Petr
03-22-2006, 08:57 PM
(I decided to turn this into a thread of its own)
Louis Farrakhan says:
"And the Christian right, with your blindness to that wicked state of Israel ... can that be the holy land, and you have gay parades, and want to permit to have a gay parade in Jerusalem when no prophet ever sanctioned that behavior.
How can that be the Israel, how can that be Jerusalem with secular people running the holy land when it should be the holy people running the holy land. That land is gonna be cleansed with blood."
Pro-Israel evangelicals should actually take this message seriously. What an embarrassment for us to have a cultist like Farrakhan do the prophesying that Christians should be doing themselves.
I'd like to point out that this uncritically pro-Israel attitude, Zionism masquerading as Christianity, that dispensationalists have made notorious during the last few decades, is a very recent phenomenon even among Protestants.
Far from "praying for the peace of Jerusalem," the early Christian church actually saw the Great Jewish War (66-70 AD, where the Romans killed 1,1 million Jews according to Josephus), as God's righteous judgment on an apostate people.
The early Christian church fathers did not believe that the "holocaust" that the Jews had gone through at the hands of the Romans in 66-70 AD and again during the Bar-Kokhba rebellion in 130-135 AD (where 580,000 Jews fell in battles alone, and many more on famine or pestilence according to Dio Cassius), had in any way sanctified the dispersed remnant, making them holy "survivors" - on the contrary, it was seen as God's clearly foretold and just judgment on a people who had rejected the Gospel of true living God.
For example:
http://www.bible.ca/H-Mt-24-destruction-jerusalem-70AD.htm
200AD Hippolytus of Rome (On the Significance of A.D.70) 30. Come, then, O blessed Isaiah; arise, tell us clearly what thou didst prophesy with respect to the mighty Babylon. For thou didst speak also of Jerusalem, and thy word is accomplished. For thou didst speak boldly and openly: "Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire; your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate as overthrown by many strangers. The daughter of Sion shall be left as a cottage in a vineyard, and as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city." … What then? Are not these things come to pass? Are not the things announced by thee fulfilled? Is not their country, Judea, desolate? Is not the holy place burned with fire? Are not their walls cast down? Are not their cities destroyed? Their land, do not strangers devour it? Do not the Romans rule the country? And indeed these impious people hated thee, and did saw thee asunder, and they crucified Christ. Thou art dead in the world, but thou livest in Christ." (Fragments of Dogmatic and Historical Works, 30)
150AD Justin Martyr Chap. Xlvii.--Desolation Of Judaea Foretold. That the land of the Jews, then, was to be laid waste, hear what was said by the Spirit of prophecy. And the words were spoken as if from the person of the people wondering at what had happened. They are these: "Sion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. The house of our sanctuary has become a curse, and the glory which our fathers blessed is burned up with fire, and all its glorious things are laid waste: and Thou refrainest Thyself at these things, and hast held Thy peace, and hast humbled us very sore."(6) And ye are convinced that Jerusalem has been laid waste, as was predicted. And concerning its desolation, and that no one should be permitted to inhabit it, there was the following prophecy by Isaiah: "Their land is desolate, their enemies consume it before them, and none of them shall dwell therein."(7) And that it is guarded by you lest any one dwell in it, and that death is decreed against a Jew apprehended entering it, you know very well.(First Apology, Ch. 47.)
And I'd like to point out that these anti-Judaic polemics were not just because the church fathers wanted to suck up to Roman authorities. A man like Justin Martyr was not afraid to warn the emperor of Rome himself that he would face the wrath of God should he persecute Christians:
"And if these things seem to you to be reasonable and true, honour them; but if they seem nonsensical, despise them as nonsense, and do not decree death against those who have done no wrong, as you would against enemies. For we forewarn you, that you shall not escape the coming judgment of God, if you continue in your injustice; and we ourselves will invite you to do that which is pleasing to God."
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html
Petr
Louis Farrakhan says:
"And the Christian right, with your blindness to that wicked state of Israel ... can that be the holy land, and you have gay parades, and want to permit to have a gay parade in Jerusalem when no prophet ever sanctioned that behavior.
How can that be the Israel, how can that be Jerusalem with secular people running the holy land when it should be the holy people running the holy land. That land is gonna be cleansed with blood."
Pro-Israel evangelicals should actually take this message seriously. What an embarrassment for us to have a cultist like Farrakhan do the prophesying that Christians should be doing themselves.
I'd like to point out that this uncritically pro-Israel attitude, Zionism masquerading as Christianity, that dispensationalists have made notorious during the last few decades, is a very recent phenomenon even among Protestants.
Far from "praying for the peace of Jerusalem," the early Christian church actually saw the Great Jewish War (66-70 AD, where the Romans killed 1,1 million Jews according to Josephus), as God's righteous judgment on an apostate people.
The early Christian church fathers did not believe that the "holocaust" that the Jews had gone through at the hands of the Romans in 66-70 AD and again during the Bar-Kokhba rebellion in 130-135 AD (where 580,000 Jews fell in battles alone, and many more on famine or pestilence according to Dio Cassius), had in any way sanctified the dispersed remnant, making them holy "survivors" - on the contrary, it was seen as God's clearly foretold and just judgment on a people who had rejected the Gospel of true living God.
For example:
http://www.bible.ca/H-Mt-24-destruction-jerusalem-70AD.htm
200AD Hippolytus of Rome (On the Significance of A.D.70) 30. Come, then, O blessed Isaiah; arise, tell us clearly what thou didst prophesy with respect to the mighty Babylon. For thou didst speak also of Jerusalem, and thy word is accomplished. For thou didst speak boldly and openly: "Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire; your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate as overthrown by many strangers. The daughter of Sion shall be left as a cottage in a vineyard, and as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city." … What then? Are not these things come to pass? Are not the things announced by thee fulfilled? Is not their country, Judea, desolate? Is not the holy place burned with fire? Are not their walls cast down? Are not their cities destroyed? Their land, do not strangers devour it? Do not the Romans rule the country? And indeed these impious people hated thee, and did saw thee asunder, and they crucified Christ. Thou art dead in the world, but thou livest in Christ." (Fragments of Dogmatic and Historical Works, 30)
150AD Justin Martyr Chap. Xlvii.--Desolation Of Judaea Foretold. That the land of the Jews, then, was to be laid waste, hear what was said by the Spirit of prophecy. And the words were spoken as if from the person of the people wondering at what had happened. They are these: "Sion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. The house of our sanctuary has become a curse, and the glory which our fathers blessed is burned up with fire, and all its glorious things are laid waste: and Thou refrainest Thyself at these things, and hast held Thy peace, and hast humbled us very sore."(6) And ye are convinced that Jerusalem has been laid waste, as was predicted. And concerning its desolation, and that no one should be permitted to inhabit it, there was the following prophecy by Isaiah: "Their land is desolate, their enemies consume it before them, and none of them shall dwell therein."(7) And that it is guarded by you lest any one dwell in it, and that death is decreed against a Jew apprehended entering it, you know very well.(First Apology, Ch. 47.)
And I'd like to point out that these anti-Judaic polemics were not just because the church fathers wanted to suck up to Roman authorities. A man like Justin Martyr was not afraid to warn the emperor of Rome himself that he would face the wrath of God should he persecute Christians:
"And if these things seem to you to be reasonable and true, honour them; but if they seem nonsensical, despise them as nonsense, and do not decree death against those who have done no wrong, as you would against enemies. For we forewarn you, that you shall not escape the coming judgment of God, if you continue in your injustice; and we ourselves will invite you to do that which is pleasing to God."
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html
Petr