Milosevic Dead [Archive]

Banat

03-11-2006, 11:52 AM

I just heard it too, and was trying to find some more "official" news, but nothing. Our national TV has reported that he was "unofficially" found dead.

B92 said:
"As we found out from the sources close to the Hague Tribunal, Milosevic's death has been confirmed when his lifeless body was found in his cell. The Prison officials in Sheveningen has determined that he has been dead for several hours before his body was found. His family was informed and standard procedures are taken.

"All international and domestic TV stations have broadcast the news of Slobodan Milosevic's death."
link (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=03&dd=11&nav_id=191255)

It must have been a suicide pact, then.

He had a weak heart and he suffered from it heavily during last two years. His recent requests to get a medical treatment by Russian specialists have been rejected.

Sulla the Dictator

03-11-2006, 11:54 AM

I'm sure the media won't forget to mention that.

I wonder if they suicided or heartattacked him. The last is more likely, because a few weeks earlier they refused Milosevic medical treatment by doctors outside the Hague Concentration Camp.

Prisoners are often allowed their own private doctors. :rolleyes:

Jesus Christ you're a broken record.

WFHermans

03-11-2006, 11:57 AM

(CNN) -- Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has been found dead in his prison cell in The Hague, Netherlands, according to the United Nations war crimes tribunal. He was 64.

An official in the chief prosecutor's office said Milosevic was found at about 10 a.m. and that he apparently had been dead for several hours. An autopsy will be performed, the official said.

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters Milosevic had died of natural causes (how does he know that?), but this has yet to be confirmed.

"Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit," the U.N. tribunal said in a statement, according to Reuters.

"The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead."

The tribunal said the Dutch police and coroners were called in and started an inquiry (like the "inquiry" that was held after Pim Fortuyn was murdered). A full autopsy has been ordered. Milosevic's family has been informed, it added.

Refusing someone medical treatment is the same as murdering him. It is a warcrime.

Ace Rimmer

03-11-2006, 11:58 AM

His recent requests to get a medical treatment by Russian specialists have been rejected.

Release to Moscow has been rejected, not medical treatment by Russian specialists.

6(sic)6

03-11-2006, 12:08 PM

Yepp I checked it... He is dead...:222:
Good news.

Banat

03-11-2006, 12:19 PM

Refusing someone medical treatment is the same as murdering him. It is a warcrime.

He wasn't rejected medical treatment, he was rejected to leave to Moscow Clinic where he would be able to recieve it.

Release to Moscow has been rejected, not medical treatment by Russian specialists.

True. The surgery should've been performed there.

Slavic Enforcer

03-11-2006, 12:20 PM

Yepp I checked it... He is dead...:222:
Good news.

He was still better than the UCK leaders.

Bajlozi

03-11-2006, 12:32 PM

1 step at the time 6 to 8 millions to go:)

Count Eustace II

03-11-2006, 12:56 PM

Milosevic is dead, grounded up and spit out by ZOG while criminals like Bush, Blair, Clinton, and Israelis command more mass murder than 100 Milosevics.

Oh well, life goes on.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 01:57 PM

He had a lot to answer to the Serbian people,
fuck the west and
fuck the local catlick and mudslim tribes he allegedly decimated. :p

Jimbo Gomez

03-11-2006, 01:59 PM

He had a lot to answer to the Serbian people,
fuck the west and
fuck the local catlick and mudslim tribes he allegedly decimated. :p

Screw that backwards peasantvillage called belgrade NATO allegedly bombed. ;)

Fade the Butcher

03-11-2006, 02:02 PM

Bill Clinton should be on trial for war crimes. George W. Bush too.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 02:02 PM

Screw that backwards peasantvillage called belgrade NATO allegedly bombed. ;)

Hehe... I'm so sorry we're not a "metropolis" like the Islamic African cities of Amsterdanistan and Paristan.:222:

Jimbo Gomez

03-11-2006, 02:05 PM

Oh, don't worry, give it a few more years and the moslem albanians will have taken care of belgrade too for you, like they did with kosovo. :)

Fade the Butcher

03-11-2006, 02:09 PM

The Eternal Albanian.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 02:14 PM

Oh, don't worry, give it a few more years and the moslem albanians will have taken care of belgrade too for you, like they did with kosovo. :)

I'm glad you rejoice at every European teritory given to Muslims.
Sadly, for you, Belgrade doesn't have a detectable immigration of Muslims.

Again, you display how much of a hypocrite you are. What with your username.

You're too easy a target Charlie boy. :222:
I don't understand why you participate in discussions, when you get pwned all the time.

albion

03-11-2006, 02:16 PM

http://www.comcast.net/data/br/2006/03/11/br-35560.jpg
Then Yugoslavia's President Slobodan Milosevic is shown in this 1997 photo, in Belgrade. Milosevic, the former Yugoslav and Serbian president who orchestrated the Balkan wars of the 1990s and was on trial for war crimes, was found dead in his prison cell at the U.N. detention center near The Hague, the U.N. tribunal said Saturday March 11, 2006.

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/03/11/343297.html&cvqh=itn_milosevic

His wife, Mirjana Markovic, who was often accused of being the power behind the scenes during her husband's autocratic rule, has been in self-imposed exile in Russia since 2003. His son, Marko, also lives in Russia, and his daughter, Marija, lives in Serb-controlled half of Bosnia.

Borislav Milosevic, who lives in Moscow, blamed the U.N tribunal for causing his brother's death by refusing him medical treatment in Russia.

"All responsibility for this lies on the shoulders of the international tribunal. He asked for treatment several months ago, they knew this," he told The Associated Press. "They drove him to this as they didn't want to let him out alive."

Banat

03-11-2006, 02:18 PM

You're teasing each other, of course. But I find it all very sad, nevertheless.

Naturally, I care what happens to my country and my people more, but I am not at all happy with what is happening with Western Europe, either. Especially having in mind that all of those who saw it all in advance were systematically kept silenced, and are now in the position to see it happening without any power to stop it. Sad.

Jimbo Gomez

03-11-2006, 03:06 PM

Oh well, not all that long ago kosovo had no albanians either. Be patient little friend, it's coming. On the other hand, now that your GDP is actually lower than that of albania, why would they?

And: I find their presence in the western world a tragedy, but as you already know, I don't consider serbia western. ;)

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 03:16 PM

Oh well, not all that long ago kosovo had no albanians either.

Kosovo had Albanians 100 years ago, on the other hand
your cities weren't Islamic just 30 years ago.

Neither Kosovo nor western capitals would've belonged to Muslims
if western politicians were working for the best interest of Western European people.

You seem to be overjoyed about Europe being handed over to Muslims,
so I ask you again:

1. Why are you an admin here? You'd be much happier on some Moroccan/Albanian forum.

2. Why are you abusing the name of Charles Martel?

Be patient little friend, it's coming. On the other hand, now that your GDP is actually lower than that of albania, why would they?

A little chronology, simplified, just for you:

Our GDP was within normal levels for Europe just 15 years ago.

Then came the Muslim and Albanian mutinies.

The west imposed economic sanctions against Serbia and
went to war against Serbs.

West gives Serbian teritories to Muslims.

Phora Admin Charles Martel supports all that.

And: I find their presence in the western world a tragedy, but as you already know, I don't consider serbia western. ;)

Not that anyone cares what you think :wink:

Ambrosio Spinola

03-11-2006, 03:19 PM

Muslims are a pest in Spain, Belgium, Montenegro, Serbia, you name it. I for one do not enjoy their presence anywhere as much as I might have my petty nationalist feudings with any given european nation.

Jimbo Gomez

03-11-2006, 03:22 PM

Your GDP went to hell in a handbasket the moment you enthusiastically started that idiotic civil war against the Croatians and Bosnians. You left out that minor detail in your chronology... :)

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 03:32 PM

Your GDP went to hell in a handbasket the moment you enthusiastically started that idiotic civil war against the Croatians and Bosnians. You left out that minor detail in your chronology... :)

Really? I forgot how little you know about anything.
First of all, the GDP dropped because of the wars, but not nearly as much
as it dropped during the years of embargo.

Now, a little lesson for the ignorants:

1. There is no such thing as a "Bosnian" ethnicity.

2. The ex republic of Bosnia consisted of about 50% of Serbs,
since medieval times when the kingdom of Bosnia was founded by Serbian nobility.

3. The republic of Croatia also had a large Serbian minority, which was there
since the 17th century when Austrians invited them to settle to defend their borders.

4. The Serbs in Bosnia wanted their own state, just like Croats and Muslims did.

5. The Serbs in Croatia were defending themselves, in their own homes.

Jimbo Gomez

03-11-2006, 03:33 PM

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 04:42 PM

Of course they didn't. Negroes tend to be attracted to the richer countries. There's a reason you'll find more of them in what used to be the BRD than in what used to be the DDR for the very same reason you know. And yes, I am aware that you can only really compare since the reunification.

Serbia had a higher GDP than the Democratic republic of Germany.

Had there been no economic sanctions and no embargo,
Serbia would've been a much more succesful country, which would attract immigrants just like western Europe does today.

The only difference is that Serbia would NOT accept immigrants.

This model of a succesful European nationally-aware state simply couldn't be allowed to exist. The brainwashed western Europeans would start to get 'dangerous' ideas. They would question their governments' mass acceptance of immigrants from the Muslim world.

That's one of the reasons why the west assisted the wars in ex-YU to last as long as possible, that's why the west attacked Serbs with economic and armed might.

Enjoy your "victory" over Serbia, Westerners.
Your rulers won, your people lost.

Ace Rimmer

03-11-2006, 04:46 PM

Sadly, for you, Belgrade doesn't have a detectable immigration of Muslims.

Maybe not immigration, but some 100 000 Muslim residents.

Our GDP was within normal levels for Europe just 15 years ago.

Untrue, Serbia was the poorest republic of former Yugoslavia before sanctions and war,
Serbia developed on account of rich Croatia and Slovenia,
once they seceded, the backwardness became obvious.

1. There is no such thing as a "Bosnian" ethnicity.

Yes, there is, there existed "Bošnjani" krstjani in medieval times
and have separate ethno-genesis from both Serbs and Croats
and exist as such today.

2. The ex republic of Bosnia consisted of about 50% of Serbs,
since medieval times when the kingdom of Bosnia was founded by Serbian nobility.

Bosnian kings were not Serbian nobility, to answer you next question,
no they were not Croatian either.

3. The republic of Croatia also had a large Serbian minority, which was there
since the 17th century when Austrians invited them to settle to defend their borders.

Serb identity of Orthodox settlers is of more recent date.

4. The Serbs in Bosnia wanted their own state, just like Croats and Muslims did.

With the difference that Serbs were greedy expansionist who were not happy
with just Serb ethnic area but instead tried to have entire Bosnia on persecution and mass murder of all non-Serbs.

5. The Serbs in Croatia were defending themselves, in their own homes.

This is just slanderous lie of which you are aware your self. :mad:
Serbs in Croatia just like those in Bosnia after cleansed all Serb dominated area from non-Serbs
undertook series of actions, backed up with Federal Army and volunteers from Serbia , to take Croatian cities, in which they failed so they proceeded
to systemically terrorize them with artillery, air and naval shelling which lasted for 4 years.
Don't you remember megalomaniac statesman from Serb leaders such is Šešelj and Martić that soon they'll spend their holidays in Serbian Dalmatia,
Serbian Šibenik, Serbian Zadar and Serbian Dubrovnik. :mad:

WFHermans

03-11-2006, 04:46 PM

The jewish general Clark, who commanded the judeo-NATO forces, said Serbia was targeted because Serbs were nationalists.

WFHermans

03-11-2006, 04:49 PM

It is sad that there weren't more Serbian leaders like Nedic.

Bajlozi

03-11-2006, 05:06 PM

The Eternal Albanian.
http://www.lajmet.com/28Nentori/images/shqiperia-e-madhe.gif

Shqipria Etnike!

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 05:11 PM

You lie a lot. Let's count your lies:

Lie #1Maybe not immigration, but some 100 000 Muslim residents.

The official records say there are 20.000 muslims in Belgrade.
The only noticeable are the Gypsies, the rest are regular, integrated citizens.

Completely unlike the wild hordes of Muslims in W.Europe.

Lie #2
Untrue, Serbia was the poorest republic of former Yugoslavia before sanctions and war,
Serbia developed on account of rich Croatia and Slovenia,
once they seceded, the backwardness became obvious.

Lies. The secession of Croatia and Slovenia was followed by a decade of economic sanctions, but even then, Serbia is not far behind Croatia.

In fact, the economies of Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece etc. lost
billions of dollars because of the embargo against Serbia and Montenegro.

Lie #3
Yes, there is, there existed "Bošnjani" krstjani in medieval times
and have separate ethno-genesis from both Serbs and Croats
and exist as such today.

That's a half-truth you're trying to serve to ignorant westerners.

The Serb ethnos is similar to the Deutsch ethnost.
Serbs are one people, spread around several kingdoms.
Like the Deutsch people of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, even the Netherlands ( Duutsch ), and historically the numerous kingdoms which separated the ONE Deutsch people.

Lie #4
Bosnian kings were not Serbian nobility, to answer you next question,
no they were not Croatian either.

That's a lot of crap coming out of just one man.

Your lies can be debunked by simple reading of any officially recognized history of the area.

Lie #5
Serb identity of Orthodox settlers is of more recent date.

Again, a lie. The Serbs were settled in KRAJINA ( meaning borderlands )
to defend the effeminate Croat peasants from Turks.

Lie #6
With the difference that Serbs were greedy expansionist who were not happy
with just Serb ethnic area but instead tried to have entire Bosnia on persecution and mass murder of all non-Serbs.

The war was relatively limited to areas where there was no clear majority of either of the three ethnicities.

The only other activity was of the Muslim vs. Muslim war in western Bosnia.

Lie #7
This is just slanderous lie of which you are aware your self. :mad:
Serbs in Croatia just like those in Bosnia after cleansed all Serb dominated area from non-Serbs
undertook series of actions, backed up with Federal Army and volunteers from Serbia , to take Croatian cities, in which they failed so they proceeded
to systemically terrorize them with artillery, air and naval shelling which lasted for 4 years.
Don't you remember megalomaniac statesman from Serb leaders such is Šešelj and Martić that soon they'll spend their holidays in Serbian Dalmatia,
Serbian Šibenik, Serbian Zadar and Serbian Dubrovnik. :mad:

It's called war for a reason, you know.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 05:15 PM

It is sad that there weren't more Serbian leaders like Nedic.

Oh, there were quality Serbian leaders. They were marginallized by Milosevic.

To remind you. The Serbian people rebelled against Milosevic both in 1991.
and 1996-97.

Both times, the west assisted Milosevic. Both by ignoring the plight of the Serbian people AND by subsidizing the Milosevic regime by selectively lifting the sanctions only to allow Milosevic to sell the Serbian Telecom for around a billion dollars to Italians and Greeks.

This sale gave Milosevic's regime enough money to last for several years more.

WFHermans

03-11-2006, 05:33 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6087546329550991104

A judeo-albanian propagandamovie of a meeting between Albanian and jewish congressmen where they have a gloatfest over the extermination of white children. Original caption:

AACL Dinner - Albanian and Jewish Congressman - Albanians saving the Jews from Hitler during the NAZI Holocaust. The only country in Europe that saved and accepted the jewish refugees from the NAZIS.
President of AACL: Joe Dioguardi

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 05:44 PM

Interesting email I got. Can you tell me how true it is?

Today started the great jewish holiday of Purim. Today is the first day of this holiday, Shabbos Zachor, where jews celebrate the death of their enemys. It is jewish feast of REVENGE and RITUAL MURDER! During Purim 1946 the Leaders of the Third Reich were murdered in Nürnberg. During Purim the first Gulf-War against Saddam was launched. Today on Purim 2006, Slobodan Milosevic died!

Basil Fawlty

03-11-2006, 06:13 PM

I'm sure the media won't forget to mention that.

I wonder if they suicided or heartattacked him. The last is more likely, because a few weeks earlier they refused Milosevic medical treatment by doctors outside the Hague Concentration Camp.Whatever it was he was surely bumped off as was his associate who was "suicided" last week.

Watzy

03-11-2006, 06:34 PM

Today started the great jewish holiday of Purim. Today is the first day of this holiday, Shabbos Zachor, where jews celebrate the death of their enemys. It is jewish feast of REVENGE and RITUAL MURDER! During Purim 1946 the Leaders of the Third Reich were murdered in Nürnberg. During Purim the first Gulf-War against Saddam was launched. Today on Purim 2006, Slobodan Milosevic died!

Stop the press it's a conspiracy! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/schlafen/sleeping-smiley-009.gif
Jews celebrate some holiday every second day...

Watzy

03-11-2006, 06:49 PM

He got off pretty easy.

Because the trial lasted for five years, almost as long as the war he caused. ICTY bureaucracy permitted him to play the role of the martyr and mock the justice for five bloody years.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 07:46 PM

Stop the press it's a conspiracy! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/schlafen/sleeping-smiley-009.gif
Jews celebrate some holiday every second day...

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that this forum also has special persons.

Zvaci, my friend. I asked the forum members to explain to me
what's true and what's false about the mentioned text.

I want to reply to the person who sent the email.

I hope this is simple enough for you.

cerberus

03-11-2006, 08:11 PM

Whatever it was he was surely bumped off as was his associate who was "suicided" last week.

Yes - Rudolf Hess all over again , evil Jew let British and Americans.
I would place more money on a cardiac arrest, he died in his sleep which is a lot more peaceful than his victims did.

Move over Adolf , another pair of hands to help you at the coal face.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 08:26 PM

Yes - Rudolf Hess all over again , evil Jew let British and Americans.
I would place more money on a cardiac arrest, he died in his sleep which is a lot more peaceful than his victims did.

Move over Adolf , another pair of hands to help you at the coal face.

I hear Milosevic was absolved of all his sins.

Watzy

03-11-2006, 08:39 PM

These deaths are beneficial only to Serbia. When the Serb leaders are no longer needed, they end up quickly disposed. Babic, Milosevic, Drljaca...all those who could link Serbia with Croatian and Bosnian war. Only Seselj remained, and he was nobody, a minor warmonger.

Zrinski

03-11-2006, 08:48 PM

The secession of Croatia and Slovenia was followed by a decade of economic sanctions, but even then, Serbia is not far behind Croatia.

:rofl:
Not really....even Albania has far greater industrial development than Serbia and higher BDP. You can't even begin to compare Serbia with Croatia. It would be like comparing Croatia with Switzerland or Norway. :p

The Serb ethnos is similar to the Deutsch ethnost.
Serbs are one people, spread around several kingdoms.
Like the Deutsch people of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, even the Netherlands ( Duutsch ), and historically the numerous kingdoms which separated the ONE Deutsch people.

Not really. There was only one Serbian state and only one Serbian kingdom. The fact you tried to stole other people's heritage and present it as yours is something totally different. ;)

Again, a lie. The Serbs were settled in KRAJINA ( meaning borderlands )
to defend the effeminate Croat peasants from Turks.

1. It was Vojna Krajina(Military Frontier)
2. It was not settled by Serb but by Vlachs who in turn were allowed to settle among Croats.

If not for the Serbian Orthodox Church which was far more favoured within Ottoman Empire than Catholic Church these Vlachs would today be Croats...instead they are "Serbs".

It's called war for a reason, you know.

I think you wanted to write 'genocide' instead of 'war' ;)

P.S. May the bastard rot in hell....if hell exists.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 09:01 PM

:rofl:
Not really....even Albania has far greater industrial development than Serbia and higher BDP.

Yeah. Albania had ZERO industry, now it has one factory.
The development is 100%... even greater than Japan :222:

1. It was Vojna Krajina(Military Frontier)
2. It was not settled by Serb but by Vlachs who in turn were allowed to settle among Croats.

The Serbs were called 'Illyrians' by Austria, 'Racz' by Hungarians, 'Vlachs' by Ottoman Turks.

If not for the Serbian Orthodox Church which was far more favoured within Ottoman Empire than Catholic Church these Vlachs would today be Croats...instead they are "Serbs".

It's simply because of Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic, a Serb who was kidnapped as a youngster and who became the most powerful figure in the Ottoman empire.
He never forgot his Serbian roots, so he helped Serbs in every way he could.

You should learn to respect the biographies of great men, even though your people have none.

I think you wanted to write 'genocide' instead of 'war' ;)

Genocide?

How many Croats died in the war? A few thousand.
How many of them were men? more than 95%

P.S. May the bastard rot in hell....if hell exists.

He's currently the lead singer of Tito's band.
I hear they just kicked Tudjman ( the piano player ) out :D

Watzy

03-11-2006, 09:44 PM

The Serbs were called 'Illyrians' by Austria, 'Racz' by Hungarians, 'Vlachs' by Ottoman Turks.

BS. "The Vlachs' was the official name of the 'Serbs' in Croatia. They were called Vlachs by Austria, Croatia, Turks and them selves.

Statuta Valachorum

Regensburg October 5th 1630

Manuscript book, bound: red velvet with red silk ribbons, a hanging large, partly preserved red wax seal of Ferdinand II. On the seal field surrounding the coat of arms of the Hapsburg dynasty there are also coats of arms of the Kingdom of Croatia and the Kingdom of Dalmatia. The illuminated leaf shows the scene of twelve men swearing allegiance to King Ferdinand II.

The Statutes were awarded by Ferdinand II Hapsburg as the King of Hungary to the Vlach community, going against the decisions of the Croatian Parliament. The Statutes regulated the internal administration of the Vlach community that had settled in the region of Slavonia, namely in the Varazdin Military District in the 16th and 17th centruries. The term 'Vlach' refers to Orthodox and Catholic soldiers that moved from Turkey, with the accompanying population, as well as the native population, which means to the entire military population of the Varazdin Military District.

http://jagor.srce.hr/hpm/m020000v.jpg

http://jagor.srce.hr/hpm/p0200003.htm

Ambrosio Spinola

03-11-2006, 10:11 PM

Oh, thats the Awar I remembered, right in the fray between balkanoids. I´m couting down for the first chainsaw and eye socket humping mentions :D

WFHermans

03-11-2006, 10:25 PM

Dershowitz, the jewish lawyer who thinks the american government should torture and murder more, was in the Netherlands these days. He called for the murder of people like Milosevic and said it ought to be done secretly.
The dutch prime minster Balkenende is an insane zionist-christian who earlier ordered a cover-up of the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. He is a tool of Bush and is behind the recent murder on Milosevic as well.

Banat

03-11-2006, 10:30 PM

BS. "The Vlachs' was the official name of the 'Serbs' in Croatia. They were called Vlachs by Austria, Croatia, Turks and them selves.

*slaps himself on the head*

Cut already that nonsense almost every thread gets over and over again. NO ONE called themselves Vlachs, not even Vlachs themselves: they call themselves R'manyi or Romanyi in their language, for God's sake.

Those same 'vlachs' from 1630 were recognised as Illyrian nation by the same Habsburg Empire after 1690, and have at least from mid 17th century called themselves Serbs and used Serbian language, for which there are written proofs, AFAIK not negated even by official Croatian history.

Croats were also called 'vlachs' by Turks, and not only Croats, but Russians and Germans and ALL freaking Christians there are on the Planet. Have you ever heard the expression 'Vlach Emperors' and 'Vlach Empires', meaning Austria and Russia?

And once and for all learn who was Veles, Volos, Weles, or Voloh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veles_%28god%29) Slavic god of cattle, and patron of shepherds, so you might get the idea who were the vlachs on Balkans.

Watzy

03-11-2006, 10:38 PM

*slaps himself on the head*

Cut already that nonsense almost every thread gets over and over again. NO ONE called themselves Vlachs, not even Vlachs themselves: they call themselves R'manyi or Romanyi in their language, for God's sake.

Those same 'vlachs' from 1630 were recognised as Illyrian nation by the same Habsburg Empire after 1690, and have at least from mid 17th century called themselves Serbs and used Serbian language, for which there are written proofs, AFAIK not negated even by official Croatian history.

Croats were also called 'vlachs' by Turks, and not only Croats, but Russians and Germans and ALL freaking Christians there are on the Planet. Have you ever heard the expression 'Vlach Emperors' and 'Vlach Empires', meaning Austria and Russia?

And once and for all learn who was Veles, Volos, Weles, or Voloh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veles_%28god%29) Slavic god of cattle, and patron of shepherds, so you might get the idea who were the vlachs on Balkans.

Serb source:

"The Serbs living between the rivers Sava and Drava had a kind of self-government, due to the Serbian Statute (Statuta Valachorum, 1630)"

http://www.rastko.org.yu/isk/rljusic-turks_and_revival.html

Ambrosio Spinola

03-11-2006, 10:40 PM

So, the Dutch goverment has murderd Milosevic?

Banat

03-11-2006, 11:01 PM

So, the Dutch goverment has murderd Milosevic?

It's obvious he was denied the appropriate medical treatment, since his condition got worse, and he died. Also, he was found only after several hours, alhough all the cells are supervised, and the light is never turned off, for which Milosevic often complained to the Court that he had troubles with his sleep because of that.

The other similar case is Seselj who has been imprisoned there for three years now waiting for the trial to start, despite his voluntary apply. He, on the other hand, is placed in a moisty cell which reportedly worsens his asthma.

He called for the murder of people like Milosevic and said it ought to be done secretly.

At the moment, Milosevic's chief attorney raises the recent issue when Milosevic complained that he suspected he was being poisoned, and that's the reason Milosevic's wife is demanding for Russian experts to perform the autopsy, which the Hague at the moment doesn't allow.

Pablo Escobar

03-11-2006, 11:04 PM

Oh, thats the Awar I remembered, right in the fray between balkanoids. I´m couting down for the first chainsaw and eye socket humping mentions :D

I've never made any similar threats to anyone.
You know that, so cut the bullshit.

Zrinski

03-11-2006, 11:48 PM

Yeah. Albania had ZERO industry, now it has one factory.
The development is 100%... even greater than Japan :222:

It doesn't matter how many factories it has...what is important is that currently the Albanian BDP is higher than Serbian and that Albanian is developing twice the rate Serbia is.

The Serbs were called 'Illyrians' by Austria, 'Racz' by Hungarians, 'Vlachs' by Ottoman Turks.

Serbs were called Serbs by Austrians....never Illyrians. Illyrian name was used for Croats....by Croats...and sometimes by some outers sources like the Vatican for example. Sometimes...and only sometimes Illyrian name was used when refering to all South Slavs.

It's simply because of Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic, a Serb who was kidnapped as a youngster and who became the most powerful figure in the Ottoman empire.
He never forgot his Serbian roots, so he helped Serbs in every way he could.

You should learn to respect the biographies of great men, even though your people have none.

Hardly that it was because of Sokolovic alone. There were many Croats who shared similar fate as well yet we didnt see that Croats and especially their religion was favoured. As I said Ottoman Empire favoured Orthodox Church...especially Serbian because it could manipulate with it...thats the whole truth.

Genocide?

Yes genocide.

He's currently the lead singer of Tito's band.
I hear they just kicked Tudjman ( the piano player ) out :D

I doubt that....they are just too good for him.

Zrinski

03-11-2006, 11:59 PM

Cut already that nonsense almost every thread gets over and over again. NO ONE called themselves Vlachs, not even Vlachs themselves: they call themselves R'manyi or Romanyi in their language, for God's sake.

But the people who called themselves Romanyi or R'manyi were called by others Vlachs. Serbs clearly saw themselves different from them as did others as well.

Those same 'vlachs' from 1630 were recognised as Illyrian nation by the same Habsburg Empire after 1690, and have at least from mid 17th century called themselves Serbs and used Serbian language, for which there are written proofs, AFAIK not negated even by official Croatian history.

You are manipulating here with facts. The "Illyrian nation" was refered to South Slavs. As for Vlachs calling themselves Serbs from mid 17th century nothing can be further from the truth. There was even law that forbade Serbs mixing with Vlachs. Until late 19th century there wasn't even mention of Serbs in Croatia and western Bosnia...in fact if we look at American immigration census' we can find that many Orthodox people, most of whom were of Vlach origin, desiganted themselves as Croats. This is especially typical of Tesla family of whom of all who immigrated to USA said they are Croats. Tesla surname is of Vlach origin as well.

Croats were also called 'vlachs' by Turks, and not only Croats, but Russians and Germans and ALL freaking Christians there are on the Planet. Have you ever heard the expression 'Vlach Emperors' and 'Vlach Empires', meaning Austria and Russia?

Thats because Croats assimilated great number of Vlachs and all others would be assimilated as well if not for the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Furthemore Croat were most of all South Slavs identified with Illyrians...especially even since for some time Croatian prominent figures used this name themselves.

Banat

03-12-2006, 12:19 AM

So, the Dutch goverment has murderd Milosevic?

Which reminds me, on the last trial session he reported his bad health condition and was asking for permission to get a proper medical treatment in the mentioned Russian clinic during the winter break, so that the timing of the proces wouldn't change, but judge Robinson interrupted him, saying that he wasn't interested in those details. This was broadcast on TV, as all the other sessions of his trial.

WFHermans

03-12-2006, 01:01 AM

Another strange thing, he died just drie days after the election. If he died before the election, the nationalist parties would have shouted that the government murdered him.

Now we heard of the murder only after the elections, so we nationalists lost. :(

Sulla the Dictator

03-12-2006, 01:06 AM

So, the Dutch goverment has murderd Milosevic?

Of course. Fellows like Slobo are immortals who can only be killed by Zionists and liberals. :p

The same conspiracy behind Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and Steven Spielberg killed Slobo. :p

Sulla the Dictator

03-12-2006, 01:07 AM

It's obvious he was denied the appropriate medical treatment, since his condition got worse, and he died.

I'm curious what country you live in that allows prisoners to travel to countries of their choice to recieve medical treatment.

cerberus

03-12-2006, 02:07 AM

It's obvious he was denied the appropriate medical treatment, since his condition got worse, and he died.
Key word here is "obvious" , its only obvious if you have some knowledge of his underlying medical condition and you can apply that knowledge.
Can you do demonstrate both ?
All conspiracy theories are "obvious".

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 02:10 AM

I'm curious what country you live in that allows prisoners to travel to countries of their choice to recieve medical treatment.

He wasn't convicted. Other prisoners from the Hague were allowed to defend themselves from home.

As you can see in the videos of Milosevic's final appearances in the court,
he said that the facilities there are inadequate, the medicines given to him are not appropriate ( too weak ) and several days before he died, he complained that he was being poisoned.

So many coincidences.

But, I guess everyone is going to believe whatever makes them happy.

Kodos

03-12-2006, 02:12 AM

Poisoning isn't implausible here( ie its not a kook theory he was a troublesome and embarassing prisoner who has probably expaserated enough of the powers that be by dragging out the trial)... can't be sure though.

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 02:13 AM

Key word here is "obvious" , its only obvious if you have some knowledge of his underlying medical condition and you can apply that knowledge.
Can you do demonstrate both ?
All conspiracy theories are "obvious".

The key word was appropriate medical care.

The man complained he wasn't getting appropriate medical care,
a few days later, the man is dead.

How very complicated.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 03:05 AM

Other prisoners from the Hague were allowed to defend themselves from home.

Milosevic was brought to trial by force, not by his own free will. Who would be so stupid to give him a possibility to flee into Russia? :p

Zrinski

03-12-2006, 03:16 AM

Milosevic is not really dead...he is kept at a secret moonbase along with JFK and Elvis. :rofl:

Gleb

03-12-2006, 05:55 AM

I don't think it was suicide; prisoners of his caliber are monitored 24/7, I don't think he could even take a piss without officials knowing about it.

Sulla the Dictator

03-12-2006, 06:01 AM

He wasn't convicted. Other prisoners from the Hague were allowed to defend themselves from home.

There was a great deal of effort made to bring Slobo to trial. He didn't surrender himself.

As you can see in the videos of Milosevic's final appearances in the court,
he said that the facilities there are inadequate, the medicines given to him are not appropriate ( too weak ) and several days before he died, he complained that he was being poisoned.

You yourself don't think the guy is playing with a full deck, it would seem. What does he know about treatment? What kind of care was avialable in Moscow that isn't available in Western Europe?

So many coincidences.

Slobo wasn't killed. He would have been far more useful in jail than he is dead of a heart attack.

Dr. No

03-12-2006, 08:29 AM

Move over Adolf , another pair of hands to help you at the coal face.

Nonsense. The stories of mass graves were atrocity propaganda to fool the public into supporting the aggression.

Banat

03-12-2006, 09:00 AM

There was a great deal of effort made to bring Slobo to trial. He didn't surrender himself.

True, he was extradited, because he was already imprisoned here when the official claims for his extradition intensified.

Slobo wasn't killed. He would have been far more useful in jail than he is dead of a heart attack.

Whatever. They had a chance both to keep him alive, and to finish the trial sooner in order to convict him, but they failed at both. If they could have convinced him for anything, they would have.

I'm curious what country you live in that allows prisoners to travel to countries of their choice to recieve medical treatment.

You know what country I live in, and I would be posting the same if he died here where I post from. That was not the point.

Key word here is "obvious" , its only obvious if you have some knowledge of his underlying medical condition and you can apply that knowledge.
Can you do demonstrate both ?
All conspiracy theories are "obvious".

Perhaps you misunderstood my position in this matter: I'm neither trying to prove that he was killed, nor to lament upon his death. It is obvious that he was neglected, not from the stance of medical science, but having in mind that he complained about his condition, feared the worst and "the worst" happened.

Or we are going to involve other "conspiracy theories" that he was planning never to return from Russia, although they gave guarantees, or that it was him who neglected his health just in order to blame the Hague?

Jofreidr_1488

03-12-2006, 01:21 PM

ZOG killed Milosevic because they didn't want both him and Hussein ably defending themselves at the Trials the jews have set up.

While I am not a big fan of Milosevic it should be noted that he showed Whites that Ethnic Cleansing is what we are going to have to do after the Government and Economy Collapses and we need to clear out the masses of niggers and taco niggers. (If you can get a copy of Thomas W. Chittums book 'Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America')

cerberus

03-12-2006, 01:55 PM

obvious
Obvious is again the key word , as yet this is not obvious.
If you are saying wilful medical neglect you have to have some reason .

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 02:07 PM

Obvious is again the key word , as yet this is not obvious.
If you are saying wilful medical neglect you have to have some reason .

Sergei Lavrov showed a letter from Milosevic, dated just a day before his death,
where Milosevic explained that he suspects he's being poisoned.

He was found dead just hours later.

How about that kids? However, that's all just coincidence. Right?
:rolleyes:

OVERWATCH

03-12-2006, 02:58 PM

Sergei Lavrov showed a letter from Milosevic, dated just a day before his death,
where Milosevic explained that he suspects he's being poisoned.

He was found dead just hours later.

How about that kids? However, that's all just coincidence. Right?
:rolleyes:

I doubt it was a co-incidence.

I certainly don't rule out the possibility that there's a lot more behind certain historical events than the official explanation.

However, lacking any hard evidence, it's just conjecture.

Do you think it's possible that he might have thought he was being poisoned, because he was anxious/paranoid, and mistook the symptoms of heart disease and impending heart attack/stroke as being something else? I think it's likely.

Ace Rimmer

03-12-2006, 03:05 PM

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Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 03:08 PM

I doubt it was a co-incidence.

I certainly don't rule out the possibility that there's a lot more behind certain historical events than the official explanation.

However, lacking any hard evidence, it's just conjecture.

Do you think it's possible that he might have thought he was being poisoned, because he was anxious/paranoid, and mistook the symptoms of heart disease and impending heart attack/stroke as being something else? I think it's likely.

I think he was an intelligent man. One doesn't pull all the stunts like he pulled without having a lot of resources up there.

He was probably well aware of all the intricacies of his health problems.
I think he was more of a man who'd learn everything about any problem he might have, than just put his trust in the doctors.

He also mentioned a few months ago that the medicaments he gets for his heart are too weak. He mentioned that the label on the pills seems adequate, but that the blood tests showed that the trace ammounts of that substance were several times LOWER than they should be. The judge then turned his mic off. It was on TV.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 03:12 PM

I don't think it was suicide; prisoners of his caliber are monitored 24/7, I don't think he could even take a piss without officials knowing about it.

I wouldn't be to sure about that.

Milosevic’s father (an Orthodox priest) committed a suicide. His mother committed a suicide as well, and so did his uncle.

Zrinski

03-12-2006, 03:25 PM

Milosevic’s father (an Orthodox priest) committed a suicide. His mother committed a suicide as well, and so did his uncle.

It runs in the family :rofl:

Watzy

03-12-2006, 03:34 PM

Sergei Lavrov showed a letter from Milosevic, dated just a day before his death,
where Milosevic explained that he suspects he's being poisoned.

He was found dead just hours later.

How about that kids? However, that's all just coincidence. Right?
:rolleyes:

Tovarish Lavrov is obviously having hard times to realize he was paranoid.

You don't have to be a psychiatrist to realize this. Just like Saddam he sacrificed lives of his own people to protect his own skin, but when deserted he turned into a chickenshit yellow.
His own daughter protected his shivering ass with a pistol when his 'bunker' was besieged by the Serb police. You really can't get more gutless than that. :o

WFHermans

03-12-2006, 03:40 PM

Milosevic fought like a hero during his "trial".

The dutch government knew he was innocent, so they had him murdered.

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 03:51 PM

It's amazing how much of a hypocrite you are.

Tovarish Lavrov is obviously having hard times to realize he was paranoid.

So, let's say your friend Gromovnik writes to you, from a Serbian prison,
saying: "Zvaci, my friend, I think they're poisoning me".

Next thing you get is a call to attend Gromovnik's funeral.

Would you say that Gromovnik is a paranoid chickenshit,
maybe to his parents, during the funeral? Would you even think that?

His own daughter protected his shivering ass with a pistol when his 'bunker' was besieged by the Serb police. You really can't get more gutless than that. :o

Gutless?

A woman, defending her father from armed special forces?

In those moments, she PROVED to have more cojones
than you and your entire nation will ever have.

Milosevic certainly didn't want his daughter to get killed,
that's why they eventually talked her into putting the gun down.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 03:55 PM

Milosevic fought like a hero during his "trial".

He was only buying time, trying to postpone a rather predictable sentence. Now it's obvious he succeeded due to bureaucratic inefficiency and pro-serb moles within ICTY - like Graham Blewitt or Florence Hartmann Domakušić namely.

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 03:59 PM

He was only buying time, trying to postpone a rather predictable sentence.

Not so predictable. Thus far they hadn't made any strong case against him,
and they knew it.

I'm not negating he was dirty, but he was also too smart to leave
any clear trail to himself.

Now it's obvious he succeeded due to pro-serb moles within ICTY

Zvaci, you seem to have forgot to put on your tin-foil hat with the Ustasa logo. :222:

You remind me of Martin Lindstedt and Glenn Miller more and more, each day :p

Zrinski

03-12-2006, 04:10 PM

Milosevic fought like a hero during his "trial".

The dutch government knew he was innocent, so they had him murdered.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Watzy

03-12-2006, 04:21 PM

Zvaci, you seem to have forgot to put on your tin-foil hat with the Ustasa logo. :222:

By sounding like Blewitt you are just helping me to prove my point. :)

"Vukovar is a construction of the Croatian Nazi propaganda"

"Serbs are not capable of committing war-crimes"

--Graham Blewitt, ex-vice president of ICTY

Blewitt appointed 50 of his associates into the structures of the court.

Slavic Enforcer

03-12-2006, 04:26 PM

I don't believe that they killed him.

Look, when you feel that something is not OK with you (probably that the end is near), your psyche and personality changes.
Milosevic didn't die as a healthy man, neither his body nor his psyche was healthy.

You must imagine how many secrets that man had in himself and how he had to fight not only against the tribunal but also against himself every day (to keep them secret).
How can you stay "normal" under such circumstances?

Pablo Escobar

03-12-2006, 04:45 PM

Look, when you feel that something is not OK with you (probably that the end is near), your psyche and personality changes.

Yeah, it's called 'being physically ill'.

Milosevic didn't die as a healthy man, neither his body nor his psyche was healthy.

True. People who are poisoned and/or denied proper medical care
tend to be unhealthy, especially before they die.

You must imagine how many secrets that man had in himself and how he had to fight not only against the tribunal but also against himself every day (to keep them secret).
How can you stay "normal" under such circumstances?

Yeah, I suspect that the autopsy will conclude that
he suffered from 'chronic suspension of disbelief' and died of 'acute burden of secrets'.

Very esotheric.

cerberus

03-12-2006, 04:53 PM

How about that kids? However, that's all just coincidence. Right?

Yes. Its nothing more without some kind of medical evidence - we could have no problem in giving birth to a myth.
It does seem that he was a heavy smoker - that does cause quite a bit of gastic discomfort - he ate quite a bit of cheese - not only recently I dare say - a life time love ?
Not so hot for those four arteries which keep the hert muscle working .
A combination - reasonable to assume that he had some blood pressure problems - my money would still go on an arrest.
There are any number of things which might have indicated that he "thought" , a word like "obvious" - which is key here.

Slavic Enforcer

03-12-2006, 04:56 PM

And who told him that they want to poison him?

A good fairy?

Zeus

03-12-2006, 05:19 PM

HAIL MILOSEVIC !!! murdered by ZOG's jewish scum because they had no evidence against him ! May he rest in peace and Live On Forever ! RIP kindred !

vojvoda

03-12-2006, 06:01 PM

Eventually Islam will spread like a plague across Europe. History will in the long term judge him kindly.

Daniel Shays

03-12-2006, 07:00 PM

Yes. Its nothing more without some kind of medical evidence

Report: Drug Traces Found in Milosevic
Traces of Foreign Substance Confirmed in Milosevic's Blood, News Report Says (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1715964&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312)

Banat

03-12-2006, 07:06 PM

And who told him that they want to poison him?

A good fairy?

Not poisoned with a poison, he only used that word to describe that he found out that he was being given a medicine for an illness he didn't even suffer from (leprosy, I think). At least he said so in the mentioned letter to Lavrov.

Tovarish Lavrov is obviously having hard times to realize he was paranoid.

You don't have to be a psychiatrist to realize this. Just like Saddam he sacrificed lives of his own people to protect his own skin, but when deserted he turned into a chickenshit yellow.
His own daughter protected his shivering ass with a pistol when his 'bunker' was besieged by the Serb police. You really can't get more gutless than that. :o

It runs in the family :rofl:

Oh, how impolite of me to forget to congratulate Milosevic's dead to you two. You must be having some great time over this, as can be seen in your posts. Congratulations, and enjoy every moment of this, such events don't happen often enough.

Who knows, perhaps Mladic and Karadzic will soon be arrested so you could have some extra rejoice. :)

cerberus

03-12-2006, 07:17 PM

citing an unidentified "adviser
Must have a look through the BNF to see what drugs might have been found.
These unidentified sources are great - could be anyone - anyone who wants to start a rumour.

Kodos

03-12-2006, 07:22 PM

I doubt it was a co-incidence.

I certainly don't rule out the possibility that there's a lot more behind certain historical events than the official explanation.

However, lacking any hard evidence, it's just conjecture.

Its one of those conspiracy theories that is very plausible( ie JP I was poisoned as was Napolean... I think they might have proved it in Napolean's case) but not proven.

WFHermans

03-12-2006, 07:54 PM

Medicine has advanced quite a bit since the death of Napoleon I.

cerberus

03-12-2006, 08:04 PM

It cannot cure everything and in the case of a cardiac arrest you very little time to work in - more than 3 minutes is too long.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 08:10 PM

Congratulations, and enjoy every moment of this, such events don't happen often enough.

Actually there is no satisfaction in this event apart from his bare physical death behind bars which would have happened to the old fart sooner or later anyways.

The lack of conviction is what I find disturbing. Evidences, testimonies and confessions against him were more than sufficient for passing a verdict. The only thing that lacked was a political will to formally condemn him because it would have seriously harmed the interests of the Serb state and the reputation of the Serb nation. Nobody would have bean happier than me if he remained alive until the reading of the sentence.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 08:34 PM

HAIL MILOSEVIC !!! murdered by ZOG's jewish scum because they had no evidence against him ! May he rest in peace and Live On Forever ! RIP kindred !

88/14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-039.gif

Since ZOG was perfectly OK with condemning the entire WW2 Nazi clique within circa 5 MONTHS what do you think prevented ZOG to condemn this Balkan jester in 5 YEARS long process?

Ace Rimmer

03-12-2006, 10:46 PM

Here is another theory for kook crew to lost their mind over it.

The deaths of Serbs (Babić and Milošević) detained in Hague tribunal coincide with arrival of Croatian general Gotovina to Hague prison.
Maybe this well trained and experienced French foreign legion and Croatian war veteran still serves his country and continues to perform his patriotic duty even inside prison walls.

WFHermans

03-12-2006, 11:09 PM

I didn't know Gotovina was Israeli.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 11:25 PM

I didn't know Gotovina was Israeli.

If he was, Slobo would have shared Eichmann's fate. :D :222:

WFHermans

03-12-2006, 11:31 PM

He did share Eichmann's fate, he was kidnapped and murdered.

I am disappointed at the Croatian reactions here.

Watzy

03-12-2006, 11:49 PM

He did share Eichmann's fate, he was kidnapped and murdered.

And the 'proof' is some paranoid letter he wrote to his Russian supporter. :rolleyes: Even this Ninja-style version of the story about Gotovina kicking their asses is more convincing than this rubbish.

I am disappointed at the Croatian reactions here.

You're disappointed by arguments presented in my previous posts. lol Have a nice day! :rofl:

cerberus

03-13-2006, 12:00 AM

Until hrad facts about his death are relaesed its al speculation.
if what we have posted is looked on as a straw poll , it would seem that many think some foul play was afoot.
Understandable but is it accurate ?
Something to hide , protecting themselves - killing off any akward questions.
if so why bring him to trial to begin with , why leave yourself open to being investigated ?
Given his age , he was a smoker , would have taken only limited exercise , possible dietry issues he is to be honest a risk for some sort of vascular disaster- and I would have aguess that it was this which killed him.
To have someone watching him day and night " eyes on the whole time" - he was not a suicide risk so no need.
Any one of us (God forbid) could go the same way - its beacuse of who he was and where he was and what he was facing that makes some look for a reason why he was killed.
He was not killed ( acording to what is known so far) he died.
it has been alledged that he was medically neglected and that a Judge refused to listen to him is quoted as evidence to support this.
The Judge didn't listen because he was used to Mr. Milosevic doing this sort of thing - he was sick of it.
he died pecefully in a warm bed - he was not shot in the back of the head into a mass grave by a total stranger.
I reckon he got away easily compared to some whom he sent directly or indirectly to thier graves.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 12:03 AM

Oh, how impolite of me to forget to congratulate Milosevic's dead to you two. You must be having some great time over this, as can be seen in your posts. Congratulations, and enjoy every moment of this, such events don't happen often enough.

Great time? I couldn't care less.... :rofl:

Who knows, perhaps Mladic and Karadzic will soon be arrested so you could have some extra rejoice. :)

Perhaps they can follow their colleague Babo and kill themselves. :p

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 10:14 AM

Until hrad facts about his death are relaesed its al speculation.If he was bumped off - and I believe it most likely that he was - do you really expect that those "hard facts" are going to come out?

WFHermans

03-13-2006, 10:18 AM

His blood was examined and it's proven he was poisoned.

Ahknaton

03-13-2006, 10:22 AM

His blood was examined and it's proven he was poisoned.
Related news story: Foreign substance in Milosevic's blood (http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1649152,00050003.htm)

Sulla the Dictator

03-13-2006, 11:55 AM

If he was bumped off - and I believe it most likely that he was - do you really expect that those "hard facts" are going to come out?

You can stack bodies until they darken the sky and Basil will kick and scream his denial.

An old man with a bad heart died in his prison cell and Basil's on the phone to Oliver Stone to expose the murder mystery.

Ace Rimmer

03-13-2006, 12:45 PM

I didn't know Gotovina was Israeli.

The Israelis prefer Serbs, what's your point anyway?

I am disappointed at the Croatian reactions here.

What is this reaction you are disappointed with and how should Croatian reaction be?

6(sic)6

03-13-2006, 12:58 PM

What is this reaction you are disappointed with and how should Croatian reaction be?
LOL....
He thinks that croats should be sad beacuse of Slobos death.:rofl:

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 02:27 PM

You can stack bodies until they darken the sky. . . Except that no one has. A couple of photos of excavators means nothing.
An old man with a bad heart died in his prison cell . . .And that, no doubt, is the official story which you choose to believe.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 02:31 PM

His blood was examined and it's proven he was poisoned.

Yes he was poisoned by the medicie for tuberculosis :rofl:
The man died of a hearth attack....good for him. :p

WFHermans

03-13-2006, 02:32 PM

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 02:37 PM

Except that no one has. A couple of photos of excavators means nothing.
And that, no doubt, is the official story which you choose to believe.

It's funny how these 'excavation' affairs have been handled by the media
even in Serbia.

It was all over the news that thousands of bodies were found,
then they sorta forgot it, and never showed any photos whatsoever.

There are even several heartbreaking stories circullating around.
Of Albanians who met their untimely end at the hands of Milosevic's goons.
The stories are very detailed, dramatic, humanitarian and multicultural ( I kid you not, the Albanian insurgents were 'documented' to have helped Gypsy families out of the goodness of their heart, right before they were brutally killed by Serbs. ), yet there's not much more.

It's as if someone invented the characters and the stories,
but we all know better. The international powers that be wouldn't cheat
people.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 02:39 PM

The reaction of Croatians I hope for is that of Hitler when he heard Chamberlain died. Respect for the enemy and sadness they were enemies at all. Gloating over a dead enemy who was already beaten is not honorable.

You cannot respect someone who didn't respect you. Milosevic definately doesn't deserves my or any Croat's respect....only loathing and indifference.

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 02:40 PM

It's funny how these 'excavation' affairs have been handled by the media
even in Serbia.Holocostology has provided the templates for all atrocity propaganda.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 02:40 PM

The reaction of Croatians I hope for is that of Hitler when he heard Chamberlain died. Respect for the enemy and sadness they were enemies at all. Gloating over a dead enemy who was already beaten is not honorable.

I am not laughing about his death, but you must know that while the Croats led a war against a rebellion of some Serbian inhabitants that was initiated by Slobo (there were also Croatian Serbs who didn't want war but were searching for an other way to fight for their rights - Jovan Raskovic f. e., Slobo's people portrayed them as traitors), he played the "good meaning Yugoslav" who never did anything bad and who doesn't want to have anything to do with what happens in Croatia.

Once again, I can't say that I'm glad that he's dead, but you can't expect from people who lived in Croatia during the war, that they will have "respect" for him.

And by the way, it doesn't matter what Hitler said, because he was a monster.

Ace Rimmer

03-13-2006, 02:41 PM

The reaction of Croatians I hope for is that of Hitler when he heard Chamberlain died. Respect for the enemy and sadness they were enemies at all.

You have seen to much Hollywood movies, there is nothing respectable about Milosevic.
Man that is responsible for deaths, rapes and destruction does not deserve respect.

Gloating over a dead enemy who was already beaten is not honorable.

Neither is execution of wounded and civilians, rape and terror.

One I agree, the trial and tribunal is pure hypocrisy, if asked me, I would never ask for extradition or trial,
the turd is, like all enemies of the state, to be shot on spot if captured.

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 02:48 PM

You have seen to much Hollywood movies, there is nothing respectable about Milosevic.
Man that is responsible for deaths, rapes and destruction does not deserve respect.

Funny for you to say that, being a neo-nazi worshiper of Croat butchers and rapists.

Neither is execution of wounded and civilians, rape and terror.

Funny how the tribunal in the Hague had little evidence of Milosevic doing that.

I wouldn't mind if Milosevic rot in a Serbian prison, for all his crimes against
the Serbian people, but Croats, Albanians and other whiners are just using him for your own vulture bullshit.

One I agree, the trial and tribunal is pure hypocrisy, if asked me, I would never ask for extradition or trial,
the turd is, like all enemies of the state, to be shot on spot if captured.

Funny how you whined about it when Croat Communists, headed by Tito
did the same with the Croatian elite, right after WW2,
yet, now you want to shoot people on the spot, without a trial.

How very 'western' and 'christian' of you to do.

Fucking barbarians. :rolleyes:

Ace Rimmer

03-13-2006, 03:01 PM

I didn’t expect anything less from you AWAR.

Resort to personal naming, discredit one by associating him with Nazism, try to divert from topic
and lower the debate level with insults and vulgarity.

I have to congratulate you to consistency of it during years,
but it is still miserable and not the least impressive.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 03:05 PM

Well thats Awar...when he doesn't have anything else to say then he flames and resorts to personal insults. Indeed typical of him.

Anway it seems after all that the bastard killed himself. He took the medicine for tuberculosis and lepra to counter the effects of heart medicines he was taking. :p

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 03:11 PM

Well thats Awar...when he doesn't have anything else to say then he flames and resorts to personal insults. Indeed typical of him.

Personal insults?

I don't know about you, but Gromovnik and Zvaci have been
publicly worshipping WW2 figures of Nazi Germany & it's sattelites.

Anway it seems after all that the bastard killed himself. He took the medicine for tuberculosis and lepra to counter the effects of heart medicines he was taking. :p

As Milosevic himself reported to the court,
the medicines GIVEN to him are inadequate. The judge interrupted Milosevic's comment and turned his mic off.

Ace Rimmer

03-13-2006, 03:13 PM

I don't know about you, but Gromovnik and Zvaci have been
publicly worshipping WW2 figures of Nazi Germany & it's sattelites.

Point us to one my post where I have done so.

WFHermans

03-13-2006, 03:21 PM

Milosevic was a decent man, compared to people like George W. Bush.

Watzy

03-13-2006, 03:23 PM

Anway it seems after all that the bastard killed himself. He took the medicine for tuberculosis and lepra to counter the effects of heart medicines he was taking. :p

And he did it in order to worsen his condition so he can flee into Russia. Haha - and he failed! :p

Milosevic took wrong drugs

"I don't think he took his medicines for suicide -- only for his trip to Moscow ... that is where his friends and family are. I think that was his last possibility to escape The Hague," toxicologist Uges said. "I am so sure there is no murder."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-03-13T151527Z_01_L13751108_RTRUKOC_0_UK-WARCRIMES-MILOSEVIC.xml

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 03:28 PM

Milosevic was a decent man, compared to people like George W. Bush.

Milosevic was a nemesis of the Serbian people.
The Croats, Albos & co. are just using his role and rule
to help their own goals.

In fact, they THINK their goal is a weak Serbia,
which is ridiculous in this day and age. It only shows how juvenile
the people of the countries surrounding Serbia are.

One can see how much of a trouble for all the neighbouring countries
was the weak Albania, or the Causescu run Romania.

A strong Albania, a strong Serbia, a strong Croatia can profit
from trade and having a strong common diplomatic and economic position
in Europe and the world. Unfortunately, the people here still have a medieval obsession with teritories.

What does a few hills and valleys represent in the modern world?
NOTHING.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 03:30 PM

A strong Albania, a strong Serbia, a strong Croatia can profit
from trade and having a strong common diplomatic and economic position
in Europe and the world. Unfortunately, the people here still have a medieval obsession with teritories.

What does a few hills and valleys represent in the modern world?
NOTHING.

I quite agree.

(But Albania will never be strong, forget it.)

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 03:39 PM

I quite agree.

(But Albania will never be strong, forget it.)

It could be. Though Albania and Albanians have always been fooled into
assisting some foreign power. From Ottoman times up to NATO times,
Albanians have always acted as 'santa's little helpers'
and Albanians have always lost in the end.

Sure, there may be a lot of Albanians, and their teritory is larger
than ever before. But, the masses of people, without being put in the right context are just cannon fodder, and the teritories they occupy are equally as worthless as the poverty which occupies them.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 04:22 PM

P
As Milosevic himself reported to the court,
the medicines GIVEN to him are inadequate. The judge interrupted Milosevic's comment and turned his mic off.

The medicine they gave to him was quite adequate....he took inadequate medication which countered heart medications...wheter he did to fool the doctors in Hague or to kill himself we will never know.

Milosevic was a nemesis of the Serbian people.
The Croats, Albos & co. are just using his role and rule
to help their own goals.

Oh shut the fuck up. Milosevic and his cronies torn down half of Croatia....you must be an idiot to write what you just wrote. Yes we are using Milosevic for our own goals....what are those goals we don't know, right? Jesus what a moron.... :rolleyes:

Draco

03-13-2006, 04:36 PM

Though not given to conspiracy theories, the timing of this (Purim) and the jewish penchant for feeding prisoners poisoned food (arsenic laden bread for ze Germans, oy vey a mitzvah!) leads me to believe he was murdered. He was a thorn in the jewy side of the EU for awhile, and this shut him up.

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 04:40 PM

The medicine they gave to him was quite adequate....he took inadequate medication which countered heart medications...wheter he did to fool the doctors in Hague or to kill himself we will never know.

Nonsense.

Milosevic himself said that he was GIVEN those antibiotics ( which null the effect of heart medications ).

He also said: "I don't know why they ( the hague doctors ) are giving
these medicine to me, I don't have lepre".

There are several TV recordings of him saying that.

Oh shut the fuck up. Milosevic and his cronies torn down half of Croatia....you must be an idiot to write what you just wrote. Yes we are using Milosevic for our own goals....what are those goals we don't know, right? Jesus what a moron.... :rolleyes:

Ah, yes, your whining about tearing down Croatia.

At any time during the war in Croatia, the Serbian forces could have bombarded ZAGREB. Why didn't they?
Why was the war almost EXCLUSIVELY waged in the areas populated by the Serbs.

ANSWER: The Serbs of Croatia were ATTACKED by the Croatian police and military. Your proud Catholic forces raped 80-year old women, as reported by Canadian soldiers, for god's sake.

Or, is that some part of a Canadian conspiracy against Croats?

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 04:43 PM

Or, is that some part of a Canadian conspiracy against Croats?

And what did the West (including Canada) did say about Serbs during the war? :rolleyes:

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 04:47 PM

And what did the West (including Canada) did say about Serbs during the war? :rolleyes:

These Canadian soldiers were decorated almost TEN YEARS AFTER the war.
It's obvious that they weren't allowed to speak of what they saw WHILE
the entire west was on a media campaign against the Serbs.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 04:50 PM

Some soldiers from both sides did commit crimes. It was like in every war.

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 04:54 PM

Some soldiers from both sides did commit crimes. It was like in every war.

Yeap. Tell that to Zrinski, Zvaci, Gromovnik and other professional whiners.

Watzy

03-13-2006, 04:57 PM

I don't know about you, but Gromovnik and Zvaci have been
publicly worshipping WW2 figures of Nazi Germany & it's sattelites.

Respecting some Nazis is not equal to being a National Socialist.

The only real Nazi I respect is Siegfried Kasche because he agreed with Pavelic on resolving the Serbian question. Unlike other Germans he did not whined over the treatment of Serbs under Pavelic. Otherwise I'm indifferent or opposed to Nazis.

http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=md1513qy.jpg

infoterror

03-13-2006, 04:58 PM

They said he was found dead in his cell.

LIKE RUDOLF HESS?

Just kidding. I have no idea. But I liked Milosevic. More Slavs like him and we might bump them up from serf status.

infoterror

03-13-2006, 04:59 PM

The only real Nazi I respect is Siegfried Kasche because he agreed with Pavelic on resolving the Serbian question.

Most "Nazis" did not understand national socialism. The few who did - pan-Nationalism, natural selection, anti-capitalism - were usually geniuses of aristocratic origin.

Modern neo-"Nazis" are white niggers.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 05:04 PM

Most "Nazis" did not understand national socialism. The few who did - pan-Nationalism, natural selection, anti-capitalism - were usually geniuses of aristocratic origin.

Gregor Strasser was such a man.

Kodos

03-13-2006, 05:07 PM

Gregor Strasser was such a man.

LOL... gotta be kidding me.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 05:13 PM

LOL... gotta be kidding me.

No, I'm not kidding you.

It's not my problem if you prefer manic careerists who think that NS means to exterminate whole populations to prove that the own nation is the 'better'.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 05:31 PM

Nonsense.

Milosevic himself said that he was GIVEN those antibiotics ( which null the effect of heart medications ).

He also said: "I don't know why they ( the hague doctors ) are giving
these medicine to me, I don't have lepre".

There are several TV recordings of him saying that.

Milosevic was lying.

Ah, yes, your whining about tearing down Croatia.

At any time during the war in Croatia, the Serbian forces could have bombarded ZAGREB. Why didn't they?
Why was the war almost EXCLUSIVELY waged in the areas populated by the Serbs.

Because they could not reach Zagreb save for rockets....which they did once and paid for it with military actions "Flash" and "Storm" that followed. They didn't had much rockets anyway. and since when were Dubrovnik, Osijek, Vinkovci, Zadar, etc "populated by Serbs".

ANSWER: The Serbs of Croatia were ATTACKED by the Croatian police and military. Your proud Catholic forces raped 80-year old women, as reported by Canadian soldiers, for god's sake.

Or, is that some part of a Canadian conspiracy against Croats?

Serbs were not attacked but attacked others unprovoked. They armed themselves with help of your precious Milosevic and killed, raped, looted, razed buildings and historical monuments....

As for Canadian soldiers I think I have said all on that matter....or do you wish me to post pictures again of them getting drunk and having orgies with chetnik terrorists? :rofl:

Some soldiers from both sides did commit crimes. It was like in every war.

Individually yes there are people who did crimes on all sides...thats war. But looking at the greater picture there is only one side with chauvinistic and genocidal intentions....the Serbian side.

Pablo Escobar

03-13-2006, 05:58 PM

Milosevic was lying.

He complained on TV about being given weak heart medicines,
he complained on TV about being given antibiotics for lepra,
he then died.

My my, how many coincidences.

Because they could not reach Zagreb save for rockets....which they did once and paid for it with military actions "Flash" and "Storm" that followed.

The rockets were fired as warning in 1991.
The 'flash' and 'storm' took place in 1995.

They didn't had much rockets anyway.

But, you just said they were regularly armed by Serbia.
You're a terrible liar.

and since when were Dubrovnik, Osijek, Vinkovci, Zadar, etc "populated by Serbs".

Since medieval times.

Serbs were not attacked but attacked others unprovoked.

They were defending their own homes from Croatian military and police actions.

They armed themselves with help of your precious Milosevic and killed, raped, looted, razed buildings and historical monuments....

:rolleyes:

As for Canadian soldiers I think I have said all on that matter....or do you wish me to post pictures again of them getting drunk and having orgies with chetnik terrorists? :rofl:

Sure, sure... post them "again" :rolleyes:

Individually yes there are people who did crimes on all sides...thats war. But looking at the greater picture there is only one side with chauvinistic and genocidal intentions....the Serbian side.

:rofl:

Watzy

03-13-2006, 06:19 PM

he complained on TV about being given antibiotics for lepra,
he then died.

Rifampicin is not a poison, and nobody proscribed or forced him to take it, he consumed it by his own will to worsen his condition and blackmail the court to release him to Russia.

Banat

03-13-2006, 06:47 PM

88/14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-039.gif

Since ZOG was perfectly OK with condemning the entire WW2 Nazi clique within circa 5 MONTHS what do you think prevented ZOG to condemn this Balkan jester in 5 YEARS long process?

Lack of any solid evidence for the accusations, perhaps? That is war crimes, crimes against humanity nad genocide?

Though not given to conspiracy theories, the timing of this (Purim) and the jewish penchant for feeding prisoners poisoned food (arsenic laden bread for ze Germans, oy vey a mitzvah!) leads me to believe he was murdered. He was a thorn in the jewy side of the EU for awhile, and this shut him up.

The Jews? Nope. The question is if he was deliberately mudered at all.

Of course, if this post wasn't just a joke.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 06:47 PM

But looking at the greater picture there is only one side with chauvinistic and genocidal intentions....the Serbian side.

I am convinced that it was one of Tudjman's early goals at least to lower the percentage of Serbs in Croatia.

But I am also convinced that his plans were not genocidal.

infoterror

03-13-2006, 07:12 PM

It's not my problem if you prefer manic careerists who think that NS means to exterminate whole populations to prove that the own nation is the 'better'.

Yeah. This is why I describe myself as a pan-Nationalist: nationalism for all populations = ethnic separation, cultural preservation and an end to globalism (consumerism, liberal democracy, multiculture).

cerberus

03-13-2006, 07:13 PM

If he was bumped off - and I believe it most likely that he was
Key words here being "If" and "I believe".
Basil you are believing on the basis of a suspicion and that alone.
Your suspicion is based on what ?
His blood was examined and it's proven he was poisoned.

Who proved what ?
What substances are you talking about ? (I ask because I don't know).
Now let me ask two akward questions.
If he was poisoned , who did it and why ?

Ace Rimmer

03-13-2006, 07:21 PM

The rockets were fired as warning in 1991.
The 'flash' and 'storm' took place in 1995.

Gallery (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=56670#post56670) Attacks on Zagreb , 2nd of May 1995

But, you just said they were regularly armed by Serbia.
You're a terrible liar.

Gallery (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3718) showing Serb irregulars supported by Federal Army and Serb volunteers from Serbia and military hardware from Serbia

Video (http://www.lijepanasadomovinahrvatska.com/video05/KOMSIJE%201.wmv) showing the true nature of Serbian aggression and war in Croatia, various video material taped by Serbs, aggression not defense.

They were defending their own homes from Croatian military and police actions.

Explain us please, how is following, among many other facts, act of defense:

Gallery (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=14235#post14235) of Vukovar destruction

Gallery (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18558#post18558) of Dubrovnik destruction

Gallery (http://www.hbk.hr/crkve/mjesta.html) of 1246 Systematically destroyed Catholic churches, abbeys and monasteries in Croatia

Testimony (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4550) of Milan Babic , one of the leaders of Serbs in Croatia and their aggression on Croatia

....or do you wish me to post pictures again of them getting drunk and having orgies with chetnik terrorists?

Sure, sure... post them "again" :rolleyes:

Gallery (http://www.nacional.hr/articles/view/19670/)

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 07:43 PM

Key words here being "If" and "I believe".
Basil you are believing on the basis of a suspicion and that alone.
Your suspicion is based on what Unlike you I do not have an unconditional faith in the goodness of the western allies.

"If" and "I believe" are appropriate here because we don't have sufficient evidence. These are important distinctions. I imagine that if they say he died of innocent causes, you will believe that, except you won't call it a belief, you will call it a "proven fact" or somesuch, simply because the Saintly Allies Who Can Do No Wrong said so.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 07:48 PM

Unlike you I do not have an unconditional faith in the goodness of the western allies.
So your view is based on one of mistrust and perhaps not any specific and accurate information which you have to hand?
Might you just be presuming the cause of death ?
Just beacuse you suspect or more expect does not make it so , its all rumour at the moment.

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 07:51 PM

So your view is based on one of mistrust and perhaps not any specific and accurate information which you have to hand?
Might you just be presuming the cause of death ?
Just beacuse you suspect or more expect does not make it so , its all rumour at the moment.And just because you worship the western powers doesn;t make it otherwise.

I base it on the simple fact that is suits them to have him out of the way. He was proving to be a tougher nut to crack than originally envisaged. He also knew too much. The circumstantial evdience is powerful.

It is unlikely that they will ever know for sure as an autopsy by a trusted thrid party has been ruled out - which in istelf is strong grounds for extreme suspicion.

Zrinski

03-13-2006, 08:03 PM

He complained on TV about being given weak heart medicines,
he complained on TV about being given antibiotics for lepra,
he then died.

It was all his show. He was the one taking the lepra and tuberculosis himself not the court...they didn't even knew he is taking this medication. The reason why he took it because they negated heart medications. He did because he thought they will release him to Moscow....like anyone will release one of the biggest criminals to go wherever he wants.

My my, how many coincidences.

No coincedance...it was all well planned by Milosevic...unfortunately or luckily for him his plans went wrong.

The rockets were fired as warning in 1991.
The 'flash' and 'storm' took place in 1995.

The rockets were fired in 1995 after the 'Flash' operation in western Slavonia you moron. :p

But, you just said they were regularly armed by Serbia.
You're a terrible liar.

Yes they were with guns, tanks and grenades....not with rockets as JNA didn't had much of those anyway.

Since medieval times.

:rofl: Find me one map showing those cities as part of Serbia.
It's like if I would say that Vienna and Budapest were once Croatian cities. :p

They were defending their own homes from Croatian military and police actions.

By pulling blocades and attacking police officers? Tell that story to someone else...

:rolleyes:

You can :rolleyes: as much as you want...those are facts.

Sure, sure... post them "again" :rolleyes:

I would if I wouldn't know that porn is not allowed here. Canadian soldiers got a medal for a "battle" that never happened...they got drunk and lost themselves in the woods....ridiculous...

:rofl:

:rofl: x2

I am convinced that it was one of Tudjman's early goals at least to lower the percentage of Serbs in Croatia.

But I am also convinced that his plans were not genocidal.

What Tudjman alone thought at first or at the end is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is was this the official policy of the Croatian goverment...the answer is no. Unlike Serbian goverment and intellectuals(the so-called intellecual...only in Serbia they are considered that) all advocated and led chauvinistic policy which ultimately resulted in genocide and orgy of destruction of everything that is not Serbian.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 08:04 PM

strong grounds for extreme suspicion.

So you provide suspicion based on your own prejudice ?
Powerful proof Basil , it's not even hearsay.
And just because you worship the western powers doesn;t make it otherwise.

This is your assumption , your own prejudices are your proof.

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 08:07 PM

So you provide suspicion based on your own prejudice ?
Powerful proof Basil , it's not even hearsay.

This is your assumption , your own prejudices provide your proof.The circumstantial evidence I mentioned. The west has much to conceal concerning its policies and actions in the Balkans. Nothing to do with "prejudice" as you like to call it.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 08:19 PM

Seems a bit late in the day for this.
If he was such a powerful enemy why a trial , why go this far ?
Again this is your own prejudiced opinion.
This man had blood on his hands , rather a lot.
The trial he had was more than he gave the people shot into mass graves.
I don't think that "the West" had any specific interest in killing him.
He was a murderer , a war criminal , nothing more.

Sulla the Dictator

03-13-2006, 08:21 PM

cerberus

03-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Sulla , I can't bring myself to believe that Basil would do anything less than have an informed opinion rooted in a firm factual base.:p

vojvoda

03-13-2006, 09:18 PM

Yeap. Tell that to Zrinski, Zvaci, Gromovnik and other professional whiners.

The Three Stooges. Zvaci would definitely be Curly :D

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 09:35 PM

Seems a bit late in the day for this.
If he was such a powerful enemy why a trial , why go this far ?The war crimes trial for the FYR has outlived its usefulness, as it was purely a propaganda device.
Again this is your own prejudiced opinion.Not its not.
This man had blood on his hands , rather a lot. Not as much as has been made out, and nothing compared to the sanctimonious hypocrites that were accusing him.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 10:05 PM

Basil,
It is about Milosevic.
Any conflict between the NATO forces and Serbia - he was well warned and got every chance to avoid it.
As far as blood goes - the detention camps he ran , the rape camps, the murder of thousands- stay focused Basil.
The war crimes trial for the FYR has outlived its usefulness, as it was purely a propaganda device.
Tell that to the relatives of his victims.
Not its not.
As your post demonstrates , yes it is.
Not as much as has been made out, and nothing compared to the sanctimonious hypocrites that were accusing him.
" Not as much" - you sound like a revisionist.;)
He was guilty and he would have deserved life behind bars.

infoterror

03-13-2006, 10:08 PM

He wasn't democratic. Even if he had the right answer, he was a bad man and we should never consider that answer, because it's not democratic.

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 10:22 PM

Basil,
It is about Milosevic.
Any conflict between the NATO forces and Serbia - he was well warned and got every chance to avoid it.
As far as blood goes - the detention camps he ran , the rape camps, the murder of thousands- stay focused Basil.Save it. Your sanctimony and double standards have always revolted me.
Tell that to the relatives of his victims.And what do we tell all the victims of US/UK bombing?

As your post demonstrates , yes it is.No it isn't because we are dealing here with your irrational adoration of the western powers.

" Not as much" - you sound like a revisionist.;) Why don't you simply compare the claims made by your people before and what has actually been established since? You will notice a huge discrepancy. Its not as if this is controversial either.
He was guilty and he would have deserved life behind bars.Well then Clinton and Blair should have been hanged. Whislt they were bombing the hell out of the FRY they were also bombing Iraq and maintaining a murderous siege. But now I suppose you will deny that as well. Anything that tarnishes your heroes.

Daniel Shays

03-13-2006, 10:24 PM

He wasn't democratic. Even if he had the right answer, he was a bad man and we should never consider that answer, because it's not democratic.

I could just as easily discount a leader because he was democratic.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 10:27 PM

Anything that tarnishes your heroes.
Basil,
Why do you always turn things around.
All I ask is that you wait , or produce some proof that your suspicions are anything more than just suspicions.
Trust Tony Blair - I agree with you on that one - I don't trust him.
On the other hand as far as this dead war criminal goes his own people found they could not trust him.
Now I am not taking this off topic and getting into any slanging match with you , if you want to do that fine - but do it with someone else.

Slavic Enforcer

03-13-2006, 10:29 PM

I could just as easily discount a leader because he was democratic.

Move to a country like China if you don't like democracy, dickhead.

Basil Fawlty

03-13-2006, 10:30 PM

Basil,
Why do you always turn things around.Because of your double standards.
On the other hand as far as this dead war criminal goes his own people found they could not trust him.So what? Great numbers British and American people do not trust the criminals at the top in their countries either.

cerberus

03-13-2006, 10:38 PM

Because of "your" double standards.
At last Basil - some insight into "your" own thinking.

Basil by defending this man - even in terms of " not as much blood" you show your own double standards - your own prejudices are clear from this thread - you make that point unaided.

Now unless you have some proof of your suspicions I suggest that you hold fire until you have.
You never know , you might be wrong - wouldn't that be a turn up for the books.:)
I am be wrong - but lets wait for something more than suspicion.

Helios Panoptes

03-13-2006, 10:40 PM

LOL... gotta be kidding me.

Care to elaborate on this?

Sulla the Dictator

03-14-2006, 12:08 AM

Because of your double standards.

I wasn't aware all the Croats in this thread were Americans or British. Who is making Zvaci denounce Slobo? Even AWAR doesn't think he was a very good guy, even though he has a different view on the issue.

The only people trying to turn him into a saint are you and WFHermann.

Slavic Enforcer

03-14-2006, 12:19 AM

The only people trying to turn him into a saint are you and WFHermann.

The same kind of people that screamed "Death to Communists" some years ago.

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 09:01 AM

At last Basil - some insight into "your" own thinking.

Basil by defending this man - even in terms of " not as much blood" you show your own double standards - your own prejudices are clear from this thread - you make that point unaided.I don't recall defending him. The only thing I said that could possibly be construed in that way was what everyone knows - reports of atrocities were greatly inflated. But to say that is merely to report the facts as opposed to recycling old war atrocity propaganda. Oh yes, but that is all you ever do here!
Now unless you have some proof of your suspicions I suggest that you hold fire until you have.I once asked you for proof of homocidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, I'm still waiting.

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 09:06 AM

I wasn't aware all the Croats in this thread were Americans or British. Who is making Zvaci denounce Slobo? Even AWAR doesn't think he was a very good guy, even though he has a different view on the issue.Do try and follow the thread if you are going to comment. Cerberus is expressing mock outrage again at Milosevic whilst being completely silent on US/UK atrocities and criminality which far exceed anything Milosevic was involved with. This is hypocrisy, and its obnoxious.
The only people trying to turn him into a saint are you and WFHermann.I wont speak for WF but you are definitely lying of you say that about me.

This is not about whether or not Milosevic was a good guy or a monster - I am quite uninterested in that - its about western hypcorisy and cynicism which is never in short supply on this board.

Sulla the Dictator

03-14-2006, 09:19 AM

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 09:22 AM

Milosovic is a man, the "US and UK" are not individuals. "You did it to" isn't a defense either. Not to mention how absurd the premise of equal guilt is.O.k, if you want to pettyfog; Clinton/Blair.

But hey, I have yet to see a murderous despot you HAVEN'T tried to absolve of his butchery.So we're back to personal insult again? :rolleyes:

Sulla the Dictator

03-14-2006, 09:23 AM

O.k, if you want to pettyfog; Clinton/Blair.

I see the pattern here. If the US and Britain oppose a fellow, he's the good guy. Is that about right?

So we're back to personal insult again?

From Hitler to Slobo.

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 09:29 AM

I see the pattern here. If the US and Britain oppose a fellow, he's the good guy. Is that about right?No. The substantive issue here is double standards, hypcorisy, and cynicism, of which the liberal democracies have no peer.
From Hitler to Slobo.I see. So because I am not prepared to parrot war atrocity propaganda I think they are good guys?

But now you switch back to US/UK.

Again, you are geting distracted by your ad hominem obssession from the real business: why was Milosevic a criminal but those who laid siege to Iraq killing hundreds of thousands by third part estimates not in the dock too? The very same people who conducted a mass criminal bombing campaign against the FYR.

cerberus

03-14-2006, 02:48 PM

Do try and follow the thread if you are going to comment. Cerberus is expressing mock outrage again at Milosevic whilst being completely silent on US/UK atrocities and criminality which far exceed anything Milosevic was involved with. This is hypocrisy, and its obnoxious.

Basil , no mock outrage - do try and follow the thread.
Milosevic was a rather vile being.
You again present you own prejudiced views as being evidence.

Some flaws in the he was killed conspiracy.
It seems Dutch doctors far from being neglectful sent samples of Milosevic's blood to be examined by a toxicologist - who was unaware that the sample source, he found the drugs.
Doctors treating him were concerned that his medications were ineffective , was he actually taking what was perscribed for him or not ?
It seems that a Judge had ordered that Milosevic take his medications under supervision.
B/P was not responding to perscribed medictaions.
Now who gave him the medication ?
After looking it up in the "BNF" it would seem that as a poison this drug would not be hard to find and trace back - so anyone wishing to poison him deliberately would be making a rope to hang themselves.
Don't rule out that Milosevic was doing this himself with a drug smuggled in to him - his gain outside medical treatment - in Moscow if he could swing it.
Promise to return to defend himself then , refuse to do so.
It may have been an accidental death at his own hands.

I see that the Serbian goverment don't want anything to do wit his funeral - up to the family where he is buried.
Russians want to send 4 doctors in to do an independent "pm".
Strange that ?
had he not died , where do you think he might have gone or want to go for treatment , Moscow !

WFHermans

03-14-2006, 03:25 PM

After looking it up in the "BNF" it would seem that as a poison this drug would not be hard to find and trace back - so anyone wishing to poison him deliberately would be making a rope to hang themselves.
No, they're not. It's classical chutzpah. Like the Mossad team that was filming the airplanes smashing into the WTC buildings.

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 03:56 PM

Basil , no mock outrage - do try and follow the thread.
Milosevic was a rather vile being.Once again you are being evasive. Where is your condemnation or what Clinton and Blair were doing in Iraq and the FYR at this time? As long as you employ double standards all your moral posturings will be nothing but hypocrisy.

Banat

03-14-2006, 05:44 PM

The reaction of Croatians I hope for is that of Hitler when he heard Chamberlain died. Respect for the enemy and sadness they were enemies at all. Gloating over a dead enemy who was already beaten is not honorable.

You'll find that kind of reaction in Croatian general Ante Gotovina, a Hague prisoner still awaiting trial.

He expressed solidarity with other Hague inmates of Serbian nationality, and added his name to "last greeting to a Hague co-fighter" and expresses of sincere condolences to Milosevic's family published today in Serbian press.

Among twenty or so names, including Milan Martic, president of former Serb Krajina in Croatia, and Veselin Slivancanin, accused for war crimes in Vukovar, there are two Croatian names, one of general Gotovina, and one of Mladen Naletelic - Tuta.

Basil , no mock outrage - do try and follow the thread.
Milosevic was a rather vile being.

I think he wasn't. And I say that from the position of a person who has never been a supporter or an admirer of his.

Watzy

03-14-2006, 06:29 PM

You'll find that kind of reaction in Croatian general Ante Gotovina, a Hague prisoner still awaiting trial.

He expressed solidarity with other Hague inmates of Serbian nationality, and added his name to "last greeting to a Hague co-fighter" and expresses of sincere condolences to Milosevic's family published today in Serbian press.

No, he did not you Chetnik liar! :nono:

GOTOVINA:

"I did not signed any last greeting to 'the Hague co-fighter'"

"After the death of Slobodan Milosevic, according to the Christian fate and Catholic upbringing...I only offered my condolence to the family whose member died in the cell next to my own."

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=310823

infoterror

03-14-2006, 06:34 PM

I could just as easily discount a leader because he was democratic.

You're OK then ;)

WFHermans

03-14-2006, 06:56 PM

He expressed solidarity with other Hague inmates of Serbian nationality, and added his name to "last greeting to a Hague co-fighter" and expresses of sincere condolences to Milosevic's family published today in Serbian press.
or
.I only offered my condolence to the family whose member died in the cell next to my own."
doesn't make a big difference. Gotovina did the honorable thing and I salute him for that.

cerberus

03-14-2006, 06:59 PM

Where is your condemnation or what Clinton and Blair were doing in Iraq and the FYR at this time?

If Saddam had "Chemical Ali" then the Phora certainly has "Classical Basil":D
This " Classical Basil" , almost like Basil Brush. ( American members do a UK based Google search for basil Brush.).

Basil if you want to run a thread on the politicians you mention do so.
At the moment this is about a man who was called Milosvic.
Now rant away about my "double standards"and my whatever you wish but its a diversional activity - go get on with it.
So often have we seen this before no one is going to turn a hair , nor will anyone be unduely surprised.
The floor is yours but open a thread on the subject you want to discuss - don't misuse this one.

Once again you are being evasive.
Sorry Basil , I didn't mean to post off topic only I thought this thread was about his death .
What is FYR ??

Banat

03-14-2006, 07:06 PM

No, he did not you Chetnik liar! :nono:

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=310823

The only truth in this post was that I was a Chetnik.

As your link clearly says, he did offer his condolences to Milosevic's family, as he had good relations with him since the day he arrived in Sheveningen, and got a nickname 'Brucoš', that is 'Freshman' from the rest of the residents.

www.vecernji-list.hr/ (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/international/503647/index.do)

Show some dignity, man. You're almost thirty and you still behave like a brat.

Watzy

03-14-2006, 07:39 PM

Show some dignity, man.

Here you go

http://www.index.hr/images2/kvragusm1v.jpg

Basil Fawlty

03-14-2006, 10:17 PM

If Saddam had "Chemical Ali" then the Phora certainly has "Classical Basil":D If you are hoping to carve out a niche for yourself as a wit, all I can say is don't give up the day job. All your evasive waffle still won't make the question go away:
Where is your condemnation of what Clinton and Blair were doing in Iraq and the FRY at this time?

Sorry Basil , I didn't mean to post off topic only I thought this thread was about his death .It was you who started (hypocritically) moralising
What is ??It should read FRY. Do you need me to tell you what that is?

vojvoda

03-14-2006, 10:19 PM

He was unconvicted and therefore died an innocent man like his "innocent" counterparts Tudjman and Izetbegovic. End of story.

Watzy

03-14-2006, 11:03 PM

He was unconvicted and therefore died an innocent man like his "innocent" counterparts Tudjman and Izetbegovic. End of story.

Not quite. The court is preparing to issue a document confirming his responsibility. This document shall not have the same legal importance as the conviction, but it shall be noted.

Tudjman died as a TRUE leader - in the capital of the state he fathered, confessed by his church, mourned by his people, saluted by his army and buried in his native soil. On the other hand there shall be no state burial for Milosevic. The authorities in Belgrade refused to grant him the official funeral.

cerberus

03-14-2006, 11:29 PM

FRY
Go on Basil , I know you will "educate" me, its a meaningless three letter code as it is.
Now as far as the rest of your tosh goes Basil - what can I say to you ?
I don't swallow your line that he was murdered or neglected - it suits you to soin and promote that - your hatred of the "Allies" and the "Birts" in particular blinds you , this is further endorsed by your hatred of the Jews which you water down to make you look like a moderate individual who is basically objective and focused on seeking the truth.

I don't have to simulate my horror or produce any "mock" for you - nor do I have to produce on demand any Where is your condemnation of what Clinton and Blair were doing in Iraq .
Look elsewhere for your trained monkey.
You have yet to produce anything more than your opinion and "extreme suspicion" , when you can produce something more I will be prepared to listen.

Watzy

03-14-2006, 11:31 PM

Serb Experts Satisfied with Milosevic Autopsy (http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20060313&hn=30816)

Toxicologist suspects Milosevic faked illness (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/14/news/drugs.php)

'Lax prison security' allowed Milosevic to smuggle in drugs (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2086329,00.html)

cerberus

03-14-2006, 11:37 PM

Serb Experts Satisfied with Milosevic Autopsy

Toxicologist suspects Milosevic faked illness

'Lax prison security' allowed Milosevic to smuggle in drugs

Zvaci , do you think that Ming/ "Basil" / "O'Reilly"/ "Reinhold". will think anything other than an invented admission of guilt will be accpetable ?
That it is invented or false will not matter .

Watzy

03-15-2006, 12:24 AM

Zvaci , do you think that Ming/ "Basil" / "O'Reilly"/ "Reinhold". will think anything other than an invented admission of guilt will be accpetable ?
That it is invented or false will not matter .

An invented admission of guilt (of Milosevic's doctors or some court officials) would fit splendidly into already existing constructions of the anti-government movements.

infoterror

03-15-2006, 01:47 AM

Seems to me the issue will remain open unless we have total trust in the press, et al. Wonder if any of those organizations also reported the Gulf of Tonkin incident? ;)

The Serb

03-15-2006, 06:32 AM

He was unconvicted and therefore died an innocent man like his "innocent" counterparts Tudjman and Izetbegovic. End of story.

It would be highly disingenuous and malicious to draw parallels between ZOG lackeys Tudjman/Izetbegovic who are bona fide war criminals and an innocent man like Milosevic whose only 'crime' was an unsuccessful attempt to defend his country from foreign aggression and their local fifth column elements.A man who was murdered in the Hague gulag by the the criminal New World Order gang and its jackals posing as an 'independent tribunal'.

TEXT OF SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC'S LETTER TO THE RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

The text of a handwritten letter dated March 8, 2006, written by Slobodan Milosevic to Russia asking for its help. It was provided in an English translation by his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic:

To the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation:

Dear ladies and gentlemen,

With my acknowledgment for the solidarity and understanding which you expressed by accepting to receive me to come for medical treatment and by giving guarantees, I would like to inform you about the following:

I think that the persistence, with which the medical treatment in Russia was denied, in the first place is motivated by the fear that through careful examination it would be discovered, that there were active, willful steps taken, to destroy my health, throughout the proceedings of the trial, which could not be hidden from Russian specialists.

In order to verify my allegations, I'm presenting you a simple example which you can find in the attachment. This document, which I received on March 7, shows that on January 12th (i.e. two months ago), an extremely strong drug was found in my blood, which is used, as they themselves say, for the treatment of tuberculosis and leprosy, although I never used any kind of antibiotic during this 5 years that I'm in their prison.

Throughout this whole period, neither have I had any kind of infectious illness (apart from flu).

Also the fact that doctors needed 2 months (to report to me), can't have any other explanation than we are facing manipulation. In any case, those who foist on me a drug against leprosy surely can't treat my illness; likewise those from which I defended my country in times of war and who have an interest to silence me.

Dear Sirs, it is known to you that Russian physicians, who rank among the most respected physicians in the world, came to the conclusion that the examination and treatment of the vascular problems in my head are inevitable and urgent. I know very well that this is true, as I feel very bad.

I'm addressing you in expectation that you help me defend my health from the criminal activities in this institution, working under the sign of the U.N., and that I be enabled as soon as possible to get adequate treatment in your hospital, in whose physicians, as well as in Russia, I have absolute confidence.

Yours sincerely,
Slobodan Milosevic

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I29885-2004Jul05

Vindex

03-15-2006, 07:18 AM

Did not Milosevic put the death squads to the creeping pestilence of islam, if so where is the problem?

Basil Fawlty

03-15-2006, 09:48 AM

Go on Basil , I know you will "educate" me, its a meaningless three letter code as it is.You seem to know all about Milosevic except the name of the state of which he was president.
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
Now as far as the rest of your tosh goes Basil - what can I say to you ?You have the nerve to say that and you don't even know what FRY means?

I don't have to simulate my horror or produce any "mock" for you - nor do I have to produce on demand any .You don't have horror because you are a hypocrite. You have never raised a single protest at German, Iraqi, Serbian civilian dead in all your disgusting chanting about morality. You are a hypocrite through and through.

Take a look at this http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5070

Hugh Jorgen

03-15-2006, 10:18 AM

Thumbs up Basil!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Basil Fawlty again."

cerberus

03-15-2006, 10:47 AM

You seem to know all about Milosevic except the name of the state of which he was president.
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

basil - your communication skills fail you - if you are going to impart information do so in terms that others can understand.
Three letter codes mean nothing , try this one beh ?

cerberus

03-15-2006, 10:51 AM

You don't have horror because you are a hypocrite. You have never raised a single protest at German, Iraqi, Serbian civilian dead in all your disgusting chanting about morality. You are a hypocrite through and through.

Actually I have .
You forget that Hitler murderer may of his own citizens .
I have said on numerous occasions that the German people deserved better than than Adolf Hitler , for this reason.
Now as far as your lecture on Mr. Milosevic goes - again its " classica Basil"
Actually I thought he was from Norway and was only there on a temp. contract to supervise the road mending in the wake of the series of civil wars which he did nothing to encourage.:rolleyes:

WFHermans

03-15-2006, 10:55 AM

Not a word by cerberus against massmurders Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and George W.Bush. I'm not surprised. He advocates the rape of white children, so the massmurder of whites isn't of his concern either.

cerberus

03-15-2006, 10:58 AM

Only a matter of time until WFH turns up to keep the thread on topic, Flak 88 should make you a moderator.:rolleyes:
Suggest you all try to think of the demise of Mr. Milosevic.

Sulla the Dictator

03-15-2006, 11:05 AM

No. The substantive issue here is double standards, hypcorisy, and cynicism, of which the liberal democracies have no peer.
I see. So because I am not prepared to parrot war atrocity propaganda I think they are good guys?

Well you call it propaganda. If you deny any of the wickedness done by the man, how are you NOT supporting him?

You're saying he hasn't DONE anything wrong. And since he's 'innocent', he's being persecuted. Why would someone persecute an innocent man, KNOWINGLY at that?

Well, obviously because the people persecuting him are wicked, and he's good. :p

Why can't you be honest? I'm honest. I am declaring that Slobo was a little monster, who is responsible for a great many deaths. Thats my honest opinion. Why don't you follow suit? Make a declarative statement once in a while, you'll feel better.

But now you switch back to US/UK.

Great nations. I love em both. Look, another declarative statement. :p

Again, you are geting distracted by your ad hominem obssession from the real business: why was Milosevic a criminal but those who laid siege to Iraq killing hundreds of thousands by third part estimates not in the dock too?

What does Milosovic have to do with Iraq? What does Iraq, in fact, have to do with the Balkans?

Its interesting how every nation the West fights is innocent of every single thing its accused of. Miraculous, really. Can you please point me to the Department of Fabricating Evidence that apparently NEVER stops 'inventing' atrocities?

Its apparent that you think dictatorships and ETHNIC MILITIAS are incapable of comitting crimes. No public oversight is condusive to ethical behaviour by state and paramilitary forces, eh?

The very same people who conducted a mass criminal bombing campaign against the FYR.

Of course. And bombed Germany. Neither of which ever hurt a soul who didn't have it coming. Nazi Germany was like a collective CHRIST, wasn't it? What does that make Serbia? Paul? Nailed to the cross of a Jewish owned ZOG, eh?

Sulla the Dictator

03-15-2006, 11:06 AM

Only a matter of time until WFH turns up to keep the thread on topic, Flak 88 should make you a moderator.:rolleyes:
Suggest you all try to think of the demise of Mr. Milosevic.

Just ignore WFH. I do. Maybe when his posts go past the second line and he doesn't say the word "Jew" things will change.

cerberus

03-15-2006, 11:17 AM

I look forward to his punch lines - usually to do with either you or I or both of us wanting to see children raped , whoever did the surgical work on his cereberal cortex did n't do a great job.
If I were WFH I would ask for my money back.

Sulla the Dictator

03-15-2006, 11:19 AM

Basil Fawlty

03-15-2006, 02:21 PM

Well you call it propaganda. If you deny any of the wickedness done by the man, how are you NOT supporting him?I haven't denied anything. We just haven't seen the proof of those wild allegations made pursuant of the criminal bombings of the FRY. See this http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5070
You're saying he hasn't DONE anything wrong. And since he's 'innocent', he's being persecuted. Why would someone persecute an innocent man, KNOWINGLY at that? Strawman based on a lie.
Why can't you be honest? I'm honest. I am declaring that Slobo was a little monster, who is responsible for a great many deaths. But you are not honest. You have lied above (in bold). Thats my honest opinion. Why don't you follow suit? Make a declarative statement once in a while, you'll feel better. Try this: you are lying.
Great nations. I love em both. Look, another declarative statement. :pI know you love them both because you defend their crimes whilst howling hypocritically about their enemies for what are very often lesser crimes.
What does Milosovic have to do with Iraq? What does Iraq, in fact, have to do with the Balkans? It has to do with the double standards you employ, just like the criminals Blair, Clinton and Albright et al. Its very obnoxious.
Of course.Of course it was a criminal bombing. The first bit of honesty so far. And bombed Germany. Neither of which ever hurt a soul who didn't have it coming. I see, all those civilians incinerated in the mass fire bombings "had it coming"?

cerberus

03-15-2006, 03:33 PM

Basil , you know the next you will be saying is that the Holocaust never happened.:nono: :rolleyes:
Listening to your world view on how the "Alllies" or " the West" are always the criminals - you are consistent if nothing else - the tune never changes -
I think even the Pope can be wrong.;)

You do remind me of Ian Paisley - conspiracy abounds , you are never mistaken and everyone else is mistaken. " Classical Basil".:222:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=59009&posted=1#post59009

http://www.nesl.edu/center/balkan1.htm

cerberus

03-15-2006, 05:29 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4807942.stm

Makes intersting reading Basil.
No talk of murder , a heart attack - it has been said that his pathology was treatable.
I don't doubt it , wonder where that unperscribed drug came from ?
Self perscription /
His family are pointing the finger at the Dutch - saying that he should have been allowed to go to Moscow for treatment.
Why am I not surprised by that.
Seems that murder is being counted out by the Russians - tell me Basil given what you have said about the Russians before would you trust them ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4801626.stm

Medication

Two doctors reported not only that there were no traces of the pills in his blood, but that traces of another drug were found.

"He is taking another drug," concluded a report by a Dr Dijkman on 26 August, 2004. "The other drug that has been taken without prescription and without supervision by the Detention Unit staff."

The report continued: "Since this drug is not on his medication list in his medical file, this means that Mr Milosevic must obtain this drug in another way."

It remains to be seen what that other way was, but tribunal prosecutors were in no doubt that Mr Milosevic was taking the pills himself, in order to worsen his health condition and derail the trial.

"He has been obtaining for his own purposes other drugs, no doubt to help himself," leading prosecutor Geoffrey Nice told trial judges in September that year. "This material makes it overwhelmingly clear that the accused will do whatever is necessary to serve his own purposes."