War on Christians conference

[Starr]

WASHINGTON, March 9 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The War On Christians And The Values Voter in 2006 Conference (March 27-28 at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, D.C.) will be unique in many ways. It will be the first conference to cover every aspect of the cultural war on Christians -- including attacks by Hollywood, the news media, gay activist and leftist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Prominently featured will be a panel discussion titled Christian Persecution: Reports From The Frontlines, which will hear from those who've experienced anti-Christian bias first- hand. The following will offer personal testimony of the War On Christians:

-- Lloyd Marcus: An African-American artist who initially had his paintings censored from a City Hall display in Deltona, Fla. The exhibit was in honor of Black History Month. Marcus' paintings were rejected because they included scenes of celebration at a church. After a Christian legal action group threatened to sue, the city reversed its decision.

-- Pastor Tom Crouse: Was charged $6,200 for extra police protection at a private meeting in Worcester, Mass. on coming out of the gay life-style. Both the mayor and city human rights commission condemned the event. The costs were assessed to stifle Pastor Crouse's First Amendment rights.

-- Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt: A Navy chaplain who was almost discharged for saying public prayers in Jesus name. Chaplain Klingenschmitt held a 12-day fast in front of the White House to secure the administration's intervention in his case.

-- Michael Margrave: Was one of a group of Christians -- part of Repent America -- arrested for peacefully praying at a Philadelphia "Outfest" in 2004. Even though they followed all police directives (while being harassed by homosexual militants) the City wanted to prosecute them on several felony counts. If convicted, each could have been sentenced to up to 47 years in prison. The charges were eventually dismissed

Increasingly, the word is going out that there's no place for Christian involvement in our public life -- and that Christians will be penalized for expressing views which aren't politically correct. The conference will confront this disturbing phenomenon head-on.

Keynote speakers at the conference include: Sen. John Cornyn, Sen. Sam Brownback, Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, Rep. Tom DeLay, Phyllis Schlafly and Vision America President Dr. Rick Scarborough.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=62080

[Jofreidr_1488]

Excuse me while I get a barf bag!

Right now I can turn on the radio and listen to judeo-christian talk shows, turn on the tv and I guarantee that on ABC family or something or other and there will be a televangelist on hawking prayer napkins or begging for contributions. The fact of the matter is that judeo-christianity is firmly ensconced in the halls of power and that these cries of persecution prove that judeo-christians are very similar to the jews when it comes to whinning.

Increasingly, the word is going out that there's no place for Christian involvement in our public life -- and that Christians will be penalized for expressing views which aren't politically correct.

Are there going to be some 'old-time' judeo-christians like Billy James Hargis calling for a return to racial segregation?

How about an end to having inter-racial couples married in Churches?

Seems to me its the judeo-christians themselves that are the most politically correct.

[Jimbo Gomez]

If you really think political correctness only has an effect on race relations and on nothing else, you may be a bigger oaf than I suspected you are jof. Wether you like Christianity or not, if you can't notice how a certain class of people attack it every time they can, you're blind.

[WFHermans]

Thanks for posting this. I am gathering material for a thread about the 30 million American protestants that have disappeared in the last ten years. It seems the perpetrators are very openly admitting their holocaust.

[Starr]

It is about time that they look into organizations like the ADL here, now if they would just dig a little further. I won't hold my breath.

Alan Keyes

The uncle tom of uncle toms
I don't completely dislike this negro, though. I would hope his trip back to Africa goes well.

[Vindex]

A more important issue the christian war on the Aryan Race. Fuck jeboo and the stick he rode in on.

[Lenny]

A more important issue the christian war on the Aryan Race. Fuck jeboo and the stick he rode in on.Dont you see that as Christianity goes in Europe, so go the European people? If Islam becomes the majority religion then the Europeans (whites) will have lost big. Any success for Christianity in Europe benefits whites, any failure hurts whites

Same in this country--as Protestantism goes, so go the American people. If Catholicism becomes the majority religion, as it looks like it will this century due to immigration (:mad:), then the American people will have lost big.

[Vindex]

The churches are some of the biggest importors and supports of the groid invasion.

Dont you see that as Christianity goes in Europe, so go the European people? If Islam becomes the majority religion then the Europeans (whites) will have lost big. Any success for Christianity in Europe benefits whites, any failure hurts whites

Same in this country--as Protestantism goes, so go the American people. If Catholicism becomes the majority religion, as it looks like it will this century due to immigration (:mad:), then the American people will have lost big.

[Lenny]

The churches are some of the biggest importors and supports of the groid invasion.If Christianity is the enemy because some churches support non-white immigration, then whites are the enemy too because some whites support non-white immigration. If whites are the enemy too, then what exactly are you fighting for?

The Catholic Church is definitely guilty of what you wrote there, but when it comes down to it the Catholic Church is basically an anti-American, subversive, crooked political organization that practices religion on the side. Catholic Church does not equal All Christianity

[Vindex]

Yes whites are the number one enemy of the White race. The White race is the problem and the solution. Some? More like more most, and they are bringing them in the millions. I hate all christ-insanity equally.

The White race does not need advice on life and the afterlife from a disgusting jew rabbi maggot nailed to a stick.

If Christianity is the enemy because some churches support non-white immigration, then whites are the enemy too because some whites support non-white immigration. If whites are the enemy too, then what exactly are you fighting for?

The Catholic Church is definitely guilty of what you wrote there, but when it comes down to it the Catholic Church is basically an anti-American, subversive, crooked political organization that practices religion on the side. Catholic Church does not equal All Christianity

[Felix the Cat]

The Media's War on the "War on Christians" Conference (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21871)

Last week (March 27-28), Vision America convened a War On Christians conference in Washington, D.C. It was the first to address escalating attacks on Christians from Hollywood, the news media, academia, the courts, and activist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Speakers included scholars, authors, clergy (among them an Orthodox rabbi), lawyers and members of Congress. Delegates came from as far away as South Africa. I was the conference coordinator, as well as a speaker on two panels ("Jews Confront the War On Christians" and "Hollywood: Christians Through a Distorted Lens").

You will be shocked – shocked! – to learn that the mainstream media did its best to trivialize and marginalize the conference: to present a thoughtful examination of the rising tide of anti-Christian bias and persecution as the work of hysterical, paranoid whack-jobs who are manufacturing a crisis to generate donations and mobilize Republican votes.


An alleged news story in The Washington Post, (March 29th) by Alan Cooperman, was headlined "’War’ on Christians Is Alleged." Try to imagine the Post covering the 2005 conference Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right and headlining its story "Coming ‘Theocracy’ Alleged."


Cooperman misidentified Dr. Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America (the conference host) as a "radio commentator." You know, one of those guys who screams at you over the airwaves. In fact, besides being the head of a growing national movement, Scarborough is a Baptist minister, an author and an acclaimed speaker.


Cooperman included extensive quotes attacking the conference – SOP for reportage on conservative events. A professor of social ethics charged that the meeting was "a spoiled brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position." A mainline Protestant cleric claimed that by calling attention to the war on Christians in the U.S., the conference "disrespects the experience of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith."


This theme dominated news "coverage" – Christians are so powerful that it’s absurd to claim they’re persecuted. Thus, a commentary in USA Today (March 28th) by Tom Krattenmaker (who called the conference’s theme "overblown" and reckless): "We are in the second term of the most faith-friendly, explicitly Christian presidency in many a decade….Hollywood is producing more Christian-friendly movies [like The DaVinci Code? – DF] while Christian news media, Christian music, Christian novels and other forms of Christian pop culture continue making their strong mark on society." I’m only surprised Krattenmaker didn’t cite the presence of "In God We Trust" on our currency to refute claims of Christian persecution.


Apparently, a majority of Americans are equally hysterical, reckless and disrespectful of real persecution. According to a FOX News poll taken in December 2005, 59 percent of the American people agreed with conference organizers that "Christianity is under attack" in the U.S. today.

In reality, you have to be dogmatic, blind and biased – which pretty much describes the mainstream media – to miss the obvious here.

V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. It’s set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.


The latest literary hatchet-job by Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) claims our civilization will be undone by (among other things) a "milieu of radicalized (and much too influential) religion." With the faithful fighting to keep "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (and the teaching of Creationism recently banned by a federal judge lest students be inspired to meditate on the "G" word), Phillips’ charge that religion is much too influential in America should provoke peals of uproarious laughter. "American Theocracy" just made it on The New York Times Bestsellers list – further evidence of the formidable power of radicalized religion.


In California, an employer can be fined $150,000 (that’s not a typo) for firing a man who comes to work in a dress. Believe it or not, the law wasn’t intended to target secular humanists.


Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate sexual-diversity sign posted by the company. Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.


At colleges across the country, Christian groups have lost their accreditation for refusing to accept homosexuals as officers. Thus, at schools founded by Christians and endowed by Christians – Christians are forced to choose between their conscience and the ability to hold meetings on campus.


In the New York City public school system, Moslem crescents and menorahs are displayed during certain holidays, but not Christmas trees or crèches. Incredibly, school officials have decided that the former are non-religious (try telling that to bin Laden) but the latter strictly sectarian.


Recently, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a unanimous resolution attacking the Catholic Church for teaching that children should be placed for adoption with mothers and fathers. The resolution called this "hateful and discriminatory."


Last weekend, the Christian youth group Teen Mania held a two-day revival for 25,000 kids in the city that inspired the moniker San Francisco Democrats. Supervisors labeled this "an act of provocation," while State Assemblyman Mark Leno called it a "fascist mega-pep rally."


Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADL’s Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).


And, in Philadelphia not quite two years ago, a group of Christians with Repent America were arrested for holding signs and quietly praying at a city-sponsored gay pride event. Though the Christians obeyed all police orders and were accosted by militants, they were arrested and spent 20 hours in jail. The City of Brotherly Love wanted to prosecute them for a laundry list of felonies, including criminal conspiracy. If convicted, they could have faced up to 47 years in prison. (Fortunately, a reality-based judge ruled the Christians were exercising their First Amendment rights and threw out the case.) No other group in America has seen its free-speech rights attacked in similar fashion.


Granted, the foregoing doesn’t rise to the level of persecution in Afghanistan (where a man was threatened with death for converting to Christianity), Saudi Arabia (where the New Testament is contraband), or China (where the organizers of home churches are imprisoned). And, granted again, unlike Europe, Christianity is thriving in America.

But to say the presidency of George W. Bush proves the potency of conservative Christians is a real stretch.

Bush’s rep as an "explicitly Christian" president is based mostly on the 2000 campaign, wherein he referred to Jesus as his favorite philosopher. Last year, White House "Christmas" cards didn’t even mention by name the holiday celebrated by more than 90 percent of Americans. Bush invokes the Almighty no more than any of his predecessors.

Despite a GOP majority reputed to be the love-slaves of Jerry Falwell, it’s been almost two years since Congress voted a on a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Other than a ban on partial-birth abortion, the political agenda of Christian conservatives has been studiously ignored in our nation’s capital.

The news and entertainment media, public education, higher education, the judiciary and a fair number of corporations and foundations are in the hands of ideologues who despise Bible-believing Christians, and who rarely miss an opportunity to smear them, to foment hatred against them and to circumscribe their activities.

Give the National Socialists credit for candor. In 1920s Germany, if a Jew had said to a Nazi, "You hate me," the goose-steeper would have replied: "You’re right, Jew. And if we ever get a chance, we’ll kill you." He would not have accused his victim of paranoia, hysteria, disrespecting real religious persecution, and making wild allegations for fundraising purposes.

The war on Christians is real. So too is the media’s thoroughly biased coverage of same.

[Jofreidr_1488]

Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADL’s Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).

Yes even a broken clock is is right sometimes!

There are indeed powerful forces intent on judeo-christianizing the Country and returning practices such as The Inquisition, Witch Hunts and Burning at the Stack as real threats to White Pagans.

This movement to create a murderous judeo-christian theocracy is known as Dominionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism) and it should be noted that there have been calls for the creation of a "Christian Taliban" by zealous fanatics (over on the Original Dissent Forum).

[Jimbo Gomez]

It was Catholics who had the Inquisition, not protestants (and certainly not evangelicals) and not jews.

I think the Iquisition was entirely justified by the way.

[Petr]

This movement to create a murderous judeo-christian theocracy is known as Dominionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism) and it should be noted that there have been calls for the creation of a "Christian Taliban" by zealous fanatics (over on the Original Dissent Forum).
Ooh, spooky!

Quaking already in your pants? :p


Petr

[Lenny]

I think the Inquisition was entirely justified by the way.Of course you would say that :argue:

Note that Charles Martel is saying that the large-scale organized murders and tortures of millions (up to 50 million) of innocent Protestants and other opponents of Catholicism is a good thing :mad:

Note also that Charles Martel says that Roman Catholic terrorism against Protestant civilians in Ireland, especially children, is justified and a good thing

[Jimbo Gomez]

That's bullshit Lenny, where in the hell did you get that number of 50 million, which would have been the slaughter of almost every European in the 16th century?

[Petr]

Note that Charles Martel is saying that the large-scale organized murders and tortures of millions (up to 50 million) of innocent Protestants and other opponents of Catholicism is a good thing :mad:
His principle is wrong, but he is right on that 50 million is a bullshit figure.

I oppose holohoax propaganda, no matter who is doing it.


Petr

[Lenny]

That's bullshit Lenny, where in the hell did you get that number of 50 millionFrom reality http://www.albaforums.com/images/smilies/wavey.gif

which would have been the slaughter of almost every European in the 16th century?It is not only the 16th century.

His principle is wrong, but he is right on that 50 million is a bullshit figure.

I oppose holohoax propaganda, no matter who is doing it.The figure is in the tens of millions, up to 50 million.

[Petr]

The figure is in the tens of millions, up to 50 million.
Sources, please. (And I mean real sources)


Petr

[Lenny]

Sources, please. (And I mean real sources)Why are you blindly siding with and defeding the Catholic Church in such a knee-jerk way :confused: :nono:

"From the birth of popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians that more then 50 million of the human family have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than 40,000 religious martyrs for every year of the existence of popery" History of Romanism by John Dowling (http://famousamericans.net/johndowling)

[Lenny]

Where does the 50 million figure come from? (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:3B-JZFZfQxwJ:www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates2.doc)

[Petr]

Why are you blindly siding with and defeding the Catholic Church in such a knee-jerk way :confused: :nono:
Ever heard the concept of "defending truth for its own sake", as opposed to just spreading partisan propaganda?

I sincerely believe that it is a wildly, nay irresponsibly, inflated number, and probably includes all sorts of dubious categories like Moors of Spain.

"From the birth of popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians that more then 50 million of the human family have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than 40,000 religious martyrs for every year of the existence of popery" History of Romanism by John Dowling (http://famousamericans.net/johndowling)
One guy's say-so doesn't make it so.


Petr

[Lenny]

Ever heard the concept of "Defending truth fro its own sake", as opposed to just spreading partisan propaganda?The truth is that 50 million is more realistic than the Catholic claims of "40,000" over a period of centuries


One guy's say-so doesn't make it so.Good counter-argument :rolleyes: (also a pro-Catholic counter-argument)

[Petr]

Where does the 50 million figure come from? (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:3B-JZFZfQxwJ:www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates2.doc)
"5 million were killed in Spain alone in the Inquisition"... give me a break.

Can you show any other source besides this Plaisted garbage?


Petr

[Petr]

The truth is that 50 million is more realistic than the Catholic claims of "40,000" over a period of centuries
I have no doubt that all counted together, including its instigation of crusades against peoples like Italian Waldensians and Protestant Bohemians, the Roman Catholic church has been responsible for several millions of deaths, but tens of millions is way too much.


Petr

[Lenny]

Can you show any other source besides this Plaisted garbage?You did not even read the thing, you did a ctrl-f search to find exactly what you wanted to find. If you did read it you would realize that many sources were used...

Here, read just the first two paragraphs, I will copy them here:


Where does the 50 million figure come from?

David Plaisted

It is often claimed by historic Protestant writers that 50 million or more people have been killed by the Papacy. For example, Buck [Buck, Charles, A Theological Dictionary, containing Definitions of All Religious Terms; ..., Philadelphia, Thomas Cowperthwait & Co., 1838, article “Persecution”, p. 335] writes, “It has been computed that fifty millions of Protestants have at different times been the victims of the persecutions of the Papists, and put to death for their religious opinions.” However, most people today have no idea how this figure of 50 million was originally computed. Some persons today are claiming that this figure of 50 million has no basis in fact and is an exaggeration based on anti-Catholic sentiment. Therefore it is of interest to find out how this figure was originally computed in order to evaluate its reliability. This study reveals some aspects of history that are being neglected today and also gives us an insight into the extent to which the true history of religion is being lost.

There were many attempts to calculate the number killed by the Papacy. Albert Barnes, in his commentary on Revelation 11:14, states, “Calculations, more or less accurate, have been made of the numbers Popery has slain….” We give one plausible method of computation for the often quoted figure of 50 million killed by the Papacy in Europe. As a starting point, John Wesley speaks of “the whole number of victims who have been offered up in Europe since the beginning of the Reformation? Partly by war, partly by the Inquisition, and a thousand other methods of Romish cruelty? No less within forty years, if the computation of an eminent writer be just, than five and forty millions!” John Wesley, "Doctrine of Original Sin", Part I, section II.8, 1757, Wesley's Works, edited by Thomas Jackson, vol. 9, pp. 217-19. He also wrote,

Some have computed, that, from the year 1518 to 1548, fifteen million of Protestants have perished by war and the Inquisition. This may be overcharged, but certainly the number of them in these thirty years, as well as since is almost incredible. To these we may add innumerable martyrs, in ancient, middle, and late ages, in Bohemia, Germany, Holland, France, England, Ireland, and many other parts of Europe, Africa, and Asia.