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Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 09:27 PM
I'm thrilled to see Dubya, corporate executives, millions of illegal aliens, the corrupt Catholic Church, the pathetic leadership of the labor unions, anti-racists, and the most fanatical cosmopolitan liberals on one side and everyone else on the other.

MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12017855/site/newsweek/from/RSS/)

Tom Tancredo is pulling the immigration debate to the right—and away from Bush.

April 3, 2006 issue - The lights were on, the cameras were rolling, but the special guest star was nowhere to be found. Last Friday afternoon, 55 men and women from 30 countries sat in a Denver conference room, clutching small American flags as they waited to be sworn in as U.S. citizens. The 12:15 starting time had come and gone, and some people were getting impatient. "For heaven's sake," one woman said, sighing. "What is the holdup?" A few minutes later, they had the answer. Tom Tancredo, the Republican congressman, was coming to welcome the new citizens. He was hard to miss when he breezed in, 25 minutes late, dressed in a dark suit and an American-flag necktie. Even so, few in the room recognized him until one man whispered, "He's the guy who sits on the border chasing illegals."

Tancredo may not be a household name yet, but he's doing everything he can to change that. As the House and Senate debate the nation's immigration and border-security laws, the four-term Coloradan has positioned himself as the loudest, angriest voice against the estimated 11 million illegal aliens now living in the United States. They are "a scourge that threatens the very future of our nation," he says. He laments "the cult of multiculturalism," and worries about America's becoming a "Tower of Babel." If Republican presidential candidates don't put the problem atop the agenda in 2008, he says he'll run himself, just to force the front runners to talk about it. Not that he thinks he'd win the White House. He declares himself "too fat, too short and too bald" to be president. If the Republicans lose the election because he's too tough on the issue, he says, "So be it."

Not so long ago, Tancredo was regarded as little more than a noisy pest on Capitol Hill. His colleagues shook their heads at his tireless demands for crackdowns on American employers who hire illegals and his idea for a 700-mile-long fence along the Mexican border. But in recent months, some of those same Republicans have come to realize that, while Tancredo may be a crank, he is a crank with a large and passionate following. Anti-immigration sentiment has always simmered, and it flares up about once a decade—the last time it hit this level was 1996, when California Gov. Pete Wilson made it the centerpiece of his failed presidential campaign. Tancredo was one of the first politicians to tap into the latest surge of anger. In states with large numbers of undocumented workers, voters complain that poor illegals are overwhelming public schools, clogging hospital emergency rooms and bankrupting welfare budgets. And they worry that inadequate border security makes it easy for would-be terrorists to sneak into the country. Tancredo's colleagues are listening. When he arrived in Washington, he started the Immigration Reform Caucus. The group attracted just 16 members. Today, there are 91.

Tancredo's anti-immigration campaign is also brazenly, almost gleefully, taking aim at George W. Bush and Karl Rove. The president had once hoped the immigration debate would center on his proposed guest-worker program, which would allow illegals—who fill millions of unskilled, low-wage jobs—to stay in the country for a set period of time. This was Bush the pragmatist, the former border-state governor who wanted to acknowledge the importance of immigrant labor to construction, fruit farming and other chunks of the U.S. economy. "He doesn't think it's morally right that a group that has been critical to the strength of the economy is operating in the shadows," says a senior Bush aide who, following policy, spoke anonymously. Meanwhile, Rove pushed the pure political benefits of the plan: immigrant-friendly policies would help the party reach out to the fast-growing Latino vote.

Instead, the immigration debate has split the GOP, with many Republicans in the House and Senate, worried about alienating voters, openly opposing the president. In December, the House tossed aside the worker program and passed a bill that features tougher security at the Mexican border—including Tancredo's cherished fence—and crackdowns on illegals who are already here. "You can't ignore him," says a GOP leadership aide who wouldn't be named because he wanted to keep his job. "The administration doesn't want to hear this, but a lot of Americans think he's right."

In the Senate, Republicans, led by John McCain and Arlen Specter, have been working to come up with a compromise that would include border security, a guest-worker program and a way for illegal immigrants to "earn" citizenship. But Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a presidential contender with one eye on the anti-immigration vote—and the other one on outflanking McCain—has threatened to put forward his own get-tough plan this week if the senators fail to come through.

It's not just Republicans elbowing for attention. Last week Sen. Hillary Clinton whacked the GOP with the Bible, implying anti-immigration proposals were not only hardhearted, but un-Christian. The bill, she said, "would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."

Bush, forced to step up his own security rhetoric in response to the feud, is still hoping for a compromise. At an immigration meeting at the White House last week, the president said that "the debate must be done in a way that doesn't pit one group of people against another." But Florida Sen. Mel Martinez, a former Bush cabinet member who sides with the president on the issue, fears that's exactly what is happening. "Republicans have made significant gains [among Latinos]," he says, "and we're risking all of that by allowing ourselves to be positioned as anti-immigrant ... We are at great peril."

Tancredo believes there's greater danger in doing nothing. All he wants, he says, is to see the law enforced. "I don't like it when people call me a racist or xenophobe," he says. "In my heart, I know that I'm not." A 60-year-old grandson of an Italian immigrant, he grew up in a working-class family. He ran for Congress on a whim in 1998, and won by pushing immigration reform. He says he became passionate about the issue back in the 1970s, when he was a Denver junior-high-school teacher. At the time, Colorado had just passed a bilingual-education bill. He says students with Latino-sounding names were put into Spanish-language classes, even if they spoke English only. "It was ridiculous, and a total waste of time and money."

He's remained unapologetic about his views. In 2002, The Denver Post ran a human-interest story about a high-school honors student who couldn't get college financial aid because he was in the United States illegally. Tancredo tried to have the boy and his family deported. (He was unsuccessful.)

Back at the immigration ceremony, Tancredo thanked the new citizens for coming to the United States "the right way," and urged them to "cast aside loyalties to your old countries and walk with us." One lucky person walked away with more than a citizenship certificate. When he heard that a young woman from Mexico had waited more than a year for her paperwork to clear, Tancredo approached her. He apologized that he was out of the lapel pins he usually hands out. Instead, he gave her a more personal gift: his American-flag necktie. "Gracias," she said.

With Daren Briscoe and Richard Wolffe

Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 09:43 PM
More photos from the Los Angeles rally.

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ironweed
03-26-2006, 09:45 PM
You can be damn sure that if he's got a girl on the side, a thing for gambling, or a third cousin who cross-dresses its in Rove's files and Rove's smear machine is going to fly into action like we've never seen it before. There's no earthly way Tancredo will survive it, even in the unlikely event Tancredo is as pure as the driven snow. (That's when they make things up.) But I do hope his message makes it out to some extent.

BTW, where does Tancredo stand on the Iraq War? If he opposes it I'm going to switch my party affiliiation from Dem to Repub tomorrow. (CT has closed primaries, and there hasn't been a Repub primary worth voting in here in fifty years. Only reason I stay Dem at this point.)

Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 09:57 PM
Not sure. Political labels don't matter much these days.

Niko Bellic
03-26-2006, 09:59 PM
That article doesn't quite rise to the level of a hit piece on Tancredo, but it's close. Here's another one.

Senate prepares for divisive immigration debate

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate will begin this week what President George W. Bush says could be a "fractious debate" over border security, his temporary-worker proposal and measures to let some of the 12 million illegal aliens in the United States earn citizenship.

The Senate is expected to take up immigration legislation after lawmakers return from a break. They can expect to be greeted at the Capitol by dozens of clergy wearing handcuffs to protest proposals that will make it a criminal offense to help an illegal alien.

At least 200,000 mostly Hispanic demonstrators protested in Los Angeles on Saturday against the proposals, capping a series of smaller demonstrations for immigrant rights in U.S. cities this month.

The issue looms large before the November congressional elections and is playing a role in jockeying among potential 2008 presidential candidates.

Emotions run high, and Americans, including Bush's Republican party, are divided between those who favor curbing illegal immigration through tighter border security and tougher enforcement and those who say it is essential to bring illegal workers out of the shadows with a comprehensive overhaul.

"This could be a fractious debate, and I hope it's not," Bush said at a news conference last week.

Bush leaves on Wednesday for meetings in Cancun, Mexico, with Mexican President Vicente Fox, who has been disappointed by the lack of progress on a U.S. guest-worker program.

On Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she had made clear to Mexico's foreign minister that the United States expected Mexico to recognize the importance of border defense and U.S. law.

"We were assured by our counterparts that Mexico understands its responsibilities, our shared responsibility for safety and security at the border, and also for humane treatment of people, whoever they are," Rice said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Immigrant, labor and business groups are pushing comprehensive reform to give some of the illegal aliens who have been living and working in the United States for years a way to legalize their status.

"Any immigration reform has to be comprehensive and not mean-spirited," said Jaime Contreras, head of the National Capital Immigration Coalition.

VOTING POWER

Speaking at a news conference with Contreras last week, Deepak Bhargava, executive director of the Center for Community Change, said, "There are millions of immigrants who have become citizens who are deeply motivated by what is happening to their families and communities and neighbors."

"Those immigrants can be expected to vote this November in record numbers," he added. "We can expect them to help turn the tide in this anti-immigrant debate."

The Senate Judiciary Committee is rushing to craft a comprehensive immigration overhaul that would establish a temporary-worker program and provide a way for illegal immigrants in the country to legalize their status.

They are trying to meet a deadline set by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and potential presidential contender in 2008. He plans to bring up his own border-security and enforcement legislation this week if the Judiciary Committee fails to produce a compromise.

Frist's tough approach mirrors a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives. Neither includes a guest-worker program or offers a way to legalize the status of illegal workers.

Legalizing some of the 12 million undocumented workers is supported by union and business groups. Businesses also back Bush's guest-worker proposal to help fill jobs that Americans do not want or are unable to perform.

The Judiciary Committee is set to meet on Monday in hopes of completing legislation that will incorporate elements of a proposal offered by Sens. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican who has presidential ambitions.

That compromise would provide a way for some illegal aliens to legalize their status and eventually earn citizenship.

Such a bill would anger some conservatives in the House who believe it would reward people for illegal actions.

Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado joined 70 other House Republicans to oppose a comprehensive approach. In a letter to Senate Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, they said such a bill "would doom any chance" of legislation reaching the president this year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060326/ts_nm/congress_immigration_dc



I love this. This is the most high profile the immigration debate has been in my lifetime, and it's happening in a congressional election year, without an incumbent, or a vice-president in the next presidential election. If you've never sent a message to your senators or representative before, now is the time to start, because it can actually have an impact this time. Also, no matter what you think about everything else the Republican party does, or believes, register as a republican before 2008, and vote in the primary for Tancredo. I'd vote for Ted Kennedy if he was able to convince me that he would solve the immigration problem.

Heimdall
03-26-2006, 10:06 PM
If Republican presidential candidates don't put the problem atop the agenda in 2008, he says he'll run himself, just to force the front runners to talk about it. Not that he thinks he'd win the White House. He declares himself "too fat, too short and too bald" to be president. If the Republicans lose the election because he's too tough on the issue, he says, "So be it."

This is what A LOT of us have been waiting for. If he runs, the Reps can't push him aside like Buchanan in '92 and '96 (you could say Buchanan was ahead of his time), they'll have to face the issue or be proven to be Democrats-Lite. This issue is more of a concern to people with families and jobs because it directly effects their futures, unlike Iraq which is little more than a TV drama for most Americans.

The Dems will still scream about Iraq though.

But in recent months, some of those same Republicans have come to realize that, while Tancredo may be a crank, he is a crank with a large and passionate following.

Disgusting name calling, shows what side MSNBC is on. But it is predictable, MSNBC's parent company, General Electric, also has Telemundo under its umbrella. Without Mexicans, that channel would not last.

Tancredo's anti-immigration campaign is also brazenly, almost gleefully, taking aim at George W. Bush and Karl Rove.

Back at the immigration ceremony, Tancredo thanked the new citizens for coming to the United States "the right way," and urged them to "cast aside loyalties to your old countries and walk with us."

The latter contradicts the former's assertion that Tancredo is anti-immigrant. Being against illegal immigration doesn't make one anti-immigrant. Of all the immigrant groups, Mexicans are the most apt to NOT cast aside loyalties to their own countries, mainly because their old country has crossed over our border.

It's not just Republicans elbowing for attention. Last week Sen. Hillary Clinton whacked the GOP with the Bible, implying anti-immigration proposals were not only hardhearted, but un-Christian. The bill, she said, "would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."

Am I the only one that this statement didn't make any sense to?

Heimdall
03-26-2006, 10:09 PM
BTW, where does Tancredo stand on the Iraq War? If he opposes it I'm going to switch my party affiliiation from Dem to Repub tomorrow. (CT has closed primaries, and there hasn't been a Repub primary worth voting in here in fifty years. Only reason I stay Dem at this point.)

I really could care less where he stood on the Iraq war if he stays strong on his illegal immigration position. You might disagree, but keeping America American is more important than Iraq to me.

Heimdall
03-26-2006, 10:15 PM
"We were assured by our counterparts that Mexico understands its responsibilities, our shared responsibility for safety and security at the border, and also for humane treatment of people, whoever they are," Rice said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Mexico is hypocritical on the border issues. The government of Mexico screams at us about closing our borders while at the same time it tries to keep a tight reign with its own borders to Central America.

I love this. This is the most high profile the immigration debate has been in my lifetime, and it's happening in a congressional election year, without an incumbent, or a vice-president in the next presidential election. If you've never sent a message to your senators or representative before, now is the time to start, because it can actually have an impact this time. Also, no matter what you think about everything else the Republican party does, or believes, register as a republican before 2008, and vote in the primary for Tancredo. I'd vote for Ted Kennedy if he was able to convince me that he would solve the immigration problem.

I totally agree. They could be for legalizing gay marriage and keeping us in Iraq forever, and I'd still vote for them if they took a tough stand against illegal immigration and solving our current problem with it.

Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 10:17 PM
It's highly entertaining to sit back and watch the MSM and Dubya losing their grip on the question of immigration. The circulation of the New York Times, Washington Post, Newsweek and so on continues to fall year after year. OTOH, talk radio and the internet is swarming with voices supporting immigration reform.

Niko Bellic
03-26-2006, 10:17 PM
I really could care less where he stood on the Iraq war if he stays strong on his illegal immigration position. You might disagree, but keeping America American is more important than Iraq to me.

Other than immigration, he's a neocon.

http://tancredo.house.gov/issues/

Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 10:18 PM
I really could care less where he stood on the Iraq war if he stays strong on his illegal immigration position. You might disagree, but keeping America American is more important than Iraq to me.

I agree. The problem of the Iraq War is already well on the way to solving itself.

Fade the Butcher
03-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Confession. The Machiavellian in me yearns to see the Iraq War drag on endlessly like Vietnam for it will become a huge symbolic albatross around the neck of those who want to launch such foreign crusades abroad in the future. Has anyone else noticed that words like "freedom" and "democracy" seem to carry less currency today when they are invoked endlessly by Bush? I have noticed that many commentators almost flinch when they hear such soaring rhetoric today. Clinton was smart enough to cut and run when things began to sour in Somalia. That set the stage for Kosovo in 1999. The failure of the neocons in Iraq has put new wind behind the sails of isolationists like Buchanan.

Heimdall
03-26-2006, 10:40 PM
Interestingly, the number of protesters said to have gathered in Los Angeles has dropped from "at least" 500,000 to "at least" 200,000 (http://today.reuters.com/News/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2006-03-26T174900Z_01_N25382741_RTRUKOC_0_US-CONGRESS-IMMIGRATION.xml&pageNumber=0&summit=).

Starr
03-26-2006, 10:48 PM
He's remained unapologetic about his views. In 2002, The Denver Post ran a human-interest story about a high-school honors student who couldn't get college financial aid because he was in the United States illegally. Tancredo tried to have the boy and his family deported. (He was unsuccessful.)

LOL. you gotta love this. The media presents a sob story designed to play to everyone's emotions rather than rationality and Tancredo basically says "send em packing":222:

He had to take some major heat from all the crybabies for that "insensitivity."

Other than immigration, he's a neocon.

That seems to be the case, yes. Unfortunately the lesser of two evils is still an evil.

Fade the Butcher
03-27-2006, 01:42 AM
This scum should be identified, processed, concentrated, and deleted. The bacillus of anti-racism infected our society and brought about this situation. It must be eradicated once and for all.

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Starr
03-27-2006, 01:46 AM
Intead they are just allowed to do whatever the hell the want. I wonder how many people, that have seen this on this on television even gave this a second thought?

Fade the Butcher
03-27-2006, 01:49 AM
Virtually all of them are illegal aliens or relatives of illegal aliens. No, I take that back. The important point to realize here is that they are MEXICANS.

Heimdall
03-27-2006, 02:28 AM
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Mexicans are really living up to their reputation of being stupid. Los Angeles was never part of their homeland. Sure, the Mexican government at the time tried to claim sovereignty over it, but the Spaniards living in California practiced home rule and never considered themselves Mexicans. This is just people regurgatating propaganda from the Mexican government and activist groups.

Dan Dare
03-27-2006, 05:59 AM
Tancredo is the only politician to whom I have ever given any money.

I have just sent another donation today.