delhi.....

[Masty]

A gang of Loyalists stop an Indian outside his takeaway shop and asks; "are you one of us, or a fenian"? The petrified Indian panics and says; "I'm from Delhi". So they kick the shit clean outta him and tell him; "It's Londondelhi, ya fenian bastard"!

:p

[Lily]

Funny.

An Irish girl I lived with last year who was from Derry became incensed if anyone referred to it as Londonderry. One of my bemused house mates responded, that she always thought those were two different places. She wasn't impressed.

[Errigal]

I always heard it referred to as Derry and never heard relatives correct anyone in private conversation even in a joking way. It's the Apprentice Boys of Derry and the Siege of Derry, not Londonderry. I guess this is a relatively recent concern of the lumpen-loyalists.

[Masty]

I always heard it referred to as Derry and never heard relatives correct anyone in private conversation even in a joking way. It's the Apprentice Boys of Derry and the Siege of Derry, not Londonderry. I guess this is a relatively recent concern of the lumpen-loyalists.That just goes to prove how outta touch yer gypsy relatives are, eiregirl. Out of all the places in the world, how come yer family parked yer caravan in British Canada?

The wheels on yer house go 'round and 'round.....

[Errigal]

That just goes to prove how outta touch yer gypsy relatives are, eiregirl. Out of all the places in the world, how come yer family parked yer caravan in British Canada?

You do understand that my bunch aren't Fenian or anything much like that don't you? There are more types from Ireland than wee Tims an' wee Huns. Don't worry your head about such questions; it's above your area of expertise.


The wheels on yer house go 'round and 'round.....

"Goo, goo, gee, gee, wee, wee" Speak the Queen's English.

aK21p8NEL8Y

e4SJgeHq7Q8

[Masty]

So, yer people are fuckin' spineless. Typical family trait.

[Errigal]

So, yer people are fuckin' spineless. Typical family trait.

"Gee yer wee-wee noo-noo?" What's that Porridge Nigger I can't understand you?

Let's not talk about families my White Nigger friend; you likely don't know who your parents are let alone your - sorry "yer" - grandparents.

Get your social worker to read this if the words are too big fer ye, me hearty.

[Errigal]

Come on you stupid scouse Morlock, cat got "yer" tongue?

I notice you and your pal 007 (license to binge-drink) can't actually carry on a conversation. You can just say something stupid and then crawl away for a while. You're both like retarded children who say swearwords to get attention.

[Masty]

Ha! Get You. Got a job yet, ya fuckin' bum ye.....

[O'Zebedee]

An Irish girl I lived with last year who was from Derry became incensed if anyone referred to it as Londonderry. One of my bemused house mates responded, that she always thought those were two different places. She wasn't impressed.

I've heard it referred to in both ways, and I've used both names at various times; just had to be careful where I used one or the other.

[Errigal]

Ha! Get You. Got a job yet, ya fuckin' bum ye.....

What do you do to fill your days Masty?

[Masty]

What do you do to fill your days Masty?I work.


:crusader:

[Errigal]

I've heard it referred to in both ways, and I've used both names at various times; just had to be careful where I used one or the other.

Just call it Derry.

I got to admit I don't much like the mood of the place. It's much darker and heavier a mood than just across the border. It feels like a weight off the shoulders to get back over the border. It's not nearly as bad as it was for years but I really don't enjoy the place.

[Errigal]

I work.


:crusader:

That's good. What sort of thing do you do?

[Masty]

What the fuck do you wanna know for? At least I work, not like you, ya fuckin' sponging fucker.

[Errigal]

What the fuck do you wanna know for? At least I work, not like you, ya fuckin' sponging fucker.

Why "ya fuckin'" instead of "you fucking"?

[mladikov]

Why "ya fuckin'" instead of "you fucking"?
Seriously...why do we need to read your trashy underman patois, let alone hear it?

[Errigal]

Seriously...why do we need to read your trashy underman patois, let alone hear it?

The funny thing is that real Ulstermen are quite clever with language and good at conversation. Masty is some poor lumpenprole from the north of England. Those types can only talk about "fookin' Pakis" or "fookin' Tories" or "I eat duff fer my fookin' tea, right?". Morlocks.

[007]

The funny thing is that real Ulstermen are quite clever with language and good at conversation. Masty is some poor lumpenprole from the north of England. Those types can only talk about "fookin' Pakis" or "fookin' Tories" or "I eat duff fer my fookin' tea, right?". Morlocks.

Masty's a real Ulsterman. Guess that makes you a tard for not being able to tell he is, eh? :222:

[Masty]

Morlock? oh dear, looks like some cunt has been watching too much t.v. What a dickhead.....


:crusader:

[Errigal]

Masty's a real Ulsterman. Guess that makes you a tard for not being able to tell he is, eh? :222:

I have to say he's not much like the ones I know. I think Masty is much more like the Bernard Manning type, or the "plain spoken" Yorkshireman, or the grunting natives of Durham. He seems like just another thick boy from the blackstuff. Ulstermen across the board have a far greater gift with language and are much more friendly than our buddy Masty here.

[007]

He's an Ulsterman and a grand fellow to have a pint with. Doesn't sound like you're very familiar with Yorkshiremen or Geordies, either

[Errigal]

He's an Ulsterman and a grand fellow to have a pint with. Doesn't sound like you're very familiar with Yorkshiremen or Geordies, either

Well you don't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree either. Does he look anything like this? Do you?

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/6c/Signs_of_fas.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/FASkid.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_Alcohol_Syndrome

[Dan Dare]

... the grunting natives of Durham.

You fucking shitbag. How dare you. What do you know about the natives of Durham, you cretin, you've never even been near the place.

Sunday is the 85th anniversary of my grandfather's death in the second Battle of Ypres, he was a territorial in the 8th Battalion Durham Light Infantry. You're not fit to lick his boots.

[Errigal]

You fucking shitbag. How dare you. What do you know about the natives of Durham, you cretin, you've never even been near the place.

Sunday is the 85th anniversary of my grandfather's death in the second Battle of Ypres, he was a territorial in the 8th Battalion Durham Light Infantry. You're not fit to lick his boots.

Look at you wrapping yourself in the flag. You think you're the only one with relatives who got shot at wearing a British uniform? Spare me.

My condolences for your dead grandfather but people from that part of the country are inarticulate. What does the one have to do with the other?

If anyone needs to be embarrassed it's you for dragging your long dead grandfather into a conversation that has nothing to do with wartime deaths.

[Lily]

Out of curiosity, have you ever been to Durham? As far as I am aware it's a rather pretty historical city (rather like York - which is lovely) and the university there is excellent.

[Errigal]

Out of curiosity, have you ever been to Durham? As far as I am aware it's a rather pretty historical city (rather like York - which is lovely) and the university there is excellent.

Yes I know, my cousin went to university there. So it's an old cathedral city with an excellent university and a regiment that has seen service in all the major wars. All this can be true and the locals can be generally inarticulate.

Here is lovely Durham, gateway to the south:

DydhBGGrRCU

[Charlie Robespierre]

Durham is a wonderful paradise flowing with milk and honey. And shame on you Errigal not knowing about Dan Dare's relative.

:whip:

[Errigal]

Durham is a wonderful paradise flowing with milk and honey. And shame on you Errigal not knowing about Dan Dare's relative.

:whip:

Yes I will refrain from commenting on parts of Europe and the former British Empire that suffered losses in the First or Second World Wars.

In the Yoou-Kayy people have to be polite and wear tight, little smiles as inarticulate Lowland Scots and Northern English babble on about their chip butties and fookin' something or other. We are all supposed to say "oh how wonderful" or something after a northern Morlock makes the same comment a dozen times.

I'm not in Britain so I don't have to be polite on this. Dan, Masty, and 007 are in your face with their stupidity so I'm just trying to explain to our American cousins where these inarticulate habits come from.

[harjit]

You fucking shitbag. How dare you. What do you know about the natives of Durham, you cretin, you've never even been near the place.
I hadn't realized that Dan has his Curtalus moments.

[Lily]

Yes I know, my cousin went to university there. So it's an old cathedral city with an excellent university and a regiment that has seen service in all the major wars. All this can be true and the locals can be generally inarticulate.

That is not my experience, but I admit I've only been there once.

[Errigal]

That is not my experience, but I admit I've only been there once.

My point was simply that Masty and 007 seem a lot more like the lumpenproles of northern England than anything Irish. They can't even engage in normal conversation an 8yr old could handle with ease. Dan is noticeably better but even he can't manage to ask and answer questions or engage another person in normal conversation when it comes to things British. He falls back on cliches.

[007]

Dan, Masty, and 007 are in your face with their stupidity so I'm just trying to explain to our American cousins where these inarticulate habits come from.

LOL at you claiming we're stupid when you're the one who can't tell that Masty's a real Ulsterman. :whip:

[Errigal]

LOL at you claiming we're stupid when you're the one who can't tell that Masty's a real Ulsterman. :whip:

No I don't think you are understanding me. Masty himself says he grew up in the northwest of England. He seems far more like the bottom level Scouse types from there than an Ulsterman. He could easily be a very stupid or mentally retarded Ulsterman; those exist too. Based on his posts he seems to be a very stupid Scouser with an interest in NI and its tribal rivalries at the lumpenprole level. He also likes to write in the style of a pirate or something. He likely isn't as stupid as he pretends because such a person wouldn't be able to operate a mouse and keyboard properly.

As for you, my guess is that you are as stupid in real life as you appear to be here.

[Felix the Cat]

That's Scots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language) I believe. One of our Glaswegian posters claimed to be familiar with it.

[Errigal]

That's Scots I believe. One of our Glaswegian posters claimed to be familiar with it.

Yeah I think that's the effect he's going for. I don't know if he's able to pull off the full version so he does his "shiver me timbers" version for us tourists.



The Scots version of Wikipedia is like something from a joke book, like the "Complete Norn Iron Haunbook" or something.

It's funny to read this stuff. Look at their entry for "computer":


http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

This is the level of these Porridge Niggers now. Look at the entry for the whole category of Engineering:

http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ingineerin

This goes from being funny to being sad. You would think the Scots were at the level of the New Guinea Mud Men based on this.

[Felix the Cat]

Reminds me of that "Geordie Windows 2000" gag pic that was going around a decade ago.

[Errigal]

Reminds me of that "Geordie Windows 2000" gag pic that was going around a decade ago.

LOL! I Googoo'd dat shit:

http://www.jardmail.co.uk/attachments/windaz2000.gif

[007]

No I don't think you are understanding me. Masty himself says he grew up in the northwest of England. He seems far more like the bottom level Scouse types from there than an Ulsterman. He could easily be a very stupid or mentally retarded Ulsterman; those exist too. Based on his posts he seems to be a very stupid Scouser with an interest in NI and its tribal rivalries at the lumpenprole level. He also likes to write in the style of a pirate or something. He likely isn't as stupid as he pretends because such a person wouldn't be able to operate a mouse and keyboard properly.

As for you, my guess is that you are as stupid in real life as you appear to be here.

I'm sure your brain droppings are of great interest to you and may even fool some of the people who read this shite, but I've actually met Masty, and he's from NI, not Co. Durham, not Yorkshire and not Liverpool. Liverpool, btw, has a lot of Irish people, but don't let that stop you from slagging them if it makes you feel better.

[Errigal]

I'm sure your brain droppings are of great interest to you and may even fool some of the people who read this shite, but I've actually met Masty, and he's from NI, not Co. Durham, not Yorkshire and not Liverpool. Liverpool, btw, has a lot of Irish people, but don't let that stop you from slagging them if it makes you feel better.

Well then things are worse than I suspected. Instead of his being a Scouser of average intelligence he's a retarded Ulsterman.

So to keep it simple: a mentally retarded or FAS Ulsterman is greater than or equal to an average Scouser, Manc or Geordie.

That may be why Masty moved to the northwest of England; they consider him quite sharp and he's able to scam them out of their chip butties and big plastic bottles of cider.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/ChipButtysmall.jpg

[007]

IOW, you've been caught spewing bullshit and your answer is to spew some more

[Dan Dare]

... people from that part of the country are inarticulate. ...

And precisely how much time in your adult life have you ever spent in the region?

Or in Britain generally, for that matter.

You present yourself as a leading authority on the matter so I assume you're going to come back with something more substantial than your cousin going to university in Durham and presenting a Youtube video as corroboration.

[007]

Your grandfather was in the DLI, Dan?

"Fastest marching regiment in Britain...Heel and toe, mind, heel and toe"

Errigirl is making a monkey out of himself with this drivel about Northern England, mate.

[Dan Dare]

Your grandfather was in the DLI, Dan?

"Fastest marching regiment in Britain...Heel and toe, mind, heel and toe"

Errigirl is making a monkey out of himself with this drivel about Northern England, mate.

Yes, 8th Bn, Terriers.

His name's on the Menin Gate, along with that of one of his brothers. He was a stoneman in the Brandon colliery and would have squashed Errigirl like the miserable bug that he is under his hobnail boot.

[Lily]

So to keep it simple: a mentally retarded or FAS Ulsterman is greater than or equal to an average Scouser, Manc or Geordie.

You're an idiot.

[Errigal]

And precisely how much time in your adult life have you ever spent in the region?

Or in Britain generally, for that matter.

You present yourself as a leading authority on the matter so I assume you're going to come back with something more substantial than your cousin going to university in Durham and presenting a Youtube video as corroboration.

None. I've never been to Durham. When did I say I was a leading authority? I've met and talked to people from there and I've heard from relatives how comically inarticulate the Durham Light Infantry troopers are compared to Irish regiments.


His name's on the Menin Gate, along with that of one of his brothers. He was a stoneman in the Brandon colliery and would have squashed Errigirl like the miserable bug that he is under his hobnail boot.

I really don't understand why you drag your grandfather into this again. You don't see me dragging mine in.

[Errigal]

You're an idiot.

I don't care what you think.

[Errigal]

....
Errigirl is making a monkey out of himself with this drivel about Northern England, mate.

Yeah you're all proving me wrong. Lots of smarts and language skills being shown by our northern English crew here.

[Dan Dare]

None. I've never been to Durham. When did I say I was a leading authority? I've met and talked to people from there and I've heard from relatives how comically inarticulate the Durham Light Infantry troopers are compared to Irish regiments.

Troopers? Wtf are troopers?

It sounds like your relatives are as lamentably uninformed as you are. And they must be getting on a bit as well. Where did they say they'd encountered these DLI 'troopers'?

And you omitted to mention how long you've actually spent in Britain in the last, say, twenty years. Given the amount of drivel you spout on the subject I'd suspect the answer is going to be close to zero.

I really don't understand why you drag your grandfather into this again. You don't see me dragging mine in.

If I want to drag in my grandfather, or any other of my relatives, it's not something I have to justify to you sonny jim.

[Charlie Robespierre]

I'm slightly taken aback ladies. A few unremarkable remarks about Durham (yes negative granted but not abusive) and the Phora's English roses are sobbing all around. I guess that's racism, Errigal. I mean y'know your in some state if anti-racist impresario Lily feels obliged to chip in with a tear or two on your behalf.

[Dan Dare]

Ay up lads, no show without Punch. Where's Bazzer? he'll be coming on next as PC Plod.

[Errigal]

Troopers? Wtf are troopers?

It sounds like your relatives are as lamentably uninformed as you are. And they must be getting on a bit as well. Where did they say they'd encountered these DLI 'troopers'?

Different parts of the army call their soldiers different things. You know this. Yes the DLI troopers were encountered years ago when my relative was an officer in the Royal Ulster Rifles, another regiment no longer around. You can like it or lump it Dan, people from that part of England are famous for being inarticulate.



And you omitted to mention how long you've actually spent in Britain in the last, say, twenty years. Given the amount of drivel you spout on the subject I'd suspect the answer is going to be close to zero.

I said already I never claimed to be an expert on the north of England. I'm just trying to guess why Masty and 007 are so stupid. In my experience - limited as it might be - people from northern England (where Masty lives) are less articulate than the average Ulsterman or Irishman in general. By a wide margin. I'll take 007's word for it that Masty is an Ulsterman and must conclude he is a sub par one.



If I want to drag in my grandfather, or any other of my relatives, it's not something I have to justify to you sonny jim.

Well I'm just curious what he has to do with the price of coffee? We are trying to figure out why Masty and 007 are stupid, not whose grandfather did what. I could play that game too but I don't want to.

[Charlie Robespierre]

Ay up lads, no show without Punch. Where's Bazzer? he'll be coming on next as PC Plod.Carry on, Danielle.:)

[Errigal]

I'm slightly taken aback ladies. A few unremarkable remarks about Durham (yes negative granted but not abusive) and the Phora's English roses are sobbing all around. I guess that's racism, Errigal. I mean y'know your in some state if anti-racist impresario Lily feels obliged to chip in with a tear or two on your behalf.

Yeah they can all grunt on about thick Paddies till the cows come home but if anyone tells them the Irish find them to be a little slow then their famous moaning starts. I would have thought they knew the Irish find them sort of bovine.

[Lily]

I'm slightly taken aback ladies. A few unremarkable remarks about Durham (yes negative granted but not abusive) and the Phora's English roses are sobbing all around. I guess that's racism, Errigal. I mean y'know your in some state if anti-racist impresario Lily feels obliged to chip in with a tear or two on your behalf.
Not at all, I'm merely responding to his comments about Liverpool and Manchester. Both of which I've spent significant amounts of time in, as opposed to Durham which I admit I've only visited once. Certainly with regard to the two I know well, he clearly doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

[Dan Dare]

Different parts of the army call their soldiers different things. You know this. Yes the DLI troopers were encountered years ago when my relative was an officer in the Royal Ulster Rifles, another regiment no longer around. You can like it or lump it Dan, people from that part of England are famous for being inarticulate.

Famous where? Certainly not in Britain. People from the North East have a distinctive regional accent and a lot of dialect words surviving from Old Norse, but they're anything but inarticulate. Quite the opposite from my experience, having a very large extended family who are Geordies, many of them extremely garrulous in fact.

But I'm curious about your relatives, sorry it's just the one now, isn't it. He didn't say where and when he'd encountered these DLI troopers, the ones that you appear to basing your case on now, did he?

And I'm guessing that your actual time spent in the field, as it were, on your extensive research into the topic is not to put too fine a point on it, basically equivalent to fuck all. Please feel free to correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick on that.

[Errigal]

Not at all, I'm merely responding to his comments about Liverpool and Manchester. Both of which I've spent significant amounts of time in. He clearly doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

No listen, people from the north of England will never stop going on about how plain spoken they are, how they don't like people who put on airs and talk fancy, how they don't like things that aren't common and homey and non-threatening. They dislike people who speak better than they do and don't moan as they do. I've also talked to lots of these people and have found them to be not exactly pushing the English language to its limits. Is this why Masty and 007 seem so stupid? Maybe.

[Lily]

No listen, people from the north of England will never stop going on about how plain spoken they are, how they don't like people who put on airs and talk fancy, how they don't like things that aren't common and homey and non-threatening. They dislike people who speak better than they do and don't moan as they do. I've also talked to lots of these people and have found them to be not exactly pushing the English language to its limits. Is this why Masty and 007 seem so stupid? Maybe.

There is a difference between being 'plain spoken' and not putting on airs and graces and being 'lower than a retarded Ulster man' or whatever it is that you first said.

It is the latter that I take issue with, not this new seemingly revised position. Although I'd still argue that your new opinion is highly generalised.

[Dan Dare]

Errigal evidently believes that catching a few episodes of Corrie on the idiot's lantern qualifies him as an authority on social attitudes right across the North of England.

[Errigal]

Famous where? Certainly not in Britain. People from the North East have a distinctive regional accent and a lot of dialect words surviving from Old Norse, but they're anything but inarticulate. Quite the opposite from my experience, having a very large extended family who are Geordies, many of them extremely garrulous in fact.

.....
And I'm guessing that your actual time spent in the field, as it were, on your extensive research into the topic is not to put too fine a point on it, basically equivalent to fuck all. Please feel free to correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick on that.

No not at all Dan, I'm actually sending this theory of mine to a major university to get a grant.


But I'm curious about your relatives, sorry it's just the one now, isn't it. He didn't say where and when he'd encountered these DLI troopers, the ones that you appear to basing your case on now, did he?


Now why wouldn't I want to get into specifics about which relatives served in the British Army where and when? Why would I want to be non-specific about that? Why in heaven's name? You don't know a hell of a lot about Ireland do you?

[Errigal]

Errigal evidently believes that catching a few episodes of Corrie on the idiot's lantern qualifies him as an authority on social attitudes right across the North of England.

I have no idea what Corrie's idiot lantern is but I will say that English northerners seem to love to wallow in their own cultural filth when it comes to the comedians and scriptwriters they produce. The Lowland Scots seem to be the same. So proud of being crass and vulgar and, yes, inarticulate.

[Dan Dare]

Not knowing about Corrie or the idiot's lantern is certainly going to cast a shadow on your credentials as an authority on all things English professor Errigal.

Not that that is likely to stem the flow of regal pronouncements and declamatory assertions.

I'd be interested though to see a list of those northern English comedians and scriptwriters that you so freely denigrate. It's probably going to be as well-populated as your list of sources on 'Durham inarticularcy', a theme that appears to have been quietly abandoned.

[Errigal]

Not knowing about Corrie or the idiot's lantern is certainly going to cast a shadow on your credentials as an authority on all things English professor Errigal.

Not that that is likely to stem the flow of regal pronouncements and declamatory assertions.

This is the forth time you claim that I claim to be an expert. I'm telling you I find the people of the north of England to be inarticulate and that other people I know have found that too. It really is common knowledge that such people are not great with language. No regal pronouncements, no university approved research papers. Are you really this thick yourself?

I'll add that I do love to see the Brit patriotards get all chippy and defencive when anyone questions their little bunch. Not so good at taking some comments from a thick Paddy eh? I've always found it funny to see big lumps of stupidity of the Bernard Manning or John Prescott type who talk about the Irish being thick when they look like they couldn't figure out a turnstile.

[Dan Dare]

I'm telling you I find the people of the north of England to be inarticulate and that other people I know have found that too. It really is common knowledge that such people are not great with language.

Ah right. So there we have it. 'Common knowledge' on any subject is whatever Errigal, and unnamed persons that he knows, happens to find to be the case.

Having dispensed with the twenty or so million people who inhabit the north of England in such a comprehensive and convincing fashion, where else might Prof. Errigal next astonish us with his erudition?

Perhaps we might expect a treatise on the diminution of the ablative in Etruscan, or on the mating patterns of the great crested newt. The mind boggles!

How fortunate we are to have such an intellect within our presence. All hail Errigal!

What a shining jewel Canada has been hiding under its bushel.

[Errigal]

Ah right. So there we have it. 'Common knowledge' on any subject is whatever Errigal, and unnamed persons that he knows, happens to find to be the case.

Having dispensed with the twenty or so million people who inhabit the north of England in such a comprehensive and convincing fashion, where else might Prof. Errigal next astonish us with his erudition?

Perhaps we might expect a treatise on the diminution of the ablative in Etruscan, or on the mating patterns of the great crested newt. The mind boggles!

How fortunate we are to have such an intellect within our presence. All hail Errigal!

What a shining jewel Canada has been hiding under its bushel.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Do your outrage about me somehow insulting your grandfather, that one is better.

I said people from northern England are generally not very articulate. You are failing to prove me wrong.

[007]

Now why wouldn't I want to get into specifics about which relatives served in the British Army where and when? Why would I want to be non-specific about that? Why in heaven's name? You don't know a hell of a lot about Ireland do you?

Why, is some wild-eyed but highly articulate Fenian liable to push the English language to it's limits while he's kneecapping you for it?


Not so good at taking some comments from a thick Paddy eh?

So your feelings have been hurt by the thick Paddy stereotype and this was your brilliant revenge? How underwhelming

[Masty]

No I don't think you are understanding me. Masty himself says he grew up in the northwest of England. I don't believe I've ever said that, for the simple reason, it's just not true. I was born in Belfast and grew-up in East Antrim. Are yer pants on fire?

[Dan Dare]

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Is this what Prof. Errigal's excitable following have been yearning for?

I shouldn't have thought so.

We've been led to expect so much more from our oracle in the Great White North, especially from someone so well travelled and as worldly wise as he.

Oh the yearning!

Our hero has been found to have feet of clay. Woe ist us! Oh, where shall we find another?*

*Extra rep for Prof Errigal if he can identify the cultural reference (English) here.

[Errigal]

I don't believe I've ever said that, for the simple reason, it's just not true. I was born in Belfast and grew-up in East Antrim. Are yer pants on fire?

Hey this is progress for you! I made a statement, you read and understood it, you looked into your memory and are now responding. This is a big leap forward for you. this is like when Helen Keller recognized water. Good for you!

As I said though, you seem really dumb for an Ulsterman. I think your move to "the mainland" was smart. Like Gary Coleman moving to Pygmyland.

Why, is some wild-eyed but highly articulate Fenian liable to push the English language to it's limits while he's kneecapping you for it?
....

Stick to commenting on the results of Ireland's second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. You have mastered that one little bit of data about modern Ireland and should probably just stick to repeating that.

Is this what Prof. Errigal's excitable following have been yearning for?

I shouldn't have thought so.

We've been led to expect so much more from our oracle in the Great White North, especially from someone so well travelled and as worldly wise as he.

Oh the yearning!

Our hero has been found to have feet of clay. Woe ist us! Oh, where shall we find another?*

More blah, blah, blah. More content-free and boilerplate bluster. If I'd claimed to be an oracle, or a scholar, or travel writer all these shots would at least come somewhere near me.



*Extra rep for Prof Errigal if he can identify the cultural reference (English) here.

No clue. I even Googled it. Is it the catchphrase of some Carry On character or a line from a Butlin's holiday camp song?

It's fun to Google. Look what I found when I Googled "stereotypical northerner" and "stereotypical northern English":

Stereotypical Northerner.
There dull, thick and lazy.
Its rough.
They put brown sauce on everything.
Women are cheap and easy.
They fry everything
Slow and shiftless
There accent and pronunciation of words sounds awful.
Farmers
More working class
Pale skin
Don’t get out much

http://www.slideshare.net/Dhag/northerners-stereotypes

Tyke is now a colloquialism used to identify the Yorkshire dialect, as well as the term some Yorkshiremen affectionately use to describe themselves, especially in the West Riding. Originally "tyke" was used as a highly derogatory adjective, meaning "a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement"; southerners used the term against Yorkshiremen,[9] but in defiance of the negative connotations it was adopted locally, taking on a new life.


...the Yorkshireman's Motto:
....Translation: 'Hear all, see all, say nothing; Eat all, drink all, pay nothing; And if ever you do anything for nothing - Do it for yourself.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

Dan, don't bother to post another round of "Errigal's not a professor" it's been done.

I'm really finding it funny and a little surprising the violent reaction to my assertion that the Irish are better with language than the northern English. This is considered a truism in my experience.

[007]

I made a statement, you read and understood it, you looked into your memory and are now responding. This is a big leap forward for you. this is like when Helen Keller recognized water. Good for you!

If only we could have said this of you but you completely failed to answer my question. Instead we got this drivel;


Stick to commenting on the results of Ireland's second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. You have mastered that one little bit of data about modern Ireland and should probably just stick to repeating that.

Why, hasn't it sunk in to your thick skull yet?

I'm really finding it funny and a little surprising the violent reaction to my assertion that the Irish are better with language than the northern English. This is considered a truism in my experience.

You mean you made it up. People in Canada don't distinguish between the parts of England. It's true the Irish are considered glib and full of blarney, iow, bullshit

[Dan Dare]

Prof. Errigal needs to take a little more care when selecting his citations.

There [sic] accent and pronunciation of words sounds [sic] awful.

And I actually wouldn't have any problem with the proposition that "the Irish are better with language than the northern English", if there some objective manner of demonstrating that to be the case.

Your inane braying that it's so doesn't signify, so show us some proper data, Prof. Put up or shut up.

[Errigal]

...

You mean you made it up. People in Canada don't distinguish between the parts of England. It's true the Irish are considered glib and full of blarney, iow, bullshit

I wasn't talking about people in Canada, I was talking about myself, my Irish relatives and other Irish people I've heard and read. 19th Century Irish literature has lots of mentions of the slow-witted and bovine English folk. Those hardline Fenians Somerville & Ross have some jokes about it, if I remember correctly.

Prof. Errigal needs to take a little more care when selecting his citations.

Quote:
There [sic] accent and pronunciation of words sounds [sic] awful.

Grammatical errors in some amateur website? Seriously Dan?

You caught me. By pretending I was pretending to be some sort of social scientist you caught me using faulty data in my imaginary data collection. This is fun. Now why don't you pretend that I claim to be an astronaut and prove conclusively that I'm still on Earth.



And I actually wouldn't have any problem with the proposition that "the Irish are better with language than the northern English", if there some objective manner of demonstrating that to be the case.

Your inane braying that it's so doesn't signify, so show us some proper data, Prof. Put up or shut up.

Sorry Dan all I can give you is my opinion. I can't pretend to be scientific for you. All I can tell you is that so very many of you northern English are as thick as shit and proud of it. Use that bit of data as you choose.

[007]

I wasn't talking about people in Canada, I was talking about myself, my Irish relatives and other Irish people

Yes, blarney, like Dan and I have been saying. :deadhorse:

[Errigal]

Yes, blarney, like Dan and I have been saying. :deadhorse:

That's fine I guess. You want to put all this under the category of blarney then do so.

[007]

That's fine I guess. You want to put all this under the category of blarney then do so.

That wasn't so hard now, was it?

[Errigal]

That wasn't so hard now, was it?

What wasn't? To let a stupid person I'll never meet take comfort in a simplistic explanation? Feel free.

[Dan Dare]

... Sorry Dan all I can give you is my opinion. I can't pretend to be scientific for you. All I can tell you is that so very many of you northern English are as thick as shit and proud of it. Use that bit of data as you choose.

It's when you attempt to pass off your personal opinion as 'common knowledge' or invoke imaginary authority figures in support of your reckless assertions that you come unstuck, and in the process sorely disappoint your many fans by appearing a complete tit.

We all know blarney when we hear it, but until now I hadn't been aware that it was a characteristic of Ulstermen as well. But then you're not really a proper Ulsterman either are you, but another provincially parochial Canuckistani just like harjit.

[Errigal]

It's when you attempt to pass off your personal opinion as 'common knowledge' or invoke imaginary authority figures in support of your reckless assertions that you come unstuck, and in the process sorely disappoint your many fans by appearing a complete tit.

My personal opinion is my opinion, the opinions of others when gathered together in my mind become common knowledge to me. The "imaginary authority figures" you've mentioned repeated in this thread have been the product of your imagination throughout, not mine. You like the idea that I'm making some sort of psuedo-scientific claim. I don't know why but there's no talking you out of this fancy of yours now that you've got it stuck in your mind. Where did I pretend to be a social scientist of any sort?

Also, "reckless assertions"? Who is going to die or be gravely injured by my statements? Get a grip.


We all know blarney when we hear it, but until now I hadn't been aware that it was a characteristic of Ulstermen as well.



No the stereotypical Ulsterman is serious and stern to a fault and not given to flights of fancy. On the other hand they are not at all proud of being "plain spoken" in the style of the Yorkshireman and do not embrace crassness as a badge of honour in the way so many northern English seem to. If an Ulsterman is stupid it's by accident rather than design.

You will notice how much better spoken both the Unionist and Nationalist politicians are and how much quicker on the feet they are in comparison to the plodding northern English trade unionist or BNP supporter.



But then you're not really a proper Ulsterman either are you, but another provincially parochial Canuckistani just like harjit.

Did I ever claim to be a typical Ulsterman? I've always said I'm Irish-Canadian and have equally always said I have only family links to Northern Ireland and no relatives I know of ever in the Orange Order. Not that being an Orangeman is required in order to be an Ulsterman, Martin McGuinness is very much an Ulsterman and he likely has few Orange connections as well.

[Dan Dare]

... You will notice how much better spoken both the Unionist and Nationalist politicians are and how much quicker on the feet they are in comparison to the plodding northern English trade unionist or BNP supporter.

Well you've got me there. I've got to concede that Enoch Powell was a fine orator, even for a northerner.

And you're right they are quicker on their feet. They have to be, to avoid getting blown to kingdom come!


Did I ever claim to be a typical Ulsterman? I've always said I'm Irish-Canadian and have equally always said I have only family links to Northern Ireland and no relatives I know of ever in the Orange Order. Not that being an Orangeman is required in order to be an Ulsterman, Martin McGuinness is very much an Ulsterman and he likely has few Orange connections as well.

Interesting choice of role model. Big fan of Marty are we?

I note that the publication of the Saville Inquiry report has been put back yet again. I wonder what's in it that's so incendiary that NuLabor don't want it out on their watch.

[007]

What wasn't?

Admitting you were full of shit.

[Errigal]

Well you've got me there. I've got to concede that Enoch Powell was a fine orator, even for a northerner.

Well he was from the Midlands which seems to make a difference. I suppose he came from that sweet spot between the flippant South and surly North. I like how both he and Connor Cruise O'Brien stepped in to lend support to the Unionist community in NI. Both men were swimming very much against the current when they did that.


And you're right they are quicker on their feet. They have to be, to avoid getting blown to kingdom come!

There's more than a grain of truth to that. A person has to have diplomatic skills and a way with language and meaning to play the political game in Ireland. Not just to engage in trickery but to simply make one's position clear.


Interesting choice of role model. Big fan of Marty are we?

Sympathy for the Devil I guess.


I note that the publication of the Saville Inquiry report has been put back yet again. I wonder what's in it that's so incendiary that NuLabor don't want it out on their watch.

I guess it's just one of many badly thought out bits of gesture politics left over from the Blair whirlwind. I have to admit I haven't been following it.

[Dreadnought]

Admitting you were full of shit.

It seems according to you if an Irishman is good with words it's automatically 'blarney'

[007]

It seems according to you if an Irishman is good with words it's automatically 'blarney'

It's what they're famous for and Errigirl has been wallowing in it here.

[harjit]

Admitting you were full of shit.
Errigirl has made speculative generalizations about me too that were wrong (after all, I think I'd know better than him), and got mad when called on it.

He'll never admit to being full of shit but pretty much anything he says should be interpreted as such, whether it's about Jews or Brits or whoever.

[ScottishStalinist1]

Errigirl has made speculative generalizations about me too that were wrong (after all, I think I'd know better than him), and got mad when called on it.

He'll never admit to being full of shit but pretty much anything he says should be interpreted as such, whether it's about Jews or Brits or whoever.


Errigal also likes to make sweeping generalisations about Scottish people, his latest being that Scottish people like to think they are niggers, that they thrive on telling people how badly they have apparently been persecuted by the English and how that makes them rabidly anti-English and petty-nationalist. I brought up how that is more stereotypically true of the Irish and is pretty much true, to which he thought was ridiculous. Yet even on this very internet site, there is hardly an Irishman with a positive thing to post on the English (with the likes of Felim taking Anglophobia to the extreme) but we have the likes of Calvin being so pro-English that some don't even know that he is a Scot. Calvin being a man from the East Coast of Scotland from my understanding.

Errigal is an anti-British bigot - probably because he is of Irish blood and from the French part of Canada, I guess. I won't pretend to make generalisations of Canadians however.

[Lud]

Errigal also shorted me on a Celtic bet.

[Errigal]

Errigirl has made speculative generalizations about me too that were wrong (after all, I think I'd know better than him), and got mad when called on it.

He'll never admit to being full of shit but pretty much anything he says should be interpreted as such, whether it's about Jews or Brits or whoever.


Little Harjit happy at last. Finally someone understands you and is paying attention to you:


[Today 12:56 PM] harjit: I can relate to American blacks just based on the experience of posting here. When you've experienced even a little bit of racism, you don't feel compelled to try hard or be serious. It all becomes just a game where you try to be the biggest jerk you can possibly be.

[Today 01:01 PM] Sudaev: Folks, that's why harjit is the little girl pulling her dress up over her head for attention.





Errigal also likes to make sweeping generalisations about Scottish people, his latest being that Scottish people like to think they are niggers, that they thrive on telling people how badly they have apparently been persecuted by the English and how that makes them rabidly anti-English and petty-nationalist. I brought up how that is more stereotypically true of the Irish and is pretty much true, to which he thought was ridiculous. Yet even on this very internet site, there is hardly an Irishman with a positive thing to post on the English (with the likes of Felim taking Anglophobia to the extreme) but we have the likes of Calvin being so pro-English that some don't even know that he is a Scot. Calvin being a man from the East Coast of Scotland from my understanding.

Errigal is an anti-British bigot - probably because he is of Irish blood and from the French part of Canada, I guess. I won't pretend to make generalisations of Canadians however.

You got it more wrong than right. Four out of a possible ten.

Next player...

[Sluggo892]

Errigal is an anti-British bigot - probably because he is of Irish blood and from the French part of Canada, I guess. I won't pretend to make generalisations of Canadians however.
Right. Because only the Irish and French are stereotypical.

[Errigal]

Right. Because only the Irish and French are stereotypical.

That's the funny thing about this thread, the people doing a terrible job of applying stereotypes about the Irish went absolutely apeshit when stereotypes started heading in their direction.

[Hartmann von Aue]

Most of what was good in Britain seems to have been lost long ago.

Sad to say it seems the Irish are losing natural graces as well.

(first supernatural graces are lost, then natural)

[Errigal]

Most of what was good in Britain seems to have been lost long ago.

Sad to say it seems the Irish are losing natural graces as well.

(first supernatural graces are lost, then natural)

Why do you say that? I think all of us in the West are living in graceless times but I think the Irish have fared better than some. The negative changes I've noticed over the years is the widespread wearing of tracksuits and other sportsgear as regular clothing and driving like crazed rally car drivers down normal roads. Those would be two signs of degeneration amongst the Irish I can think of.

[Felix the Cat]

I think Errigal dislikes the North because it's full of Methodists and Socialists

[Errigal]

I think Errigal dislikes the North because it's full of Methodists and Socialists

Bingo! Heepsofsheeps wins! :posrep:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to heapsofsheeps again.

And Utilitarians of various sorts. Unfortunately lots of these types emigrated to Canada and really are the predominant type amongst the great and good of Anglo Canada.

[Felix the Cat]

http://www2.labour.org.uk/faith
Thank you for visiting the Labour Party’s Faith Groups webpage. There is an old saying that the British Labour Party owes more to “Methodism than Marx”.

[fizzelopeguss]

The irish can be just as "loud" and "foul mouthed" as anyone from these isles. But i've only lived in this part of the world all of my life, so what do i know.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Why do you say that? I think all of us in the West are living in graceless times but I think the Irish have fared better than some. The negative changes I've noticed over the years is the widespread wearing of tracksuits and other sportsgear as regular clothing and driving like crazed rally car drivers down normal roads. Those would be two signs of degeneration amongst the Irish I can think of.

Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam.

de Valera was slightly off. Too obsessed with a closed and agrarian Ireland. The Gaelic Ireland was a good idea though.

The Irish threw the baby out, and kept the bathwater.

Chaith na hÉireannaigh an leanbh amach, agus choinnigh siad an t-uisce folctha.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I always heard it referred to as Derry and never heard relatives correct anyone in private conversation even in a joking way. It's the Apprentice Boys of Derry and the Siege of Derry, not Londonderry. I guess this is a relatively recent concern of the lumpen-loyalists.

As long as the capital is Derrylondon! Ahem...

Screw "Derry". Screw "Londonderry".

It's Doire ("Oak Grove"), or "Doire Cholm Cille" ("The Oak Grove of Columba")

More literally, The Oak Grove of Calum of the "Cell-church".

I don't know what it is in English, those little stone cells the monks would pray in alone. Size of a car.

So dump both gibberish "English" terms for it and use the REAL name.

[Gregz]

Errigal

You might enjoy this video. :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUEteloqEIA

[Errigal]

Errigal

You might enjoy this video. :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUEteloqEIA

The funny thing is quite a few people like that emigrate to the US or a dominion and are pleasantly surprised to find their accent is considered "classy".

[Gregz]

The funny thing is quite a few people like that emigrate to the US or a dominion and are pleasantly surprised to find their accent is considered "classy".

Scouser culture (this is a good one) :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGistJNGLqE

[Basil Fawlty]

Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam.

de Valera was slightly off. Too obsessed with a closed and agrarian Ireland. The Gaelic Ireland was a good idea though.

The Irish threw the baby out, and kept the bathwater.

Chaith na hÉireannaigh an leanbh amach, agus choinnigh siad an t-uisce folctha.Where did you get all that, Babelfish?

[Basil Fawlty]

What an amusing threads this is, how did I miss it?
There's an English type that loves to dish it out but can't take it when it comes back. It's amusing to see Errigal set upon by a bunch of shrieking Geordies and their wannabes.
I was especially impressed by Dan's temporary abandonment of Mr Cool Reserved Englishman for Mr "I'll tear your lungs out through your nostrils, you ignorant bog-trotter". I much prefer it, it rings truer.

I knew a Geordie in London, really nice guy but we couldn't make out what he was saying. It would usually take 3 or 4 runs before we could get the gist.

[Errigal]

What an amusing threads this is, how did I miss it?
There's an English type that loves to dish it out but can't take it when it comes back. It's amusing to see Errigal set upon by a bunch of shrieking Geordies and their wannabes.
I was especially impressed by Dan's temporary abandonment of Mr Cool Reserved Englishman for Mr "I'll tear your lungs out through your nostrils, you ignorant bog-trotter". I much prefer it, it rings truer.

I knew a Geordie in London, really nice guy but we couldn't make out what he was saying. It would usually take 3 or 4 runs before we could get the gist.

I'd forgotten about this thread and just reread it. It is a fun one.

[harjit]

I was especially impressed by Dan's temporary abandonment of Mr Cool Reserved Englishman for Mr "I'll tear your lungs out through your nostrils, you ignorant bog-trotter". I much prefer it, it rings truer.
I thought our Pilot of the Future was being funny. Was he really mad?

[Errigal]

I thought our Pilot of the Future was being funny. Was he really mad?

No he was genuinely angry. As I mentioned in this thread people in Britain seem to try and be polite about this topic and skirt around the language limitations of the northern English and Lowland Scots. People try to be good sports about it overall. I just said out loud what is a truism to my relatives and myself.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Where did you get all that, Babelfish?

Basil, you have no idea who you are talking to.

Let's meet sometime in a chatroom with live chat.

You find your online software and translate as-we-chat, and see who's faster, and who can correct whose language.

You will eventually notice since my chatting will be so much faster, that I will not have had time to cut and paste.

Are you up to this challenge?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Who in this thread wants to meet for a live chat in the Irish language?

We'll have none of these baseless claims of "pasting and copying" from online translation machines.

Comhra beo ar-line. An bhfuil duine ar bith sasta agus reidh?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

No he was genuinely angry. As I mentioned in this thread people in Britain seem to try and be polite about this topic and skirt around the language limitations of the northern English and Lowland Scots. People try to be good sports about it overall. I just said out loud what is a truism to my relatives and myself.

What language limitations? You referring to Celtic languages?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

What an amusing threads this is, how did I miss it?
There's an English type that loves to dish it out but can't take it when it comes back. It's amusing to see Errigal set upon by a bunch of shrieking Geordies and their wannabes.
I was especially impressed by Dan's temporary abandonment of Mr Cool Reserved Englishman for Mr "I'll tear your lungs out through your nostrils, you ignorant bog-trotter". I much prefer it, it rings truer.

I knew a Geordie in London, really nice guy but we couldn't make out what he was saying. It would usually take 3 or 4 runs before we could get the gist.

You mean "Derrylondon"?

[Basil Fawlty]

Basil, you have no idea who you are talking to.So, who am I talking to?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

So, who am I talking to?

You're not up for the challenge, I see. I'm calling your lingo bluff.

[Basil Fawlty]

You're not up for the challenge, I see. I'm calling your lingo bluff.You're doing nothing of the kind. What you are doing is avoiding my question, yet again.

[Errigal]

What language limitations? You referring to Celtic languages?

Of course not, I'm talking about English speakers.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

You're doing nothing of the kind. What you are doing is avoiding my question, yet again.

Sure, at the risk of getting banned, I simply say that you implied the language was taken from Babelfish online translator. I'm willing to disprove that. My personal identity is what you're asking for now, and like everyone else here as far as I know, I will not give it out, obviously.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Of course not, I'm talking about English speakers.

This is what I meant. The limitation perhaps being they are monoglots. Did you mean their limitations due to regional accents when applying for more posh jobs? I didn't quite get it. You mean they are looked down on because of their accents?

[Basil Fawlty]

Sure, at the risk of getting banned, I simply say that you implied the language was taken from Babelfish online translator. I'm willing to disprove that.Goon then, I'm not stopping you.
My personal identity is what you're asking for now, and like everyone else here as far as I know, I will not give it out, obviously.I don't want to know your personal identity. That's not what I asked.

[Errigal]

This is what I meant. The limitation perhaps being they are monoglots. Did you mean their limitations due to regional accents when applying for more posh jobs? I didn't quite get it. You mean they are looked down on because of their accents?

No I mean limited in their ability to communicate and perhaps think in the English language.

[Felix the Cat]

I knew a Geordie in London, really nice guy but we couldn't make out what he was saying. It would usually take 3 or 4 runs before we could get the gist.Some Geordies aren't Geordies, they're Makems. They can get touchy about this.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

No need to be so racist against the Irish, or the Manx, for that matter. You wouldn't mind knowing that John Cleese, of BASIL FAWLTY fame has a Gaelic name, would you?

Cleese = 'Ic Giolla Iosa / 'Ic Gille Iosa

[McCleese, Gillies, MacGillies...]

= "Son of the servant of Jesus."

I'm only giving out these lingo lessons to show that Britain indeed has a very very strong Irish background. So no need to be too much of a King Billy fan, really.

Now if you're too busy working for the MI5 and too busy for a live chat in Irish Gaelic, perhaps you could go to Babelfish and Google and check out their translations of the phrase below:

The Irish threw the baby out, and kept the bathwater.

My (correct) Irish translation:

Chaith na hÉireannaigh an leanbh amach agus choinnigh siad an t-uisce folctha.

So try the above English phrase in Google translation and Babelfish etc. and see what you get. Is it the same as I have provided above? You could have checked it out in Babelfish yourself, actually. Or if you have a couple of weeks, use dictionaries and remember it's a VSO language.

Basil Fawlty, played by John Cleese, the man with the Gaelic name.

How British do you feel now?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

OIC, I'm interrupting an 'official inquiry' into some guy's previous posting username. Go right ahead then Basil, I'd hate to obstruct the cause of internet justice. You've been offered a private discussion, but you obviously want to have this out in public, I'd be most entertained to witness an 'official' phora investigation.

Previous posting name: none

As it says in my avatar, etc, "banned".

Yup, that's me, really soon. Banned. How will I sleep tonight?

[Felix the Cat]

Both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia persecuted Esperantists. I'm beginning to see why.

[Basil Fawlty]

How British do you feel now?Not a bit. I'm Irish, nitwit.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Not a bit. I'm Irish, nitwit.

You are as Irish as a game of rugby. Ya eejit. And on top of that, you seem to hate your country's own language. It's really sick.

3 Hail Marys and a weekend on the Aran Islands for you to cleanse your system.

So, let's clarify this now. You're Irish, you assert. What is Irish about you?

Another Ballsbridge rugby player? You west Brits make me sick to my stomach.

[Basil Fawlty]

You are as Irish as a game of rugby. Ya eejit. And on top of that, you seem to hate your country's own language. It's really sick.

3 Hail Marys and a weekend on the Aran Islands for you to cleanse your system.

So, let's clarify this now. You're Irish, you assert. What is Irish about you?

Another Ballsbridge rugby player? You west Brits make me sick to my stomach.You really do want to be banned, don't you?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

You really do want to be banned, don't you?

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I will not be bullied either in cyberspace or outside in the street. And I call people's bluffs. It's a habit of mine.

Let me make it even easier. No need for a "live chat" site. Just MSN is fine. I have a new MSN account without my name on it.

The Norwegians, Dutch, Swedish, Finns, Danish, Welsh, and Faroese all have their languages. (= Their identities / cultures / nations are intact.)

Why not the Irish?

I promise if I'm banned I will give up speaking Irish and move to Testiclesbridge and start playing rugby and squash, hang around in winebars, and live in a huge Georgian house on the top floor so I can get the BBC signals clearly.

[Felix the Cat]

Bow to the Cow

vm1Z-mjru_A

[Kuniklo Nigra]

Both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia persecuted Esperantists. I'm beginning to see why.
I'm an Esperantist. Maybe somebody should persecute me.

[harjit]

I'm an Esperantist. Maybe somebody should persecute me.
The Chinese probably wouldn't know what that is, and those who do wouldn't care.

[Basil Fawlty]

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I will not be bullied either in cyberspace or outside in the street. That's good, but we do have a problem when a new poster's contribution seems to consist largely of provocative trolling.

[Delmac]

That's good, but we do have a problem when a new poster's contribution seems to consist largely of provocative trolling.

He deserves some marks for originality, surely. You can't often have been called a West Briton, Basil..

[Basil Fawlty]

He deserves some marks for originality, surely. You can't often have been called a West Briton, Basil..That's true, Delmac. I've been called a communist, a fascist, a Provo, and the one that really stung was being called a liberal, but West Briton is a first for me. So yes, full marks for originality.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

The Chinese probably wouldn't know what that is, and those who do wouldn't care.

Actually, they call it "shi jie yu" (shi4 jie4 yu3) (world language), and loads of them have heard of it, strangely enough.

But yeah, you are right, the Chinese don't care about anything. Refreshingly jaded, I'd venture to say.

I hear they speak Esperanto in Barochia of all places.

Kuniklo, are the "tones" right?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

That's good, but we do have a problem when a new poster's contribution seems to consist largely of provocative trolling.

Sorry, man. I'll try to tone that down.

Gabh mo leithsce/al, mo dhuine. Cuifidh me/ stop ar sin.

---

I do admit, your administration isn't very faulty. Fair play, like.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I'm an Esperantist. Maybe somebody should persecute me.

Being persecuted has its advantages. The Irish used to be persecuted, and they thrived under that. Give them home rule and they sell out! Go figure, eh?

Having picked up the Irish language in the "jailtacht", many ex-prisoners feel those south of the border have lost the plot.

Dev killed Collinz for nothing. On top of that, the EU is here now, and the border is starting to become irrelevant.

Secret spy message for Kuniklo:

"jailtacht" estas ludo sur la vorton "gaeltacht", sed en la "jailtacht" ili lernas la lingvon en la malliberejo. Kaj la gaeltacht estas la loko kie ili parolas la irlandan lingvon.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

For shits 'n gigglez, I will give you article 8 in the original language and a brief translation below. I'm not sure what constitutes a tangent in your minds, since I don't read minds.

Mar seo leanas ata/ airteagal 8 Bhunreacht na hE/ireann:

O/s i/ an Ghaeilge an teanga na/isiu/nta is i/ an phri/omhtheanga oifigiu/il i/.

Glactar leis an Sacs-Bhe/arla mar theanga oifigiu/il eile.

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Since Gaelic is the national language it is the first official language.

English will also be used as another official language.

(also: English is used as another official language)

will also be used
=
is also used

in Irish.

You can double-check this translation. Might not be exactly the same as the official English version.

An interesting angle of the loss of the Irish language is that Ireland is not exempt from time and space, and as such is in Kali Yug like everyone else, so gets fucked up like every other place. But the Irish got hit quite badly.

In Norway, they still speak their own language, and not because of the oil and gas.

Sorry, have I gone on a tangent?

[Errigal]

.....
Having picked up the Irish language in the "jailtacht", many ex-prisoners feel those south of the border have lost the plot.

....

"An Jailtacht" :applause

See that's the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Let's see a Geordie come up with something like that.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

"An Jailtacht" :applause

See that's the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Let's see a Geordie come up with something like that.

Well, actually, I didn't make that one up. Lots of Irish-speakers (in real irish "lucht na gaeilge") (not the fake word "gaeilgeoiri") use that play on words, especially provos.

Funnily enough, the hardest of the hard men don't speak Irish. They are just too psychotic to learn another language.

So is Fawlty a provo or a west brit? Is there still a difference? You never know these days...

And only a west brit would call this forum "Forum for Ireland and Northern Ireland", instead of

"Forum for Ireland™, including the north"

(note uncapitalised "the" and "north")

[Errigal]

Well, actually, I didn't make that one up. Lots of Irish-speakers (in real irish "lucht na gaeilge") (not the fake word "gaeilgeoiri") use that play on words, especially provos.

So is Fawlty a provo or a west brit? Is there still a difference? You never know these days...

And only a west brit would call this forum "Forum for Ireland and Northern Ireland", instead of

"Forum for Ireland™, including the north"

(note uncapitalised "the" and "north")

That stuff gets so boring. Northern Ireland exists in the same way East Germany existed. You can wish it didn't exist but it does.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

That stuff gets so boring. Northern Ireland exists in the same way East Germany existed. You can wish it didn't exist but it does.

Totally. I agree. But why pander to the status quo by using such-and-such terminology?

I suppose I can't blame those who might be temped by rugby and the Beeb. They want to get away from all the political crap.

You can wish the Irish language away too, but it's still there.

"Forum for West and East Germany"? Hmmm

[Errigal]

Totally. I agree. But why pander to the status quo by using such-and-such terminology?

I suppose I can't blame those who might be temped by rugby and the Beeb. They want to get away from all the political crap.

You can wish the Irish language away too, but it's still there.

Yes I've heard it before thanks. Your people have an ideal Ireland and my people aren't a part of that imagined Ireland. I know.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Yes I've heard it before thanks. Your people have an ideal Ireland and my people aren't a part of that imagined Ireland. I know.

Plastic Paddies? Hahahahahaha. This is an issue which goes beyond labels such as "plastic paddies". This is a serious issue and one that the Irish have simply swept under the rug.

What is more important during your 90 years of life on earth than just being who you are?

- get born
- be someone else
- die

Nope. Sorry. Not going along with it.

The countries I listed before? They ALL speak English too. They didn't dump their own languages so they could speak English. A special type of nation sells out its own mother, just like a farmer killing the calf of the cow that gives them her milk.

The real paddies are becoming plastic paddies too. Never forget your roots. And the "your people" comment? You mean "Irish-Americans"? They are 100 times less Irish than real Irish people. Not acquiring English would have been dumb. But dumping your own way of being isn't ok. How do you like going to Spain and being mistaken for Brits?

[Man of Ash]

Why don't you try saying something coherent? You know, in actual paragraphs where each point is linked to the previous one in a logical order? You seem to be reciting some banal critique of modern Ireland that everyone has already heard but dressing it up in this pseudo-stream-of-consciousness gibberish as if that will make it interesting.
Plastic Paddies? Hahahahahaha. This is an issue which goes beyond labels such as "plastic paddies". This is a serious issue and one that the Irish have simply swept under the rug.

What is more important during your 90 years of life on earth than just being who you are?

- get born
- be someone else
- die

Nope. Sorry. Not going along with it.

The countries I listed before? They ALL speak English too. They didn't dump their own languages so they could speak English. A special type of nation sells out its own mother, just like a farmer killing the calf of the cow that gives them her milk.

The real paddies are becoming plastic paddies too. Never forget your roots. And the "your people" comment? You mean "Irish-Americans"? They are 100 times less Irish than real Irish people. Not acquiring English would have been dumb. But dumping your own way of being isn't ok. How do you like going to Spain and being mistaken for Brits?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Let me come at you from a different angle rather than the same-old same-old.

Do you know how beautiful it is to be able to speak your own language and have your own identity? I know it's a worldly pleasure only, but we live in this world.

You wonder why the Welsh are so proud of their language???????

Do you have any idea what pleasure it gives them to just be themselves and not sell out.

No! You don't! And I will sound like a crackpot to you until you do understand this. But that will probably never happen.

Cymru am byth! You're right. Forget about the Irish and their dead language.

You don't know what you are missing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/

Yeah, we see the world in our own way! We are who we are. We stop being who we are when we die! Not one minute before.

[Man of Ash]

If you're not going to follow basic conventions of written communication, no one will be interested in communicating with you. This shtick of yours has gotten very old very quickly. You may have some good points but if so they are buried beneath your inane style of posting. You're obviously capable of stringing a sentence together - now try a whole paragraph.Let me come at you from a different angle rather than the same-old same-old.

Do you know how beautiful it is to be able to speak your own language and have your own identity? I know it's a worldly pleasure only, but we live in this world.

You wonder why the Welsh are so proud of their language???????

Do you have any idea what pleasure it gives them to just be themselves and not sell out.

No! You don't! And I will sound like a crackpot to you until you do understand this. But that will probably never happen.

Cymru am byth! You're right. Forget about the Irish and their dead language.

You don't know what you are missing.

[Errigal]

If you're not going to follow basic conventions of written communication, no one will be interested in communicating with you. This shtick of yours has gotten very old very quickly. You may have some good points but if so they are buried beneath your inane style of posting. You're obviously capable of stringing a sentence together - now try a whole paragraph.

Get With the Pogrom is like a Masty but from the "other community".

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Why don't you try saying something coherent? You know, in actual paragraphs where each point is linked to the previous one in a logical order? You seem to be reciting some banal critique of modern Ireland that everyone has already heard but dressing it up in this pseudo-stream-of-consciousness gibberish as if that will make it interesting.

You are not even in this thread. What are you adding to the thread? So you play hurling, is it? Is that the reason for the name Men of Ash?

You want the usual pretentious faux-intellectual crap? Is that what you serve up?

Give us a breakdown on your writing style and how it's better than my crap. Yeah, you want some nice words? Dress it up a bit with some long Latin- and Greek-based words?

You pretentious scumbags are a dime-a-dozen. Posting on boards, dazzling people with your "superior" English and well-thought-out and logical postings?

Who are you guys? Do you have jobs? Wives? Families?

YAWN!!!!

Is Men of Ash Fawlty? The get-of-out-jail-free identity or joker card for multiple-pronged attacks? Appears out of nowhere, not having made any posting? Please make it more subtle.

[Felix the Cat]

He's got a snipped cock so is unlikely to be one of those fellows.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Elvis, it's not black or white. It's shades of grey/gray.

[Man of Ash]

You are not even in this thread. What are you adding to the thread? So you play hurling, is it? Is that the reason for the name Men of Ash? You want the usual pretentious faux-intellectual crap? Is that what you serve up? Give us a breakdown on your writing style and how it's better than my crap. Yeah, you want some nice words? Dress it up a bit with some long Latin- and Greek-based words? You pretentious scumbags are a dime-a-dozen. Posting on boards, dazzling people with your "superior" English and well-thought-out and logical postings? Who are you guys? Do you have jobs? Wives? Families? YAWN!!!! Is Men of Ash Fawlty? The get-of-out-jail poster?
Aaah, a paragraph, of sorts. See how easy it is?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Aaah, a paragraph, of sorts. See how easy it is?

Yeah, FawltyII, it was fairly easy, actually. Cheers, mate. Fair play to yourself. I can count to 10 now too. You want to hear it?

[Man of Ash]

Yeah, FawltyII, it was fairly easy, actually. Cheers, mate. Fair play to yourself. I can count to 10 now too. You want to hear it?
I couldn't possibly be "Basil Fawlty"; I actually am a West Brit. Not so much of a West Brit, though, that I would say "cheers, mate" and "fair play" in the same breath.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Get With the Pogrom is like a Masty but from the "other community".

From a third community, actually. First we need the complete destruction of the Christian churches. If people want to go by the word of Jesus, fine. But first let's un-do the churches, Protestant and Catholic.

1. un-do the middle-eastern religion
2. bring back the national language

But I knew you guys wouldn't take any of this seriously. You guys are way too brainy. Brainy but conventional. Sorry, again I fail to impress, not having opened my thesaurus to make a post.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I couldn't possibly be "Basil Fawlty"; I actually am a West Brit. Not so much of a West Brit, though, that I would say "cheers, mate" and "fair play" in the same breath.

:-) Fair comment. Cothrom na Fe/inne dhuit fhe/in, laidhc. That was a mixed-community comment. But I'm also not a west Brit. What am I exactly? Any idea where I'm from?

(Pre-emptive 'disclaimer' of sorts to all: If you can't handle the forward slashes or lack of paragraphs, fuck off. If you can't handle seeing a foreign language you don't understand, eff off.)

[Man of Ash]

:-) Fair comment. Cothrom na Fe/inne dhuit fhe/in, laidhc. That was a mixed-community comment. But I'm also not a west Brit. What am I exactly? Any idea where I'm from?
I quite literally couldn't care less.
(If you can't handle the forward slashes or lack of paragraphs, fuck off. If you can't handle seeing a foreign language you don't understand, eff off.)
It's not a foreign language to me, m'laddy. But you need to wash your mouth out. Why don't you try using English well in place of this oh-so-clever polyglot shtick?

[Felix the Cat]

It's the Esperanto. It scrambles the brain.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I quite literally couldn't care less.

It's not a foreign language to me, m'laddy. But you need to wash your mouth out. Why don't you try using English well in place of this oh-so-clever polyglot shtick?

So you came into the thread just to clean it up, did you? There is no way you aren't a sock. A monoglot sock. "I'm a dumbass and can't handle things I don't understand. I'm too lazy to go and find out what stuff means, so I attack the messenger like a little kid." How is this new? This isn't novel or refreshing. It's just boring. Your ideas have been through the ringer a few times. "M'laddy" instead of the Latin words? You're a west brit? What a load of BS that is. "I'm a west brit". Hahahaha. (Is it ok to write "hahahahah"? Has some rule been broken? Seriously, you are some kind of fag.)

[Man of Ash]

So you came into the thread just to clean it up, did you? There is no way you aren't a sock. A monoglot sock. "I'm a dumbass and can't handle things I don't understand. I'm too lazy to go and find out what stuff means, so I attack the messenger like a little kid." How is this new? This isn't novel or refreshing. It's just boring. Your ideas have been through the ringer a few times. "M'laddy" instead of the Latin words? You're a west brit? What a load of BS that is. "I'm a west brit". Hahahaha. (Is it ok to write "hahahahah"? Has some rule been broken? Seriously, you are some kind of fag.)
Nice paragraph! You're doing well. Would you like a pat on the head?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Nice paragraph! You're doing well. Would you like a pat on the head?

Thanks Fawlty.

The English language isn't a language. It's an Anglo-Norman market patois and is the vehicle for a sub-standard culture. Get cultured. That means travelling /traveling and learning how other people think, not sticking your head into a thesaurus and writing some junk to impress people.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

That just goes to prove how outta touch yer gypsy relatives are, eiregirl. Out of all the places in the world, how come yer family parked yer caravan in British Canada?

The wheels on yer house go 'round and 'round.....

:-) At least you're a true Brit, Masty. It's the plastic ones I have a problem with. Everyone should keep their OWN identity. Only then can you respect your neighbours. Respect yourself. Be yourself. Respect your neighbours. Love your neighbours. There is no reason for war. Dump the middle-eastern religions and keep our cultures. European unity.

real Brit + real (enter whichever identity) = friends

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Ha. The loyalists in "Derry" saw some new street signs in "Ullans" (Ulster English) - partly funded by Dublin after the Good Friday Agreement. They thought it was Irish Gaelic and ripped them down. Ripped down their own signs. Hilarious.

Both the prods and Catholics seem to have a serious identity crisis. The Catholics themselves, north and south of the border, have a very serious identity problem. Would it be nice if everyone would just be themselves, speak their own languages, and respect people for their differences?

[Felix the Cat]

Even Unionists aware of the difference would be unhappy with that, since it could be taken as implying that they do not speak proper English, and have more in common with Gaelic speakers than with the people across the Irish sea.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Even Unionists aware of the difference would be unhappy with that, since it could be taken as implying that they do not speak proper English, and have more in common with Gaelic speakers than with the people across the Irish sea.

I don't know. I think there was a strong identity with their Scottishness since coming over from Scotland. Or as Paisley says, "coming back". He calls the prods "returning Picts".

Some of the Scottish settlers were Scottish Gaelic speakers, but most spoke Lallans.

The Irish-speakers of the area when learning English, knew from the beginning it was "Scottish". They called learning it "raising the scotch" apparently.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I don't blame regular Irish people for being really bored and fed up with the old politics. But my main statement is basically that healthy nations keep their languages, and sick ones sell out.

Healthy countries in the vicinity of Britain (despite dialect disputes in some cases):

Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Faroes, Iceland

Why are the Irish and Scots the weakest in regards to the languages? Scotland is referred to as a linguistic double helix, but the weakness in Gaelic and even the lack of officialdom for Lowland Scots (Lallans/Doric) is shocking.

Scotland and Ireland do have a problem with bigotry. The Scots and Irish have some identity problems.

[Felix the Cat]

Some of the Scottish settlers were Scottish Gaelic speakers, but most spoke Lallans.Well then call it Lallans or Scots, not "Ullans". Attempting to split the Ulster variant off by itself will arouse predictable suspicions about the motives behind this.

And even then, I suspect the appeal of such a thing would be limited.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Well then call it Lallans or Scots, not "Ullans". Attempting to split the Ulster variant off by itself will arouse predictable suspicions about the motives behind this.

And even then, I suspect the appeal of such a thing would be limited.

"Ullans" is a name for Ulster Scots (language/dialect). I'm not trying to split anything. In fact, yeah, they should considered as one, and called Scots, despite some differences. Ditto for Scottish and Irish and Manx Gaelic. The splits are largely political. These languages are made up of dialect continuums, and even as that breaks up, they are still the same language.

No, I'm with you on that one. Just call it Lallans or Ulster Scots.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Yeah, baby!!!!!! Now I know how a victorious dung-beetle feels! I love it!

[Errigal]

Yeah, baby!!!!!! Now I know how a victorious dung-beetle feels! I love it!

What did you win at?

[Get with the Pogrom™]

What did you win at?

Damn! I spoke too soon. I can never keep my mouth shut.