"The bad genes make Jews smarter" - LA Times

[Flint Steel]

Jewish legacy inscribed on genes?

Ashkenazi Jews have a higher rate of some deadly genetic diseases -- and of high IQs. Scientists Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending say that's no coincidence.

By Karen Kaplan
April 18, 2009
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Gregory Cochran has always been drawn to puzzles. This one had been gnawing at him for several years: Why are European Jews prone to so many deadly genetic diseases?

Tay-Sachs disease. Canavan disease. More than a dozen more.

It offended Cochran's sense of logic. Natural selection, the self-taught genetics buff knew, should flush dangerous DNA from the gene pool. Perhaps the mutations causing these diseases had some other, beneficial purpose. But what?

At 3:17 one morning, after a long night searching a database of scientific journals from his disheveled home office in Albuquerque, Cochran fired off an e-mail to his collaborator Henry Harpending, a distinguished professor of anthropology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.

"I've figured it out, I think," Cochran typed. "Pardon my crazed excitement."

The "faulty" genes, Cochran concluded, make Jews smarter.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-jewish-iq18-2009apr18,0,2228388.story

[Jett]

Because nature is trying to kill them off?

[Julian Curtis Lee]

Simple common sense would tell me that this "smartness" would have to be just as pathological, in its own way, as the physical faults.

[harjit]

Simple common sense would tell me that this "smartness" would have to be just as pathological, in its own way, as the physical faults.
I once read some account of the Holocaust in a magazine in which a old Jewish complained that too many gentle working-class Jews were killed. The result was that those who remained were hard, savvy, enterprising types with either great wealth or influence or street smarts.

(If you're a revisionist, whether they killed by gassing or typhus is up to you, but neither would have occurred if they were left unmolested in their homes.)

[Empress Cheesatine]

Ya think the LA Times would publish an article like this about Europeans? NOT!

[Kodos]

Most highly intelligent people I know (myself included) have mild autism, mood or personality disorders...

[Gregz]

Simple common sense would tell me that this "smartness" would have to be just as pathological, in its own way, as the physical faults.

Intelligence (which is a abstract and inherently difficult to quantify) is as much nurture as it is nature. Cochran like other pseudo-Scientist reaches conclusions without providing any proof. Nor is he the first person to toy with this idea.

Natural selection improves traits including intelligence. The faulty Ashkenazi Jews genes are the result of protracted periods of inbreeding (genetic-bottlenecking). The same is also true of the Finns, who also suffer from a higher incidence of genetic health related problems than other populations.

[vector]

Intelligence (which is a abstract and inherently difficult to quantify) is as much nurture as it is nature. Cochran like other pseudo-Scientist reaches conclusions without providing any proof. Nor is he the first person to toy with this idea.

Natural selection improves traits including intelligence. The faulty Ashkenazi Jews genes are the result of protracted periods of inbreeding (genetic-bottlenecking). The same is also true of the Finns, who also suffer from a higher incidence of genetic health related problems than other populations.
Absolutely, he's not just a pseudo scientist, even that title is far too much for him, just a retard wasting his professor seat & research budget.

If he wants to lay such a claim, he must first identify genes responsible for Intelligence AS IT IS DEFINED BROADLY (impossible) and then sample ashkenazi jews
even a kid would ask twice this theory of his, in fact that's what i'm gonna do.
i'm gonna tell some kids from the high school building about this and see what they think (france).

I just don't understand why "competent websites" publish this kind of bull shit ...

[Felix the Cat]

Jews are a very inbred people, and inbreeding reinforces both the positive and negative characteristics of a people.

It was a viable breeding strategy in former times, when Jews had many children, and the unhealthy ones were allowed to die and therefore didn't grow too numerous.

[Jett]

Or the unhealthy ones were nursed to health while the healthy normal ones ran away to find normal peoples to join.

"The Jew genes make them Bad"

[Felix the Cat]

Genius and lunacy often run in the same families. Inbreeding will help produce more geniuses, but also more lunatics and other defectives.

[Ahknaton]

IIRC there is a slight correlation between Asthma and high IQ. I can't find any info on it from a quick web search though.

[Hartmann von Aue]

IIRC there is a slight correlation between Asthma and high IQ. I can't find any info on it from a quick web search though.

interesting.

[vector]

IIRC there is a slight correlation between Asthma and high IQ. I can't find any info on it from a quick web search though.
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

[Sovereign]

So it's alright for jews to say they're smarter than Europeans, but it's racist for Whites to say they're smarter than blacks?

Bullshit imo.

[Intellectual]

So it's alright for jews to say they're smarter than Europeans, but it's racist for Whites to say they're smarter than blacks?

Bullshit imo.

Whites have a higher IQ than Jews.

[Saqqara]

The average IQ of Israel isn't that high compared to western europe. They do have a highly disproportionate amount of braggers however. What's more, one can be highly intelligent without having any personal or hereditary defects.

http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg

[Bulan]

The average IQ of Israel isn't that high compared to western europe. They do have a highly disproportionate amount of braggers however. What's more, one can be highly intelligent without having any personal or hereditary defects.

The average IQ of Israel can be deceptive, given that Ashkenazim only make up about 38% of the national population.

The average is obviously brought down by the Sephardi, Mizrahi, Arab, and other populations.

As most of us know, the abnormally high intelligence of Jews is limited to the Ashkenazim.

I would be curious to see the average IQ among just that 38% of Israelis who are Ashkenazim. My guess is that it would be much higher than Israels national average.

[Ahknaton]

IIRC there is a slight correlation between Asthma and high IQ. I can't find any info on it from a quick web search though.
Apparently this is a myth.

http://www.allernet.com/NEWSLETTER/quiz.html

The high IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is covered at length in The 10,000 Year Explosion.

[Vessper]

So it's alright for jews to say they're smarter than Europeans, but it's racist for Whites to say they're smarter than blacks?

Bullshit imo.

Ashkenazis are Europeans, and it's not racist to say that Whites are smarter than Blacks since it's a fact.

Whites have a higher IQ than Jews.

Jewish White Europeans have a higher IQ than non-Jewish White Europeans. Fact.



The average IQ of Israel can be deceptive, given that Ashkenazim only make up about 38% of the national population.

The average is obviously brought down by the Sephardi, Mizrahi, Arab, and other populations.

As most of us know, the abnormally high intelligence of Jews is limited to the Ashkenazim.

I would be curious to see the average IQ among just that 38% of Israelis who are Ashkenazim. My guess is that it would be much higher than Israels national average.

I doubt we have to guess Ze'ev, Ashkenazis are obviously smarter than the rest of the Jews.







The average IQ of Israel isn't that high compared to western europe. They do have a highly disproportionate amount of braggers however. What's more, one can be highly intelligent without having any personal or hereditary defects.

Hahahahaha..Thanks for the list :P. I guess it will help me in my fight between Argentine YouTubers and Mexican YouTubers...


Genius and lunacy often run in the same families. Inbreeding will help produce more geniuses, but also more lunatics and other defectives.
I remember Koestler saying this in "The Thirteenth Tribe", at the end.

[Crowley]

Ashkenazis are Europeans, and it's not racist to say that Whites are smarter than Blacks since it's a fact.



There are many facts that are "racist". Political correctness is dogma not science.

[Vessper]

There are many facts that are "racist". Political correctness is dogma not science.
True, but no one here says that political correctness is ok. We all agree in that, right?.

[Crowley]

True, but no one here says that political correctness is ok. We all agree in that, right?.


I was only pointing out that something can easily be both "racist" and fact at the same time.

[New Scientist]

IIRC there is a slight correlation between Asthma and high IQ. I can't find any info on it from a quick web search though.

thats in line with the cochrane theory. Basically what they are saying is reduced immune system = higher IQ.

I think its to due with the inflammatory response in the nervous system. Greater immune response shuts down some long term memory encoding. The IQ tests are more geared towards the long term manipulation of data rather than short term spatial perception.

Its a trade off. The more physically robust you are the more you need a good immune response and high spatial perception. If you alter your diet towards brain boosting memory lipids like omega 3, you lose spatial awareness and stand more chance of bleeding to death when injured.

Its because the cortex has a lipid balance between omega 3 (long term memory) and omega 6 (spatial encoding and robustness). As you increase one of the lipids the other goes down.

[New Scientist]

Most highly intelligent people I know (myself included) have mild autism, mood or personality disorders...

its because these disorders put brain activity into high gear.

[Brechun]

This theory has been floating around for like 4 years now, and Cochran and Harpending barely produced anything new to back it up- nor has anyone else.

Certainly the self-imposed eugenic practices and their high focus on learning is what's behind jewish IQ, but they're very off to pin point this down to selection for high-IQ professions during the middle ages when the sort of jobs they talk about were significantly less intellectualy demanding than they are now.

Added to how there's never been anything study out there showing conclusive proof between these sorts of neurological disorders and IQ. I mean, there's been alot of genetic screening going on among Ashkenazi in america now, and due to that, tay-sachs has virtually disappeared among them.

If what Cochran and Harpending said was true, we'd see a sizable decline in jewish intellectual prowess due to this.

[New Scientist]

This theory has been floating around for like 4 years now, and Cochran and Harpending barely produced anything new to back it up- nor has anyone else.

Certainly the self-imposed eugenic practices and their high focus on learning is what's behind jewish IQ, but they're very off to pin point this down to selection for high-IQ professions during the middle ages when the sort of jobs they talk about were significantly less intellectualy demanding than they are now.

Added to how there's never been anything study out there showing conclusive proof between these sorts of neurological disorders and IQ. I mean, there's been alot of genetic screening going on among Ashkenazi in america now, and due to that, tay-sachs has virtually disappeared among them.

If what Cochran and Harpending said was true, we'd see a sizable decline in jewish intellectual prowess due to this.

how do you know its not decreasing ?

[Brechun]

how do you know its not decreasing ?

Wouldn't it be obvious with such a prominent ethnic group? Wouldn't there be loads of stories of how jewish college attendance has fallen?

[Intellectual]

The average IQ of Israel can be deceptive, given that Ashkenazim only make up about 38% of the national population.

The average is obviously brought down by the Sephardi, Mizrahi, Arab, and other populations.

As most of us know, the abnormally high intelligence of Jews is limited to the Ashkenazim.

I would be curious to see the average IQ among just that 38% of Israelis who are Ashkenazim. My guess is that it would be much higher than Israels national average.

The Finnish Mensa group of Finns is higher than the Israeli Mensa group.

Backman (1972) tests the Ashkenazi IQ to be 105.
German IQ today is 107, that's the average car-repair, beer drinking German.

So I'm not sure where you are basing your fantasy of "abnormally high intelligence of Jews is limited to the Ashkenazim." when they test at the average level.

Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis by Dr. Richard Lynn

Explain then why wikipedia show the largest IQ test samples of Ashkenazi to be only an average median of 105.

Look at the tests on that wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

According to wikipedia listed IQ tests of Ashkenazi, the largest and most statistically accurate tests show an IQ between 103 and 107.


Backman 1972 Number of Ashkenazi Jews tested: 1236. 107.8 verbal IQ

Lynn Number of Ashkenazi Jews tested: probably close to 5000 as it was from school test scores. 103.5 Ashkenazi Jews in Israel


It's so much easier the Jew thinks to say they are of a higher IQ, than to actually prove it. That places the brightest of the Jews, the Ashkenazi below that of beer drinking and shouting Germans.

I think we've had the myth of "superior" intelligence of the Jew for far too long. It's time we look at the actual studies and use the largest test samples.

Low intelligence leads to insanity and inability to make decisions.

[Ahknaton]

Added to how there's never been anything study out there showing conclusive proof between these sorts of neurological disorders and IQ. I mean, there's been alot of genetic screening going on among Ashkenazi in america now, and due to that, tay-sachs has virtually disappeared among them.

If what Cochran and Harpending said was true, we'd see a sizable decline in jewish intellectual prowess due to this.
Does genetic screening actually reduce the overall prevalence of the gene though, or just the number of people with two copies? Since individuals with Tay Sachs do not themselves have children since it is fatal in infancy I don't see how the prevalence of the allele is decreased by screening, therefore Jewish intellectual prowess would not have decreased. The only way that could occur is if carriers decided not to have children if they tested positive.

(I'm basing my reasoning on a decription of the screening process here):

http://www.brooksidepress.org/Products/Military_OBGYN/Lab/TaySachs.htm

[Intellectual]

Low IQ in Jews is due to defective genes.

"We have direct evidence of recessive genes for low IQ from studies of inbreeding"

The structure & measurement of intelligence
by Hans Jürgen Eysenck, David W. Fulker. 2007 - Psychology

http://books.google.com/books?id=bNfuX26mSsAC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=defective+genes+and+low+IQ&source=bl&ots=WiTqEWHtRQ&sig=NvJKOtb1fL1t-BxSsnkCYQF91gM&hl=en&ei=SBEySr7cM6PksgPc66j0Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6

The inbreeding of Jews has caused both their defective genes and their low IQ.

Inbreeding > defective genes of Jews > Low IQ > criminal actions.

I hate to rain on the Jew Supremacy parade.

[New Scientist]

if IQ test was based on basic cognitive factors such as memory retention and sensory response speeds that screen out cultural bias and motivational factors we would have a clear understanding of who had what faculties.

[Bulan]

The Finnish Mensa group of Finns is higher than the Israeli Mensa group.

Backman (1972) tests the Ashkenazi IQ to be 105.
German IQ today is 107, that's the average car-repair, beer drinking German.

So I'm not sure where you are basing your fantasy of "abnormally high intelligence of Jews is limited to the Ashkenazim." when they test at the average level.

Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis by Dr. Richard Lynn

Explain then why wikipedia show the largest IQ test samples of Ashkenazi to be only an average median of 105.

Look at the tests on that wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

According to wikipedia listed IQ tests of Ashkenazi, the largest and most statistically accurate tests show an IQ between 103 and 107.



It's so much easier the Jew thinks to say they are of a higher IQ, than to actually prove it. That places the brightest of the Jews, the Ashkenazi below that of beer drinking and shouting Germans.

I think we've had the myth of "superior" intelligence of the Jew for far too long. It's time we look at the actual studies and use the largest test samples.

Low intelligence leads to insanity and inability to make decisions.

I don't know that I would say it places the brightest of the Jews below that of the beer drinking and shouting Germans. You are talking about averages here, and furthermore you are comparing an average from 1972 to an average of today...and citing a difference of 2 points?


In any case, I don't know much about it really, nor do I claim it to be absolute truth. I only know that I've read it (wiki and elsewhere), and was under the impression that studies had been done showing it to be true.
I am certainly not a geneticist, and don't know the answers to this other than what I've read on the web.
I have read that Finns and other North Europeans tend to also be very intelligent though.

[Opus131]

German IQ today is 107

Source? Whites are a very diverse group racially and Germany seems to be the ultimate melting pot in European biological variation. I really doubt their collective IQ would be so high.

[BlackTruth]

Ashkenazis are Europeans, and it's not racist to say that Whites are smarter than Blacks since it's a fact.


It's not a fact unless you can prove it. We are the fathers and mothers of music,science,law,government,mathematics,morality and ethics. We are the fathers and mothers of the disciplines of the world but now the history books and the textbooks that the white man has put out their all are lying.

[BlackTruth]

If anything Blacks are genetically superior according to this study

"An experiment by Tizard and colleagues compared black and white orphans who had all been raised in the same highly enriched institutional environment. At four or five years of age, white children had IQs of 103, black children had IQs of 108, and children of mixed race had IQs of 106."

[Ahknaton]

If anything Blacks are genetically superior according to this study
"An experiment by Tizard and colleagues compared black and white orphans who had all been raised in the same highly enriched institutional environment. At four or five years of age, white children had IQs of 103, black children had IQs of 108, and children of mixed race had IQs of 106."
That study does suggest that Black 4-year-olds are smarter than White 4-year-olds, but that could just mean that Black children mature faster. Blacks also go through puberty earlier on average. What counts is average IQ at maturity in adulthood.

[BlackTruth]

That study does suggest that Black 4-year-olds are smarter than White 4-year-olds, but that could just mean that Black children mature faster. Blacks also go through puberty earlier on average. What counts is average IQ at maturity in adulthood.



http://www.africaresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=528:race-intelligence-and-iq-are-blacks-smarter-than-whites&catid=105:genetics&Itemid=360

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !

[leondegrance]

We are the fathers and mothers of music,science,law,government,mathematics,morality and ethics.

Pfft. All you people do is take up prison space and soak up social services.

[Schizo]

That study does suggest that Black 4-year-olds are smarter than White 4-year-olds, but that could just mean that Black children mature faster. Blacks also go through puberty earlier on average. What counts is average IQ at maturity in adulthood.
blacks mature earlier, just like apes mature earlier than humans...

[BlackTruth]

blacks mature earlier, just like apes mature earlier than humans...



Well if you are trying to dehumanize blacks by that retarded statement you do know women mature faster than men ?

[BlackTruth]

Pfft. All you people do is take up prison space and soak up social services.


You make fun of YOUR slaves whom YOU have taught and trained but we are YOUR product.

Also

http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-2037-report-criminal-justice-system-unfair-to-black-youth.html
Report: Criminal justice system unfair to Black youth

A report released by a non-profit organization concluded that Black and white youth have been treated differently by the criminal justice system over the years, and the mistreatment continues today.

[Crowley]

You make fun of YOUR slaves whom YOU have taught and trained but we are YOUR product.




You'll understand when you get a little older that Blacks are just what they are, not a hell of a lot can be done about them, other than deportation.

[BlackTruth]

You'll understand when you get a little older that Blacks are just what they are, not a hell of a lot can be done about them, other than deportation.
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[Crowley]

When you get older you too will strive to not live in Black neighborhoods. And you will institute a lawsuit against any person who stands in the way of your not living around your own people. You are the only race which goes to court for the freedom to escape their own people. Whereas Chinese people say, "Chinatown? Hell yeah!"

[Schizo]

Well if you are trying to dehumanize blacks by that retarded statement you do know women mature faster than men ?
Yes, and woman are less intelligent than men :rofl:
On a more serious note I'm not trying to dehumanize negroes since I know that mongoloids mature later than caucasoids. That fact alone doesn't make them more human than us.

[Brechun]

The Finnish Mensa group of Finns is higher than the Israeli Mensa group.

Proof of this? If that were true, wouldn't that possibility be reflective of other factors such as the predominance of the Mensa organization in Israel, or simply the relatively low number of Ashkenazi Jews in Israel?

Low intelligence leads to insanity and inability to make decisions.

Low IQ has nothing to do with insanity, and low IQ is very lightly correlated with criminality and the like.

Does genetic screening actually reduce the overall prevalence of the gene though, or just the number of people with two copies? Since individuals with Tay Sachs do not themselves have children since it is fatal in infancy I don't see how the prevalence of the allele is decreased by screening, therefore Jewish intellectual prowess would not have decreased. The only way that could occur is if carriers decided not to have children if they tested positive.

(I'm basing my reasoning on a decription of the screening process here):

http://www.brooksidepress.org/Produc...b/TaySachs.htm

Oh, damn. You're probably right, I completely overlooked that. Good call.

This still doesn't change how there's been barely any evidence so far for these alleles contributing to Jewish IQ.

Low IQ in Jews is due to defective genes.

Inbreeding has been known for ages- well, probably since the dawn of humanity- to lower intelligence. Greater outbreeding reduces this, however, and dissipates completely within a few generations. This is normal for innumerable organisms across this planet, and it's something pretty much every human population group has gone through.

"We have direct evidence of recessive genes for low IQ from studies of inbreeding"

The structure & measurement of intelligence
by Hans Jürgen Eysenck, David W. Fulker. 2007 - Psychology

http://books.google.com/books?id=bNf...esult&resnum=6

Again, nothing new.

The inbreeding of Jews has caused both their defective genes

It's been known for ages their inbreeding has caused their higher prevalence of neurological disorders. But.... that's also what causes negative traits to become more prevalent within a population for, well, virtually every other human population.

and their low IQ.

Your crude attempts to project their IQ at much lower than what it is- at still a rather high average of 103-107- isn't a low IQ.

Inbreeding > defective genes of Jews > Low IQ > criminal actions.

Low IQ is minutely correlated with criminality.

I hate to rain on the Jew Supremacy parade.

But I'm sure you love to paint jews as inferior genetic defects.

[Brechun]

Yes, and woman are less intelligent than men :rofl:
On a more serious note I'm not trying to dehumanize negroes since I know that mongoloids mature later than caucasoids. That fact alone doesn't make them more human than us.

All the different speeds of maturation have varying heritabilities, and aren't some fixed trait like some of you seem to believe. Besides, they're sometimes correlated with IQ- very slow maturation, IE, failure to obtain developmental milestones in normal timeframes, is often correlated with low IQ's, though this falls outside of the slower maturation of east asians.

And, sometimes faster attainment of developmental milestones can be correlated with higher IQ's, due to the child being able to process and take in information much more quickly.

In normal variation of developmental milestones, though, they all have little to do with IQ most of the time.