Should we sterilize criminals and mental defectives?

[Prybylowski]

In 1927, the US Supreme Court upheld the state of Virginia's compulsory sterilization law which was aimed at preventing the obviously "unfit" from breeding. Unfortunately, this law and others like it were gradually abandoned sometime after the 1960s, because of liberalism and civil rights.

Should we sterilize criminals and mental defectives? Discuss.

[catfish]

The current psychiatric establishment would consider people who hold racialist views to be mental defectives and people who are homophobic as mental defectives. And so a huge chunk of the phorites would be considered mental defectives.

[Prybylowski]

Mental defective in this case would refer to anyone with an IQ between 70-85, which is borderline intellectual functioning, and lower. Besides, there's little or no empirical evidence that racialism has any connection with mental illness.

Anyway, no one should be automatically guaranteed the "right" to procreate. It should be a privilege that must be earned.

[Ixtab]

No, they should be euthanised instead.

Only in border-line cases should they be sterilised.

[Gull]

When you are so for it.....I must say

then they should do that before settling Americas and Australia

think people, for some gov., or standard one of your ancestor were definitely criminals

[cerberus]

Perhaps we should gas , starve and inject them as per T4.
I do so love the "progressive thinking" which surfaces from time to time.

[Columnist]

The current psychiatric establishment would consider people who hold racialist views to be mental defectives and people who are homophobic as mental defectives. And so a huge chunk of the phorites would be considered mental defectives.
Accurate observation.

Nevertheless, a case could be made for castrating criminals, as thugs do well with the ladies, causing illegitimate births. Also, it would cut down on prison rape. Prison rape causes the prison experience to be hugely different for different prisoners. This is injustice.

[Columnist]

No, they should be euthanised instead.

Only in border-line cases should they be sterilised.
A case against sterilization often made by Catholics was STDs.

[Prybylowski]

Accurate observation.

Nevertheless, a case could be made for castrating criminals, as thugs do well with the ladies, causing illegitimate births. Also, it would cut down on prison rape. Prison rape causes the prison experience to be hugely different for different prisoners. This is injustice.

I'm not so sure about castration, as some of its side effects include rapid feminization, depression, osteoporosis and physical weakness. It would cut down on prison rape, but prison medical expenditures would increase dramatically.

[Longinus]

People who oppose eugenics act like dumb and cruel animals without compassion. They do so because it is in the inborn (animalistic) nature of humans to cowardly advert eyes from misery and whatever they find disturbing.

The people who can't deal with the problems of modern society, or who simply don't care much about society, are inadvertently allowing the criminals and other destructive people to cause tremendous corruption, suffering, and wars. Unfortunately, there is no way yet of helping any of these troublesome people. The destructive people have to be sterilized and exiled, or killed. The people who obey the laws but who can't or won't deal with society's problems have to be told to keep their mouth shut, stop voting, and let the rest of us deal with the problems.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-2010Feb13.html

[Columnist]

I'm not so sure about castration, as some of its side effects include rapid feminization, depression, osteoporosis and physical weakness. It would cut down on prison rape, but prison medical expenditures would increase dramatically.
So eunuchs would be worthless as guards?:confused:

[Angler]

The problem with sterilizing "criminals" is that the term often applies to some of the best and bravest people to walk the earth. Just because something is a "crime" in the law books doesn't mean it's wrong. At the same time, many truly rotten and worthless people aren't officially regarded as criminals by society. Look at most US politicians for plenty of examples.

When it comes to those with serious mental handicaps, I would support a policy of voluntary sterilization in exchange for payment or other social benefits. The net cost to society could be made considerably less than the cost of providing welfare support for multiple children of poor genetic stock.

No, they should be euthanised instead.

Only in border-line cases should they be sterilised.Apart from that simply being wrong, how much do you think the family members of the mentally defective would like your policy? Even completely normal people -- hell, even brilliant people -- have some chance of giving birth to a retarded child, and I doubt many of them would sit well with the notion that their child would be condemned to death if he didn't pass an IQ test upon reaching a certain age. There would be shootouts in the streets over the involuntary euthanasia of innocent people (as there should be).

[Lionheart]

No, the justice system makes too many mistakes, and innocent people would be unable to pass along their genes - from the materialist evolutionist point of view, a fate worse than execution.

[Angler]

No, the justice system makes too many mistakes, and innocent people would be unable to pass along their genes - from the materialist evolutionist point of view, a fate worse than execution.That's another good point about mistakes made by the justice system. Such mistakes are best left reversible.

I can't quite agree with the second part of your statement, though. I'm an evolutionist and a materialist (at least tentatively), and I don't feel any particular need to propagate my genes. (I sure do have a hell of a sex drive, though. ;))

[Lionheart]

That's another good point about mistakes made by the justice system. Such mistakes are best left reversible.

I can't quite agree with the second part of your statement, though. I'm an evolutionist and a materialist (at least tentatively), and I don't feel any particular need to propagate my genes. (I sure do have a hell of a sex drive, though. ;))
Your sex drive is evidence of your desire to propagate your species, whether or not you wish to admit it.

[Vindex]

I believe we should be looking at how to repair and perfect the DNA instead. Then within a generation we can have a race of healthy, higher beings in general. The old ways made sense at the level of science they where on. But we have advanced to a place that benefits all and allows for a more caring way.

[KerguelenExileDissident]

Well we better started sterilizing quickly because the trashy genetics are breeding out of control and nonstop with support of our government. Eventually this unsustainable will collapse this entire system because it will be too full of retards to keep the country afloat.

[Angler]

Your sex drive is evidence of your desire to propagate your species, whether or not you wish to admit it.The sex drive doesn't result from any conscious (or perhaps even unconscious) desire to propagate the species. The sex drive is simply the result of genes that cause us to feel attraction to the other sex and that make sex very pleasurable. But the reason we have those genes is, of course, because organisms that don't have them are quickly selected out of the gene pool.

Consider the lower animals. They're driven to have sex, but I'd wager that few if any of those animals have any idea that sex produces children. To them, sex is just something they instinctively "feel" they need and that feels good. I don't think the human sex drive is much different, though we understand that sex can produce children and can take some amount of control over whether that happens.

[limn]

The problem with sterilizing "criminals" is that the term often applies to some of the best and bravest people to walk the earth. Just because something is a "crime" in the law books doesn't mean it's wrong.


I can see how your argument would apply to Western society prior to succumbing to Islam where pedophillia is generally detested by populations as well as governments, unlike those who live under Shria law who are complicit to the child marriages in their milieu. Purging sexual devients from the genepool today will make for fewer pedophiles in the future when Muslims become a dominant force in society. If Nuremberg laws were applied retroactively there'd be that many more jews on the planet. I'd go so far to wager that more Mao's and Stalin's are killed in Planned Parenthood daily than these Ubermensch you allude to. The glass is half empty where eugenics takes priority.

[Stoic_Cynic]

Also, it would cut down on prison rape.That demands slow and painful death, not mere sterilization.

[Crowley]

The sex drive doesn't result from any conscious (or perhaps even unconscious) desire to propagate the species. The sex drive is simply the result of genes that cause us to feel attraction to the other sex and that make sex very pleasurable. But the reason we have those genes is, of course, because organisms that don't have them are quickly selected out of the gene pool.

Consider the lower animals. They're driven to have sex, but I'd wager that few if any of those animals have any idea that sex produces children. To them, sex is just something they instinctively "feel" they need and that feels good. I don't think the human sex drive is much different, though we understand that sex can produce children and can take some amount of control over whether that happens.

Lower animals certainly don't understand the implications of sex considering that primitive Australoids didn't either, but I think there is likely an instinct toward family creation separate from the instinct toward merely experiencing sex. For some reason in White people the instinct is asserting itself late in life. Just why Mexicans, for instance, have children almost immediately upon adulthood, and Whites wait until later in life probably has to do with harsh winters in northern European climes. Our low birthrates are actually rather typical. In the Middle Ages something like 30% of White women chose not to have children at all, the others had roughly 8 children, 2 or 3 of which would have survived.

[limn]

In the Middle Ages something like 30% of White women chose not to have children at all,

Where on earth would you locate such figures?

[Lionheart]

The sex drive doesn't result from any conscious (or perhaps even unconscious) desire to propagate the species. The sex drive is simply the result of genes that cause us to feel attraction to the other sex and that make sex very pleasurable. But the reason we have those genes is, of course, because organisms that don't have them are quickly selected out of the gene pool.

Consider the lower animals. They're driven to have sex, but I'd wager that few if any of those animals have any idea that sex produces children. To them, sex is just something they instinctively "feel" they need and that feels good. I don't think the human sex drive is much different, though we understand that sex can produce children and can take some amount of control over whether that happens.
The desire is there, and it manifests itself as the libido. After all, the ultimate goal of sex is reproduction. Whether or not you consciously wish to have children makes no difference. It's like saying that you don't wish to eat while experiencing extreme hunger pangs. Which "self" do we listen to in this situation?

Furthermore, the basic urge in life is to continue living. It is to this end that we feed and continue feeding. However, the body must die and nature knows this; and so reproduction allows the life force to renew itself and remain untouched by death. It is for this reason that the desire for sex is the strongest of all urges, since it pertains not only to our individual existence, but to future generations as well.

Wise men have noticed that this process doesn't lead to any foreseeable end and that the process itself entails much suffering and stress. Consequently, strict celibacy is the first rule of any true monastic order.

[Columnist]

That demands slow and painful death, not mere sterilization.
I said castration, preemptive.

[Columnist]

Apart from that simply being wrong, how much do you think the family members of the mentally defective would like your policy? Even completely normal people -- hell, even brilliant people -- have some chance of giving birth to a retarded child, and I doubt many of them would sit well with the notion that their child would be condemned to death if he didn't pass an IQ test upon reaching a certain age. There would be shootouts in the streets over the involuntary euthanasia of innocent people (as there should be).
You cannot be too sure of that. Many families don't like the burden.

[Prybylowski]

It is for this reason that the desire for sex is the strongest of all urges, since it pertains not only to our individual existence, but to future generations as well.

Are you sure about that? I always thought that the desire to eat, sleep, defecate etc. were considerably stronger urges.

[Enigma]

If the English criminals who were sent to colonize Australia in the 1700's would have been sterilized, a nation that has produced countless political, scientific, business, and artistic geniuses would have never existed.

[Columnist]

If the English criminals who were sent to colonize Australia in the 1700's would have been sterilized, a nation that has produced countless political, scientific, business, and artistic geniuses would have never existed.
This would undermine whole HBD/hereditarianism.:gone:

[Ernest]

Most people were transported to Australia for quite trivial crimes really. A socialist might argue that their only crime was being poor. I think the racial quality of most of the transportees was far above most of the welfare 3rd-generation underclass crims today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convicts_in_Australia#Reasons_for_transportation

Thanks to the Bloody Code, by the 1770s, there were 222 crimes in Britain which carried the death penalty, almost all of them for crimes against property. Many even included offences such as the stealing of goods worth over 5 shillings, the cutting down of a tree, stealing an animal or stealing from a rabbit warren. For example, Michael Hammond and his sister, Ann, whose ages were given as 7 and 11, were reportedly hanged at King's Lynn on Wednesday, 28 September 1708 for theft. The local press did not consider the executions of two children newsworthy. The Bloody Code died out in the 1800s because judges and juries thought that punishments were too harsh. Since the law makers still wanted punishments to scare potential criminals, but needed them to become less harsh, transportation became the more common punishment

[Lionheart]

Are you sure about that? I always thought that the desire to eat, sleep, defecate etc. were considerably stronger urges.
People rarely have the level of passion for eating as they do for romantic love.

[cerberus]

People who oppose eugenics act like dumb and cruel animals without compassion. They do so because it is in the inborn (animalistic) nature of humans to cowardly advert eyes from misery and whatever they find disturbing.


All things like this start with "good intentions" , "best interests at heart" and " to relieve suffering" ....this is the thin end of the wedge , what you end up with is a monster so removed from the initial ideals that it is unrecognisable.

[Longinus]

All things like this start with "good intentions" , "best interests at heart" and " to relieve suffering" ....this is the thin end of the wedge , what you end up with is a monster so removed from the initial ideals that it is unrecognisable.

This is the good description of current "humanitarian" system opposed to eugenics which is so monstrous in effect that it brings the very sincerity of "good intentions" under scrutiny.

[Longinus]

Are "humanitarians" really humanitarians or are they really dishonest neocolonialists and modern slavers disguised as marxists and hippies with objective to enslave objects of their fake charity?

FtNfCHjIHow

[sugartits]

"Should we sterilize criminals"

Yes! Free birth control! that would be grand!

[Ernest]

So Sugartits you are like this badass anarchist petty-criminal chick now huh, that's pretty hardcore, do you have an alternative hairstyle too? Maybe like the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo style if you think you could pull it off that's got pretty popular lately. Bringing disorder to the streets of central Canada :jam: Yeah!

Do you start shit with other girls you see out at night too 'cause that would be awesome. In your leather jacket. Anyway I believe you can't have kids at least it's unwise w/ your condition right? So why not make it official? Better to burn out than fade away.

[sugartits]

I was referring to male sterilization.

yet that could mean more guys bullshitting about having an extensive criminal record to get outta using a rubber.

"I'm pregnant....that bastard, was never in jail!!!!"

[Member 198]

Better to burn out than fade away.

This particular sentence is quite hilarious, considering that sugartits previously had a fling with Fade. :rofl:

[Ernest]

I just watched 'Event Horizon'.

[Kilted Blob Chaser]

Well, here's another try. The Czech government allegedly carried out a covert campaign to sterilize genetic criminals:

http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/08_08/08_04_08/080408_czech.htm

...week of activism at a large women’s rights conference in Madrid. Together with some of the Ostrava survivors and staff of the European Roma Rights Centre, I had been collecting signatures on postcards calling for the Czech, Hungarian and Slovak governments to redress these violations. Curious to see the news, I turned on CNN — and almost fell over with surprise. A promo spot announced that the documentary Trial of a Child Denied, about the coercive sterilizations in the Czech Republic, would be airing as part of the network’s “World’s Untold Stories” series. Having been closely involved in assisting the producers of this film, I was overjoyed to see their work reaching the world...

Propaganda videos of Gypsie "victims":

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2010/06/28/wus.scars.of.racism.hatred.bk.a.cnn

The ananymous photo they don't want anybody to download:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7758/fuckwitssisters.jpg

[Columnist]

Well, here's another try. The Czech government allegedly carried out a covert campaign to sterilize genetic criminals:

http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/08_08/08_04_08/080408_czech.htm



Propaganda videos of Gypsie "victims":

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2010/06/28/wus.scars.of.racism.hatred.bk.a.cnn

The ananymous photo they don't want anybody to download:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7758/fuckwitssisters.jpg
Women are the limiting factor in reproduction. Sterilization of females makes more sense than sterilizing males. Also, vasectomy causes health problems.

[Gregz]

Forced sterilization is only applicable to dysgenic populations, that can not be trusted to control their demographic growth.


Today the world leader in eugenics is China.

Local officials aim to sterilize 9559 people by 26 April, some against their will, in a drive to meet family planning targets in Puning City, Guangdong Province, southern China.

According to reports in the Chinese media, on 7 April the local authorities in Puning City began a special campaign to sterilize people who already have at least one child, to ensure that local birth control quotas are met. The local authorities claim that by the end of 11 April, the 20-day campaign had already met 50 per cent of its target. A local doctor, quoted in the Chinese media, said that his team was working from 8am until 4am the next day performing surgeries for sterilization. Local reports suggest at least some people are not freely consenting to being sterilized. Amnesty International considers forced sterilizations carried out by officials to amount to torture and the haste of the procedures raises questions about their safety and possible health impacts.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA17/016/2010/en/9faa93c7-8c51-4eec-9594-dbe65bb7a121/asa170162010en.html

Amnesty International are a satanic organization, who would no doubt have the Chinese die on mass of famine.

[Gregz]

No, they should be euthanised instead.

Only in border-line cases should they be sterilised.

The enthusia of mentally handicapped persons or criminals is unacceptable and you are advocating mass murder.

[Universe-Hun]

I voted "Yes". But as far as criminals go, the person's family tree would have to be riddled with an criminal element, before it becomes justified to sterilize them.