NZ mayor calls for financial incentives to stop "problem parents" from breeding

[Ahknaton]

Pay problem parents not to breed - mayor

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26280864-2,00.html

AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to breed.

Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.

"That there is a group within our society who give their children no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a talkback DJ.

"That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."

Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care."

The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our community would be considerable.

"There are too many people who should not have children."

Mr Laws said a report in New Zealand's Dominion-Post newspaper yesterday had incorrectly attributed the view to him that all those who got welfare should be sterilised.

Mr Laws wrote on the website "that most welfare beneficiaries are good parents" but it was the problem ones who should be offered money not to breed.

Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .

"There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''

He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.

New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.

It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.

Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had failed.

But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to stand down as a city mayor.

"I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action Group director Janfrie Wakim said.

"It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city is making such reprehensible suggestions.''

This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit headlines for bullying primary school children.

The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.

But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.

He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write to him.

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AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to breed.If the payments are less than the total costs of the current child welfare system in place in New Zealand, then this would on its face make at least good fiscal sense.
Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.Can anyone for NZ fill an American in on how far down Politically Correct Road NZ is, so that I can evaluate if this as a bold, or a safe statement to make in its political climate?
"That there is a group within our society who give their children no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a talkback DJ.

"That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."

Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care."

The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our community would be considerable.

"There are too many people who should not have children."Truth in words.

Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .

"There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''This makes sense and should not be controversial at all. Some people are simply scum and that they should not make potential future generations of scum is just good thinking in my view. The question is how are they going to identify the 'problem parents' before actions identify them for the authorities? And why should they have to give them 10,000 dollars for taking a action that will save the unfit defective money in the end by enabling the to avoid child care costs? Why should they be paid for being degenerate and unfit to reproduce? The money tells me that he is not looking for 'unfit parents' but rather poorer class people in general, as the rich and middle class deviants that have children will have little incentive to claim such a small reward. Hence I can see that there might perhaps be other rewards here that are not being trumpeted openly. It is too bad that NZ cannot follow the old British tradition and simply ship its poor and criminals to, say, Indonesia to found new mercantile colonies.

[Ahknaton]

Can anyone for NZ fill an American in on how far down Politically Correct Road NZ is, so that I can evaluate if this as a bold, or a safe statement to make in its political climate?
It's pretty controversial, except for the fact that there are a lot of anti-monarchist Tongans in NZ who would agree with the sentiment, so accusations of racism are likely to be muted.
The question is how are they going to identify the 'problem parents' before actions identify them for the authorities?
One of the examples given in the article was of a convicted murderer who fathered a child after being released from prison. Murder sentences in NZ are ridiculously light but that is another topic. I would propose giving violent prisoners the possibility of parole if and only if they consent to sterilization.

[curtalus]

It's pretty controversial, except for the fact that there are a lot of anti-monarchist Tongans in NZ who would agree with the sentiment, so accusations of racism are likely to be muted.So he went out on the branch a bit but not as far as say Nick Griffin in the UK. Is that about right? Also I notice that NZ must be a bit more moderate than the USA on this as having colored peoples agree is not a mitigating factor in the states to potential charges of racism generally. But thanks.

One of the examples given in the article was of a convicted murderer who fathered a child after being released from prison. Murder sentences in NZ are ridiculously light but that is another topic. I would propose giving violent prisoners the possibility of parole if and only if they consent to sterilization.Seems reasonable and this is its on the surface appeal, but I still assert that more poor than criminal will under go this for the money involved, even if all violent criminals did undergo the procedure as you suggest. Not that this is a bad thing per se, but is an effect I foresee. It is too bad that there is not a place to put this potential surplus of British stock--well mainly--rather than not having the surplus at all, is all I am saying.

[harjit]

As I was telling ElbowGreez recently, I don't meet many black Americans in Japan, but did talk to one a few days ago.

I didn't bring up race and Phorastuff, but at some point he himself went on a tirade about blacks in the States. He said that when mothers on welfare have a 2nd child, they should be forced to "get fixed" (as he put it) as a condition for the additional child support from the govt.

It makes sense to me. I wonder why it's something too controversial to ever seriously be a legitimate debate. It seems like in the States that if anything disproportionately affects blacks negatively (like welfare reform, the death penalty, etc.) it gets called racist, even though that's not the intention at all. I never understood that.

[Saqqara]

I can't for the life of me, understand how this would be offensive to anyone. No one is being forced to do anything, yet it offers many benefits to individuals and society.

[curtalus]

As I was telling ElbowGreez recently, I don't meet many black Americans in Japan, but did talk to one a few days ago.

I didn't bring up race and Phorastuff, but at some point he himself went on a tirade about blacks in the States. He said that when mothers on welfare have a 2nd child, they should be forced to "get fixed" (as he put it) as a condition for the additional child support from the govt.

It makes sense to me. I wonder why it's something too controversial to ever seriously be a legitimate debate. It seems like in the States that if anything disproportionately affects blacks negatively (like welfare reform, the death penalty, etc.) it gets called racist, even though that's not the intention at all. I never understood that.I am thinking that the fact that the Nazi's were involved with Eugenics, even though other countries like the USA has eugenics laws before them, has a great deal to do, with "why it's something too controversial to ever seriously be a legitimate debate", as the moment that anything associated with the Nazi's comes up the thinking level of the mob drops to zero and the two minutes hate is upon whomever is 'The Nazi' at for this session. This might play a significant part in stiffling debate about this subject and a score of others, including but not limited to: Nationalism, Racialism, the Greatness of European Civilization, our obvious gifts to mankind, and a host of other lesser and included topics,of which Eugenics is one.

[harjit]

I am thinking that the fact that the Nazi's were involved with Eugenics, even though other countries like the USA has eugenics laws before them, has a great deal to do, with "why it's something too controversial to ever seriously be a legitimate debate", as the moment that anything associated with the Nazi's comes up the thinking level of the mob drops to zero and the two minutes hate is upon whomever is 'The Nazi' at for this session. This might play a significant part in stiffling debate about this subject and a score of others, including but not limited to: Nationalism, Racialism, the Greatness of European Civilization, our obvious gifts to mankind, and a host of other lesser and included topics,of which Eugenics is one.
Racialism has a lot more baggage than just Nazis. American history probably has more weight in this regard.

As for the sterilization idea I mentioned above, you wouldn't even need to bring up eugenics, and it's not really the de facto behind-the-scenes motivation either. It's completely about economics and fiscal management. The party who benefits most would probably be the woman herself.

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the sterilization idea I mentioned above, you wouldn't even need to bring up eugenics, and it's not really the de facto behind-the-scenes motivation either. It's completely about economics and fiscal management. The party who benefits most would probably be the woman herself.I can assure you that if a member of the nominal right proposed such as you do and he is White that the nominal left is going to go with Nazi, Eugenics, and Holocaust in exactly that order of magnitude.

You know it and I know it. Now if a colored face could be used to sell this idea, then we are talking. It is the reality of identity politics in the post-marxist-hate-the-west mass third world immigration societies that we Whites find ourselves in at this time in history. So this would not go in Canada or the UK if a White man even so mush as showed interest in it. It is like we Whites live in a collective chi-com brainwashing camp,"We are bad for winning and for being the top dog. We are exploiters of the international proletariat of colored folks....We must let them have their way with us to make good...we are evil..coloreds are good...."