Croatia's ruling party criticizes gay partnerships

[Watzy]

Croatia's ruling party criticizes gay partnerships

03/17/2006

Croatian ruling party lawmakers on Friday criticized an opposition draft bill proposing that gay couples be entitled to register their partnerships, insisting that homosexual relations were against God and nature. The heated debate during which several lawmakers made openly hostile comments about gays indicated that the bill, drafted by two lawmakers from the left-center parties, will certainly be rejected by the chamber, where the ruling party controls majority.

"The whole universe is heterosexual, from an atom to a fly and an elephant," argued Lucija Cikes, a parliament deputy from the conservative governing Croatian Democratic Union, or HDZ. The government had already recommended that parliament reject the bill, and it expected to do so. Several smaller conservative parties also said they would vote against it, making it impossible for the bill to win the necessary 76 votes in the 151-seat chamber.

Croats "are Catholics, and, as such, against homosexual couples," said Karmela Caparin, another ruling party deputy. Homosexuality remains taboo in Croatia , where nearly 90 percent of its 4.5 million people consider themselves Roman Catholics.

Even though attitudes have relaxed somewhat in recent years, many homosexuals still are intimidated and face violence. Earlier this month, several people were beaten up by a group that broke into a gay party. The two lawmakers who drafted the bill independent deputy Ivo Banac and Sime Lucin from the Social Democrats, the main opposition party insisted that same-sex couples are discriminated against in Croatia . They proposed that the gay couples be granted the right to register their partnerships, although not officially marry. Under the draft bill, they would be given the same health, social security, tax, pension and inheritance rights as heterosexual couples.

In Europe , a few countries have so far allowed same-sex couples to register their partnerships, such as Britain , the Netherlands , Spain , Belgium and Slovenia . A similar law was vetoed by the president in the Czech Republic , reports the AP.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/17-03-2006/77460-gay%20partnerships-0

[Watzy]

@Kid Kash

How do you feel about the failure of your party to desecrate the institution of marriage? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-034.gif

[Donny the Punk]

I was under the impression that the Dalmation Coast was the gay world's hot international destination spot. :p

[Jebivjetar]

Try holding your boyfriend's hand while walking through Zagreb in night. ;)

[Donny the Punk]

I'm trying to find an article I read on this at least a year ago, but in the meantime, here's a review of Croatia that gives it four out of five pink stars. :p

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/gt/listings.asp?action=ShowCountry&CID=308

"Croatian LGBT organisations are well-organised and annual events such as the Zagreb Pride and Queer Zagreb, which is the largest festival of its kind in East and Central Europe, has been organised in the capital since 2001.[...] Croatia has more than a thousand islands including lots of gay (nudist) beaches and is a popular European holiday destination. The gay scene in Zagreb is small but developing year by year. There are a number of gay clubs, bars, saunas and video-stores in Zagreb. In tourist-resorts however there is no gay scene as such but there are known cruising grounds where gays meet."

:D

[Jebivjetar]

In a meantime try to find news how private gay party was ruined by Zagreb hooligans just few weeks ago. :D

[Slavic Enforcer]

@Kid Kash

How do you feel about the failure of your party to desecrate the institution of marriage? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-034.gif

I sympathize with the Social Democrats (at least the real ones amongst them), but I don't agree with everything that some of them suggest.

[Zrinski]

I was under the impression that the Dalmation Coast was the gay world's hot international destination spot. :p

You were under wrong impression.

[Watzy]

I sympathize with the Social Democrats (at least the real ones amongst them), but I don't agree with everything that some of them suggest.

'Social-Democrats' (ex Titoists) in Croatia are traditionally allied with small but influential societies of faggots, feminists, liberals and national and racial minorities (especially Serbs and Gypsies). The uniting factor is the hostility against Croatian nationalism and the Catholic Church.

EU shall crumble one day and than we shall have to re-socialize these anti-Croat sorts.

[Slavic Enforcer]

'Social-Democrats' (ex Titoists) in Croatia are traditionally allied with small but influential societies of faggots, feminists, liberals and national and racial minorities (especially Serbs and Gypsies).

:nono:

Homosexuality, feminism and political liberalism were strongly forbidden in Tito's Reich.

These Social Democrats you mean are Neo-Liberals actually.

[Watzy]

Homosexuality,

Supported in free Croatia by the same people, ex-pillars of Tito's regime who were opposed to it in Yugoslavia. All in purpose to sabotaging Croatian state and poisoning Croatian society.

feminism and political liberalism were strongly forbidden in Tito's Reich.

Red feminism and Third World immigration was encouraged by the communist state.

These Social Democrats you mean are Neo-Liberals.

Sure, since liberalism and national/racial/sexual minority protection is the only tool against the Croatian nation they have.

Actually this is a phenomenon of the entire post-communist Europe, not only Croatia. Ex-commies turned into liberals over night and allayed them selves with western liberals, since USSR cannot help them any longer. In Croatia Belgrade cannot help them any longer so they turned to the liberal EU.

[Slavic Enforcer]

As if only former Communists want Croatia to be member of the European Union.

I'd say more than half of the Croatian population wants that.

[Watzy]

As if only former Communists want Croatia to be member of the European Union.

They want more than that - the want Croatia to become a liberal avantgarde of EU. They already attempted to de-crimilalize light drug users (since their leader is a pothead himself), and now they are coming out with gay rights.

I'd say more than half of the Croatian population wants that.

According to all recent public pools the support is below 50%. The only country in Europe as Euro-skeptic as Croatia is GB.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

According to all recent public pools the support is below 50%. The only country in Europe as Euro-skeptic as Croatia is GB.

Thank God for that!

[Vindex]

Best way to deal with the gay problem is to give them freedom and let nature do its thing.

[Zrinski]

According to all recent public pools the support is below 50%. The only country in Europe as Euro-skeptic as Croatia is GB.

AFAIK the last time I looked at these polls a month ago(or so...) there was about 35-40% those for the EU and about 47% against EU. About 11% was undecided and some small percantage said they don't care.

[Ace Rimmer]

Best way to deal with the gay problem is to give them freedom and let nature do its thing.

By assumption that homosexuality is inherited.

[Slavic Enforcer]

You people don't want Croatia to become member of the EU?

Do we need to play the "outsider"? What if one day all our neighbours are EU members, and Croatia is not?

I don't think that would be advantageous for Croatia.

[Zrinski]

What if one day all our neighbours are EU members, and Croatia is not?


Think Switzerland, think Norway, etc...

[Slavic Enforcer]

Think Switzerland, think Norway, etc...

OK but these countries are in a much better state than we are at the moment.

You just have to take a look at our (corrupt) judiciary where a guy who's suspected of having raped a Muslim girl during the war is one of the biggest shots.

[Watzy]

You people don't want Croatia to become member of the EU?

Do we need to play the "outsider"? What if one day all our neighbours are EU members, and Croatia is not?

I don't think that would be advantageous for Croatia.

WE (our ethnic structure, our working places, our education system ect.) shall be in even greater jeopardy if we enter along with Serbia, Bosnia and other eastern neighbors. It means there shall be no firm borders between us, Muslims and your Serb brothers (not to mention).

EU is not a military pact, so the notion about ending up 'surrounded' is meaningless. Also there's nothing EU has or is willing to offer to our country - except diminishing independence and turning us into a colony, a source (and a target) of a cheep labor ... what kind of a 'socialist' are you goddamn it!?!? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-054.gif

NATO is another thing. We can enter into NATO along with Serbia and we shall loose nothing. With NATO entrance we only re-affirm ties with our American and German partners, while Serbia can possibly loose the affection of it's big brother Russia by participating in the opposite camp.

[Slavic Enforcer]

diminishing independence and turning us into a colony, a source (and a target) of a cheep labor ... what kind of a 'socialist' are you goddamn it!?!? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-054.gif


What kind of a ustasa are you if you are against it?

[Zrinski]

OK but these countries are in a much better state than we are at the moment.

Yes? Do you think one Norway for example was what it was before? Croatia has resources to make it on it's own. The propaganda that we will go down if we don't join the EU is prescribed by those same people...in other words by the EU itself.


You just have to take a look at our (corrupt) judiciary where a guy who's suspected of having raped a Muslim girl during the war is one of the biggest shots.

The fact that Croatia needs to clean itself up is a fact, but we can do it and advance without joining the EU masonic club. Trust me.

[Watzy]

What kind of a ustasa are you if you are against it??

A good one. Ustasha party (HOP - established by Pavelic himself) is against EU entrance. Far-rightist Ivic Pasalic is against it as well. And since you are a spy on the Ustasha forum (Crna Legija) ask the others how do they feel about EU entrance, they'll tell you the same as I do.

Face it, you are a fake commie! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-034.gif

You only wish for Croatia to enter because you know EU stands for third Yugoslavia where your Serb brothers shall play the role of the first violin. ;)

[Slavic Enforcer]

You only wish for Croatia to enter because you know EU stands for third Yugoslavia where your Serb brothers play the role of the first violin. ;)

That comes from a person that says Croats can join the military alliance NATO together with Serbs (and possibly fight shoulder to shoulder with them on other continents), but not a pure economic community like the EU.

[Watzy]

That comes from a person that says Croats can join the military alliance NATO together with Serbs (and possibly fight shoulder to shoulder with them on other continents), but not a pure economic community like the EU.

The word of Serbia inside NATO is nothing - a zero! While Belgrade is still regarded as the non-official capital of the unwanted 'region' by EU.

If you wish to live under Belgrade, than move into Serbia...but you cannot because your thirst for Croat money and life standard is stronger than your Yugo-patriotism! :p

[Slavic Enforcer]

All relevant parties in Croatia support Croatia's membership.

I don't think that we need to debate about something that will happen anyway.

Greetings!

[Watzy]

All relevant parties in Croatia support Croatia's membership.

Merelly because all 'relevant' parties own their election results to the external EU support.

I don't think that we need to debate about something that will happen anyway.

Greetings!

Merely because all 'relevant' parties own their election results to the external EU support.

The final word belongs to the plebiscite of the Croat folk, not the lackey politicians and Serb moles.

FOR HOME READY !

[Bartholomew Roberts]

KidKash - Back in the 1960s Singapoore was a swamp with a few bamboo huts on it and it had just won its independence from Malaysia. Today Singapoore is one of the wealthiest and most developed nations in the world.

Taiwan is a country which most states do not even recognise yet it is a tiger economy.

Our sentiments are that we have nothing against any European associations existing outside Croatia's borders, but neither do we have any cultural inferiority complexes that force us to think that Croatia must join the EU to 'survive'. There are many intelligent people in Croatia with potential and knowledge to craft a new economy and judiciary. Even you are amongst them - I see no reason why you or any other Croatian would have less ability then a peseant from Singapoore in 1965, or a Taiwanese.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Taiwan became such an economic miracle because the Americans did feed them with many millions of $.
Many states have reasons to kiss the American ass, Germany is one of them.
Their "Wirtschaftswunder" had his roots in the Marshal-Plan.

But today the situation is different, there's no real "Communist Danger" anymore, and the EU is the new chance.

I did never say that Croatia has a cultural inferiority complex or anything like that (why should it?), but I would say that Croatia would profit by the EU, that a membership would accelerate our development. The most companies are in Non-Croatian hands anyway, so why shouldn't we join a club that makes us 1st class Europeans in the eyes of the world?

I live in Germany and I see the difference between the behaviour of German authorities towards Europeans from EU countries (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks) and towards those from Non-EU countries. The 1st ones have much more rights.

OK, either way Croats are the most popular foreigners here, but it would simply make some things easier for us. In Croatia as well as abroad.