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Damavand
04-17-2006, 02:12 AM
this is an interesting article. giving its own thread at recommendation of another user.

Creative Genius or Psychotic? A Look at the Strong Positive Correlation Between Creativity and Psychoses

Jonathan S. Byrd
Rochester Institute of Technology

This paper postulates that there is a strong positive correlation between traits associated with creativity and traits associated with psychoses. Indeed, some of the relevant traits are shared. There are several traits that go hand in hand with creativity. It will be shown that two of these "creative" traits, latent inhibition and fantasy proneness, also have a strong positive correlation with certain psychoses. As intelligence and creativity are often linked, we will also discuss intelligence as it relates to creativity. Thus it will be shown how latent inhibition, intelligence, and fantasy proneness all factor into a theory of how creativity and psychoses are intertwined.

This article postulates that those who are gifted with a high level of creativity, are also predisposed to certain forms of psychoses. Indeed, even some of the traits long since considered to be associated with certain forms of mental illness are shared by those who are inherently creative. What follows will be a breakdown of creativity, intelligence and psychoses, and how they all are interrelated.

First we will explore some examples that are relatively well known, and demonstrate how they show a positive correlation between creativity and psychoses. Then we will break down creativity to define what traits are associated with creativeness. As intelligence is often associated with those who are creative, we will break down what constitutes intelligence and show the similarities and differences between the definitions of intellect and the definitions of creativity. To wrap up we will discuss the theory of latent inhibition (Carson, Peterson, & Higgins, 2003), the personality trait known as fantasy proneness, and then show the correlation between specific types of psychoses and creativity.

Creativity and Psychoses: Real-World Examples

Kaufman and Baer (2002) put together an article showing the predisposition of female poets towards various forms of mental illnesses. Though their article goes in depth over the tendencies of male vs. female poets in respect to susceptibility to mental illnesses, the article nonetheless touches base with the very core behind the theory postulated here. Poetry is undeniably a form of creativity, and some of the best, most creative poets are the ones who show the most signs of psychoses.

Kaufman and Baer (2002) further propose that those with mental illnesses are more likely to be drawn to poetry rather than to other forms of prose due to the personal nature of poetry. Kaufman and Baer (2002) conclude by stating, "The adage that creativity and 'madness' are linked together is by and large supported by the existing research" (p. 282).

Fantasy proneness is a trait that can be equated with having an "overactive imagination". One of the most highly publicized examples of fantasy proneness deals with UFO sightings and people who claim to either be visited and/or abducted by aliens. In an article which explores the depths of UFO sightings, fantasy proneness, and psychoses, we discover that if a person is claiming to be abducted by aliens, the only two logical conclusions that can be reached are either the person is fantasy prone or psychotic (Bartholomew, Basterfield, & Howard, 1991).

The problem that we have with determining whether or not a person is either fantasy prone or suffers from a mental disorder is the fact that many of the symptoms displayed by fantasy proneness and psychopathy are the same. This speaks directly to the matter at heart, if a person sees UFOs does that mean they are "mad", or do they just have an overactive imagination? Typically our society associates auditory and visual hallucinations as symptoms of mental illnesses, but fantasy prone people experience such hallucinations many times. Does this make them psychotic, or does it mean that they are overly creative? Sometimes it is hard to tell due to the strong connection between the two traits.

Creativity: How Do We Define It?

Shalley (1991) proposes a three factor model of creativity. She proposes that for creativity to be present, three conditions are required; ability, intrinsic motivation, and cognitive activities.

"Ability is knowledge in the area in which an individual is working and the necessary skills to process information creatively to produce novel and appropriate responses" (Shalley, 1991, p. 179). To put it in simpler terms, ability is the knowledge a person has on a subject before they need to come up with a novel idea in the subject. Just as an author who knows more about a topic would be able to write a more detailed synopsis, so would a person who knows more about a topic be able to create a new idea based on that topic.

"Intrinsic motivation is inner-directed interest in or fascination with a task" (Shalley, 1991, p. 179). This is fairly self explanatory, a person who is naturally interested in a subject will be more likely to dwell upon it and more likely to have better insights than a person who dislikes the subject.

"The cognitive activities that are necessary in order to be creative are problem definition, environmental scanning, data gathering, unconscious mental activity on the problem, insight to the problem solution, evaluation of the solution, and finally, implementation of the solution" (Shalley, 1991, p. 180). Shalley (1991) postulates that these three criteria are necessary for creativity to occur. However, her model is not the only model with a theory on creativity.

The notion of creativity was largely understudied until Gulliford stated in a 1950 APA presidential address that the topic was not receiving the attention it deserved. Simonton (2000) attempts in his article to categorize and solidify the studies done on creativity since that address. Simonton (2000) suggests that research on creativity has taken place in four key areas: "the cognitive processes involved in the creative act, the distinctive characteristics of the creative person, the development and manifestation of creativity across the individual life span, and the social environments most strongly associated with creative activity" (Simonton, 2000, p. 151).

At this moment, Simonton (2000) states that there are two dominating theories of creativity. One theory, being an economic model, examines a person's willingness to invest in human capital. The other theory being an evolutionary one, where it explains the creative process, person, and product. Shalley's (1991) theory of creativity follows this second model. The article describes the various strides made in the defining of creativity, but goes on to conclude that although there has been considerable progress since the 1950 Gulliford address, there is much more that still needs to be researched if a definitive model of creativity is to be reached.

Intelligence: How Does It Relate to Creativity?

To understand how intelligence relates to creativity, we must first delve into the definitions of intelligence. Like creativity, White (2000) states that cognitive neuroscience has not yet come to a consensus about what "intelligence" actually is. A word used in the 19th century to denote some unspecified mental property that promotes evolution. The late 1800s gave rise to the development of testing for high levels of intelligence.

At first intelligence testing was not geared towards testing the general populace, rather finding diamonds of genius in the rough, and weeding out the feebleminded. Now IQ testing is performed on anyone who wishes to take the test. IQ testing attempts to get away from all culture bias so that anyone in the world should be able to take the test and generate a score close to a score of a person of equal intelligence somewhere else.

White (2000) describes in his article the notion of genius. While the term "intelligent" is almost always a positive term, the term "genius" can either have a positive or negative connotation depending on the context. Although White (2000) says in his article that it is unfortunate that geniuses often get stuck with the stigma of being pathological, he admits that one can not totally discount the correlation between genius and psychopathology.

"Creative activity does involve very regular, cognitive processes" (Bink & Marsh, 2001, p. 60). The article by Bink and Marsh (2001) explains in detail the cognitive processes behind creative thinking. It uses the evidence that people use information the same way whether or not they are creating a novel idea or merely accomplishing a non-creative task. They discuss the Geneplore model of creativity to devise how cognitive thinking contributes to the production of a novel idea. "According to the model, creative activity is the process of generating, refining, and then regenerating mental representations in service of task demands and goals" (Bink & Marsh, 2001, p. 61). This model shows where cognitive thinking fits into the role of the creative process.

While intelligence tests contain a range of problems, when one goes beyond the range of conventionality in the tests, one starts to tap in to individual differences that are measured very little, or not measured at all by conventional tests (Sternberg, 1999). Sternberg's (1999) theory on successful intelligence suggests that creative intelligence can be better measured by problems that assess a person's ability to cope with relative novelty.

One example of such a test is people were presented with the following scenario: "[There are] four kinds of people on the planet Kyron: blens, who are born young and die young; kwefs, who are born old and die old; balts, who are born young and die old; and prosses, who are born old and die young" (Sternberg, 1999, p. 304). The subjects are then instructed to predict future states from past states. A test such as this would measure more the creative side of intelligence than the cognitive aspect of intelligence.

Sternberg (1999) found that the definition of creative intelligence goes beyond of the realm of cognitive intelligence and that individual and developmental differences have a large effect upon the results of creativity, much more than the effect they have upon the results of cognitive thinking.

Sternberg (2001) goes on in another article to further explain creativity with regards to intelligence and wisdom. He says that creativity refers to the potential to create a novel product that is both task appropriate and high in quality. He proposes that creativity has a dialectical relationship with intelligence, the while intelligence is often for the advancement of social agendas, creativity hampers or creates entirely new ones.

Sternberg (2001) suggests that creativity, like intelligence, is a trait that is naturally hard to define, but can be linked by the common idea that things that are creative are both novel and high in quality, while things that are intelligent are not novel but merely high in quality. He uses this basis to suggest that creativity in some ways seems to go beyond normal intelligence. It can be seen from the above articles that while intelligence plays an important part in the role of creativity, it is not the be all and the end all of what makes a person creative. Creativity has been shown to have most links with genius, yet creativity still seems to exist in ways that go above cognitive thinking skills.

Creativity and Its Strong Positive Correlation With Psychoses

The Case of Latent Inhibition

Latent Inhibition (LI) is defined as "the capacity to screen from conscious awareness stimuli previously experienced as irrelevant" (Carson, Peterson, & Higgins, 2003, p. 499). Carson, Peterson, and Higgins (2003) go into detail, testing several different traits and how low/high levels of LI have effects upon them. The study we are most interested in is the study where low/high levels of inhibition are compared with moderate/high levels of IQ and their respective creativity output.

A person with high levels of LI will tend to always see things the same way as before. "If an item was irrelevant before, it will be irrelevant again," is something that goes through the subconscious mind of a person with high levels of LI. Regardless of a person's IQ, if a person has a high LI score; they tend to do poorly on creativity testing. This is logical because a person who always sees things with the same stigma can hardly be expected to improve upon said object, regardless of how intelligent they are.

A person with low levels of LI on the other hand will not dismiss something as irrelevant based on past experiences. They re-analyze the object or situation again before coming to any conclusions about it. Here is where we see a big jump between the differences in IQ, those with a moderate IQ scored slightly higher than those with high levels of inhibition, but those with high IQ scored much better in creativity tests than their less intelligent test subjects. This also makes sense if you think about it, a more intelligent, more intuitive person who re-analyzes things will notice more, and extrapolate further compared to one who is less intelligent.

Reduced LI scores in humans has been associated with psychotic states or psychotic proneness, and as reduced levels of LI produce higher levels of creativity, one can see the correlation between creativity and psychoses. "These results support the theory that highly creative individuals and psychotic-prone individuals may possess neurobiological similarities, perhaps genetically determined, that present either as psychotic predisposition on the one hand or as unusual creative potential on the other" (Carson, Peterson, & Higgins, 2003, p. 505).

The Case of Fantasy Proneness

Rauschenberger and Lynn (1995) did a study on fantasy prone students and their predisposition towards DSM Axis I disorders. Rauschenberger and Lynn (1995) found a strong positive correlation between fantasy prone students and Axis I disorders when compared with other students who were not fantasy prone.

During the course of their study, they found that 67% of students who are fantasy prone met the criteria for either a past or present Axis I diagnosis, compared to only 31% of student who were not fantasy prone. That's more than two times the amount, a very powerful and persuasive figure. However even more amazing is the fact that 50% of the fantasy prone students reported a past episode of clinical depression, as well as meeting the criteria for 23 Axis I disorders (2 disorders per student average). "We found that 29% of fantasizers received a current DSM-III-R diagnosis. This statistic is consistent with Lynn and Rhue's (1988) estimate that 20% to 35% of the fantasy-prone population exhibits maladjustment, psychopathology, or deviant ideation" (Rauschenberger & Lynn, 1995, p. 378).

In the study by Lynn and Rhue (1988) mentioned above, they examine fantasy prone students and contrast them with students who are not fantasy prone. The differences between fantasy prone students and non fantasy prone students are separated into several characteristics such as; hypnotizability, imagination, waking suggestibility, hallucinatory ability, creativity, psychopathology, and childhood experiences.

While the rest of the article discusses in detail all of the above characteristics, the characteristics of creativity and psychopathology are of the most interest to this topic. It was shown through testing that the students who were more fantasy prone had higher levels of creativity and a higher degree of psychopathology than those students who showed low fantasy proneness. It was found that most (70%) fantasizers, while displaying some signs of psychoses, were able to maintain a normal life.

However, 5 out of the 13 people tested scored more than 2 standard deviations above the mean for schizotypy or hypothetical psychosis proneness, and an amazing 20-35% of all the subjects with fantasy proneness exhibited "significant signs of maladjustment, psychopathology, or deviant ideation. And perhaps a smaller proportion of fantasizers can be aptly characterized as schizotypal or borderline personalities" (Lynn & Rhue, 1988, p. 42). It can be derived from this that at least some degree of overlap exists between healthy creative tendencies and pathological ideational processes.

Creativity and Its Strong Positive Correlation With Specific Psychoses

So it can be clearly seen that creativity and psychoses in general have strong connections between them, but what specific types of psychoses are creative people generally most susceptible to? One article discusses the correlation between creativity and manic depressive disorder/cyclothymes (Richards, Kinney, Lunde, Benet, & Merzel, 1988). We learn that not only do more people with these certain disorders tend to have a greater wealth of creativity at their disposal, but they also tend to use their creative ability in different ways than people who do not have these disorders.

Another article discusses the personality of those with schizophrenia (Berenbaum & Fujita, 1994). It discusses the issue of creativity and how it has long been speculated that creativity and psychoses are somehow linked. Berenbaum and Fujita (1994) speculate that this could be due to the fact that creative minds and psychotic minds follow the same cognitive process. Some psychologists even speculate that certain genes that predispose you towards schizophrenia are also the genes responsible for a person's creative abilities.

So where do we draw the line? How do we determine who is psychotic and who is a creative genius? Obviously more work and research needs to be done in this field, genetic and psychiatric tests should be run in order to further discover the interesting link between creativity and psychoses. As a society we define the difference between someone who is psychotic and someone who is not is based upon a person's actions towards society's accepted norms.

One has to wonder, if Beethoven were born today, would he be making music? Or would he be sitting in a psychiatric ward, with no one but the walls to listen to his symphonies?

http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/byrd.html

Ahknaton
04-17-2006, 02:34 AM
Creativity and bipolar disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_bipolar_disorder)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Chart.jpe

One has to wonder, if Beethoven were born today, would he be making music? Or would he be sitting in a psychiatric ward, with no one but the walls to listen to his symphonies?Beethoven is widely believed to have been a manic depressive. Intense bouts of creativity usually occur during the manic phase.

I wonder if mental disorders like manic depression are examples of the expression of a gene for increased intelligence or creativity that confers benefits in heterozygous form but leads to disorders in homozygous form, similar to the gene for sickle cell anemia that gives protection against malaria if you only have one copy? The increased prevalence of Tay Sach's in Ashkenazi Jews (who have a higher IQ than average) is supposedly another example of this.

Sinclair
04-17-2006, 02:38 AM
Some skepticism might be a good thing, since even if this sort of research is correct, it could lead to romanticising mental disorder.

However, the "moody artist" is a stereotype for a reason... There is truth behind it.

infoterror
04-17-2006, 02:55 AM
Psychosis = ability to live in a world of own creativity, and lack of hindrance by fabricated crowd-protecting moral scruple... sounds like high intelligence to me!

GAS THE UNDER-120s (AT LEAST)

Ahknaton
04-17-2006, 03:04 AM
I wonder if mental disorders like manic depression are examples of the expression of a gene for increased intelligence or creativity that confers benefits in heterozygous form but leads to disorders in homozygous form, similar to the gene for sickle cell anemia that gives protection against malaria if you only have one copy? The increased prevalence of Tay Sach's in Ashkenazi Jews (who have a higher IQ than average) is supposedly another example of this.
FYI, the proper term for this is Heterozygote advantage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterozygote_advantage) (I just found this out :))

Fade the Butcher
04-17-2006, 03:28 AM
Kaufman and Baer (2002) conclude by stating, "The adage that creativity and 'madness' are linked together is by and large supported by the existing research" (p. 282).

Galton made this point.

sugartits
04-17-2006, 06:49 AM
One has to wonder, if Beethoven were born today, would he be making music? Or would he be sitting in a psychiatric ward, with no one but the walls to listen to his symphonies?

I wonder if Beethoven would have continued writing great music if he was doped-up with the kind of medication we have today. He obviously was in extreme need of Zoloft and Paxil.

Geist
04-17-2006, 12:09 PM
Nancy Andreasen has tracked 30 students from the University of Iowa Writer's Workshop. 80% had mood disorders (30% is average amongst similar people who are non-writers). 43% had some degree of manic-depressive illness (10% is average). 2 committed suicide over the 15 years of the study.

p. 74 (from Psychology Today, April 1987)

-Living the Writer's Life by Eric Maisel.

Donny the Punk
04-17-2006, 07:17 PM
One has to wonder, if Beethoven were born today, would he be making music? Or would he be sitting in a psychiatric ward, with no one but the walls to listen to his symphonies?

http://www.personalityresearch.org/papers/byrd.html
Perhaps both. Boethius managed it, after all. I've read about this somewhere else but I forget where. :confused:

themistocles
04-17-2006, 08:07 PM
I wonder if Beethoven would have continued writing great music if he was doped-up with the kind of medication we have today. He obviously was in extreme need of Zoloft and Paxil.

Ahaha....In some previous generation, Macaulay Culkin would have grown up to become a master thespian. :222:

infoterror
04-17-2006, 08:36 PM
Ahaha....In some previous generation, Macaulay Culkin would have grown up to become a master thespian.

In a previous generation, he would've been of higher DNA quality. He looks like a child molestor. Bug-eyed, waxy skin, limpwristed gaze... would you let him near Michael Jackson's children? I think not.

Petr
04-17-2006, 09:00 PM
Galton made this point.
Yeah - he himself used to participate in spiritist seances...


Petr

Anarch
04-18-2006, 11:35 AM
I feel special. Sort of.

There is no genius without an admixture madness - Aristotle.

infoterror
04-18-2006, 07:06 PM
Is it psychotic to be above the law of the sheep? If 90% of the people on this planet constitute overpopulation, is it "psychotic" to want them dead? Keep me away from the rabble's laws, for they understand nothing higher than themselves, and there's a long way to go -- above them.

Jonathan
04-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Is it psychotic to be above the law of the sheep? If 90% of the people on this planet constitute overpopulation, is it "psychotic" to want them dead? Keep me away from the rabble's laws, for they understand nothing higher than themselves, and there's a long way to go -- above them.
Would you like to start a thread proposing your society of Patricians with IQs of over 120? Just a suggestion. I'd like to see how it goes:p

infoterror
04-18-2006, 09:53 PM
Would you like to start a thread proposing your society of Patricians with IQs of over 120?

~~~~~~~~~~~shoa
I'm fukcin

Here be the thread (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6275), dawg.

Anarch
04-18-2006, 11:37 PM
Is it psychotic to be above the law of the sheep? If 90% of the people on this planet constitute overpopulation, is it "psychotic" to want them dead? Keep me away from the rabble's laws, for they understand nothing higher than themselves, and there's a long way to go -- above them.

Actually, I don't think you know much at all about psychosis, infoterror. Until you learn something about it, please just... STFU.

Helios Panoptes
04-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Would you like to start a thread proposing your society of Patricians with IQs of over 120? Just a suggestion. I'd like to see how it goes:p


The first thing I will do as "Patrician with an IQ over 120" is track down Infoterror and have him exterminated.

infoterror
04-19-2006, 12:23 AM
The first thing I will do as "Patrician with an IQ over 120" is track down Infoterror and have him exterminated.

Awesome! I love a good extermination round. Can we have a picnic, too?

infoterror
04-19-2006, 12:26 AM
Actually, I don't think you know much at all about psychosis, infoterror.

http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

Heliotheos
04-19-2006, 12:43 AM
Could it be that sensory perception is interpreted with a self-destructive bias? Knowing trauma is often considered a significant precursor, or even cause of psychological disorders, it seems entirely possible that psychosis could be self-induced, by the faculty of the artistic process. From what I understand, this would be called a functional psychosis, if that clarifies my position.

[Edit: In retrospect, this is more efficient and a good deal less pretentious, regardless of how that pretensiousness originated.]

Donny the Punk
04-19-2006, 02:13 AM
Could it be that input via sensory perception is interpreted with a self-destructive bias? i.e. Godel-ish paradox 'this is not a sentence' ...as thus: ' that which you percieve is of greater priority than yourself', imparting the perciever's actions to iteratively negate his existence, and simultaneously to benefit the perceived(see:the artistic process).
af·fec·ta·tion Audio pronunciation of "affectation" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fk-tshn)
n.

1. A show, pretense, or display.
2.
1. Behavior that is assumed rather than natural; artificiality.
2. A particular habit, as of speech or dress, adopted to give a false impression.

Damavand
04-19-2006, 09:24 AM
Yeah - he himself used to participate in spiritist seances...


Petroh, those rationalist scientists...:D

Anarch
04-19-2006, 12:42 PM
http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

Interesting. Drugs have nothing to do with my problem.

Heliotheos
04-19-2006, 04:33 PM
af·fec·ta·tion Audio pronunciation of "affectation" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fk-tshn)
n.

1. A show, pretense, or display.
2.
1. Behavior that is assumed rather than natural; artificiality.
2. A particular habit, as of speech or dress, adopted to give a false impression.


Down, boy.

My elaboration was only to clarify. I've only explored psychology through backdoors to this point, and I assumed using the speech I'm more familiar with would prove less pretentious than speaking in terms that really don't register with me. If anything, the arguement should read as naive, but nonetheless claiming that the disorder is in the faculty of artistic interpretation rather than associated genes.

Petyr Baelish
04-22-2006, 03:11 AM
The first thing I will do as "Patrician with an IQ over 120" is track down Infoterror and have him exterminated.

Infoterror is the only person I know of who's developed an entire ideology revolving around the idea of himself being murdered.

Helios Panoptes
04-22-2006, 03:14 AM
Infoterror is the only person I know of who's developed an entire ideology revolving around the idea of himself being murdered.

Lol, I sent him rep which said "I've never seen a man campaign for his own extermination like this before" a few days ago.

Petyr Baelish
04-22-2006, 03:18 AM
Now for a dose of reality:

Elaboration on premorbid intellectual performance in schizophrenia: premorbid intellectual decline and risk for schizophrenia.

Reichenberg A, Weiser M, Rapp MA, Rabinowitz J, Caspi A, Schmeidler J, Knobler HY, Lubin G, Nahon D, Harvey PD, Davidson M.

Department of Psychiatry, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, One Gustave L. Levy Place, New York, NY 10029, USA. avi.reichenberg@mssm.edu

CONTEXT: Consistent evidence indicates that some, but not most, patients with schizophrenia have below-average intelligence years before they manifest psychosis. However, it is not clear whether this below-average premorbid intelligence is stable or progressive. OBJECTIVE: To examine whether increased risk for schizophrenia is associated with declining intellectual performance from childhood through adolescence. DESIGN: Historical cohort study of an entire population using record linkage for psychiatric hospitalization during an 8- to 17-year follow-up period. SETTING: Mandatory assessment by the draft board of Israeli conscripts. PARTICIPANTS: Population-based cohort of 555 326 adolescents born in Israel. Data were available on 4 intelligence subtests as well as on reading and spelling abilities and on behavioral and psychosocial variables. A regression-based approach was used to assess the discrepancy between actual IQ at age 17 years and estimated IQ during childhood based on reading and spelling abilities. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Hospitalization for schizophrenia (as per the International Statistical Classification of Diseases, 10th Revision criteria). RESULTS: Lower-than-expected IQ at age 17 years was associated with increased risk for later hospitalization for schizophrenia. Results were held after controlling for potential confounders. For 75% of patients with schizophrenia with low actual IQ (<85) at age 17 years and for 23% of patients with actual IQ within the normal range (> or =85), actual IQ was 10 or more points lower than expected. Lower-than-expected IQ was not associated with bipolar disorder or with depression or anxiety disorder. CONCLUSIONS: Indirect evidence suggests that intellectual deterioration from childhood through adolescence is associated with increased risk for schizophrenia. Despite within-normal-range premorbid IQ scores, apparently healthy adolescents who will later manifest schizophrenia nevertheless have intellectual decline.

Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16330717&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Petyr Baelish
04-22-2006, 03:24 AM
Sustained attention, visual processing speed, and IQ in children and adolescents with Schizophrenia Spectrum disorder and Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified.

McCarthy J, Kraseski K, Schvartz I, Mercado V, Daisy N, Tobing L, Ryan E.

Psychology Department, Queens Children's Psychiatric Center, 74-03 Commonwealth Blvd., Bellrose, NY 11426, USA.

To investigate the cognitive functioning of children and adolescents with Schizophrenia Spectrum disorders and Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified, 22 child and adolescent psychiatric inpatients and day-hospital patients at a state psychiatric hospital with Schizophrenia Spectrum disorders, 30 with Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified, and 130 with other psychiatric disorders, ages 8 to 17 years, were administered the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-III for psychological assessment at admission. The Performance IQs of the ADHD and the Conduct Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder groups were significantly higher than those of the Schizophrenia Spectrum and the Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified groups, and the Full Scale IQs of the Conduct Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder group were significantly higher than those of the Schizophrenia Spectrum group and the Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified group. The Coding scores of the ADHD group were significantly higher than those of the Schizophrenia Spectrum, the Psychosis Not Otherwise Specified, and the Bipolar Disorder groups. There was a significant negative correlation between age and Digit Span for the Schizophrenia Spectrum disorders group.

PMID: 16158695 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16158695&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Neuropsychological impairments in people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and their unaffected relatives.

McIntosh AM, Harrison LK, Forrester K, Lawrie SM, Johnstone EC.

Division of Psychiatry, Royal Edinburgh Hospital, Edinburgh EH10 5HF, UK. andrew.mcintosh@ed.ac.uk

BACKGROUND: Neuropsychological abnormalities in schizophrenia are well replicated and are present in unaffected relatives.Cognitive findings in bipolar disorder are less clearly established. AIMS: To examine the possibility that these abnormalities may provide a means by which the disorders might be separated and to clarify the associations of phenotypic expression and genetic liability. METHOD: A neuropsychological test battery was administered to 50 control participants, 74 patients and 76 unaffected relatives recruited for the study.Patients included those with schizophrenia from families affected by schizophrenia alone, those with bipolar disorder from families affected by bipolar disorder alone and those with bipolar disorder from families affected by both disorders.Unaffected relatives were also recruited. RESULTS: Current, verbal and premorbid IQ were impaired in people with schizophrenia and in their close relatives. Memory was impaired in all patient and relative groups. Psychomotor performance and performance IQ were impaired in patients, regardless of diagnosis. CONCLUSIONS: This study finds evidence that intellectual abnormalities are related to a genetic liability to schizophrenia. Abnormalities of memory appear to be related to an increased liability to psychosis in general.No impairment was specific to bipolar disorder.
Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15863741&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum)

The Retard
04-23-2006, 07:54 AM
It's a pity one can't imagine what one can't compare to anything. Genius is an African who dreams up snow.

infoterror
04-24-2006, 06:18 PM
Drugs have nothing to do with my problem.

It was not my intention to imply that. I found it interesting. Related to hallucinogenic drug use, symptomatically, are depression and lack of sleep. FWIW

infoterror
04-24-2006, 06:19 PM
Infoterror is the only person I know of who's developed an entire ideology revolving around the idea of himself being murdered.

I see. Clever glorified chimpanzee is attempting to be "suttle" and imply I am below 120 IQ points. I suppose the socially accepted response is polite laughter and a topic change.

Petyr Baelish
04-25-2006, 01:23 AM
I see. Clever glorified chimpanzee is attempting to be "suttle" and imply I am below 120 IQ points.

For someone who is supposedly "above 120 points", you certainly become extremely defensive when your cognitive ability is discussed. I certainly haven't see any evidence that would lead me or any other rational person to assume that your IQ is above 120. Rep comments like "NIGGER ;)" are most certainly not indicative of great wit of creativity. A few remedial lessons in grammar and induction might do you good in partly rectifying your crystallized g deficit, but I doubt there is much that can be done about your deficiencies in the fluid g area which is far less responsive to euthenic interventions. What I do know for a fact is that intelligent people spend their time in a fashion that is, well, more intelligent, than elaborating obsessive, Sisyphean genocidal fantasies to lesser beings - such activities are the domain of disgruntled, neurotic nerds whose intellects are not on par with their aspirations.

Petr
04-25-2006, 03:26 AM
For someone who is supposedly "above 120 points", you certainly become extremely defensive when your cognitive ability is discussed. I certainly haven't see any evidence that would lead me or any other rational person to assume that your IQ is above 120. Rep comments like "NIGGER ;)" are most certainly not indicative of great wit of creativity.

What I do know for a fact is that intelligent people spend their time in a fashion that is, well, more intelligent, than elaborating obsessive, Sisyphean genocidal fantasies to lesser beings - such activities are the domain of disgruntled, neurotic nerds whose intellects are not on par with their aspirations.
This is scary, I'm actually agreeing with UP...


Petr

infoterror
04-25-2006, 05:23 AM
What I do know for a fact is that intelligent people spend their time in a fashion that is, well, more intelligent, than elaborating obsessive, Sisyphean genocidal fantasies to lesser beings - such activities are the domain of disgruntled, neurotic nerds whose intellects are not on par with their aspirations.

You're assuming an audience of one, when we both know there are people here smarter than you -- and they make a better audience.

I'd have to ask you the same thing: why do you make me a crusade, if my ideas are so easily debunked?

...or, were they to be easily debunked, it would be easy for those 120+ cases.

I think you've got cotton to pick, so I'll leave you alone now.

Gleb
04-25-2006, 05:43 AM
I think you've got cotton to pick, so I'll leave you alone now.

Obsessed with picking cotton, too. Did you grow up on a Vietnamese farm?

Petyr Baelish
04-25-2006, 07:03 AM
You're assuming an audience of one, when we both know there are people here smarter than you -- and they make a better audience.

I'd have to ask you the same thing: why do you make me a crusade, if my ideas are so easily debunked?

...or, were they to be easily debunked, it would be easy for those 120+ cases.

I think you've got cotton to pick, so I'll leave you alone now.


Your narcissism would be funny if it weren't so damn irritating. You're in the position of a retarded child who assumes that he is "special" because people pay more attention to him than to his cognitively superior peers. If you haven't noticed, few people here really care much for your spam, or your sophomoric plagiarisms and rehashings of philosophical ideas that predate your unfortunate conception by centuries. Intelligent people, including myself, draw their ego strength and self-esteem from accomplishments, not from the ability to elicit disgust from strangers. Your hilarious dellusion that you are somehow a "crusade" of mine, is, once again, a case of an idiot (you) vastly overestimating his importance because of his ability to irritate people.

*Puts troll on ignore*.

Petyr Baelish
04-25-2006, 07:04 AM
Obsessed with picking cotton, too. Did you grow up on a Vietnamese farm?


You'd dream of greener pastures too if you had grown up herding reindeer in Lapland...:rofl:

Der Sozialist
04-25-2006, 12:58 PM
*Puts troll on ignore*.

Is this a symbolic gesture or does the ‘ignore’ feature actually erase all of infoterror’s while viewing a given thread?

Ravenheart
04-25-2006, 01:00 PM
Is this a symbolic gesture or does the ‘ignore’ feature actually erase all of infoterror’s while viewing a given thread?

Posts by people on your ignore list will be filtered out.

infoterror
04-25-2006, 02:02 PM
*Puts troll on ignore*.

The first time I saw this tactic was probably 1986 or so... the people who are really ignoring you rarely announce it.

The ignore function here is pretty cool. However, it leaves you a little note like "This post would be visible, but you've chosen to ignore Sulla the Dictator's posts; click here to turn off ignore."

Damn civilized.