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Felix the Cat
04-03-2006, 05:06 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2093921,00.html

THE Vatican has begun moves to rehabilitate the Crusaders by sponsoring a conference at the weekend that portrays the Crusades as wars fought with the “noble aim” of regaining the Holy Land for Christianity.

The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since. Followers of Osama bin Laden claim to be taking part in a latter-day “jihad against the Jews and Crusaders”.

The late Pope John Paul II sought to achieve Muslim- Christian reconciliation by asking “pardon” for the Crusades during the 2000 Millennium celebrations. But John Paul’s apologies for the past “errors of the Church” — including the Inquisition and anti-Semitism — irritated some Vatican conservatives. According to Vatican insiders, the dissenters included Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Benedict reached out to Muslims and Jews after his election and called for dialogue. However, the Pope, who is due to visit Turkey in November, has in the past suggested that Turkey’s Muslim culture is at variance with Europe’s Christian roots.

At the conference, held at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, Roberto De Mattei, an Italian historian, recalled that the Crusades were “a response to the Muslim invasion of Christian lands and the Muslim devastation of the Holy Places”.

“The debate has been reopened,” La Stampa said. Professor De Mattei noted that the desecration of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem by Muslim forces in 1009 had helped to provoke the First Crusade at the end of the 11th century, called by Pope Urban II.

He said that the Crusaders were “martyrs” who had “sacrificed their lives for the faith”. He was backed by Jonathan Riley-Smith, Dixie Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Cambridge University, who said that those who sought forgiveness for the Crusades “do not know their history”. Professor Riley-Smith has attacked Sir Ridley Scott’s recent film Kingdom of Heaven, starring Orlando Bloom, as “utter nonsense”.

Professor Riley-Smith said that the script, like much writing on the Crusades, was “historically inaccurate. It depicts the Muslims as civilised and the Crusaders as barbarians. It has nothing to do with reality.” It fuels Islamic fundamentalism by propagating “Osama bin Laden’s version of history”.

He said that the Crusaders were sometimes undisciplined and capable of acts of great cruelty. But the same was true of Muslims and of troops in “all ideological wars”. Some of the Crusaders’ worst excesses were against Orthodox Christians or heretics — as in the sack of Constantinople in 1204.

The American writer Robert Spencer, author of A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, told the conference that the mistaken view had taken hold in the West as well as the Arab world that the Crusades were “an unprovoked attack by Europe on the Islamic world”. In reality, however, Christians had been persecuted after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem.

Donny the Punk
04-03-2006, 05:09 AM
That's interesting, but I suppose unsurprising given the current 'enemy at the gates' mentality that's taken hold. I wonder when Crusaders were last rehabilitated and in response to what.

Kodos
04-03-2006, 05:24 AM
Finally something I agree with out of those cocksuckers...

Billy Score
04-03-2006, 06:25 AM
whatever the failure of some crusaders (the 4th Crusade especially), they did indeed have noble aims and should be honored for what they wanted to do. The muslims too had the right to defend themselves etc, but the Crusaders were not evil and the Crusades were no worse than the muslim conquests of Christian and Zoroastrian lands that went on for hundreds of years before this. The Crusaders need not apologize. And when one reads the history of the Templars or any of the holy warrior orders, one finds that the amount of noble and honorable behavior, the valour and courage easily rivals the corruption and hypocrisy of a few members of the orders. Even the most troublesome crusader (Reynald deChatillon) has to be given credit for launching some of the most brasin attacks in history and doing so after languishing in a jail cell for 17 years. He could have easily lived comfortably but he instead chose a path that unsurprisingly led to his death. Bashing the crusades is silly and pointless. The crusades witnessed Europeans uniting for a cause that was above themselves.

I understand that the motives were not entirely altruistic, that many went for loot and plunder, or adventure, but this does not make the crusaders evil men. The Church needs to stop apologizing and roll back on half these changes it's made in the past century. Whether you are wrong or right is not the point. The point is showing respect to those who died fighting for you, who answered your calls and lived in a foreign land for much of their lives. The christian faith is not meant and should not be meant to pander to non christians. Its goals should not be "reaching out" or legitimizing faiths that are incorrect (although with the Church's current direction, even that may change and we may be accepting truth of Hinduism in time) etc. The church is supposed to present an otherworldly "heavenly" light. Acknowledging "mistakes" damages this. How can a church truely speak for Jesus or the Bible when it admits mistakes.

Denounce Vatican II and you'll find a much stronger christianity. Most of the problems of catholicism would die off, including its own relativism and self hatred.