Germar Rudolf

[Trojan]

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200416231.pdf

Ruling from the 11th Circuit.

see also Nick Terry's summary

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

[Sulla the Dictator]

I believe the Holocaust has been established as inarguable fact. :D

[Crowley]

Yeah, it's called World War ll. 60 million people died in it.

[Der Sozialist]

I believe the Holocaust has been established as inarguable fact. :D

Sulla, what do you think was the major cause of death in these camps—pestilence, starvation, gas chambers, what?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Sulla, what do you think was the major cause of death in these camps—pestilence, starvation, gas chambers, what?

I would assume gassing/shooting/violence were the largest cause of death. The other two certainly were responsible for many deaths. The Nazis, of course, were responsible for all deaths.

[Der Sozialist]

I would assume gassing/shooting/violence were the largest cause of death. The other two certainly were responsible for many deaths. The Nazis, of course, were responsible for all deaths.

Thank you, Sulla, for taking the bait….

Holocaust means to die through fire---a bullet, bacterium, and some cyanide gas doesn’t count.

The only Holocaust during WW2 happened over the cities that were either nuked or were pelted with incendiary explosives (such as Dresden).

Now that leads to a new question---were the NAZIS immoral? No. If those Jews lived then others would be prevented from doing so (since, only a finite of resources exist on this planet).

If you kill you save—if you save you kill. There is nothing morally repugnant just the harsh reality that humans compensate by fucking like bunnies to fill in empty spaces.

I shed no tears.

Edit:

Thanks for the neg. rep Potyondi. You stripped me of a bright green gem—this means war. :p

[Sulla the Dictator]

Thank you, Sulla, for taking the bait….

Holocaust means to die through fire---a bullet, bacterium, and some cyanide gas doesn’t count.


(Sigh)

Well, if this is what Holocaust denial is reduced to, I suppose it will save me time. Since a key part of Nazi barbarism was the burning of corpses, it fits your inaccurately narrow definition.

And no, Holocaust doesn't necessarily mean death by fire. It means:

3 entries found for Holocaust.
hol·o·caust ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hl-kôst, hl-)
n.
Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.

Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II: “Israel emerged from the Holocaust and is defined in relation to that catastrophe” (Emanuel Litvinoff).

A massive slaughter: “an important document in the so-far sketchy annals of the Cambodian holocaust” (Rod Nordland).

A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames.


All of which apply to the Holocaust.

[Der Sozialist]

Since a key part of Nazi barbarism was the burning of corpses,

The definition means to die through fire—is a cremator committing a Holocaust?

The definition was modified to include the Jews—notice how it specifically mentions the Jews and no other group. Also, any dictionary before WW2 would not include that definition (‘mass killing’)—this is a fairly new addition as well to justify their original blunder—stating that Jews were baked alive.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The definition means to die through fire—is a cremator committing a Holocaust?


No it doesn't.

Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.


Not limited to.


The definition was modified to include the Jews


Because thats the name for the historical murder done by the Nazis.

[Der Sozialist]

No it doesn't.

Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.


Not limited to.


So you are suggesting that the definition you posted would include burning corpses—interesting.

'holos' --completely

'kaustos'-burned

Because thats the name for the historical murder done by the Nazis.

No, because they assumed that the major cause of death was through fire but later discovered this not to be the case—so, they conveniently changed the definition.

[Sulla the Dictator]

So you are suggesting that the definition you posted would include burning corpses—interesting.

'holos' --completely

'kaustos'-burned


Which is what happened to the bodies.

Did you read this?

Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life


No, because they assumed that the major cause of death was through fire but later discovered this not to be the case—so, they conveniently changed the definition.

O rly? Tell us more about that.

[Der Sozialist]

Which is what happened to the bodies.

Did you read this?

Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life

I may be at a loss but how does burning corpses result in extensive loss of life?

If you are referring to the new definition—well, the Greeks would not have intended that word to be used in such a matter.

O rly? Tell us more about that.

Tell, me, Sulla—why do you think they chose the word ‘Holocaust’ instead of ‘genocide’?

[Sulla the Dictator]

I may be at a loss but how does burning corpses result in extensive loss of life?


What about the Greek word implies that one need be KILLED by fire, or that anyone needs to be killed at all? The word implies destruction.


If you are referring to the new definition—well, the Greeks would not have intended that word to be used in such a matter.


We're English speakers, not Greeks. The word means what we as English speakers define it as, in the context of our times.

By the way, we have one definition on the table. If that definition is all we're working with, this issue isn't even debatable. I'm right. :p


Tell, me, Sulla—why do you think they chose the word ‘Holocaust’ instead of ‘genocide’?

They did use the word genocide. As to the word Holocaust, I believe it was adopted by the Jews because of THIS definition:

A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames.

[cerberus]

Holocaust means to die through fire---a bullet, bacterium, and some cyanide gas doesn’t count.
Try simple murder if you are looking for a word , it says what it means.

[Crowley]

Try simple murder if you are looking for a word , it says what it means.

Imagine, murder in war time.

[cerberus]

Yes , so many infants and children , all partisans and communist agitators.
But as Himmler noted " shot as partisans" , key word being "as".