British racialists kill black youth with ice pick-axe

[Ambrosio Spinola]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-30T130245Z_01_MCC043853_RTRUKOC_0_UK-CRIME-BRITAIN-WALKER.xml

LONDON (Reuters) - The teenage brother of a British premiership footballer was found guilty on Wednesday of the murder of Anthony Walker, a black student bludgeoned to death with an axe, in what police said was a racist killing.

Michael Barton, 17, the younger brother of Manchester City player Joey Barton, had denied killing the 18-year-old college student in Huyton, near Liverpool, in July.

"This was a totally unprovoked and racially motivated attack," a spokesman for Merseyside Police said after the murder.

Earlier this month, another man Paul Taylor, 20, admitted killing Walker before his trial was due to start at Liverpool Crown Court.

Police said Walker was escorting his white girlfriend Louise Thompson, 17, to a bus stop when he was set upon by a group of youths. The attack came just minutes after he had been taunted with racist abuse.

Both Taylor and Barton fled the country following the attack but later returned to Liverpool following a televised appeal from Barton's brother.

During his trial, Michael Barton said he was not a racist and denied that the axe used to kill Walker was his.

Taylor and Barton will be sentenced later on Wednesday.

Walker's killing shocked the local community and attracted massive media attention, evoking memories of the 1993 high-profile racist killing of Stephen Lawrence in southeast London.

Both Lawrence and Walker were attacked by thugs as they waited at bus stops and both were strong students with high aspirations. Walker wanted to be a lawyer, Lawrence an architect.

Thousands of mourners crammed into Liverpool's Anglican Cathedral for his funeral.

After his death, Walker's family learnt that the teenager, a devout Christian, had gained straight A passes in his recent AS-level school exams.

Speaking before the trial, Anthony's mother Gee told Sky Television the death of the keen basketball player had left a massive void.

"We hear a ball bounce outside and we are looking...there is just this massive absence in the house," she said.

"Someone has taken a piece of my heart."

[Jimbo Gomez]

What kind of idiot returns to face murdercharges for an immigrant to the most PC country in the world?

[Ambrosio Spinola]

What a bunch of BS


The conviction of two cousins for the murder of black teenager Anthony Walker shows racism has no place in society, Merseyside's police chief has said

Mr Hogan-Howe said the case "united Merseyside"
The conviction of two cousins for the murder of black teenager Anthony Walker shows racism has no place in society, Merseyside's police chief has said.
Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe talks about the case in a monthly webcast on the police website.

He praised the Walker family's "dignity and calm" but said the brutal murder had "united the people of Merseyside".

Michael Barton and Paul Taylor were jailed for the murder, which took place in Huyton in July, on Thursday.

Michael Barton, 17, of Boundary Road, Huyton, was found guilty of his murder and will serve a minimum of 17 years and eight months.


Anthony Walker was murdered with an ice axe
Paul Taylor, 20, of Elizabeth Road, Huyton, admitted murder and must serve at least 23 years and eight months.

At Preston Crown Court, sitting in Liverpool, Mr Justice Leveson told the pair this was "a racist attack of a type poisonous to any civilised society."

Anthony's mother Gee Walker said she accepted the sentence and hoped Taylor and Barton would use their time behind bars to "reflect on what they've done".

Mr Hogan-Howe said in his video he was horrified by the what happened to Anthony, who was "a caring and devout Christian who had aspirations to become a lawyer with everything to live for".

He said he was proud of the work done by the force to convict Anthony's killers.

"It only goes to underline the fact that Merseyside Police is committed to investigating racially motivated crime.

"We would urge anyone who has suffered in any way to come forward and report it to police," he added.

[Starr]

The conviction of two cousins for the murder of black teenager Anthony Walker shows racism has no place in society, Merseyside's police chief has said

And it shows what a positive thing multi-culturalism is for all concerned.

We would urge anyone who has suffered in any way to come forward and report it to police,"

If whitey looks at your mean or hurts your feelings in any way. report it immediately. No tolerance for intolerance!

[<flame deleted>]

oversized by the media.

Anthony died 25 hours after one hit with the back of an ice axe even not the sharp side.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Its interesting, because I'd been led to believe by certain board members that racists spend MOST of their time pondering the great mysteries of life, and that the violent element was a media myth.

Cousins jailed for racist murder

The racist killers of black teenager Anthony Walker have been told they must serve minimum terms of 17 and 23 years.
Anthony, 18, was killed with an ice axe at McGoldrick Park in Huyton, Merseyside, on 29 July.

Michael Barton, 17, of Boundary Road, Huyton, who was found guilty of his murder on Wednesday, will serve a minimum of 17 years and eight months.

Paul Taylor, 20, of Elizabeth Road, Huyton, admitted murder and must serve at least 23 years and eight months.

On Thursday, Mr Justice Leveson told Taylor and Barton: "This was a racist attack of a type poisonous to any civilised society.

"In spite of your youth, deterrent sentences are vital."

He said: "This was a terrible incident and you played a full part in jointly bringing the ice axe to further your terrifying attack.

"You knew what you intended to do as you drove searching out your quarries and you crept into the park with evil on your mind."

On Wednesday Preston Crown Court, sitting in Liverpool, heard Barton shouted racist abuse at Anthony as he waited at a bus stop with cousin Marcus Binns and girlfriend, Louise Thompson.

The three walked away but Barton, whose brother is Manchester City footballer Joey Barton, and Taylor ambushed them near McGoldrick Park.

"The terror evident in Marcus Binns and Louise Thompson proves beyond all reasonable doubt that this was not simply two groups bumping into each other," Mr Justice Leveson continued.

"I am sure that the fear [the defendants] generated was deliberate and the plan was premeditated."

Marcus and Louise managed to escape but Taylor caught up with Anthony and drove the ice axe into his skull, Preston Crown Court, sitting in Liverpool heard.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41073000/jpg/_41073464_iceaxe203_pa.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4487208.stm

[Keystone]

This racial -archcriminal back and forth shit is getting ridiculous and boring.

[Sulla the Dictator]

This racial -archcriminal back and forth shit is getting ridiculous and boring.

Then you guys should stop it. Lets just denounce murderers as scum and stop trying to blame RACES for criminality.

[Keystone]

Then you guys should stop it. Lets just denounce murderers as scum and stop trying to blame RACES for criminality.
I don't consider myself part of "you guys".

I'll dispose of race as soon as everyone else does. Completely. Ready, set,...........

[il ragno]

Lets just denounce murderers as scum and stop trying to blame RACES for criminality.

I'm game.

Let's kick it off by removing all bias-crime and hate-speech laws off the books. Shoot, they only exist for one half of the population anyhow.

[Starr]

Sulla is on a role.:D

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=75166#post75166

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6410

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6408

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=75205#post75205

He doesn't want to address black crime statistics so he trots out the poor minorities killed by evil racists.:222: Since thinking in terms of race when talking about crime leads to these awful hateful events.:nono: isn't that your message?

White teens killing a black guy get 17 years minimum. How long did the black racists who chased the (jewish?) guy into traffic, while yelling racist insults at him get? 5 years. Why do you suppose it is, sulla, that when whites kill blacks it is the most evil crime imaginable and nearly everyone is shocked, and appalled. Candle light vigils are held and it is said that the hate must end! When blacks kill whites(even with the racial motive being there) it is just a regular crime, too bad, time to move on. The response from the black community to one of their own getting it is "strong" and "passionate" and they stand together as they cry about the evils of white racism. When a white person gets it, most whites either don't even care at all or they seem more concerned about how all minorities should not be judged by these actions(they of course would be the evil ones if they were to say anything different). I am reminded of those morons in Belgium that want to have a "dialogue with young criminals":rolleyes:

[Vindex]

One less invader of the West. Talking to my English family members these fucking muds have turned once Aryan England into a nightmare, they tell me there are no go zones in England created by the muds against Whites and Whites are daily attacked by evil mud vermin for being White. So after the high mount of mud on White killlings some Whites dudes get fed up and put a pick-axe in one of the trolls.....it is about time.

My English aunt who was a older widow, had to lock her house shut at night, and had regular harassment by these sub-humans. How Ironic her husband my uncle fought in the second war. He even said towards the end of his life, the wrong side won.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I'm game.

Let's kick it off by removing all bias-crime and hate-speech laws off the books. Shoot, they only exist for one half of the population anyhow.

I don't support hate speech or hate crime laws. We don't have "hate speech" laws here that I know of, anyway.

[il ragno]

No point in asking Sulla these questions. And your numbers are slightly off, Starr. The kid who shot Yusuf Hawkins got 25 years, in a charged atmosphere determined to make an example out of him.

The human piranha who chased their victim to his death will walk, on average, in under 3 years, and the politicians dependant on black votes like oxygen practically turned into red-nosed Irish cops at the mention of 'hate crime' charges. "Show's over, folks! Faith, there's nothin' ta see here! Move along or Oi'll cite yez for blockin' pedestrian traffic!"

[Sulla the Dictator]

Sulla is on a role.:D

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=75166#post75166

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6410

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6408

He doesn't want to address black crime statistics


Racists are ineligable to use black crime statistics since they reject the method and science used to gather them (Sociology).

[Keystone]

I'm game.

Let's kick it off by removing all bias-crime and hate-speech laws off the books. Shoot, they only exist for one half of the population anyhow.
Also no complaining about "racial profiling" by the police.

On the social side, dump all Affirmative Action programs, all race-based initiatives and Black History Month. (It's celebrated in government schools).

No more "Black Caucuses".

[Sulla the Dictator]

By the way, if you folks DID examine the statistics (That is, if you believed in science), you would also learn that the vast majority of violent crime is intraracial, not interracial.

And beyond that, the majority of violent crime is within the family. Starr's more likely to be raped and killed by her white husband than she is a black mugger.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Also no complaining about "racial profiling" by the police.

On the social side, dump all Affirmative Action programs, all race-based initiatives and Black History Month. (It's celebrated in government schools).

No more "Black Caucuses".

LOL I guess you only meant "Stop posting news stories about violence comitted by whites".

[Keystone]

LOL I guess you only meant "Stop posting news stories about violence comitted by whites".
No. I'm being serious. Post everything, anything you want. Crime is crime.

I'm trying to take race completely out of the social picture. Equal treatment under the law, period. No boosts up or advantage because of color for anyone. But the minorities would lose their "different" status as well.

[Starr]

Starr's more likely to be raped and killed by her white husband than she is a black mugger.

I don't have a white husband.:( But if I were to marry Ted Bundy or some violent druggie with a criminal record you would probably be correct. If I married the average, normal white man I would think my chances of him someday raping and killing me would be pretty low. If I were to walk into a black neighborhood at night, unarmed I would be a walking target for who knows what.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I don't have a white husband.:( But if I were to marry Ted Bundy or some violent druggie with a criminal record you would probably be correct. If I married the average, normal white man I would think my chances of him someday raping and killing me would be pretty low.


LOL I don't think you understand. Domestic violence is a leading cause of violent crime. You don't need to be married to a drug addict or a serial killer.

Violent crime is MORE LIKELY to be within the family. And it is also more likely to be between people of the same race.

Therefore, you are MOST LIKELY to be the target of violence by your white husband, if you had one.


If I were to walk into a black neighborhood at night, unarmed I would be a walking target for who knows what.

:rolleyes: Thats a stupid comparison. You want to talk about the statistics but you're not interested in what they say.

[Starr]

What you are not understanding is that these things would come down to who I were to choose as a husband. A guy who is likely to someday kill or beat you is most likely going to show signs of this early on. A guy just going crazy one day, out of the blue, and killing me after we have been married for years would be very rare, outside of the world of the lifetime movie.

[Sulla the Dictator]

What you are not understanding is that these things would come down to who I were to choose as a husband. A guy who is likely to someday kill or beat you is most likely going to show signs of this early on. A guy just going crazy one day, out of the blue, and killing me after we have been married for years would be very rare, outside of the world of the lifetime movie.

What you're not understanding is that real life crime isn't little girls trapsing around impoverished neighborhoods at night. Its women being murdered by their husbands, girls being raped by the guy at work, and drug addicts robbing liquor stores.

[Jimbo Gomez]

How could her husband possibly rape her? The day she'll marry him is the day she'll give her definitive consent for sexual intercourse.

[Sulla the Dictator]

How could her husband possibly rape her? The day she'll marry him is the day she'll give her definitive consent for sexual intercourse.

You're kidding, right?

[Starr]

Let's not even go down this road.:D If my husband forced me to have sex when I did not want to, I would not see it in the same way as I would if some other guy did this, but it would be a little bizarre and I would not be too happy with him. It would also be one of those signs that he might be a weirdo, since it would be a sure sign that he does not have too much control over himself.

[Jimbo Gomez]

You're kidding, right?

Absolutely not, until quite recently (post WW2) this was the majority opinion in many Western legal systems. Men who forced themselves on their wives were only charged with assault, but not rape. The theory was that while the wife had already consented to the intercourse and had thereby ruled out rape, it was not permitted for the husband to actually use force to enforce this intercourse.

I happen to agree with that theory, but I'll add to that that I, as usual, don't share the opinion of the majority of my fellow jurists.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Absolutely not, until quite recently (post WW2) this was the majority opinion in many Western legal systems. Men who forced themselves on their wives were only charged with assault, but not rape. The theory was that while the wife had already consented to the intercourse and had thereby ruled out rape, it was not permitted for the husband to actually use force to enforce this intercourse.

I happen to agree with that theory, but I'll add to that that I, as usual, don't share the opinion of the majority of my fellow jurists.


I don't believe in blanket consent, in that context. There's any number of reasons a woman might refuse to have sex with her husband, including infidelity. An assault charge doesn't carry enough weight to punish a husband for, say, infecting his wife with an STD.

Domestic rape is a much higher burden than the standard rape, because of the nature of domestic disagreements. It requires some pretty strong physical evidence (Vaginal tearing, bruising, etc). A woman's marital vows shouldn't trump her refusal to engage in intercourse, at any time.

[Starr]

It definitely depends on the cirumstances. If I am refusing to have sex with him all of the time, I could see him maybe getting pissed and thinking he is entitled to it(or an affair) If he thinks he is just entitled to it anytime he wants, who cares what I think, there would be a problem.

[Der Sozialist]

Absolutely not, until quite recently (post WW2) this was the majority opinion in many Western legal systems. Men who forced themselves on their wives were only charged with assault, but not rape. The theory was that while the wife had already consented to the intercourse and had thereby ruled out rape, it was not permitted for the husband to actually use force to enforce this intercourse.

I happen to agree with that theory, but I'll add to that that I, as usual, don't share the opinion of the majority of my fellow jurists.

There was also a time when we dragged our pestiferous wives by their hair—oh, I miss the good ole’ days. :D

[Jimbo Gomez]

Assault charges carry just as much weight as rape chages, murder charges or for that matter jaywalking charges. There are no gradations in criminal behaviour Sulla. Something is either illegal to do or not, not 'more legal than this but less than this'. It's not because in general rape carries a heavier punishment than assault that it somehow is even more illegal. And either way, a man beating his wife into a bloody pulp before he forces himself on her won't care what he'll be charged with, or that he'll be charged.

[Jimbo Gomez]

There was also a time when we dragged our pestiferous wives by their hair—oh, I miss the good ole’ days. :D

Hehe, yeah, back into the cave and make me a dino-steak wench!

[Keystone]

What you are not understanding is that these things would come down to who I were to choose as a husband. A guy who is likely to someday kill or beat you is most likely going to show signs of this early on. A guy just going crazy one day, out of the blue, and killing me after we have been married for years would be very rare, outside of the world of the lifetime movie.
Oh Queen of the Red Herring....:rolleyes: Thanks HG.

So much for finding middle ground. You guys don't want to solve racial problems, you enjoy arguing about them too much.

[il ragno]

What you're not understanding is that real life crime isn't little girls trapsing around impoverished neighborhoods at night. Its women being murdered by their husbands, girls being raped by the guy at work, and drug addicts robbing liquor stores.

At last we've hit a nerve. The Other is your friend; it's your kinsman who's the predator. "Science" tells us so. Ask Reginald Denny if you dont believe me. Whoops; I keep forgetting that whites set upon by blacks are statitistical anomalies we have to remove from the sampling before we can proceed. Unlike every black ever pummelled by a white, who go right to the head of the class as Exhibit A.

Maybe Sulla can shed some light on why history is full of examples of successful, long-lasting multicultural societies.

[Starr]

Oh Queen of the Red Herring....:rolleyes: Thanks HG.

So much for finding middle ground. You guys don't want to solve racial problems, you enjoy arguing about them too much.


My only point is that only certain women in certain cirumstances(most, not all of the time) are likely to find themselves a victim of domestic violence. To assume that any or most women,even ones that are in a healthy, relatively happy relationship or marriage is more likely to become a victim of her husband, rather than from some thug nigger is bull. If you are married to some insanely jealous psycho or someone who shows a lot of violent tendencies, especially towards you, this would not hold true.

There is no middle groud that is going to solve racial problems. Only seperation.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

As I see it crimes get reported here by the daily novelty of it...like you open a news site and there it is...going back years googling for white/racist crimes to face against the daily flow in the opposite direction is pretty weak IMHO.

[Der Sozialist]

My only point is that only certain women in certain cirumstances(most, not all of the time) are likely to find themselves a victim of domestic violence. To assume that any or most women,even ones that are in a healthy, relatively happy relationship or marriage is more likely to become a victim of her husband, rather than from some thug nigger is bull.

There is no middle groud that is going to solve racial problems. Only seperation.

Slavery is the middle ground—I always wanted to own a Negro or five. :D

[Anima Eternae]

By the way, if you folks DID examine the statistics (That is, if you believed in science), you would also learn that the vast majority of violent crime is intraracial, not interracial.


True in most cases, but not robbery.

And let's not forget most interracial crimes are black on white.

[Keystone]

There is no middle groud that is going to solve racial problems. Only seperation.
Separation isn't going to happen in the US. We are getting browner by the year, and there's no going back. We must solve them.

[Sulla the Dictator]

At last we've hit a nerve.


Eh?


The Other is your friend; it's your kinsman who's the predator. "Science" tells us so.


Yeah, thats right. You see, what they do is take a look at who killed who. Then they make statistics. Thats how we know domestic violence is one of the largest elements of violent crime. And thats just between man and wife. Then there's children and parents, boyfriends and girlfriends, etc.

Thats science.


Ask Reginald Denny if you dont believe me.


(Blink) This is what you've got? Thats it?


Maybe Sulla can shed some light on why history is full of examples of successful, long-lasting multicultural societies.

The United States, Russia, Rome, Egypt, China, Great Britain, Germany, Greece.....

[il ragno]

Multiculturalism destroyed the ancient societies, and the jury is still out on the modern variants. If, however, a nation requires rewriting its penal code to achieve said balance, and then enforces that balance with disproportionate force, it's safe to surmise that multicult is failing.

[Sulla the Dictator]

As I see it crimes get reported here by the daily novelty of it...like you open a news site and there it is...


Ummm.....lets take a look.

Just minutes after he was stopped by police officers near the scene of a fatal Westchester shopping mall stabbing, a suspect blurted out "I'm guilty," a patrolman testified yesterday.

According to White Plains Police Officer Larry Brown, Phillip Grant had been handcuffed and placed in a patrol car. Then, after a police radio transmission that a witness was coming to try to identify him, Grant said, "You don't have to bring someone over here. I'm guilty," Brown testified.

Grant, who is black, is charged with murder as a hate crime in the June 29 killing of Concetta Russo-Carriero, a 56-year-old legal secretary, who was white. She was headed for her car when she was attacked in the parking garage of the Galleria Mall in White Plains.

This was quoted by il ragno, and it happened last year.

Whats that?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Multiculturalism destroyed the ancient societies


Ummmm....what? Would you care to identify the ETERNAL state? The immortal state you seem to imply exists?

[Sulla the Dictator]

successful, long-lasting multicultural societies.


The nations I mentioned meet all of these qualifications.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I only need to open my daily local newpaper and talk to my police officer friends here to read and hear the total disproportion of crime on over the other. Your mockery falls out flat on its face and you perfectly know it.

[OVERWATCH]

Then you guys should stop it. Lets just denounce murderers as scum and stop trying to blame RACES for criminality.

Murderers ARE scum. ;)

But some races are [far] more prone to spawning murderers, than others ;)

[Blighter]

Its interesting, because I'd been led to believe by certain board members that racists spend MOST of their time pondering the great mysteries of life, and that the violent element was a media myth.


This opening statement, as well as the title of the thread, indicate that you have either failed to understand this story, or are being deliberately decietful with what you are implying.

The murderers in this case (who should, in my opinion, be hung without further ado), cannot honestly be referred to as 'racialists', or used to prove some point of yours about violent elements in the racialist community, movement, or whatever. You have to make a distinction between the sort of imbecial who calls a black kid a nigger before burying an ice pick in him, and the actual racialists you are trying to defame by implication.

There are certainly violent, disgusting elements in the racialist community, but that is not something of which these idiots are a part. These aren't lads who have any knowledge or concern about race at all; not the sort of people who seig heil at Nazi meetings, discuss the finer points of anthropology on the internet, or anything in between. They are merely parts of the massive, and growing, swarm of shitty, useless people who don't care about anything, including race.

Incidentally, although I very rarely post on this forum, I often read it, and your line of 'white people commit crime too' arguments has gotten old very quickly. It is isn't clever, and proves absolutely nothing.

[il ragno]

Don't mind Sulla - dishonesty in the name of a Higher Cause is his stock-in-trade. Like the way he puffs out his chest at 'multicultural societies' while sidestepping that most subscribed to a rigid caste system. Which he would scream his head off were one reinstituted here.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I only need to open my daily local newpaper and talk to my police officer friends here to read and hear the total disproportion of crime on over the other. Your mockery falls out flat on its face and you perfectly know it.

No, I don't know it. I know that you guys aren't posting 'day to day race crimes'. A black killing a white or a white killing a black isn't necessarily a racially motivated crime, by the way.

The reality is that you guys post this horrific shit WHEN YOU HEAR OF IT, not when it happens. Lets be honest here.

[Sulla the Dictator]

But some races are [far] more prone to spawning murderers, than others ;)

By what measure? Was it a white racial trait that spawned the SS? Or Leopold and Loeb? Or the South African security forces? Or the NKVD? Or Jack the Ripper?

Or were those examples of social forces and deviants, and not a racial signifier at all?

[Sulla the Dictator]

This opening statement, as well as the title of the thread, indicate that you have either failed to understand this story, or are being deliberately decietful with what you are implying.

The murderers in this case (who should, in my opinion, be hung without further ado), cannot honestly be referred to as 'racialists', or used to prove some point of yours about violent elements in the racialist community, movement, or whatever. You have to make a distinction between the sort of imbecial who calls a black kid a nigger before burying an ice pick in him, and the actual racialists you are trying to defame by implication.

There are certainly violent, disgusting elements in the racialist community, but that is not something of which these idiots are a part. These aren't lads who have any knowledge or concern about race at all; not the sort of people who seig heil at Nazi meetings, discuss the finer points of anthropology on the internet, or anything in between. They are merely parts of the massive, and growing, swarm of shitty, useless people who don't care about anything, including race.


It is common for extremists to disassociate themselves from the products of their indoctrination. MOST of you fellows, as I understand it, have no formal association with any racialist groups and aren't dues paying members of any organization.

Yet you are almost all self described racialists.

As are these fellows, as their race crime and allies graffiti illustrate.


Incidentally, although I very rarely post on this forum, I often read it, and your line of 'white people commit crime too' arguments has gotten old very quickly.

This isn't the Globe theater and I'm not a paid entertainer. If you want to return to some sort of racial slur fest, my advice is to visit VNN.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Most of what gets posted here in "current news" or alike is just that, new, fresh stuff. Personally I do not recall many "Three years ago..." kind of threads in this fashion. Why would we? Its an every day thing..no need really to google for it on purpose. I do agree thought that "we" might be specially pre-disposed to pick such news out.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Here Sulla...something to cheer you up :D

http://em.luberri.net/argazki/mendi/2004/almanzo20040525145314.jpghttp://www.andrewracz.net/sgrazromanroad.jpg

[Sulla the Dictator]

Don't mind Sulla - dishonesty in the name of a Higher Cause is his stock-in-trade. Like the way he puffs out his chest at 'multicultural societies' while sidestepping that most subscribed to a rigid caste system. Which he would scream his head off were one reinstituted here.

Rigid caste system? What does that have to do with anything? And what are you talking about, besides? :p

You asked for successful, long lasting, multiculturalist states. I named them. Most of which happen to be landmark nations in many areas.

Now you want modern social mobility in HISTORICAL settings?

Where is your socially mobile, successful, 10,000 year old racialist state?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Here Sulla...something to cheer you up :D

http://em.luberri.net/argazki/mendi/2004/almanzo20040525145314.jpghttp://www.andrewracz.net/sgrazromanroad.jpg


Gives us all a little perspective on what endures, eh? :D

[Sulla the Dictator]

Most of what gets posted here in "current news" or alike is just that, new, fresh stuff. Personally I do not recall many "Three years ago..." kind of threads in this fashion. Why would we? Its an every day thing..no need really to google for it on purpose. I do agree thought that "we" might be specially pre-disposed to pick such news out.

Then consider me filling in the gaps. :p I wasn't looking for current events stories unrelated to foreign policy when all these racialist murders went down. Russia is particularly alarming.

[OVERWATCH]

By what measure? Was it a white racial trait that spawned the SS? Or Leopold and Loeb? Or the South African security forces? Or the NKVD? Or Jack the Ripper?

Or were those examples of social forces and deviants, and not a racial signifier at all?

Maybe, maybe not.

However;

I'll take all the things that western civilisation has bequeathed upon mankind, good and bad, over that which negrid "civilisation" has given.

That does not mean, however, that negrids are without hope; certainly not. Eugenics can benefit all human races, not just one, or a select few, races; their corrupters need to be purged, their undermen allowed to wither on the vine, and their finest encouraged to multiply, in an enviornment which scorns the kult of victimisation/materialism/hedonism.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Maybe, maybe not.


Well then, perhaps we should extend ATLEAST that level of benefit of doubt to those minorities which live among us.


However;

I'll take all the things that western civilisation has bequeathed upon mankind, good and bad, over that which negrid "civilisation" has given.


Thats not how it works, I'm afraid. Civilization is different than people. You can't rest on your laurels. And Western Civilization has won. Its conquered the world.

Asia, Africa, South America, and the rest are simply derivations or evolutions of it. The Europeans had the fortune to border two civilizations which created the framework by which they would evolve into what we know them as. Good for them.

But now here we are. At some point you have to live with your actions. We brought Africans to this country. Now they're Americans, by the decree of our laws. They are citizens. It is wrong to suggest they be stripped of their rights as Citizens.

Without Rome or Greece, I suspect we would all be speaking Chinese, and arguing about Asian supremacy. Different lands have different stages of cultural evolution, caused by outside or environmental factors. Thats simply the way the historical cookie crumbles.


That does not mean, however, that negrids are without hope; certainly not. Eugenics can benefit all human races, not just one, or a select few, races; their corrupters need to be purged, their undermen allowed to wither on the vine, and their finest encouraged to multiply, in an enviornment which scorns the kult of victimisation/materialism/hedonism.

Evolution doesn't need our help, espeically considering our rather myopic view of what we find value in TODAY rather than the long haul.

If you folks are right, then there is no need for concern. These things would happen naturally.

[OVERWATCH]

Whether or not brown Afro-Americans are innately predisposed to crime because of genetic/racial inheritance or not is very debatable. I am not suggesting that is the MAIN reason they commit crime and fail so disproportionately, though I suspect it plays at least some role.

Crime is a rampant problem here, the chief cause is freeDUMB and license, along with cultural pirates who flush everything noble and good down the toilet, replacing it with scheiss-kultur which poisons new generations of ALL races from cradle to grave.

[Der Sozialist]

Evolution doesn't need our help, espeically considering our rather myopic view of what we find value in TODAY rather than the long haul.

If you folks are right, then there is no need for concern. These things would happen naturally.

Unfortunately, in an era of Socialized medicine and ‘Universal’ Human rights—one must wonder at what pace evolution is commencing.

Certainly not quick enough—people are allowed free health care—basically anyone is entitled to live in this world if they want to---this cannot continue, we must have principles!

[OVERWATCH]

You can't rest on your laurels. And Western Civilization has won. Its conquered the world.

Interesting excerpt here. No, you certainly cannot rest on your laurels. Just because you have "won" does not mean you will be on top forever. It's obvious that culture is a continually evolving thing; if scheiss-kultur like gangsta-rap, hyperindividualism, hypermaterialism, freeDUMB and license are allowed to weave themselves into the matrix, the culture is weakened by those decrepifying influences; once in, they are hard to remove; at which point something else less wishy-washy(i.e., China) is likely to become the "victor".

[Sulla the Dictator]

Whether or not brown Afro-Americans are innately predisposed to crime because of genetic/racial inheritance or not is very debatable. I am not suggesting that is the MAIN reason they commit crime and fail so disproportionately, though I suspect it plays at least some role.


I don't think it plays a roll at all, and I think another 60 years of equal opportuntiy will result in a massive difference.


Crime is a rampant problem here, the chief cause is freeDUMB and license, along with cultural pirates who flush everything noble and good down the toilet, replacing it with scheiss-kultur which poisons new generations of ALL races from cradle to grave.

The public consumes what it wants. Production follows demand.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Interesting excerpt here. No, you certainly cannot rest on your laurels. Just because you have "won" does not mean you will be on top forever. It's obvious that culture is a continually evolving thing; if scheiss-kultur like gangsta-rap, hyperindividualism, hypermaterialism, freeDUMB and license are allowed to weave themselves into the matrix, the culture is weakened by those decrepifying influences; once in, they are hard to remove; at which point something else less wishy-washy(i.e., China) is likely to become the "victor".

Possibly. But then the question is: was China's (For the sake of this theoretical discussion) victory the result of RACIAL superiority or a complex set of reasons unrelated to race at all?

If the Chinese, theoretically, were to surpass the West, would our decendants be arguing that whites aren't inferior to some Chinese racialist?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Unfortunately, in an era of Socialized medicine and ‘Universal’ Human rights—one must wonder at what pace evolution is commencing.

Certainly not quick enough—people are allowed free health care—basically anyone is entitled to live in this world if they want to---this cannot continue, we must have principles!

Since the 'pace' of evolution is over a period of hundreds of thousands or millions of years, I don't think health care will put too much of a dent in it.

[OVERWATCH]

I don't think it plays a roll at all, and I think another 60 years of equal opportuntiy will result in a massive difference.
.

The last half a decade or so of "equal" opportunity (read: affirmative blacktion and reverse racism) have really done a lot to close that gap! :rolleyes: :hump:

[Der Sozialist]

Since the 'pace' of evolution is over a period of hundreds of thousands or millions of years, I don't think health care will put too much of a dent in it.

This is completely false—you are obviously unaware of the term ‘punctured equilibrium’.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The last half a decade or so of "equal" opportunity (read: affirmative blacktion and reverse racism) have really done a lot to close that gap! :rolleyes: :hump:

Actually I was referring to the last 35-40 years, when they haven't had the state and society actively sabotaging them.

100 years is a good period of time to establish a subculture promoting success and achievement.

[OVERWATCH]

Possibly. But then the question is: was China's (For the sake of this theoretical discussion) victory the result of RACIAL superiority or a complex set of reasons unrelated to race at all?

Illogical bifurcation.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Illogical bifurcation.

LOL I suspected that might be the response.

[OVERWATCH]

Actually I was referring to the last 35-40 years, when they haven't had the state and society actively sabotaging them.

100 years is a good period of time to establish a subculture promoting success and achievement.

Sabotaging who? Sabotaging them with affirmative blacktion? Sabotaging them with special rights?

Sabotaging them by drilling "victim" status into them at every turn?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Sabotaging who? Sabotaging them with affirmative blacktion? Sabotaging them with special rights?


You're suggesting that blacks in the 60s enjoyed special rights, and affirmative action?


Sabotaging them by drilling "victim" status into them at every turn?

This is one of the few places where we agree. I don't believe in coddling people. The sooner the black community breaks with its racial identity the better they'll be.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Actually I was referring to the last 35-40 years, when they haven't had the state and society actively sabotaging them.

100 years is a good period of time to establish a subculture promoting success and achievement.

My mistake, I wasn't clear here. I meant that blacks didn't enjoy equality until 35-40 years ago.

[Dan Dare]

Its interesting, because I'd been led to believe by certain board members that racists spend MOST of their time pondering the great mysteries of life, and that the violent element was a media myth....

The interesting thing about this episode, is not Sulla's belated glomming onto it in a half-baked attempt to give we benighted racists a verbal thrashing, but the amount of media coverage given to this horrible crime compared to a similar despicable inter-racial crime that occured on exactly the same day, in this case on the upper deck of London bus rather than in a Liverpool park.

This time, however, the victim was white and the perpetrator was black, and weapon was a knife through the heart not an ice-pick to the skull. Same end, slightly different means.

A Google search on 'Anthony Walker + "murder"' turns up 46,200 hits.

Now try a Google search on 'Richard Whelan' +"murder"'. A mere 663 hits.

Funny that.

[tricknologist]

Sulla is just spamming these "man bites dog" stories. If any one of us put the same effort into spamming stories of anti-white crime, this thread would be on page three within a half hour.

The interesting thing about this episode, is not Sulla's belated glomming onto it in a half-baked attempt to give we benighted racists a verbal thrashing, but the amount of media coverage given to this horrible crime compared to a similar despicable inter-racial crime that occured on exactly the same day, in this case on the upper deck of London bus rather than in a Liverpool park.

This time, however, the victim was white and the perpetrator was black, and weapon was a knife through the heart not an ice-pick to the skull. Same end, slightly different means.

A Google search on 'Anthony Walker + "murder"' turns up 46,200 hits.

Now try a Google search on 'Richard Whelan' +"murder"'. A mere 663 hits.

Funny that.

[Daniel Shays]

You're suggesting that blacks in the 60s enjoyed special rights, and affirmative action?
They enjoyed it in federal agencies since 1964.

This is one of the few places where we agree. I don't believe in coddling people. The sooner the black community breaks with its racial identity the better they'll be.
Question:

How do you feel about the fact you have the same views on suppression and denial of race / racial identity that hardcore Soviets used to?

[il ragno]

Well, around here is where Sulla reiterates that he's no leftist - rather, he's a "conservative Republican".

And you know what? He might as well be. David Horowitz Conservatives like him are why the act of voting is now a fool's errand that will only provide the govt a paper trail to assemble on you, as well as jury duty notices at the worst possible time.

He's as strong for AA as he is against states' rights, waves a pennant for spending the next half-century pacifying the Middle East until Israel's good and satisfied, and keeps a dossier of lurid white-racist crime stories in ready reach for every time someone uses "white" in a non-pejorative manner. You can already see how much of the old America he's willing to 'conserve' every time he opens his yap. Any sympathy or fraternal feeling he might display for white folks is a smokescreen behind which he can distribute ARA pamphlets, and wise up the Great Unwashed to that white-redneck "crime wave" nobody's willing to confront.

And his commitment to free speech stops dead whenever said speech crosses his rubicon of 'responsibility'.

Whoops, I misspoke. Even Horowitz managed to eke out HATING WHITEY on his climb up the 'conservative' dunghill before (of course) abandoning it once he'd planted his flag. But then, Horowitz is a canny fake con committed to winning at any price; Sulla's just a boolie-hugger who likes tax cuts.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Well, around here is where Sulla reiterates that he's no leftist - rather, he's a "conservative Republican".

And you know what? He might as well be. David Horowitz Conservatives like him are why the act of voting is now a fool's errand that will only provide the govt a paper trail to assemble on you, as well as jury duty notices at the worst possible time.

He's as strong for AA as he is against states' rights


(Yawn) I'm opposed to AA, and I favor states rights.


waves a pennant for spending the next half-century pacifying the Middle East until Israel's good and satisfied


You've seen it all before. Its all so dreary, isn't it? We (The 99% of us who aren't bigots) are just so one dimensional. I guess thats why you feel comfortable just MAKING UP our politics.

[Starr]

99%? LOL. Do you truly believe that 99% of people(of any race) are "color blind?":rofl:

I realize this is an exaggeration, but do you think the numbers are even anywhere close to that?

[Sulla the Dictator]

99%? LOL. Do you truly believe that 99% of people(of any race) are "color blind?:rofl:

I'm not color blind. I'm just not a bigot. Do understand that most people aren't bigots?

[Starr]

what is Sulla's definition of "bigot?"

[Sulla the Dictator]

what is Sulla's definition of "bigot?"

4 entries found for bigot.
big·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

[President Camacho]

Also no complaining about "racial profiling" by the police.
Oh man, that reminds me. Today in the car, I hear on the news, [paraphrasing here]:

Police are searching for a man in North Philadelphia reportedly armed with a handgun and riding a bicycle. Witnesses say he robbed a grocery store.... The suspect is between 5'10" and 6'0", and is wearing a black shirt and black baseball cap. Information regarding him is appreciated blah blah...

OK, ready, set, GO GET HIM! :rofl:

Oh man, I guess you can't really blame the nogs in North Philly; they probably wouldn't think about fingering someone as 'black'... everyone around them is black so it's probably just assumed. But the police should have done a better job with the info there, lol.

[Starr]

I asked for your defintion, but we will go with that and I will ask you again if you think that anywhere 99% of ALL people have no preference for their own kind and may not be somewhat intolerant of others?

You do realize that "bigots"(by that definition) are not going to neccessarily be screaming in the streets about niggers and kikes or whitey for that matter.

[President Camacho]

I'm not color blind. I'm just not a bigot. Do understand that most people aren't bigots?Wow, maybe it's something about the Northeast... maybe your line about Las Vegas being the 'ultimate American city, with no ethnic/racial concept of nationhood, only ideological' actually describes your fucked up area. But almost everyone I know seems to feel animosity or at least discomfort when in contact with most other races-- not to say that they're open racists, but they all know what the score is, and they'll tell you, if you ask specifically...

I can't even imagine the world really being like you describe it, sorry.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I asked for your defintion, but we will go with that and I will ask you again if you think that anywhere 99% of ALL people have no preference for their own kind and may not be somewhat intolerant of others?

You do realize that "bigots"(by that definition) are not going to neccessarily be screaming in the streets about niggers and kikes or whitey for that matter.

LOL Then the 99% are either not bigots or if they are, they're cowards who will act correctly.

Good point. I have no problem believing 10% of those people might just be cowards.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Really, maybe it's something about the Northeast... maybe your line about Las Vegas being the 'ultimate American city, with no ethnic/racial concept of nationhood, only ideological' actually describes your fucked up area. But almost everyone I know seems to feel animosity or at least discomfort when in contact with most other races-- not to say that they're open racists, but they all know what the score is, and they'll tell you, if you ask specifically...

I can't even imagine the world really being like you describe it, sorry.

Then climb out of whatever 1 bedroom hovel you pay too much for, ditch the stupid baseball cap for whatever local team you live vicariously through, and visit the real country of America.

[il ragno]

99% is only a delusional percentage when used by a race-iss. It's perfectly reasonable when used by an anti-race-iss.

99% of everybody knows that.

But even if you take him at his word, then Sulla's even more of a paranoid alarmist: for who in their right mind would launch half-a-dozen frantic 'skinhead traps-kills-eats li'l black orphan' posts to counter the mighty threat posed by 1% of the population - a single percentage point, incidentally, comprised entirely of impotent trailer hicks and dress-up weekend Bundists?

[Sulla the Dictator]

But even if you take him at his word, then Sulla's even more of a paranoid alarmist: for who in their right mind would launch half-a-dozen frantic 'skinhead traps-kills-eats li'l black orphan' posts to counter the mighty threat posed by 1% of the population - a single percentage point, incidentally, comprised entirely of impotent trailer hicks and dress-up weekend Bundists?

Hey, I'm just arguing because I enjoy it. You're not dangerous to society. Just individuals.

[Starr]

LOL Then the 99% are either not bigots or if they are, they're cowards who will act correctly.

Cowards is a little strong, but basically, yes, this is correct.

Where is this land that you live in where this is such widespread true "racial harmony?:222:

[Donny the Punk]

Canada, eh.

[Starr]

I said true for a reason. It would make sense that "true racial harmony" (lol) would not need to be strongly enforced with anti-hate laws and the like.

[Donny the Punk]

I could probably count the number of annual hate crime trials in this country on my fingers. I can assure you that the domestic populace do not live in abject terror of the mighty ZOG and his articles of 'anti-racism' such that their true hatred for the wogs of the world is only uttered furtively, though rampantly, in secret.

[Starr]

It is funny how one minute anti-racists will be talking about all of the discrimination faced by non-whites and how they are held back,etc. and then in the next you will say that race-relations are great and everyone(outside of a very few evil bigots) gets along splendidly.

[Donny the Punk]

Not all countries are equally enlightened.

[il ragno]

When will people learn: if you're living in a Progressive People's Paradise like Canada, or Las Vegas, keep your mouth shut. Why take a chance and maybe ruin a good thing?

[Donny the Punk]

In my experience, discussions about race are fairly commonplace here, even between members of different ethnicities and especially in the universities. When the issue loses its animus, it loses its taboo as well.

[Dan Dare]

In my experience, discussions about race are fairly commonplace here, even between members of different ethnicities and especially in the universities. When the issue loses its animus, it loses its taboo as well.

Does that mean it is possible to discuss racial and ethnic differences openly, without any fear of official sanctions?

Could I, for example, claim that negros were disproportionately involved in violent crime, that Jews were over-represented in the media, academia, and the legal profession, or that ethnic Chinese controlled gambling and prostitution in several major cities, and not be hauled up before the beak?

[Donny the Punk]

Does that mean it is possible to discuss racial and ethnic differences openly, without any fear of official sanctions?

Could I, for example, claim that negros were disproportionately involved in violent crime, that Jews were over-represented in the media, academia, and the legal profession, or that ethnic Chinese controlled gambling and prostitution in several major cities, and not be hauled up before the beak?
Actually, yes. In fact, I took one such anthropology course entirely devoted to discussion of race. All those issues came up. LaundryBob, resident Nazi (his mother is a professor at my school), takes especial delight in these courses as he joyously reminds me that open and active discussion on the meaning of race and racial differences is encouraged.

[Dan Dare]

What was it that Ernst Zuendel got banged-up for then?

[Starr]

For some reason I just thought about this song:

Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?

We all know that people are the same
wherever you go
There's good and bad in everyone
We learn to live, we learn to give each other
What we need to survive
Together alive

Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?

Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, ooh

We all know that people are the same
wherever you go
There's good and bad in everyone
We learn to live, we learn to give each other
What we need to survive
Together alive

Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?

Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?

Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony...

:D

[Donny the Punk]

In his deportation, you mean?

"However, there are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr. Zündel is a danger to national security or to the safety of any person. Although Mr. Zündel has virtually no history or direct personal engagement in acts of serious violence, his status within the White Supremacist Movement is such that adherents are inspired to carry out his acts in pursuance of his ideology. The Ministers believe that by his comportment as leader and ideologue, Mr. Zündel intends serious violence to be a consequence of his influence…
Mr. Zündel wields much more power within the right-wing, extremist and violent movement known as the White Supremacist Movement …than he lets on. He would have us believe that he is only interested in ideas, and that others use his ideas as they see fit, a situation for which he cannot be responsible.
The information made available to me paints an entirely different picture. Mr. Zündel is not the avuncular figure looking on with some indulgence on the wayward excesses of some misguided souls who fail to understand his message of non violence. The evidence points to his own direct involvement with groups he pretends to know very little about…
Mr. Zündel represents a threat that far exceeds simple guilt by association…
The Ministers have provided considerable evidence, that cannot be disclosed for reasons of national security, that Mr. Zündel has extensive contacts within the violent racist and extremist movement. Mr. Zündel stated in his testimony that he knew the following people slightly, or had professional contacts with them, or had interviewed them as a reporter. Information showed, rather, that he had dealt with them a great deal more, in some cases had funded their activities, and generally had maintained much closer ties than what he had admitted to in his examination or cross-examination. These contacts include Tom Metzger, Richard Butler, Dennis Mahon and William Pierce in the United States, Christian Worch, Ewald Althans, Gottfied Kuessel and Oliver Bode in Germany, Siegfried Verbeke in Belgium, Terry Long, Christopher Newhook, Tony McAleer, Bernard Klatt, Wolfgang Droege and Marc Lemire in Canada, Nick Griffin in Great Britain and members of South Africa's Afrikaner Resistance Movement.
Mr. Zündel knows Wolfgang Droege, another "acquaintance" and co-founder of the Heritage Front. Mr. Droege, before coming to Canada and founding the Heritage Front, was convicted and sentenced to three years' imprisonment in the United States for an attempted coup on Dominica. Mr. Zündel maintains that he and Mr. Droege only discussed history matters. I find this difficult to believe, if only because of frequent contacts with Mr. Droege and the latter's rather active role in terrorist activities.
Mr. Zündel would have us believe that he knew Marc Lemire for the "photocopying work" Mr. Lemire did for him. Yet Marc Lemire has been and still is very active in Heritage Front, which he now leads, and an active participant in internet services, notably the "Freedom Site" which offers links to extreme rightwing groups of Canada. Marc Lemire has in fact received financial assistance from Mr. Zündel, and again, I believe the nature of their relationship is much closer than what Mr. Zündel admits. I find somewhat unbelievable that they would never have discussed any matter related to Heritage Front or the internet, given their presence in cyberspace through various sites. Similarly, I believe Mr. Zündel had more extensive contacts with Bernard Klatt, a computer expert who provided internet services to various extremist groups, than what Mr. Zündel stated.
It is obvious that Mr. Zündel has provided a pale reflection of the real relationship he has had for decades with the individuals named above and others identified in the documents filed as evidence by the Ministers, individuals who have been involved in violent, criminal activities. One finds in their words and actions always present a common thread: hatred of Jews, hatred of nonwhite minorities, a claim that Whites are threatened by our multicultural society. Mr. Zündel may deny that he advocates violence, but he cannot deny that he espouses the same ideas as extremist violent groups. The information provided in camera by the Ministers to this Court goes further: Mr. Zündel in many cases pulls the strings that lead to violent actions.
I am convinced that Mr. Zündel was well aware of the outcome of his publications and public comments. Moreover, he knew in advance when certain activities, actions, demonstrations would occur, where skinhead elements would be involved with little restraint or indeed, with encouragement from the more staid members of the movement who would pretend not to know and not to approve of those actions. Not only did he know ahead of time, he was often involved in the planning…
The constraints of national security have made the Ministers unable to show public evidence to link Mr. Zündel to any of the violent acts that have been committed by extremist, racist groups. The information that has been provided to me, however, has satisfied me that there are reasonable grounds to believe that such a link exists. I am also satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to believe that if Mr. Zündel were freed from detention, he would be able to reestablish links with groups that present a threat to the security of Canada."

- JP Pierre Blais

[Sulla the Dictator]

When will people learn: if you're living in a Progressive People's Paradise like Canada, or Las Vegas, keep your mouth shut. Why take a chance and maybe ruin a good thing?

Travel outside of the beltway, learn about other places before sneering at them? Forgeddaboudit.

[Sulla the Dictator]

and not be hauled up before the beak?

LMAO What?

[Dan Dare]

So he was deported for being a threat to the security of Canada, that is "pulling the strings that lead to violenet actions"?

Nothing to do with there being an extradition request from Germany?

[Dan Dare]

LMAO What?

Don't they show Rumpole of the Bailey in Lost Wages?

Be that as it may, Potty is making the case that the PRC is so enlightened that it is permissible to discuss any racial or ethnic question in public and not run any risk of prosecution there. I was attempting to verify if that is actually the case.

[Kodos]

Ummmm....what? Would you care to identify the ETERNAL state? The immortal state you seem to imply exists?

Once again, funny a Romophile would say this...

[il ragno]

Travel outside of the beltway, learn about other places before sneering at them? Forgeddaboudit.

Once and for all: your shiny happy shithole was founded and built by Jew murderers, themselves funded by dago cutthroats grown fat off extortion and drug-pushing and civic corruption, and its lifeblood and well-being are dependent upon exploiting the vulnerabilities of the weak-willed and weak-minded.

The day you stop coaxing the degenerate out from within the simple family man - the day people are prevented from blowing the mortgage and the kids' college fund in a fruitless quest to get rich, or just get even, and losing their families, homes and livelihoods as a result - the day small-town dullards and wallflowers pick up a damn book instead of fluttering like mindless moths to the hollow glitter and toxic tinsel of the world capitol of Bad Taste; that's the day the patina of glamor wears away like tooth enamel swimming in Coca Cola, and Vegas reverts to the pesthole in the desert it always was.....a city built by murderers to lure human prey for the pleasure of predators; a Paradise for fucking mooks.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Seeing Il Ragno loose it on the Phora, priceless :D

[Fade the Butcher]

Be that as it may, Potty is making the case that the PRC is so enlightened that it is permissible to discuss any racial or ethnic question in public and not run any risk of prosecution there. I was attempting to verify if that is actually the case.

I was interrogated while crossing the Canadian border in 2004 because I had a copy of Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics in the backseat of my rental car. I had to explain that it was an ordinary book about art history that can be found at virtually any American chain bookstore.

[Fade the Butcher]

Oh. Sulla the warmonger has a soft spot for human life now. I seem to recall him yearning for blood back in 2003.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq

Minimum: 34,511
Maximum: 38,660

[OVERWATCH]

Let's not forget that, in Canada, where "one may freely discuss racial issues" Phil Rushton was investigated and hounded by the Canadian thought police for the high-crimes of "hate speech", for suggesting thru scientific research that browns[negroes] were swayed towards criminality and low IQ due to innate racial inheritance.

[brigadier Biggles]

"British racialists" ?, sulla you <insult deleted> it was just 2 mates who saw some black going out with an english girl, who isnt much to be desired herself but still in a world of talkers people who actually did something.

[infoterror]

Although Mr. Zündel has virtually no history or direct personal engagement in acts of serious violence, his status within the White Supremacist Movement is such that adherents are inspired to carry out his acts in pursuance of his ideology.

He has influence, thus must be a leader, thus must be responsible for what these people do. Clearly piss-poor logic, but then again, it's one great reason for every sane white person to avoid "White Thupremacy" movements.

[infoterror]

Once and for all: your shiny happy shithole was founded and built by Jew murderers, themselves funded by dago cutthroats grown fat off extortion and drug-pushing and civic corruption, and its lifeblood and well-being are dependent upon exploiting the vulnerabilities of the weak-willed and weak-minded.

Even more, it's one of those eternal shitholes where everyone is so degenerate that a white skin means failure instead of success.

Las Vegas is disgusting.

Then again, outside of the French sector, so is Canada: a Crowd ruthlessly rushing forward with moralistic statements while achieving absolutely nothing and living in the midst of dysfunction, overrun by Negroes, mulattos, homosexuals, Christians, and Slavs.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Once and for all: your shiny happy shithole was founded and built by Jew murderers, themselves funded by dago cutthroats grown fat off extortion and drug-pushing and civic corruption, and its lifeblood and well-being are dependent upon exploiting the vulnerabilities of the weak-willed and weak-minded.


Stop the presses. An internet racist dislikes Vegas because it isn't some feudalistic racialist shithole.

My advice is to visit Florida instead, next time your local AARP chapter wants to take a field trip. Though you're always welcome. Your money, especially your money, would be quite welcome here ragno.

[il ragno]

False. I dislike Vegas because it is a 'city' that would not exist but for vice and racketeering. That it periodically 'reinvents' itself as a family destination, as circumstances warrant, means nothing, considering the number of families routinely and regularly destroyed by the city's raison d'etre. A dayglo bandaid on cancer cures nothing.

I'm particularly amused by your comments re AARP, tourists and Florida. There are more lard-assed midwesterners in Hawaiian-print shirts to be found in Vegas than anywhere else on earth. Naturally, as the entire city is a monument to chintz, and a pimp's notion of "classy".

[Sulla the Dictator]

False. I dislike Vegas because it is a 'city' that would not exist but for vice and racketeering. That it periodically 'reinvents' itself as a family destination, as circumstances warrant, means nothing, considering the number of families routinely and regularly destroyed by the city's raison d'etre. A dayglo bandaid on cancer cures nothing.

I'm particularly amused by your comments re AARP, tourists and Florida. There are more lard-assed midwesterners in Hawaiian-print shirts to be found in Vegas than anywhere else on earth. Naturally, as the entire city is a monument to chintz, and a pimp's notion of "classy".

Interestingly enough, its a city largely run by New Yorkers sick of the sleezy, filthy, overpriced, loud, obnoxious city whose tit has nurtured your bitter ass all these years. :p

[il ragno]

New York City, hellhole though it may be, was not founded by Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano.

[Sulla the Dictator]

New York City was not founded by Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano.

No, it just gave them to us.

[Kodos]

New York City, hellhole though it may be, was not founded by Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano.

Luciano probably made NYC much LESS crime ridden, gangsters don't like gangbangers running around their turf causing trouble and making it "hot". And will take extreme measures to deter that crap.

And by consolidating the mafia he eliminated most warfare within it...

[infoterror]

False. I dislike Vegas because it is a 'city' that would not exist but for vice and racketeering.

Las Vegas fails the same test that Austin, TX does: if we accidentally unloaded a few nuclear weapons onto it and turned it into a glazed surface tomorrow, would there be an negative impact on culture, learning, or art? No. Thus...

http://www.brooks.af.mil/afioh/Graphics/Mushroom%20_Cloud.jpg

[il ragno]

No, it just gave them to us.

Las Vegas would not exist without them. In every way, your illusory paradise reflects their "values" and tastes. Had that opportunity presented itself to them on the East Coast, they'd've stayed put. But Nevada was chockablock with cowboy-hatted weasels wearing 'for sale' signs, eager to be co-opted. Eager to be the lock-stock-and-barrel property of scumbags from the very beginning.

Always remember that.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Las Vegas would not exist without them.


Who cares? We do exist, and we're a fun city. I'm not under the illusion that most cities start with a pact between two brothers raised by a she-wolf and the Gods.


In every way, your illusory paradise reflects their "values" and tastes.


LOL We got what we needed from them and then sent your trash back to you. Poorer, at that. :p


Had that opportunity presented itself to them on the East Coast, they'd've stayed put.


Probably not, since Atlantic city IS right there. Before they gave us their money they were drooling at the feet of actors and actresses while they pushed their pasty New York faces against the window of Hollywood. Can't find pretty starlets amongst Broadway skanks. :p

But you can lure the babes to your vanity exercise in the desert. Which we're fine with, as well.

We're happy to let arrogant Coasters brag all they want. Its your dime. Believe me, your rant would be a lot more interesting if you paid me while you gave it.

That is, until you hit your ATM limit at which point we would promptly ignore you.

[themistocles]

When will people learn: if you're living in a Progressive People's Paradise like Canada, or Las Vegas, keep your mouth shut. Why take a chance and maybe ruin a good thing?

Sometimes I wonder if the reason I have little problem with the multiracial society I live in has anything to do with the fact I don't call everyone else a "nigger" and act like a blue blooded Hilton, born pure and special, to everyone else.

I do shave my head but I don't wear Skrewdriver t-shirts or suspenders, I have all my teeth, I act courteous and patiently with everyone I meet, and my shoelaces match my shoe color.

I wonder if all of this has to do with how I apparently am the only white guy in the world to have no problems with anyone else. :rofl:

[Ahknaton]

Sometimes I wonder if the reason I have little problem with the multiracial society I live in has anything to do with the fact I don't call everyone else a "nigger" and act like a blue blooded Hilton, born pure and special, to everyone else.

I do shave my head but I don't wear Skrewdriver t-shirts or suspenders, I have all my teeth, I act courteous and patiently with everyone I meet, and my shoelaces match my shoe color.

I wonder if all of this has to do with how I apparently am the only white guy in the world to have no problems with anyone else. :rofl:
I've never really had a problem with non-Whites since I left high-school, and I get along pretty well with Asians. I'm a racialist mostly because I don't like modern culture or globalism, and because I get angry hearing about Whites in places like South Africa being murdered.

If you wait until the problems of multiracial society affect you personally it could be too late. Plus, it's a self-centred way of looking at it.

[Sulla the Dictator]

I've never really had a problem with non-Whites since I left high-school, and I get along pretty well with Asians. I'm a racialist mostly because I don't like modern culture or globalism, and because I get angry hearing about Whites in places like South Africa being murdered.


More whites have died by FACTORS in Chechnya or the Balkans than in South Africa and Zimbabwe, combined. Isn't the focus on the rare racial turnaround a bit selective?

[WFHermans]

Hundreds of millions of Aryans were murdered or prevented from being born at all by the jews in the last 100 years. Why focus on one negro beast that was killed in self defence?

[Ahknaton]

More whites have died by FACTORS in Chechnya or the Balkans than in South Africa and Zimbabwe, combined. Isn't the focus on the rare racial turnaround a bit selective?
1. Concern with South Africa and Chechnya etc is not mutually exclusive.
2. South Africa/Zimbabwe/Post-colonial-Africa-in-general is important because it's a canary-in-the-coal-mine test of what's in store for us in other developed nations if Whites become a minority.
3. There are a multitude of other reasons why I'm a racialist, that was just off the top of my head.
4. The Zimbabwe situation and in particular the lack of any left-wing introspection about the workability of multiracial societies as a result was what initially caused me to question by previous why-can't-we-all-just-get-along worldview however.

[OVERWATCH]

Sometimes I wonder if the reason I have little problem with the multiracial society I live in has anything to do with the fact I don't call everyone else a "nigger"

Neither do I

and act like a blue blooded Hilton, born pure and special, to everyone else.

Nor do I

I do shave my head

Same here

but I don't wear Skrewdriver t-shirts or suspenders,

I used to.

I have all my teeth,

Got a chipped tooth here :o

I act courteous and patiently with everyone I meet, and my shoelaces match my shoe color.

As do I.

I wonder if all of this has to do with how I apparently am the only white guy in the world to have no problems with anyone else.

It's my chipped tooth, isn't it? That must be what makes me racist...

[il ragno]

I act courteous and patiently with everyone I meet, and my shoelaces match my shoe color.

What is the significance of this? By their shoelaces shall ye knowe them?

[Sulla the Dictator]

1. Concern with South Africa and Chechnya etc is not mutually exclusive.


Where are the threads? Where are the links? Where's the example brought up by any of you folks? Chechnya might as well not exist (And actually might not, situation depending) with all its talked about here.

South Africa, on the other hand.....and Zimbabwe, don't get us started on that....


2. South Africa/Zimbabwe/Post-colonial-Africa-in-general is important because it's a canary-in-the-coal-mine test of what's in store for us in other developed nations if Whites become a minority.


Eh? Whites have been a minority in South Africa since its independance. Of course, you seem fascinated by racial motives. Black kills white. And we're to assume, of course, that the motive of that is skin color.

However, the reality is that South Africa is no different than anywhere else. Historical cycles of violence. The Afrikaans routinely abused and violated their black serfs. However, unlike many such events of ethnic or racial strife, like in the Balkans, the government has nothing to do with this. Nor is the conduct of brigands justified by the barbarism of the South African Security forces.

But its a cause you folks just gloss over, and head straight to an irrational racial animous, rather than a tragic historical consequence seen time and again when nations are DIVIDED by race or ethnicity the way you prefer.


3. There are a multitude of other reasons why I'm a racialist, that was just off the top of my head.


You can't indict South Africa as a nation for the actions of brigands. You have yet to offer an opinion on the behaviour of Russia in Chechnya. Is it, perhaps, because you don't care?


4. The Zimbabwe situation and in particular the lack of any left-wing introspection about the workability of multiracial societies as a result was what initially caused me to question by previous why-can't-we-all-just-get-along worldview however.

Did violence in Northern Ireland bring you to a view that religions should also be divided by borders rather than living within the same nation?