that since Nazism it started to make reference to the Germanic people. Though, I don't think this girl is a good example of neither of both references, so would someone please tell me what you mean with "Aryan"?.

[Arrow Cross]

I would really want to know what you all mean with Aryan. As far as I know, originally the Hindustani and Gypsy languages, among others, are known as "Aryan". I also know that since Nazism it started to make reference to the Germanic people. Though, I don't think this girl is a good example of neither of both references, so would someone please tell me what you mean with "Aryan"?.
Alas, "Aryan" is a word not unlike "racism". There are more definitions lingering about than people using it.

[Petyr Baelish]

Richard Beckinsale didn't look at all Asian, and Kate has even less Asian blood.

Nevertheless, her facial morphology shows unambiguous traces of Asiatic ancestry (flattened horizontal facial profile, epicanthic eyefold on one eye, etc..) It's more evident in some pictures than others:

http://www.katebeckinsalegallery.com/images/katebeckinsaleWallpaper/Katebeckinsale-HighQuality/Kate-beckinsale-HQ35.jpg

She could easily be a quarter Japanese...

[leondegrance]

Supposedly she some slight Burmese admixture, but none that's really detectable. Anyone can point out anything in someone's photo if they look hard enough (or plant the idea).

[Petyr Baelish]

Supposedly she some slight Burmese admixture, but none that's really detectable. Anyone can point out anything in someone's photo if they look hard enough (or plant the idea).

It's kind of hard to fake or hallucinate an epicanthus.

In any event, what I am more interested in is what leads EdwardSmith to believe that the Aryans (I assume that by that term he means the direct genetic descendants of the people who brought Indo-European languages to Eurasia) had the facial features he describes.

[leondegrance]

It's kind of hard to fake or hallucinate an epicanthus.



Someone like a Jacqueline Bisset might be a slightly better example of Aryan classification.

http://www.jacquelinebissetfans.org/jbpic/gall01/jb009.jpg

[Petyr Baelish]

Someone like a Jacqueline Bisset might be a slightly better example of Aryan classification.

Can you elaborate upon your understanding of the term Aryan? I associate the word with the direct genetic descendants of the original speakers of proto-Indo-European. The physical type most closely associated with these people is Coon's Corded/Lawrence's Nordic-Iranian:

The Nordic-Iranian type. By J. Lawrence Angel.

From "A RACIAL ANALYSIS OF THE ANCIENT GREEKS: AN ESSAY ON THE USE OF MORPHOLOGICAL TYPES. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY. vol. 2 Number 4.

The name Nordic-Iranian is compounded for type D because it contains slightly divided tendencies. They heavy Nordic-Iranian skull is large, long, and high, with long base and peculiarly deep occiput. A well-filled appearance and a smooth-contoured ellipsoid or ovoid norma verticalis set off the skull’s sharply cut muscle attachments and well developed browridges. Considerable backward tilt of the frontal goes with a receding and capacious forehead. Like the frontal the parietals are smooth and week-bossed with very little lambdoid flattening, though some occipital “overlap” may tend to occur. A powerful torus divides the full cerebellar region from the cerebral bulge of the occiput above, and the appreciable depth of the rear third of the vault is reflected in the long occipital arc. The high, leptoprosopic, face is rectangular, combining broad forehead and jowls with relatively narrow midfacial region. Thus the noticeably drooping orbits are enclosed by large but compressed and slightly retreating cheekbones, and slight midfacial protrusion supports the aquiline nose.

This nose is large in all dimensions, high at root and bridge, concavo-convex and markedly salient in profile, with a strongly jutting spine. The long and high-arched palate shows neither the modern “Gothic” narrowing nor any alveolar prognathism. The jaw is big and rugged, with some eversion of the widely spread angles and cleft and relatively deep chin whose lack of prominence suits a variable trend toward a convex facial profile. A reduction in size of the upper third molars seems unconnected with other masticatory features.

The Nordic-Iranian type is fairly homogeneous, though it masks some diverse trends (1), and excess variability is centered in the minimum frontal and upper facial breadths as well as parietal length and nose height.

These regional variabilities suggest Central European Nordic versus Near Eastern contrast. It is not surprising that Nordic-Iranians show no significant differences from Bajuvars from Munich Reinhengräber (Kramp, ’38, and Wallis in Coon, p. 664, table 44) as seen in table 12:
Source (http://forum.stirpes.net/nordid/12411-nordic-iranian-type-j-lawrence-angel.html)

Neither Bisset nor Beckinsale are representatives of this type.

[leondegrance]

Can you elaborate upon your understanding of the term Aryan? I associate the word with the direct genetic descendants of the original speakers of proto-Indo-European. The physical type most closely associated with these people is Coon's "Corded"Larence's Nordic-Iranian.

I'm not actually sure of the technical definition. I just equate it with what I consider "whiteness", which really has a bit more to do with morphology than with just skin tone.

I do tend to shy away from the word since it has been given, rightly or wrongly, a negative connotation.

[Petyr Baelish]

I'm not actually sure of the technical definition. I just equate it with what I consider "whiteness", which really has a bit more to do with morphology than with just skin tone.

Shouldn't the epitome of whiteness combine highly-developed Europid morphology with extreme depigmenation? While I do think that morphology is ultimately far more valuable for diagnostic criteria, Near Easterners and Hindus have morphological features far more derived in the Europid direction (consider their hirsuteness, nasality and facial protrusion) than Europeans proper. What distinguishes Europeans other technically Caucasoid populations (Hindus, Arabs, etc..) is depigmentation. Blondism, in the broad sense of the word, is really what separates a mere Europid from what people typically think of as a 'white person'.

I do tend to shy away from the word since it has been given, rightly or wrongly, a negative connotation.

A wise decision. The public overwhelmingly associates the term with Nazis and its concomitant evils.

[Vessper]

I just want to say that not all the White people are descendants of the Indo-Europeans. I researched about it and it isn't that way.

[Jett]

If they ever produce clones, I want a Kate Beckinsale.

[Saqqara]

Well, I'm not so much disagreeing with your definitions per se, just your ultimate example, isn't, and then she turns out to be part nonwhite too. It's not speaking very highly of her as an exemplary aryan, imo.

I don't think I said anything vulgar in my post. Since you accused me of trolling I will have to back up my claim with some good examples of an aryan face. I'll post some of differing pigmentations just for the sake of showing the facial features.

The aryan face should be long and narrow, but not too long, and overall perfectly proportionate. The nose is also long and narrow, and straight. The dinaric nose is a more extreme version of this, is sometimes too long, and is not straight. The lips would be thin, (compared to other races) but not too thin. Cheekbones are slightly prominent, theres a slight slope to the forehead, and the head itself should be dolicocephalic.

http://kunststad.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/gerhard_von_kc3bcgelgen_portrait_of_friedrich.jpg

http://www.meredith.edu/summer-reading/roosevelt/images/princess_martha_norway_HA1.jpg

http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/CLI/84112~Sacred-Heart-of-Jesus-Posters.jpg

http://pwnz.ru/joo/images/stories/burzum.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3376/2417319290143f10cf16.jpg

http://k41.pbase.com/g6/57/226457/2/79898826.dkM6KQSh.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BEps-Uf5uXk/SXG7olnHENI/AAAAAAAAHJU/fUsr_ezXow0/Unity+Mitford+a+supporter+of+fascism++Adolf+Hitler+called+tall.jpg

It's getting harder and harder these days to find good examples, so I included the more ideal ancient type for reference. I have seen people who actually look like the ancient type in reality, but I don't want to post them, and I am not too familiar with modern celebrities.

[EdwardSmith]

I would really want to know what you all mean with Aryan. As far as I know, originally the Hindustani and Gypsy languages, among others, are known as "Aryan". I also know that since Nazism it started to make reference to the Germanic people. Though, I don't think this girl is a good example of neither of both references, so would someone please tell me what you mean with "Aryan"?.

The aryans were the people that evolved on the grassy western steppes of Eurasia, stretching from modern-day
Ukraine (north of the Black Sea) northeastward to north of the Caspian Sea. The aryans were ruminant-herding
people, and in later years they were charioteers. The aryans were the original speakers of proto-indo-european,
the language from which all modern indo-european languages derive. From their home range in the steppes, the
aryans migrated west into Europe, and southeast into India. A major outward aryan migration occurred at about
1700 BCE. At about 1200 BCE, the aryans of the steppes were beaten and displaced westward by iranian invaders
(cimmerians) from the southeast. These displaced aryans mainly settled in Scandinavia. The steppes were later
overrun by successive waves of iranian and altaic peoples.

[Petyr Baelish]

The aryans were the people that evolved on the grassy western steppes of Eurasia, stretching from modern-day
Ukraine (north of the Black Sea) northeastward to north of the Caspian Sea. The aryans were ruminant-herding
people, and in later years they were charioteers. The aryans were the original speakers of proto-indo-european,
the language from which all modern indo-european languages derive. From their home range in the steppes, the
aryans migrated west into Europe, and southeast into India. A major outward aryan migration occurred at about
1700 BCE. At about 1200 BCE, the aryans of the steppes were beaten and displaced westward by iranian invaders
(cimmerians) from the southeast. These displaced aryans mainly settled in Scandinavia. The steppes were later
overrun by successive waves of iranian and altaic peoples.


I very much doubt that Kate Bekinsale has any but the most tenuous genetic connection to these people. The general contribution of the proto-Indo-Europeans to the genepool of Northwestern Europe, especially Britain, is extremely low. It is almost certain that Bekinsale has more Burmese than proto-Indo-European ancestry; the proto-Indo-Europeans left virtually no genetic imprint on those areas of Europe where her ancestors hail from and morphologically and skeletally she bears no resemblance to the Corded/Nordic-Iranian type of the original proto-Indo-Europeans whatsoever.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

I very much doubt that Kate Bekinsale has any but the most tenuous genetic connection to these people.

I have a cunning plan:

We gather a crack team of Phora kidnappers to kidnap her holy whiteness (with some Burmese admixture, but unnoticeable) Ms. Kate Beckinsale. We take her to a safe house (in a minimum 99.8% white town and where Pacific Islanders number no more than 0.001% of the population) where we hold her. We wait for Dr. Brandt to show up in his chauffered motor car (driven by his Manservant Friedrich Braun). Upon the good doctor's arrival he peforms a physical on Ms. Beckinsale and the team holds her down while the doctor takes a DNA sample from her perfectly-shaped aryan (to be determined of course) mouth.

The doctor can then send the sample by autogyro to the Max Planck Institute and the question of her genetic makeup will be resolved once and for all.

Once the results are known, Dr. Brandt can either issue a certificate of Aryan goodness or proclaim her non-aryan and euthanize her.

Once this is complete we can then work on wiping Poland off the map and destroying Donald Duck once and for all.

[Petyr Baelish]

I have just smoked some crack and feel and overwhelming urge to share my thoughts with the rest of the world...

Quit trolling, Niggolo. Unless you have something to contribute to the discussion that's directly related to the physical anthropology and morphology of the proto-Indo-Euopeans, please post your blather elsewhere.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

Quit trolling, Niggolo. Unless you have something to contribute to the discussion that's directly related to the physical anthropology and morphology of the proto-Indo-Euopeans, please post your blather elsewhere.

I'm watching a re-run of the colour wars by the phenotype fetishists from The Nerdish Portal.

Mockery is the greatest contribution possible for this thread.

[Petyr Baelish]

You're trolling, right?


To be fair, when you post someone who not only has very obvious Asiatic morphological traits, including an epicanthus and facial flattening but whose non-Burmese ancestors hail from a corner of Europe that was almost completely genetically unaffected by the proto-Indo-European migrations as an example of a quintessential Aryan you give the impression that you don't know shit from oatmeal as far as physical anthropology is concerned.

[Jett]

Kate even has a beautiful daughter. So rare, usually actresses breed with the ugliest males and their kids look atrocious.

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/82/68/17804_celebutopia-kate_beckinsale_takes_daughter_for_a_horse_ride_in_malibu-08_122_803lo.0.0.0x0.500x684.jpeg

[Winston]

Kate even has a beautiful daughter. So rare, usually actresses breed with the ugliest males and their kids look atrocious.

This is the father:

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/artman2/uploads/1/michael-sheen.jpg

I only just found this out, and I was quite surprised.

[EdwardSmith]

To be fair, when you post someone who not only has very obvious Asiatic morphological traits, including an epicanthus and facial flattening but whose non-Burmese ancestors hail from a corner of Europe that was almost completely genetically unaffected by the proto-Indo-European migrations as an example of a quintessential Aryan you give the impression that you don't know shit from oatmeal as far as physical anthropology is concerned.

Amusing that you have just described yourself, as crude self-righteous non-aryan people like you often do.
Apparently you are unaware of (or, more likely, have conveniently ignored) the aryan genes mixed into the celts,
the romans, the vikings, and the anglo-saxons, all of which have invaded Britain. Kate Beckinsale's clearly visible
aryan traits could have derived from any one (or ones) of these. Apparently you are unfamiliar with even
highschool-level world history.

As for Kate's supposed asiatic traits, one can only see her moderate epicanthic flesh up close, and this supposed
'facial flattening' is clearly not present.

It is clear that you, Petyr Baelish, are not an aryan, your character being on the opposite end of the spectrum to
what is aryan. I suggest that, whatever caucasian subrace you belong to, you embrace it for what it is, and not try
to hijack the term 'aryan' as describing your own race.

[EdwardSmith]

Regarding epicanthic folds: In the aryan face, the bottom of the frontal bone overhangs over the eyes, and is
in close proximity to the upper eyelid. This causes the flesh on the bottom surface of the frontal bone overhang
to fold over the upper eyelid, but it is not a true epicanthic fold. In Kate Beckinsale's case however, this flesh is
particularly prominent (due to her 1/8th burmese ancestry), being intermediate between the european and asian
form.

[Petyr Baelish]

Apparently you are unaware of (or, more likely, have conveniently ignored) the aryan genes mixed into the celts,
the romans, the vikings, and the anglo-saxons, all of which have invaded Britain. Kate Beckinsale's clearly visible
aryan traits could have derived from any one (or ones) of these. Apparently you are unfamiliar with even
highschool-level world history.

What I am familiar with is graduate-level population genetics and physical anthropology. The proto-Indo-Europeans lived in pre-historic times, so your claims about Celts Romans and Vikings, whose ancestral connection to the PIE pastoralists was already tertiary at best, introducing a large Indo-European genetic component into the British population is ridiculous. In most of the societies they subjugated, the invading Indo-European speaking pastoralists formed a very small aristocracy and ultimately contributed very little genetically, despite imposing their language upon their vanquished helots. The Indo-Europeans left a heavy genetic imprint precisely in those areas where their ethnogenesis took place and where they were not outnumbered or outbred by sedentary non-Indo-European speaking peoples. This is the third component of genetic variation in Europe, directly tied to the expansion of the Proto-IE pastoralists (taken from Cavali-Sforza's Genes, Peoples and Languages):

http://racialreality.110mb.com/genetic_variation_files/pc3.jpg

Notice that Britain has some of the lowest levels of this PC in all Europe.

As for Kate's supposed asiatic traits, one can only see her moderate epicanthic flesh up close, and this supposed
'facial flattening' is clearly not present.

http://hq.dpics.org/wallpapers/36/Kate_Beckinsale%2C_Photoshoot.jpg

Nope, none whatsoever. :tard: You're either blind, or being intentionally obtuse.


It is clear that you, Petyr Baelish, are not an aryan, your character being on the opposite end of the spectrum to
what is aryan.

I never claimed to be 'Aryan', imbecile. The Aryans died out several millenia before I was born.

I suggest that, whatever caucasian subrace you belong to, you embrace it for what it is, and not try
to hijack the term 'aryan' as describing your own race.

Ironically for you, my ancestors hail from precisely those populations that have the strongest claim to direct descent from the original Indo-Europeans. If you can post evidence that would tie Kate Bekinsale and yourself to what we know about the craniological and genetic character of the proto-Indo-Europeans, I would love to see it.

[Captain Blackbeard]

Pwnt!


message is tooooooooooo short

[EdwardSmith]

Someone like a Jacqueline Bisset might be a slightly better example of Aryan classification.

I see from the picture that this woman is an aryan-alpine hybrid- not quite pure aryan, but more aryan than most whites.
The thickness of the skull between it's outer edge and the outer end of the eyes is the most obvious alpine trait.


Since you accused me of trolling I will have to back up my claim with some good examples of an aryan face. I'll post some of differing pigmentations just for the sake of showing the facial features.

Of the pictures that you have posted, the first 4 are aryan enough. The woman in the second picture has a jaw form
that is somewhat non-aryan though, being too deep and rounded. The woman in the statue may be part-aryan, but
she has a clear indigenous mediterranean racial element in her. Do not equate 'greek' with 'aryan'. Keep in mind that
there were other peoples living in Greece before the aryans invaded; aryans constituted only part of the ancient greek
gene pool. The last picture, 'Unity Mitford' as the picture's filename states, is the least aryan of all of the people
depicted. Her facial bones are too robust and undefined.

[Petyr Baelish]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Corded_Ware_culture.png

I am to understand that your ancestors are direct descendants of the Corded Ware/Battle-Axe people who brought Indo-European speech into Europe. Which region of that culture do they hail from, Edward?

[EdwardSmith]

The Indo-Europeans left a heavy genetic imprint precisely in those areas where their ethnogenesis took place and where they were not outnumbered or outbred by sedentary non-Indo-European speaking peoples. This is the third component of genetic variation in Europe, directly tied to the expansion of the Proto-IE pastoralists (taken from Cavali-Sforza's Genes, Peoples and Languages):
Notice that Britain has some of the lowest levels of this PC in all Europe.

You really don't know much, do you? The expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a (what used to be called HG 3)
predates the known aryan migrations by thousands of years. I doubt that the aryan race was even fully
formed at the time of the R1a expansion. Besides, haplogroups are a poor indicator of race to begin with,
since a haplogroup can easily become dissociated from the racial traits of the people that originally
carried the haplogroup.


The Aryans died out several millenia before I was born.

Old races don't really 'die out', unless natural selection disfavors their traits. Old races become dispersed and
intermixed into other peoples, but their original trait combination can be reconstructed. Pure-blooded aryans
do not exist, but various aryan traits and trait combinations live on. As Carleton Coon pointed out, sometimes
the genes recombine in such a way that many of the ancestral genes are brought back together. There
is also the race-preserving effect of instinctive mate selection, which tends to preserve aryan genetic
cohesiveness.


I never claimed to be 'Aryan', imbecile.
Ironically for you, my ancestors hail from precisely those populations that have the strongest claim to direct descent from the original Indo-Europeans.

That sure looks like a claim of aryan ancestry to me. By the way, I find your immature name-calling amusing.
It's like debating with a child. Thankyou for telling me where it is that your ancestors derive from. I suspect
that the reason that you exhibit such hostility to me is that I described the history of the aryans, in which I
mentioned that the original aryan range was overrun by iranian and altaic peoples, and that the aryans were
displaced westward. Apparently this truth disturbs you. Even before you mentioned your ancestry, I noticed that
you have the crude dominance-seeking temperament that is typical of the descendants of such invaders. Now
I learn that you indeed do descend from such people.

Perhaps it is I that should be mad at you, since it was your people that drove my people out of their homeland
and caused them to intermix with other races. Evidently, your race continues it's hostilities toward the aryans
even to this day.

[EdwardSmith]

I am to understand that your ancestors are direct descendants of the Corded Ware/Battle-Axe people who brought Indo-European speech into Europe. Which region of that culture do they hail from, Edward?

I am largely descended from Swedes. That map is a poor indicator of modern racial distribution though.
There were various population movements that have occurred since that time. Various iranian and altaic
peoples have invaded from the east (cimmerians, scythians, sarmatians, mongols, tatars, various
miscellaneous turkic groups, the huns, the avars; the huns and avars even penetrated through Germany).
There were also movements by groups that were at least partially racially aryan, including the romans,
the celts, various germanic groups, and the goths.

Modern geographical racial studies have given a better indication of the modern aryan distribution.
The description of 'nordics' is similar to the traits of aryans, so getting a sense of the distribution of nordics
gives at least some sense of where aryan genes are currently most common. Carleton Coon's racial map of
Europe from The Races of Europe is informative.

[Empress Cheesatine]

Since when are fat lips, epicanthic folds, brown eyes and dark hair with a short upturned nose aryan traits? I'm also wondering where her chin is...

Are those epicanthic folds or just heavy eyelids?

[OVERWATCH]

'Aryan' sounds cool, but it's not a valid taxon WRT physical type

[Mike Jahn]

To me the only place where she's really Asiatic is in the mouth

http://z.about.com/d/worldfilm/1/0/W/V/serendipity.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/05/kate_beckinsale_gallery__600x400,0.jpg

[Mike Jahn]

http://thebosh.com/upload/2008/08/17/_kate_beckinsale_likes_an_acting_challenge/Kate-Beckinsale.jpg

[Mike Jahn]

http://www.kbeckinsale.net/gallery/albums/publicappearances/2007/2007comicconwhiteoutpanel/hq003.jpg

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/b/beckinsale/KateBeckin_Mazur_8273935_Ma.jpg

[Mike Jahn]

She looks more Aryan when she doesn't smile

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3600000/Kate-kate-beckinsale-3649127-1280-1024.jpg

[Jett]

I doubt she has any oriental ancestry. Burma was a colony of the British Empire, they could have easy called her British ancestor living in Burma -> "Burmese".

[Ahknaton]

Another way to tell Asiatic admixture is to see how high the eyebrows are.

[Petyr Baelish]

You really don't know much, do you? The expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a (what used to be called HG 3)
predates the known aryan migrations by thousands of years.

Nobody has yet mentioned R1A, but now that you have, I'd like you to post some evidence in support of your assertion. Since you think you know more about European population genetics than Luigi Luca Cavali-Sforza, your arrogance obviously knows no bounds; but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you do, indeed, know more about the subject than world-renowned experts on European population genetics. After all, someone who speaks with all the wild-eyed certainty of the bomb-throwing fanatic must know what he is talking about. So, please post whatever evidence it is that leads you to believe that Cavalli-Sforza's third principal component of European genetic variation has nothing to do with the proto-Indo-European expansion and claim direct descent from the proto-Indo-Europeans. Also, please explain to us which of the principal components of genetic variation in Europe, if any, should be associated with the proto-Indo-Europeans, and post the relevant excerpts from peer-reviewed archaeological, anthropological, and genetic literature that led you to this conclusion.

I doubt that the aryan race was even fully
formed at the time of the R1a expansion. Besides, haplogroups are a poor indicator of race to begin with,
since a haplogroup can easily become dissociated from the racial traits of the people that originally
carried the haplogroup.

Nobody mentioned haplgroups, cretin. Cavalli-Sforza's principal components of genetic variation are based on autosomal DNA analysis. But since you obviously know much more about European population genetics than Cavlli-Sforza, please tell me which of principal components of genetic variation in Europe should be associated with the expansion of the Indo-Europeans in lieu of PC3, and please post evidence in support of your claims on this subject.




Old races don't really 'die out', unless natural selection disfavors their traits. Old races become dispersed and
intermixed into other peoples, but their original trait combination can be reconstructed. Pure-blooded aryans
do not exist, but various aryan traits and trait combinations live on. As Carleton Coon pointed out, sometimes
the genes recombine in such a way that many of the ancestral genes are brought back together. There
is also the race-preserving effect of instinctive mate selection, which tends to preserve aryan genetic
cohesiveness.

Answer me one question Edward: which of your extant ancestors last identified himself as 'Aryan' (as opposed to say, Swedish or German)?

That sure looks like a claim of aryan ancestry to me.

I can only trace my ancestry three centuries into the past. Unlike you, I am not nearly so arrogant as to claim, (in your case, in blatant contradiction to everything that is known about the physical anthropology and genetics of the part of Europe your ancestors came from) to be directly descended from the proto-Indo-Europeans. However, I am in a far, far better position to be making such claims as you are given what competent authorities in the fields of physical anthropology and population genetics do know about proto-Indo-European origins, the Indo-European expansion, and their descendants. For people whose cognitive abilities are as woefully limited as your own, perhaps appeals to having (or lacking) some mystical 'Aryan temperament' and whatnot, are sufficient. For me, they are not. Please provide archaeological, craniological and genetic evidence that you are descended from the proto-Indo-Europeans. Since you appear to be completely certain of this, I am sure you do have scores and hundreds of peer-reviewed books and academic journal articles to support your claims that you are just waiting to drop on this thread like a nuclear bomb.

Thankyou for telling me where it is that your ancestors derive from. I suspect
that the reason that you exhibit such hostility to me is that I described the history of the aryans, in which I
mentioned that the original aryan range was overrun by iranian and altaic peoples, and that the aryans were
displaced westward.

The Iranian peoples who supposedly 'overran' the 'original Aryan range' maintained more or less unbroken genetic continuity with the proto-Indo-Europeans. But thanks for telling us that you consider yourself a worthier claimant to the title 'Aryan' than even the Vedic tribesmen who invaded India. Your arrogance is not simply astounding, it's typical of someone suffering from full-blown mania.


Perhaps it is I that should be mad at you, since it was your people that
drove my people out of their homeland
and caused them to intermix with other races. Evidently, your race continues it's hostilities toward the aryans
even to this day.

Please post some archeological, linguistic, genetic, and craniological data showing that you have anything but the most tenuous historical connection to the proto-Indo-Europeans.

[Petyr Baelish]

Are those epicanthic folds or just heavy eyelids?

Take a careful look at this picture (http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/katebeckinsale/kate_beckinsale_4.jpg). Notice the contrast between the left eye, where the inner corned and tear-duct are exposed, and the right eye, where the inner corner is covered by a small flap of skin. This is what's called an epicanthic eyefold, and it is certain evidence of Asiatic admixture.

[EdwardSmith]

Thankyou, Petyr Baelish, for proving what I have said of you for all to see. I would select particular quotes from your post to
demonstrate this, but then I would end up quoting most of what you have stated. It is clear to me now that you are not at
all open to reason.

You have demonstrated your extreme egotism (the typical character of russian turko-mongols) by displaying the egotistical
behavior of attributing arrogance to any person that defies an academic authority, including the authoritarian practice of
excluding non-authorities from making scientific advancements. I am in fact an extremely humble person. I do not consider
myself to be a higher academic authority than anyone. I simply believe that all academic authority is meaningless
and irrelevant. But I know that you already know that; you just blind yourself to it, because blinding oneself to the truth
is what egotism is all about. By the way Petyr, I recommend for your sake that you check your seemingly schizophrenic
rage, perceiving me as having various traits that you have imagined, else you might find yourself in a mental institution.

[Petyr Baelish]

Thankyou, Petyr Baelish, for proving what I have said of you for all to see. I would select particular quotes from your post to
demonstrate this, but then I would end up quoting most of what you have stated. It is clear to me now that you are not at
all open to reason.

Since you seem to define reason as "posting a picture of a mixed-race person none of whose ancestors, as far as we know, have nothing but the most tenuous historical connection to the original bearers of Indo-European speech, as an example of an unaltered descendant of the proto-Indo-Europeans, and maintaining this ad nauseam with absolutely no evidence", then no, I am not open to your reason.

You have demonstrated your extreme egotism (the typical character of russian turko-mongols)

LOL. I may be a Russian "Turko-mongol", but I can actually post evidence, from world-renowned authorities in the fields of physical anthropology and population genetics showing direct genetic continuity between the proto-Indo-European Fatjanovo culture, and the modern population of the area my ancestors hail from. Can you show direct genetic continuity between your historical ancestors and any culture associated with the original speakers of Indo-European speech?

that defies an academic authority,

You are't simply 'defying academic authority'. You are taking a mixed-race person with absolutely no demonstrable connection to the proto-Indo-Europeans, posting a picture of her, and essentially saying "She is an unaltered descendant of the proto-Indo-Europeans because I find her sexually attractive. And because I say so, it's the truth." What you are doing is really too bizzare for words. At least the overwhelming majority of crackpots who paint themselves as heroic quixotic crusaders against authoritarian scientific authorities make a show of supporting their claims with at least some evidence. You, on the other hand, simply claim that something is the way you say it is for no reason other than the fact that you said it.

including the authoritarian practice of
excluding non-authorities from making scientific advancements. I am in fact an extremely humble person. I do not consider
myself to be a higher academic authority than anyone. I simply believe that all academic authority is meaningless
and irrelevant.

What scientific advancements have you made? Have you written peer-reviewed articles in physical anthropology and population genetics journals that establish genetic continuity on a population level between some areal of the Corded Ware culture and the modern population of Britain? By all means, post these articles, I would love to see them!

But I know that you already know that; you just blind yourself to it, because blinding oneself to the truth
is what egotism is all about.

Edward, what craniological, genetic, or linguistic evidence leads you to conclude that there is significant genetic continuity between the proto-Indo-Europeans and the populations of Britain and Sweden? Do you realize how utterly ridiculous and bizzare simply posting a picture of a mxed-race person and claiming "She is teh Aryan cuz I says so!" is?

[EdwardSmith]

Notice to everyone- Petyr is lying about what I have said... if that's not very obvious already. Just look back through the
posts.

By the way, here is something that I have stated in a previous post (I am addressing third parties here, not Petyr):
"On the other hand, the traits that I have listed, which appear in the picture that I provided, are traits in common between
some indians (since a population of aryans had migrated south into India) and nordics, and which correlate to intelligence
and civilized character."

[Petyr Baelish]

Notice to everyone- Petyr is lying about what I have said... if that's not very obvious already. Just look back through the
posts.

Am I lying, or are you shamelessly backpedaling because you have absolutely no evidence with which to buttress your outlandish claims?

I found this image of Kate Beckinsale, and noticed how well her face at this angle and lighting clearly illustrate
the distinguishing facial features of the aryans who originated on the western steppes, as distinguished from
non-aryan europeans.

This could be rephrased as, "Kate Beckinsale exemplifies the Aryan anthropological type very well."

When I asked you to elucidate what you meant by 'Aryan' you replied with:

The aryans were the people that evolved on the grassy western steppes of Eurasia, stretching from modern-day
Ukraine (north of the Black Sea) northeastward to north of the Caspian Sea. The aryans were ruminant-herding
people, and in later years they were charioteers. The aryans were the original speakers of proto-indo-european,
the language from which all modern indo-european languages derive. From their home range in the steppes, the
aryans migrated west into Europe, and southeast into India. A major outward aryan migration occurred at about
1700 BCE. At about 1200 BCE, the aryans of the steppes were beaten and displaced westward by iranian invaders
(cimmerians) from the southeast. These displaced aryans mainly settled in Scandinavia. The steppes were later
overrun by successive waves of iranian and altaic peoples.

This could be rephrased as "The Aryans are the original speakers of proto-Indo-European and, in modern times, their direct genetic descendants."

Since you claim that you are an Aryan, surely you can demonstrate genetic continuity between your historical ancestors and some culture (Corded Ware, Battle-Axe, what have you) associated with the early westward spread of Indo-European speech? Or, at the very least, can you demonstrate genetic continuity between Kate Beckinsale's historic European ancestors, since you consider herself the epitome of the anthropological type of the proto-Indo-Europeans, and any proto-IE culture?

[EdwardSmith]

This is the racial map from The Races of Europe that I mentioned earlier:

http://www.cotse.net/users/t3nj/map-RoE.jpg

Note the distribution of the areas in which the near-aryan 'nordic' race is most predominant, which is
denoted by the small capital 'N's.

[Mike Jahn]

I'm going to assume that us Phorans resolved Beckinsalegate peacefully

http://www.tccandler.com/IMAGES/actresses/KateBeckinsale/kate%20beckinsale%20gorgeous%20in%20white.jpg

:applause

[VONBLUVENS]

I think a lot of you so-called racial experts are confusing Nordic with Aryan.

[VONBLUVENS]

By the way, I found her unibrow.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3622/unibrow.jpg

Since when are fat lips, epicanthic folds, brown eyes and dark hair with a short upturned nose aryan traits? I'm also wondering where her chin is...

If that passes for aryan, then why bother with racial purity? :rofl:

http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsA/30832-10189.gif

I am sure Otto Alberty(A real Aryan btw) would be glad to hear that you don't think he is Aryan enough because he has large lips. There are thousands of pictures of Germans wearing the uniform that doesn't exactly fit what you consider the "Aryan" ideal.

The splitting of hairs is one of the bigger stumbling blocks to the movement. I tend to agree with Tom Metzger on this issue: "If they look white and act white you should consider them white".

[Mike Jahn]

The splitting of hairs is one of the bigger stumbling blocks to the movement. I tend to agree with Tom Metzger on this issue: "If they look white and act white you should consider them white".

Von, I agree with you, that's one of the main reasons I was driven out of VNN, I simply mentioned one night that I am 1/128 Cherokee Indian and from that point forward I was called a non-White mud 1000 times.

[redknight]

Von, I agree with you, that's one of the main reasons I was driven out of VNN, I simply mentioned one night that I am 1/128 Cherokee Indian and from that point forward I was called a non-White mud 1000 times.
Good grief. I'm 1/8 Crow amerindian myself. Haven't the VNN ever heard of the Pocahontas clause? Sheesh! This is one of the reasons why I'm a nazbol, rather than a neo-nazi, by the way. Amerindians are a sub-group of the Mongolian race. So I consider myself to be like an eurasian. I also think that yellow and white blends well together.

[Petyr Baelish]

This is the racial map from The Races of Europe that I mentioned earlier:

http://www.cotse.net/users/t3nj/map-RoE.jpg

Note the distribution of the areas in which the near-aryan 'nordic' race is most predominant, which is
denoted by the small capital 'N's.

A few things need to be pointed out. First, and perhaps most important, is that 'Nordic' is not a race in the genetic term, and never has been. Nordic is a phenotype. Two populations that are predominantly Nordic phenotypically - that is, populations characterized by high levels of depigmentation, dolicopmesocephaly, large dimensions of the braincase, Europid morphological features, leptorhiny, leptoprosopy, and high stature - can be very distinct genetically. The Western Finns and the Northern Dutch are two very Nordic groups, but they are both much closer genetically to their neighbors than each other. A Nordic phenotype is what results when the depigmented, robust hyperdolichocranial Proto-Europid populations that ranged across Northern Eurasia underwent the epochal process of gracialization. The result of this is that modern populations in Northern Eurasia can be very similar metrically and morphologically - that is, Nordic groups can be found across Northern Europe - but this does not imply an especially close genetic kinship or a recent common descent. This bears repeating - ethnicity and geographical origin in Europe are far, far better indicators of genetic kinship than physical type. There is, however, one salient skeletal trait that allows us to discern with almost complete certainty whether a Nordic group is of Western European origin - that is, descended from proto-Europid populations that inhabited the Iberia refuge during the last glacial maxim - or Eastern European origin - that is, populations descended from the proto-Europids that lived in the Ukraine refuge during the last glacial maxim. This is skull height - it has remained almost completely unchanged throughout Europe for the past fifty thousand years. Eastern European Proto-Europid were always high skulled, and Western European proto-Europids were always low-skulled. The fact that Scandinavian Nordics (and other Western Europeans in general) inherited their low-skulls from their proto-Europid ancestors allows modern physical anthropologists to deduce that there was never a large population movement from Eastern Europe into Scandinavia or any other Western European region. In every single burial that can be reasonably associated with the Corded Ware/Battle-Axe complex we find a preponderance of crania that belong to the high-skulled Nordic-Iranian/Corded Nordic type.. In fact, every single type that we can in any way associate with the proto-Indo-Europeans is invariably high-skulled - meaning, ultimately, that these people were, without question, descended from the proto-Europid/Cro-Magnid population that lived in the Ukraine refuge during the last glacial maxim and recolonized Eastern Europe after it ended. The Corded Ware/Battle-Axe people also expanded westward into Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, and Southern Norway, but they never migrated to Sweden, Britain, Ireland, Italy, France, or the rest of Western Europe for that matter, in numbers large enough to leave a genetic imprint on the modern populations of those countries. All of the modern populations that physical anthropologists can, with a reasonable level of certainty, tie to the Corded-Ware/Battle Axe people are high skulled. This picture is, of course, corroborated by all the latest research in physical anthropology. the original speakers of Proto-Indo-European (that is, the people you call 'Aryans') and their direct cultural and genetic descendants (that is, the carriers of the Corded-Ware/Battle-Axe cultural complex) contributed extremely little in terms of genetic material to the populations of Western Europe, with the notable exception of Southern Norway, where the population belongs to the high-skulled Nordic-Iranian/Corded-Nordic/East-Nordic physical type, and differs in origin from the indigenous Skando-Nordic racial type that is common amongst Germanic populations. Get your head out of your ass and learn a little about modern physical anthropology. You'd be surprised how much we've learned since Coon - for instance, that Cro-Magnon proto-Europids did not not hybridized with Neanderthals, and that Nordics are not the magically depigmented descendants of Neolithic interlopers from the Middle East. And, by the way, if you're going to claim that Aryan is synonymous with Nordic, at least post people who more or less approximate the Nordic physical type, not Anglo-Burmese mestizoes.

[Crusader]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000295/bio says this-

Richard Beckinsale's maternal grandfather - her great-grandfather - was Burmese.

Her mother is pure White and her father's father's father was White. It goes without saying that she looks White.

She is very much White by my standards!

[Crusader]

Von, I agree with you, that's one of the main reasons I was driven out of VNN, I simply mentioned one night that I am 1/128 Cherokee Indian and from that point forward I was called a non-White mud 1000 times.

Unless that Cherokee ancestor is on the direct maternal line, that 1/128 fraction of non-White blood is completely meaningless!

In fact, even if that was on the direct maternal line, it is still virtually meaningless since you, as a male, would not pass on that alien mt DNA to your children.

All in all, the folks at VNN made a big deal over nothing.

[leondegrance]

My favorite pic of Beckinsale.

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Kate-Beckinsale-kate-beckinsale-68487_1024_768.jpg

[Mike]

Below this text you'll find the highest-ranking image that I found when I searched Google for images for "Burma". If Kate Beckinsale is one-eighth Burmese, then it's hardly possible for her to be an "exemplification of aryan facial features". She's not completely Aryan.

Most likely, the original poster is very subtly sexually attracted to the pedomorphic features that some Asian women exhibit when added in small amounts to typical White female physical anthropology. In fact, that's a good way to describe Kate's face. But to repeat, her face is not completely White, and therefore not exemplary.

Now, for some non-bullshit points on the so-called Aryans: 1. Modern scholarship refers to them as Indo-Europeans, not Aryans. Talking about "Aryans" is akin to walking around in a brown shirt, or yapping in a rural accent about "kikes" and "niggers" 2. The physiological details of early Indo-European ethnology are lost to history. No one has self-identified as being part of the original IE group for well over 4000 years, and the original IEs kept no known records of their society. It seems highly certain that the IEs were of a European physical type, but no one knows the details. No one knows if they were Nordic, Alpine or Mediterranean. No one knows if any of them looked like Kate Beckinsale.

In summary, this thread is 100% horse shit.


http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3709891-Long_neck_Karen_in_Shan_state_of_Burma-Burma.jpg

A possible relative of Kate Beckinsale

[Jett]

Most likely, the original poster is very subtly sexually attracted to the pedomorphic features that some Asian women exhibit when added in small amounts to typical White female physical anthropology.


How do oriental females exhibit paedomorphic traits? Surely not facial traits, yet that is what I am getting from your statement.

The Northern European race is the race with the highest amount of facial paedomorphic traits of any race on earth.

The oriental race may have paedomorphic bodies or physical stature, but they for sure do not have facial features like that, so your statement doesn't make any sense to me, along with this proclamation about adding "small amounts", how the hell does one add "small amounts"?