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Macrobius
07-03-2010, 08:13 AM
Probably been around a bit, but worth documenting in the Zig.

Website has music and is not entirely safe for work, as one might expect given the nature of Kubrik's typical work.

http://www.youreyeswideshut.com/

New Dawner
07-03-2010, 09:40 AM
From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley Kubrick faked the Moon Landing footage (not because the United States lacked the ability and never went, but because of what was there) - and attained for himself the right to make any film he wanted with no interference, only his final film "Eyes Wide Shut" being edited, and after his death at that. Weidner's contention is that Kubrick went too far, and cut too close to home (in Eyes Wide Shut) in terms of what kinds of activities these secret societies were up to. This, combined with all the ways he sneaked into his films clues of his complicity in the Moon Landing hoax - is why he was assassinated, Weidner believes.

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIId.html


In the film 'Wag the Dog' Dustin Hoffman plays a movie producer hired by the CIA to 'fake an event'. His name in the movie is Stanley. In that movie 'Stanley' mysteriously dies after telling everyone that he wants to take credit for the 'event' that he helped fake.

Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers. It is rumored that they were very upset concerning that film. They wanted Kubrick to re-edit the film but he refused. I personally was in France when Stanley died and I saw, on French television, outtakes from the forthcoming Eyes Wide Shut. I saw outtakes from several scenes that were never in the finished film.

Warner Brothers has even come out and admitted that they re-edited the film. To this day they refuse to release a DVD of Stanley Kubrick's cut. Not only is this a direct violation of the agreement that Kubrick had with Warner Brothers but also it means that we will probably never see the un-edited version of this film.

One has to wonder what was cut out?

And finally:

Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 th 1999.

Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release.

July 16 th 1999 is exactly 30 years to the day that Apollo 11 was launched.

Happy Fortieth Anniversary Stanley. Now you can rest in peace.

Broader context

How Stanley Kubrick
Faked the Apollo Moon Landings:
Or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Lies.
Alchemical Kubrick II http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

Secrets of The Shining:

Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.
http://jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html

Jake Featherston
07-03-2010, 12:33 PM
From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley Kubrick faked the Moon Landing footage (not because the United States lacked the ability and never went, but because of what was there) - and attained for himself the right to make any film he wanted with no interference, only his final film "Eyes Wide Shut" being edited, and after his death at that. Weidner's contention is that Kubrick went too far, and cut too close to home (in Eyes Wide Shut) in terms of what kinds of activities these secret societies were up to. This, combined with all the ways he sneaked into his films clues of his complicity in the Moon Landing hoax - is why he was assassinated, Weidner believes.

Interesting, but...I'm pretty sure we really went to the Moon in 1969.

I saw that movie in the theater like a week after it first came out, and I would love to see the unedited version (not that I'm holding my breath).

Ubu
07-03-2010, 05:54 PM
Interesting, but...I'm pretty sure we really went to the Moon in 1969. :rolleyes:

That's our Simple Jake, always gullibly falling for state propaganda and official lies, no matter how absurd.

von Sternberg
07-03-2010, 07:38 PM
Rob Ager's Collative Learning is another site with analysis of Kubrick's works (and those of others)
http://www.collativelearning.com/FILMS%20reviews%20BY%20ROB%20AGER.html

New Dawner
07-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Interesting, but...I'm pretty sure we really went to the Moon in 1969.

I saw that movie in the theater like a week after it first came out, and I would love to see the unedited version (not that I'm holding my breath).

Weidner has the same position that I do, that they already had far more advanced craft by then capable of going to the Moon. The problem, however, was the sheer high-tech nature of these vehicles (flying saucers, basically). In order to keep up appearances, to show they were "beating the Soviets" in the space race, but to still keep their cards close to their chest in terms of the actual level of technology at that time, they could have simply sent up into orbit mind-controlled astronauts, who then came back down again and were programmed to forget everything that had transpired (screen memories in their place). Of course, they may have gone all the way to the Moon (with Apollo 11, etc), but the point here is the deception, the presenting of a false view of the Moon. It was well within their means to make sure that the public only got to see the footage and images they wanted them to see, a possible mixture of real, heavily edited and outright fake. It would make it almost if not completely impossible for anomalies regarding the true nature of the Moon (in terms of actual colour, atmosphere, flora, fauna, artificial structures) to slip through the net.

This subject aside (there's a never-ending thread devoted to it, afterall), it is an interesting theory that Kubrick was actually whacked for going too far in Eyes Wide Shut, and for his refusal to edit anything out.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Probably been around a bit, but worth documenting in the Zig.

Website has music and is not entirely safe for work, as one might expect given the nature of Kubrik's typical work.

http://www.youreyeswideshut.com/

That site is the product of our very own Phorite (and Croatian-Canadian) Alex De Large.

Ace Rimmer
07-03-2010, 10:32 PM
That site is the product of our very own Phorite (and Croatian-Canadian) Alex De Large.

Here is another interesting one from the same author.

http://aidd.org/

Stoic_Cynic
07-03-2010, 10:49 PM
Weidner has the same position that I do, that they already had far more advanced craft by then capable of going to the Moon.My position is that the Germans beat them to it. Even now, Earth is under the eye of the Nazi moon-colonies...

New Dawner
07-03-2010, 11:14 PM
My position is that the Germans beat them to it. Even now, Earth is under the eye of the Nazi moon-colonies...

Oh, I agree the Germans beat them to it.

The problem with that other point is the sheer logistics of them maintaining and defending themselves throughout the decades. It stands to reason they would eventually get exhausted by the secret government/s, black projects from the time of project paperclip onwards. Of course, they may have had or continue to have bases here on Earth but once again, how do they stay abreast of all the technological advances made by the Americans - a flying saucer using extremely exotic physics could still be possibly downed by an EM pulse weapon, etc. Perhaps many if not all of these Nazi post-war bases have been co-opted into the Illuminati order, as vassals of some sort. Or maybe they came under the protection of some other group?

There is another possibility, however - that it's a mutually-assured-destruction scenario similar to the cold war, and so even though they are completely out-gunned conventionally they have something like nuclear weapons and the means of deploying them.

Stoic_Cynic
07-03-2010, 11:46 PM
Oh, I agree the Germans beat them to it.

The problem with that other point is the sheer logistics of them maintaining and defending themselves throughout the decades. It stands to reason they would eventually get exhausted by the secret government/s, black projects from the time of project paperclip onwards. Of course, they may have had or continue to have bases here on Earth but once again, how do they stay abreast of all the technological advances made by the Americans - a flying saucer using extremely exotic physics could still be possibly downed by an EM pulse weapon, etc. Perhaps many if not all of these Nazi post-war bases have been co-opted into the Illuminati order, as vassals of some sort. Or maybe they came under the protection of some other group?

There is another possibility, however - that it's a mutually-assured-destruction scenario similar to the cold war, and so even though they are completely out-gunned conventionally they have something like nuclear weapons and the means of deploying them.You know I was being sarcastic, right?

New Dawner
07-04-2010, 01:30 AM
You know I was being sarcastic, right?

No I took the statement at face value.

Stoic_Cynic
07-04-2010, 02:09 AM
No I took the statement at face value.Ah, well... that was dashedly good of you, I suppose...

Hermetic
07-04-2010, 02:39 AM
I believe the moon landing was real, just a lot was removed from the photo's. I watched that Ryan fellow claim that a source told him ET's helped them with it. And they have bases on Mar's with jump gate tech to get there.

Gregz
07-04-2010, 02:59 AM
My position is that the Germans beat them to it. Even now, Earth is under the eye of the Nazi moon-colonies...



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Ixion
07-04-2010, 03:31 AM
You do realise that "Dark Side of the Moon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(documentary)) is a parody, right?

From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley Kubrick faked the Moon Landing footage (not because the United States lacked the ability and never went, but because of what was there) - and attained for himself the right to make any film he wanted with no interference, only his final film "Eyes Wide Shut" being edited, and after his death at that. Weidner's contention is that Kubrick went too far, and cut too close to home (in Eyes Wide Shut) in terms of what kinds of activities these secret societies were up to. This, combined with all the ways he sneaked into his films clues of his complicity in the Moon Landing hoax - is why he was assassinated, Weidner believes.

http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIId.html



Broader context

How Stanley Kubrick
Faked the Apollo Moon Landings:
Or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Lies.
Alchemical Kubrick II http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

Secrets of The Shining:

Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.
http://jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html

New Dawner
07-04-2010, 03:40 AM
You do realise that "Dark Side of the Moon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(documentary)) is a parody, right?

Of course they would make a parody about it. So that whenever the topic is mentioned, this mockumentary can be brought out, creating a general mood of levity and tendency to dismiss the concept, not take it seriously. I am not saying that is the reason, necessarily, for why that particular mockumentary was made. But it fits.

Ixion
07-04-2010, 03:44 AM
Of course they would make a parody about it. So that whenever the topic is mentioned, this mockumentary can be brought out, creating a general mood of levity and tendency to dismiss the concept, not take it seriously. I am not saying that is the reason, necessarily, for why that particular mockumentary was made. But it fits.
"Dark Side of the Moon" is the origin of this particular moon landing conspiracy theory.

von Sternberg
07-04-2010, 03:44 AM
http://www.eeggs.com/items/30914.html
Echoes (Pink Floyd) Easter Egg - Echoes/ 2001 Final Scene Sync
(Webmaster's Note: This may be controversial, but it sounds more plausable to me than the Wizard of Oz sync with Dark Side of the Moon, so I'm posting it and you can decide for yourself.)

I was reading a book called "Saucerful of Secrets; a Pink Floyd Odyssey" (a must-have for any Floyd fan!), and it breifly discussed how when film maker Stanley Kubrick was making 2001, a Space Odyssey, he asked the band to contribute to a predominate part of the sound track. I don't know exactly what or how much he wanted them to do, but obviously, they turned him down. Roger Waters had been quotes as saying that this was one of the few career moves he ever made that he "truly regretted". 2001 was released in 1968, and Meddle was released in 1971. I'm syre you can do the math.

Now, getting to the point (finally), if you pay attention to times, you will see that Echoes is about 23 minutes long, as is the final scene of 2001. After Dave shuts down Hal and the screen goes black and a title screen comes up, you should have your cd player set with Echoes on pause. Right when the title fades, start the cd. The first "ding" in the song should correspond with the first image on the screen i believe, is the monolith. Once you get it matched up, sit back and enjoy the ride.

While i do enjoy the Dark Side/Wizard of Oz sync, it pales greatly in comparison with this one, at least in my opinion. good luck to you all!

New Dawner
07-04-2010, 03:48 AM
"Dark Side of the Moon" is the origin of this particular moon landing conspiracy theory.

You have no way of ascertaining that. You almost certainly haven't even looked at Jay Weidner's articles about this topic, which are very interesting to say the least.

Even if, hypothetically, nobody had spoken a breath about the concept of Kubrick faking the Moon Landing/s prior to that mockumentary - there is a such thing as pre-emption. Pre-emptive ridicule of a particular subject, notion etc before it even percolates up to the surface in terms of the mass consciousness.

Ixion
07-04-2010, 03:56 AM
The purpose of these conspiracy theories is to rob America of the glory of landing on the moon.

von Sternberg
07-04-2010, 04:04 AM
more from Jay Weidner: http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo
Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers. It is rumored that they were very upset concerning that film. They wanted Kubrick to re-edit the film but he refused. I personally was in France when Stanley died and I saw, on French television, outtakes from the forthcoming Eyes Wide Shut. I saw outtakes from several scenes that were never in the finished film.

Warner Brothers has even come out and admitted that they re-edited the film. To this day they refuse to release a DVD of Stanley Kubrick's cut. Not only is this a direct violation of the agreement that Kubrick had with Warner Brothers, but it also means that we will probably never see the un-edited version of this film.

One has to wonder what was cut out?

And finally:

Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16th, 1999.

Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release.

July 16th, 1999 is exactly 30 years to the day that Apollo 11 was launched.

Happy Fortieth Anniversary, Stanley. Now you can rest in peace.

New Dawner
07-04-2010, 04:04 AM
The purpose of these conspiracy theories is to rob America of the glory of landing on the moon.

Of course. All of these conspiracy theories in regard to this subject must have some other agenda besides the pursuit of Truth. All of them!

Stoic_Cynic
07-04-2010, 04:05 AM
The purpose of these conspiracy theories is to rob America of the glory of landing on the moon.All the more so since the technical know-how to keep the intense solar radiation outside of low orbit from killing astronauts was apparently lost sometime back in the '70s... :rolleyes:

von Sternberg
07-04-2010, 04:12 AM
Freemasonry: “When man reaches new worlds, Masonry will be there.” (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?tag=apollo-program)

Sunday, July 19th, 2009 - by Terry Melanson

The above was a quote from the December 1969 issue of the The New Age Magazine, the official magazine of the Supreme Council 33 A.&A. Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction, Washington, D.C. (See the details here.) (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=24)Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr., 32, visited the Scottish Rite headquarters at the House of the Temple in Washington, September 16, 1969, after the historic moon landing of Apollo 11, and brought back the Freemasonic flag that he took with him to the moon. (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/flagtomoon2.jpg)

The Apollo program was rife with Masons; they were proud of being involved, and weren’t shy about advertising the fact.

In the November 1969 edition of The New Age Magazine, there is an extensive article by Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, 33, the Manager of the Apollo Program Command and Service Modules; Deputy Manager, Gemini Program; Manager, Project Mercury.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/masons-on-the-moon-214x300.jpg
Notice the symbolism of the issue as well - Vol. 77, No. 11.
On page 13, we read:

Note how many of the astronauts themselves are Brother Masons: Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr.; L. Gordon Cooper, Jr.; Donn F. Eisle; Walter M. Schirra; Thomas P. Stafford; Edgar D. Mitchell, and Paul J. Weitz. Before his tragic death in a flash fire at Cape Kennedy on January 27, 1967, Virgil I. “Gus” Grissom was a Mason, too. Astronaut Gordon Cooper, during his epochal Gemini V spaceflight in August of 1965, carried with him an official Thirty-third Degree Jewel and a Scottish Rite flag. Via the lunar plaque, the Masonic ensignia and flag, and the Masonic astronauts themselves – Masonry already is in the space age. Can we doubt Freemasonry and its spiritual relevance to the modern era when even its material representatives have today made historic inroads into the infinite expanses of outer space?(more) (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=2573)

Columnist
07-04-2010, 08:20 AM
Oh, I agree the Germans beat them to it.

The problem with that other point is the sheer logistics of them maintaining and defending themselves throughout the decades. It stands to reason they would eventually get exhausted by the secret government/s, black projects from the time of project paperclip onwards. Of course, they may have had or continue to have bases here on Earth but once again, how do they stay abreast of all the technological advances made by the Americans - a flying saucer using extremely exotic physics could still be possibly downed by an EM pulse weapon, etc. Perhaps many if not all of these Nazi post-war bases have been co-opted into the Illuminati order, as vassals of some sort. Or maybe they came under the protection of some other group?

There is another possibility, however - that it's a mutually-assured-destruction scenario similar to the cold war, and so even though they are completely out-gunned conventionally they have something like nuclear weapons and the means of deploying them.
Some say the Illuminatie funded the Nazis to get rid of the commoner Jews.

La Cosa Blanca
07-04-2010, 08:31 AM
Way to ruin a good thread on Masonism by bringing up that dumbass Jay Weidner...

Aryans living on Mars while using Earth humans as slave labour! :tard2:


What do you mean I can't park here?
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3261/scoutship2.jpg

New Dawner
07-04-2010, 08:42 AM
Way to ruin a good thread on Masonism by bringing up that dumbass Jay Weidner...

Aryans living on Mars while using Earth humans as slave labour! :tard2:



I never said I agree with everything Weidner says, nor anybody for that matter.

La Cosa Blanca
07-04-2010, 08:57 AM
I never said I agree with everything Weidner says, nor anybody for that matter.

If severely wrong on one thing... (yoda)

Seriously, it is like hiring a blind sniper to perform a hit and then plainly stating your victim is as good as dead.

Hermetic
07-04-2010, 01:44 PM
What is your view on icke and collier claim the moon is artifical?

You have no way of ascertaining that. You almost certainly haven't even looked at Jay Weidner's articles about this topic, which are very interesting to say the least.

Even if, hypothetically, nobody had spoken a breath about the concept of Kubrick faking the Moon Landing/s prior to that mockumentary - there is a such thing as pre-emption. Pre-emptive ridicule of a particular subject, notion etc before it even percolates up to the surface in terms of the mass consciousness.

New Dawner
07-05-2010, 12:32 AM
What is your view on icke and collier claim the moon is artifical?

I think there may be something to it. I bought Icke's latest book (the best he has ever written) and he brings together the various arguments already made about this subject and expands upon them giving his own unique contribution. Barbara Marciniak also talks about this in her allegedly channeled work, and insists that there is some sort of malign signal being broadcast from there and that it has to be either switched off, or the broadcast altered, replaced.

The main problem with the whole theory is that according to mainstream physics, without the Moon there wouldn't be complex life here or something like that but they have been wrong before. For all they know, there is no dark matter and dark energy, and therefore the weakness of gravity subsequently renders the earth and the sun hollow (and the sun more like a light bulb that a fusion reactor, within an "electric universe" model) and things on Earth were a-okay before the Moon was artificially placed here so many years ago etc. Empiricism goes both ways, and a lot of their stuff is just theories.

Alternatively, maybe the moon was artificially placed here billions of years ago.

The Zulu legend about the Moon that Icke mentions is very interesting. It says that two chitauri Gods were are brothers (the chitauri are described as reptilian shapeshifter beings, by Cred Mutwa, head shaman of the Zulu nation) hollowed out an egg that they stole from a dragon and they rolled it across the sky. Once it arrived over Earth, earthquakes and things of this nature resulted, and they told the humans that if they did not behave, they would move the Moon around, thus causing more chaos and death.

New Dawner
07-05-2010, 12:42 AM
If severely wrong on one thing... (yoda)

Seriously, it is like hiring a blind sniper to perform a hit and then plainly stating your victim is as good as dead.

This is a really straw man argument. I bet you haven't read Weidner's articles about Kubrick and probably never will. People can be completely wrong about some things and then partially right about others and then completely right about other things.

Way to ruin a good thread on Masonism by bringing up that dumbass Jay Weidner...

Aryans living on Mars while using Earth humans as slave labour!

I don't find the association of Aryans and Mars that odd at all, actually. I do disagree with Weidner's particular "cryptoterrestrial thesis", however.

Midgaard
07-06-2010, 08:07 PM
Well if an African witchdoctor says its so it must be...:blackface: :tard2:

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 09:05 PM
A Google search for "Chitauri" has this as it's top result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrull

The Skrulls are a fictional race of extraterrestrial shapeshifters that appear in publications by Marvel Comics.

Publication history

The Skrulls first appeared in Fantastic Four #2 (Jan. 1962) and were created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

Millions of years ago, the Celestials performed genetic experiments on the reptilian ancestors of the Skrulls, resulting in three branches of Skrulls that eventually warred with one another. The Deviant branch — possessing the innate ability to shapeshift — were triumphant, and afterward wiped out all members of the other two races until only two were left: the Skrull Eternal, Kly'bn and Prime Skrull of the original Skrull race...

...The Deviant branch later split into two more groups, the modern Skrulls and an anomaly called the Dire Wraiths, a parasitic race that could still shapeshift and had use of magic, but were not as technologically advanced as the Skrulls.

Appearance and abilities

Skrulls are green-skinned reptilian humanoids with large pointed ears, red or green eyes, and corrugated chins. Skrulls are known for genetic and molecular instability, and genetic diversity, due to Celestial experimentation creating the Skrull "Deviants" (now the only surviving Skrulls). The Skrulls are known for their physical malleability and ability to shapeshift to any size, shape, or color at will, taking on the appearance but not the characteristics of other beings and objects within a volume range of .75 to 1.5 times the Skrull's original volume. Skrulls are able to assume virtually any form, be it organic (e.g. cows [8]) or inorganic (e.g. lamp [31]). As a result, the Skrulls excel at spying and infiltration...


Fast-forward to some sort of Marvel re-boot in the 2000s, where the article mentions the Chitauri...

Ultimate Skrulls

The first alien shapeshifters introduced in the Ultimate Marvel Universe are known on Earth as the Chitauri, who financed the Nazi regime in an attempt to conquer the Earth.:jew: Their leader Herr Kleiser states that they are called by other names on various worlds, including the name "Skrull". These Chitauri claim to originate in the "lower fourth dimension", and assume others' forms by devouring them; it is unknown what their true form looks like, since the only time one of them is shown in it is after it has been killed and dissected. The Chitauri have a hivelike social order, with the "officer caste" having superhuman strength, durability and high intelligence. They are defeated by the Ultimates.[97]

Another race called Skrulls, physically resembling the Skrulls of the mainstream Marvel universe appear later (led by the billion year old Skrull Emperor); these Skrulls dislike being confused with the Chitauri, whom they call terrorists.[98] They have extremely advanced technology, but have not been observed to shapeshift. These Skrulls were seen only in an alternate timeline in which Reed Richards contacted their world via his teleporter; the events leading to that timeline were altered in Ultimate Fantastic Four #29 so that contact was never made.


Surprise, surprise - Jewy Marvel not missing an opportunity to put their spin on it.

Hermetic
07-06-2010, 09:06 PM
With Credo I believe it's telling a mixed bag of literalized alchemy and some ET stuff. As the symbols on his Zulu necklace are alchemical. The two Gods could easly be the dual aspects of the Serpent power meeting at the 6th center which is ruled by the Moon in alchemly.

I think there may be something to it. I bought Icke's latest book (the best he has ever written) and he brings together the various arguments already made about this subject and expands upon them giving his own unique contribution. Barbara Marciniak also talks about this in her allegedly channeled work, and insists that there is some sort of malign signal being broadcast from there and that it has to be either switched off, or the broadcast altered, replaced.

The main problem with the whole theory is that according to mainstream physics, without the Moon there wouldn't be complex life here or something like that but they have been wrong before. For all they know, there is no dark matter and dark energy, and therefore the weakness of gravity subsequently renders the earth and the sun hollow (and the sun more like a light bulb that a fusion reactor, within an "electric universe" model) and things on Earth were a-okay before the Moon was artificially placed here so many years ago etc. Empiricism goes both ways, and a lot of their stuff is just theories.

Alternatively, maybe the moon was artificially placed here billions of years ago.

The Zulu legend about the Moon that Icke mentions is very interesting. It says that two chitauri Gods were are brothers (the chitauri are described as reptilian shapeshifter beings, by Cred Mutwa, head shaman of the Zulu nation) hollowed out an egg that they stole from a dragon and they rolled it across the sky. Once it arrived over Earth, earthquakes and things of this nature resulted, and they told the humans that if they did not behave, they would move the Moon around, thus causing more chaos and death.

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 09:16 PM
With Credo I believe it's telling a mixed bag of literalized alchemy and some ET stuff. As the symbols on his Zulu necklace are alchemical. The two Gods could easly be the dual aspects of the Serpent power meeting at the 6th center which is ruled by the Moon in alchemly.

Could be the case, I don't regard him as disinfo, at any rate. Misinfo? It's probably a mixed bag (like you said) of truth and misinfo when all is said and done. Credo claims that the Chitauri forbade people to make any likenesses of them by way of drawings or sculpture etc (I could've sworn I heard about a Sumerian legend that says the same thing??). Also, another interesting piece of lore he said which will sound ludicruous to many but you can probably see this resonates true (whether one regards it as useful advice or not!) - he also says that whenever a husband and wife spot a Chitauri in the wilderness, etc they have been taught to start having sex on the spot, as this provides energy for the being and it will be pleased and reduce the chances of it attacking them.

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 09:31 PM
I believe the moon landing was real, just a lot was removed from the photo's. I watched that Ryan fellow claim that a source told him ET's helped them with it. And they have bases on Mar's with jump gate tech to get there.

Is that Bill Ryan?

La Cosa Blanca
07-06-2010, 09:33 PM
http://i.imgur.com/F5dzF.gif

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 09:37 PM
Here is another interesting one from the same author.

http://aidd.org/

This chart is good http://aidd.org/images/illuminati-table-01.jpg but Nation-States would, realistically speaking, be further towards the bottom of the chart.

Hermetic
07-06-2010, 10:09 PM
Chitauri simply means Children of the Serpent. Which is in my view another term for Brotherhood of the Serpent. Which was the original evolved class of beings set up by EA on Earth. Who job was to teach the science of enlightenment/apotheosis. To humanity.

I do believe it's jumble of things all mixed together and meanings lost. That and blacks are the most superstitious group on the planet.

Could be the case, I don't regard him as disinfo, at any rate. Misinfo? It's probably a mixed bag (like you said) of truth and misinfo when all is said and done. Credo claims that the Chitauri forbade people to make any likenesses of them by way of drawings or sculpture etc (I could've sworn I heard about a Sumerian legend that says the same thing??). Also, another interesting piece of lore he said which will sound ludicruous to many but you can probably see this resonates true (whether one regards it as useful advice or not!) - he also says that whenever a husband and wife spot a Chitauri in the wilderness, etc they have been taught to start having sex on the spot, as this provides energy for the being and it will be pleased and reduce the chances of it attacking them.

Hermetic
07-06-2010, 10:11 PM
And his pal David Wilcreep creature. And it seems others as it has taken on a life of it's own. Going back to the 90's it seems Collier views are the major base that Wilcreep and others have been taking from.


Is that Bill Ryan?

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 10:21 PM
And his pal David Wilcreep creature. And it seems others as it has taken on a life of it's own.

The problem is that you get these untrustworthy sorts like Basiago who claim to be some sort of former black ops person etc. Basiago said he was trained since being a child to "jump" to Mars. Also, that he was destined to fulfill some incredible thing later in life - which consisted of this shitty pdf document espousing proof of life on Mars, and it's simply a bunch of blurry close-ups of that image that the "humanlike figure" is seen in, showing that particular apelike figure and then showing other odd but rather blurry and inconclusive features. The whole thing stinks to high hell of disinfo like the sort that Jew Swerdlow peddles (there's this moronic Negroid on youtube who believes everything he says lol), the whole point being to say what other people are saying (ie. Basiago talking about Mars, Jump Gates, Time Travel etc where others who may be legit say similar things) so that they end up smearing these subjects with the malignant aura of their own fraudulence. Should we expect anything less from Cointelpro?

Their disinfo swill does the rounds and before you know it, it's espoused as gospel by some (like the eternally naive Alfred Webre).

New Dawner
07-06-2010, 10:21 PM
And his pal David Wilcreep creature. And it seems others as it has taken on a life of it's own. Going back to the 90's it seems Collier views are the major base that Wilcreep and others have been taking from.

Notice how Bill Ryan has creepy black eyes, incidentally?

Hermetic
07-06-2010, 10:38 PM
I take all claims made with a mountain of salt. I note there is a formula all these people follow. They all have sources ie claims and require more faith on their word then anything. Or claim to have been military black operations and can't even present a pair of Dog tags or anything to prove they where ever even in the military.


I did find this one interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWfpORZOpjk

The problem is that you get these untrustworthy sorts like Basiago who claim to be some sort of former black ops person etc. Basiago said he was trained since being a child to "jump" to Mars. Also, that he was destined to fulfill some incredible thing later in life - which consisted of this shitty pdf document espousing proof of life on Mars, and it's simply a bunch of blurry close-ups of that image that the "humanlike figure" is seen in, showing that particular apelike figure and then showing other odd but rather blurry and inconclusive features. The whole thing stinks to high hell of disinfo like the sort that Jew Swerdlow peddles (there's this moronic Negroid on youtube who believes everything he says lol), the whole point being to say what other people are saying (ie. Basiago talking about Mars, Jump Gates, Time Travel etc where others who may be legit say similar things) so that they end up smearing these subjects with the malignant aura of their own fraudulence. Should we expect anything less from Cointelpro?

Their disinfo swill does the rounds and before you know it, it's espoused as gospel by some (like the eternally naive Alfred Webre).

Hermetic
07-06-2010, 10:44 PM
Yes with a powerful stare.


Notice how Bill Ryan has creepy black eyes, incidentally?

Alien Settler
07-11-2010, 09:35 PM
I think there may be something to it. I bought Icke's latest book (the best he has ever written) and he brings together the various arguments already made about this subject and expands upon them giving his own unique contribution. Barbara Marciniak also talks about this in her allegedly channeled work, and insists that there is some sort of malign signal being broadcast from there and that it has to be either switched off, or the broadcast altered, replaced.

The main problem with the whole theory is that according to mainstream physics, without the Moon there wouldn't be complex life here or something like that but they have been wrong before. For all they know, there is no dark matter and dark energy, and therefore the weakness of gravity subsequently renders the earth and the sun hollow (and the sun more like a light bulb that a fusion reactor, within an "electric universe" model) and things on Earth were a-okay before the Moon was artificially placed here so many years ago etc. Empiricism goes both ways, and a lot of their stuff is just theories.

Alternatively, maybe the moon was artificially placed here billions of years ago.

The Zulu legend about the Moon that Icke mentions is very interesting. It says that two chitauri Gods were are brothers (the chitauri are described as reptilian shapeshifter beings, by Cred Mutwa, head shaman of the Zulu nation) hollowed out an egg that they stole from a dragon and they rolled it across the sky. Once it arrived over Earth, earthquakes and things of this nature resulted, and they told the humans that if they did not behave, they would move the Moon around, thus causing more chaos and death.




What is Icke's latest book called?

La Cosa Blanca
07-11-2010, 09:41 PM
What is Icke's latest book called?

The Power of Stupid.

New Dawner
07-12-2010, 12:50 AM
What is Icke's latest book called?

Human Race Get Off Your Knees, The Lion Sleeps No More http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246

Here's a subforum from Icke forum devoted to discussion of the new book http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=65

I've read several of his previous books, and this one is easily the best he has ever done. It goes for nearly 700 pages and he still can't fit all the information in, has to refer the reader to earlier works in a number of places. That being said, as a stand-alone work it's a real tour-de-force.

New Dawner
07-12-2010, 12:54 AM
The Power of Stupid.

We've already covered this in the shoutbox before, Usernamen. You admit to have never read any of his books and believe you still have a leg to stand on in terms of judging the value of his work. I disagree.

Alex_De_Large
07-12-2010, 04:27 AM
Kubrick was a self hating Jew. Eyes Wide Shut was a look inside the all seeing eye.

New Dawner
07-18-2010, 04:28 AM
Kubrick was a self hating Jew. Eyes Wide Shut was a look inside the all seeing eye.

So what's your thoughts about the Elite of the Elites, as it were?

There are researchers who distinguish between the Illuminati and the New World Order (such as Freeman and Jeffrey Grupp, who are both of the contention that "The Illuminati wants the New World Order to fail", Grupp's phrase); to dwell briefly upon this topic in order to bring it into greater focus as what I just said may sound rather blurry and obtuse - it is the contention of people like Grupp especially that the New World Order isn't coming, it's already here and has been here for centuries, it just takes different forms and occasionally is re-booted, crashing the old system and starting anew. Co-opting at times, as it were, the populace's striving for freedom itself, tricking them into yet another "Matrix". So the new one could have all manner of shiny accoutrements, the citizenry wearing "chains of gold" as Michael Tsarion aptly puts it.

It is notable that these "anti-New World Order" memes have entered the popular culture and discourses. Is this a purposeful co-option?

Gregz
07-18-2010, 06:06 AM
Kubrick was a self hating Jew. Eyes Wide Shut was a look inside the all seeing eye.

Masonic universalism has fundamentally little in common with Jewish self-worship. It also has to be said, that Eyes Wide Shut is not one of Kubricks better films.

Alex_De_Large
07-20-2010, 03:54 AM
You have to put Kubrick's film into the context of 1999. Boybands, Y2K and the millenium. People thought it was the end of days. Kubrick gave people a look at the Antichrist.