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Petr
04-29-2006, 07:16 PM
I can tell you that there has been powerful backlash against genetically modified foods in Europe. Frankenfoods are polluting our guts in the long run.

If the human genetic enhancement is ever going to be realized, it better be a smashing success or it will very soon develop a social stigma instead of any evolutionary superiority, just like Steven Pinker speculated.


http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/Genetically_Modified_Foods_Breeding_Uncertainty.shtml


Genetically Modified Foods: Breeding Uncertainty

By Charles W. Schmidt
Sep 16, 2005, 20:15


Genetically modified (GM) crops first appeared commercially in the mid-1990s to what seemed a bright and promising future. Resistant to pests and the herbicides used to control weeds, these new crops were so popular with farmers that millions of acres were planted with them by the turn of the millennium. Today, GM crops are grown commercially by 8.25 million farmers on 200 million acres spread throughout 17 countries, reports the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-Biotech Applications (ISAAA), an international nonprofit that advocates for the technology. The world's top five producers--the United States, Argentina, Canada, Brazil, and China--account for 96% of global GM cultivation; of this, more than half is in the United States.

Yet these impressive numbers tell only part of the story. Fully as notable as the growth of GM agriculture is the relentless backlash that has developed against it. Although GM supporters insist the technology raises harvest yields, reduces agrochemical use, and will eventually even produce high-nutrition food that can grow in depleted soils, skeptics counter that the risks of GM foods--made with gene splicing methods from biotechnology--are unknown and poorly addressed by current testing methods. They also worry that the spread of GM crops, which are supplied mainly by a handful of multinational companies, fuels corporate ownership of the seed supply and threatens the purity of indigenous crops, with which GM varieties can breed by cross-pollination.

A Growing Backlash

The opposition's attacks are generating sustained impacts. In April 2004, biotech companies including Novartis Seeds, Aventis CropScience, and Bayer CropScience abandoned GM field trials in England, citing challenges raised by British consumers. The next month, Monsanto dropped its new variety of herbicide-resistant wheat despite hundreds of millions reputedly spent on research and development. The product was shelved in part because of threatened boycotts by Europe and Japan, which together buy 45% of all U.S. wheat exports, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service (UDSA/ERS). And in November 2004, the world's largest agrochemical company, the Swiss-based Syngenta, moved its European GM field trials to the United States, also citing public resistance.

Europe itself, where commercial GM crops are grown only in Spain--and there in small amounts--is politically gridlocked over the issue, says Geoffrey Lean, environment editor for The Independent on Sunday, a British newspaper. The European Commission lifted a six-year moratorium on GM food in Europe last year, but even so, no new crops have been granted entry, he says. The commission, which favors the technology, wants to allow more GM imports. However, a number of opposing countries--notably Austria, France, Portugal, Greece, Denmark, and Luxembourg--have so far prevented this from happening. "As far as opinions in Europe go, the public is heavily against GM, the scientific community is for it, and governments are split down the middle," Lean says.

Developing countries are also heavily divided, even though they could arguably benefit the most from the technology. Some stakeholders worry that the introduction of GM seed in developing countries could threaten the purity of conventional crops, thus posing a risk to food exports bound for markets that reject the technology.

Meanwhile, a slew of "GM-free zones," where all transgenic organisms are banned (including fish, other animals, and plants used to make drugs), are cropping up around the world. Three are in the United States, all in California. More than 3,000 are found throughout Europe, with others in Canada, Australia, and the Philippines, says Renata Brillinger, director of the citizens group Californians for GE [genetically engineered]-Free Agriculture.

GM crops also suffer a poor reputation among the general public, in part because they are made in ways that can sound scary when described to consumers. Biotechnology allows scientists to combine genes from totally unrelated species of plants, microbes, and animals. How is this possible? There are several methods. In one, bacteria and viruses--which are naturally able to penetrate cells--are deployed as delivery vehicles to shuttle genes directly into plant cell genomes. In another, tiny particles coated with a gene are propelled at high speeds into cells to deliver the gene. In still another, electric shocks are used to destabilize cell membranes, making them permeable to delivered genes. These and several other methods enable scientists to evade natural barriers that cells use to protect themselves from foreign DNA.

Thus, genes from bacteria can be introduced into a plant--or, as in one instance, a fish gene can be introduced into a tomato. Monsanto has made pest-resistant varieties with a gene from Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt), a bacterium that kills certain types of insects. The resultant varieties produce the Bt toxin, a protein that is lethal to these insects but safe for humans. DNA Plant Technology of Oakland, California (which has since gone out of business) was the company responsible for inserting a fish gene into a tomato. In that case, an "anti-freeze" gene that helps flounder survive frigid waters was spliced into tomato cells to enhance the plant's resistance to cold. The fish-tomato didn't swim, nor did it ever make it to market. But its memory lingers as a quintessential "frankenfood" that GM critics often refer to.

Dwindling Varieties

With growing opposition to GM crops has come a remarkable drop in new varieties being introduced by the agrobiotech industry. A 2 February 2005 report by the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), an environmental group, observes that three-quarters of federal approvals for GM crops in the United States were obtained between 1995 and 1999.

According to Gregory Jaffe, director of the Project on Biotechnology at CSPI, most of the new crops that drive GM agriculture's growth now are cookie-cutter varieties that merely recycle the same genes for pest and herbicide resistance already used in existing products. Indeed, virtually all the GM crops grown today are different varieties of the same four crops that became available before 2000, mainly pest- or herbicide-resistant varieties of corn, cotton, soybeans, and canola.

These crops were made for and marketed specifically to farmers, who make up the industry's key buyers. Farmers have embraced GM technology because it saves them time and money. Monsanto's Roundup Ready crops, for instance, are resistant to the glyphosate-based herbicide Roundup. Farmers can eliminate weeds with one or two sprayings of the wide-spectrum herbicide without harming their crops.

Rob Rose, a spokesman for the Donald Danforth Plant Science Center, a nonprofit research facility funded partially by the agrobiotech industry, says companies barely considered the consumers who would buy and eat GM foods in their initial marketing efforts. This proved to be a mistake, he says. When the consumer backlash started, companies were caught off-guard. "Even now, as the backlash intensifies, they haven't come up with an effective consumer marketing strategy," Rose says.

To improve its public image, the agrobiotech industry has more recently begun promoting the concept of extra-nutritious, environmentally resilient crops to fight world hunger. But so far, none of these so-called second-generation crops have entered the marketplace, anywhere in the world.

The second-generation crops that are in the pipeline seem to be stuck there, mainly because of market uncertainties, insiders say. For example, Monsanto is developing grains to make cooking oils with lower saturated fats and higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, which are thought to protect against heart disease. But Christopher Horner, director of public affairs for Monsanto, acknowledges that these grains have distant and unknown release dates.

Universities and small research centers also develop second-generation GM crops, but they lack the resources necessary to put them on the market. The Danforth Center, for instance, has developed numerous such crops, including grains enriched with vitamin E and vegetables with enhanced folate levels, a nutrient that protects against neural tube defects in newborns as well as cancer and cardiovascular disease in adults. Center scientists have also developed a nutritionally enhanced variety of cassava, a root vegetable that is a dietary staple for hundreds of millions worldwide.

At the University of California, Berkeley, Peggy Lemaux, a faculty member in the Department of Plant and Microbial Biology, and her colleague Bob Buchanan recently helped create a type of GM wheat that people with wheat allergies might eat more safely. She and her colleagues at Berkeley are now working on enhancing sorghum, another staple of the world's poor, to make it more nutritionally complete and calorie-rich.

"I want to help people," Lemaux says. "I work for a land-grant university, and our charge is to develop varieties that help agriculture and consumers. If I can do this for countries that really need it, then that's what I want to do."

But Lemaux and Karel Schubert, a Danforth Center principle investigator, both acknowledge that despite the potential benefits, the commercial value of these crops is limited. Without significant financial backing, universities and research centers can't fund the extensive regulatory and patent reviews needed to bring the products to market. But as consumers increasingly turn against GM food, Lemaux adds, industry and federal funds for second-generation crop research and development are drying up.

"Second generation crops are developed in universities, and then those projects die," Lemaux says. "There's a pall hanging over GM and its products, so many companies have stopped supporting fundamental research." Her grant from the U.S. Agency for International Development has been cut from a three-year to a one-year commitment.

The Question of Health Risks

Despite public fears, the health risks of eating commercialized GM foods on the market now appear to be negligible, experts say. Nearly 45% of the corn and 85% of the soybeans grown in the United States are transgenic, according to the USDA/ERS. Consumers are eating these foods without any apparent health effects, although some stakeholders caution that greater postmarket surveillance is needed to confirm this.

As part of research and development, GM foods are tested for safety, specifically to ensure they don't contain compounds that might cause allergic reactions among those who eat them. How might this happen? Consider how biotechnology works: Scientists take genes from one species and incorporate them into the genome of another. The modified genes in the transgenic hybrid are designed to make proteins that ideally will do something useful, like deter pests or boost nutrition. But these same proteins might also be allergenic; in fact, most known allergens are protein molecules.

The only way to confirm that a transgenic protein is or is not an allergen is to test it in large numbers of people. But of course, large-scale human testing isn't practical or ethically possible. Therefore, scientists resort to surrogate tests to predict whether the transgenic protein will elicit a human allergic response.

These tests have evolved considerably since GM crops were first introduced. In the early 1990s, scientists would test transgenic proteins with serum obtained from people known to be allergic to the gene sources of the modified plant. If a protein reacted with a serum antibody called IgE--which plays a role in nearly all allergies--it was flagged as an allergen. In 1993, scientists using this approach detected allergenicity in a transgenic soybean containing a gene from Brazil nuts. This soybean--created by Pioneer, now a subsidiary of Dupont--was to be used as a nutrition-enhanced poultry feed (Brazil nuts are high in methionine, an essential amino acid that soybeans lack). If commercialized, it could have posed serious health risks to farmers working with the feed: Brazil nuts can be fatal if you're allergic to them. But the transgenic protein tested positive in the serum assay, so the soybean was pulled during early development and destroyed.

Steve Taylor, codirector of the Food Allergy Research and Resource Program at the University of Nebraska, discovered the soybean/Brazil nut problem while under contract to Pioneer. He says scientists took close note of the incident. Today, he adds, companies reduce the risk of similar problems by avoiding genes from known allergens, 90% of which are attributed to just eight foods (eggs, cow's milk, peanuts, tree nuts, fish, shellfish, soybeans, and wheat).

The serum test would still be optimal for screening genes from known allergenic sources, Taylor says. But because no one uses genes from these sources anymore, the test is rarely used. Instead, companies now rely largely on initial screens that compare transgenic proteins to the structures and characteristics of known allergens.

In one such method, known as sequence homology, scientists compare a transgenic protein's amino acid sequence with the sequences of known allergens in a database. If the protein shares a predetermined level of similarity with one or more allergens, then it is flagged for further study. Several databases have emerged to meet this need; one of these, developed by the Food Allergy Research and Resource Program, contains nearly 1,200 allergens and is growing steadily.

Another method exploits the fact that most allergens are large and resistant to stomach acids. Called the pepsin digestibility assay, this test exposes proteins to simulated stomach fluids for varying durations. Most allergens survive for up to an hour, whereas nonallergens degrade within 15-30 seconds.

If these initial screens suggest that a transgenic protein is allergenic, companies can use serum testing for further confirmation. If allergenicity is still indicated, then efforts to further develop the GM variety are typically abandoned.

Agronomists have long known that conventional plant breeding can produce allergenic compounds. For instance, the Chinese gooseberry, a small, somewhat bitter fruit, was conventionally modified in New Zealand to make kiwifruits, which produced allergic reactions among some consumers, although the modified fruits remain popular at produce markets. A key question is whether transgenic proteins have more allergenic potential than those produced by conventional plant breeding.

After more than a decade of testing and debate, the emerging consensus among scientists is that they do not. The National Academy of Sciences recently expressed this view in its 2004 report Safety of Genetically Engineered Foods: Approaches to Assessing Unintended Health Effects, which stated, "The process of genetic engineering has not been shown to be inherently dangerous but rather, evidence to date shows that any technique, including genetic engineering, carries the potential to result in unintended changes in the composition of the food."

The U.S. Regulatory System

As far as U.S. regulatory agencies are concerned, agrobiotech companies need only demonstrate that--apart from the transgenic protein--a GM crop shares equivalent composition and nutritional status to its conventional counterpart. If this is shown to be the case, then the crop is said to be as safe as the conventional variety, and companies are free to sell it. Crops that contain a pesticidal protein such as Bt toxin must undergo mandatory allergenicity testing coordinated by the Environmental Protection Agency. All other GM traits are evaluated by voluntary consultations with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). During these consultations, FDA and company representatives discuss procedures, and the companies disclose data and describe testing methods and results. The FDA recently introduced draft guidance on testing that encourages companies to come in at the very early stages of the process, when they are still in planning stages.

GM opponents have long argued that FDA consultations should be mandatory. But Jason Dietz, a consumer safety officer at the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, says that in the administration's view, the risks posed by transgenic crop breeding aren't great enough to warrant mandatory testing. Moreover, he adds, companies are liable for the health risks of GM foods under the safety provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

The best way for companies to ensure their compliance with the act, Dietz says, is to undergo a premarket consultation with the FDA. "To our knowledge, all [GM] foods intended to be commercialized in the United States have been through the consultation procedure," he says.

An important and unresolved question is whether current testing methods will be adequate for second-generation crops. All the pest- and herbicide-resistance traits used now are found at minute levels in the plants, far below those likely to produce allergic responses, according to Taylor. But in some second-generation varieties, GM traits are intentionally expressed at high levels that change the nature of the food.

Taylor suggests that uncertainties about second-generation crop testing exacerbate the agrobiotech industry's reluctance to develop these markets further. "Because [the plant's] composition is significantly altered, and components are expressed at high levels, second-generation crops will probably require more extensive safety evaluation," he says. "One of the key issues is that there is no international agreement on what will be required. The uncertainty is considerable, and that creates hesitancy on the part of companies. Regulatory approvals will be less certain, consumer acceptance is a hurdle, and scientific uncertainty about how to proceed with safety assessment causes worry."

The Labeling Scene

In many countries, debates over GM foods have been accompanied by growing demands for an international labeling scheme to segregate transgenic and conventionally grown products. Labeling isn't required in the United States because regulatory agencies here don't view commercialized GM food as materially different from conventional varieties. However, the European Union does require it, and countries including Australia, Japan, and New Zealand, among others, have either established labeling systems or are in the process of doing so.

GM labeling is a tricky proposition that U.S. companies would rather avoid. Some surveys have shown that consumers are less likely to buy foods that they know are GM. Not only does labeling threaten markets, it could also be hard to implement, says Alan McHughen, a biotech specialist and geneticist at the University of California, Riverside. With few exceptions, most commodity crops grown in the United States aren't segregated once they reach the supply chain. Thus, both GM and conventionally grown nonorganic crops can wind up in the same containers as they make their way through distribution channels.

McHughen says the challenge is to somehow guarantee that GM labeling is accurate and credible, which is no easy task. "From the farmer, to the county elevator, to the rail or barge that carries bulked grain to terminals, to the retailers--every step would have to be monitored and verified," he says.

Even so, labeling is necessary because food distribution is increasingly globalized, says Juan Lopez, international coordinator for biosafety with Friends of the Earth, a nongovernmental organization. The problem, he emphasizes, is that without a comprehensive labeling system, GM products can wind up in countries that don't want them.

Some recent high-profile episodes have heightened these concerns. In late 2004, Syngenta announced it had accidentally put a controversial type of GM corn on the market in the United States and Europe during the previous four years. The corn, known as Bt10, differs from a similar variety called Bt11 by only a few nucleotides. But whereas Bt11 has been approved in Europe, Bt10 never underwent review and thus is considered illegal in Europe. The accident produced no known illnesses, but many seized on it as further justification for labeling. Syngenta's woes with Bt10 have only continued: in early summer 2005, large commodity corn shipments in Japan were found to be comingled with Bt10, and a similar comingled shipment was intercepted in Ireland.

While Syngenta was grappling with its botched shipments, the 119 signatories of the United Nations Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety (a supplementary agreement of the Convention on Biological Diversity) were deciding whether to create documentation requirements for bulk shipping of "living modified organisms," which are the live GM organisms such as seeds (rather than milled forms such as flour). But this initiative failed during last-minute negotiations at a meeting in Montréal on 3 June 2005. Protocol rules require consensus for passage, which couldn't be reached because Brazil and New Zealand refused to sign on, claiming the paperwork would be excessive and costly. (The United States is not a party to the Convention on Biological Diversity and therefore cannot be a party to the Cartagena protocol.) The failure means the burden of proof for ensuring GM-free shipments remains with importers, Lopez says.

"This would have been the first time a global system for the identification of [GM organisms] would have been in place," he adds. "But countries at the national and regional level are working to implement identification and labeling schemes anyway."

[B]The Future[/B]

Today, GM agriculture's future seems hard to predict. Its growth is undeniable--ISAAA figures indicate that global acreage of GM crops increased by 20% in 2004 with no sign of slowing. But the vast majority of this growth occurred in just a handful of countries planting just a handful of crop varieties. The new second-generation crops that comprise the bulk of the industry's consumer marketing efforts appear to be largely stalled, held at bay by market uncertainty and the voracious attacks of environmental groups.

Consider the plight of Golden Rice, the product of a largely humanitarian effort led by Syngenta and a consortium of nonprofit research groups. Golden Rice was meant as a means to boost daily intakes of vitamin A; deficiency-related blindness and death currently afflicts nearly 2 million people annually, according to the United Nations Children's Fund. However, Golden Rice is under sustained assault by Greenpeace, which claims that health effects have not been sufficiently addressed, that the rice could breed with and contaminate wild varieties, and that the whole effort is merely a ploy to gain acceptance for GM food in developing countries. Jorge Mayer, manager of the Golden Rice Project at the University of Freiburg in Germany, as quoted in the 2 April 2005 New Scientist, countered that Greenpeace's blanket opposition to Golden Rice is impeding the very trials that will provide the answers the group demands. "It's a catch-22," he said.

So what is the truth of the matter? A conclusive answer isn't easy to find. Biotech companies claim GM technology will help feed the world's poor, but how do they intend to protect intellectual property in developing markets? Despite repeated questioning, sources for this article could not provide a clear answer to that question. Companies have sued farmers for saving seeds from their GM varieties and planting them without payment for intellectual property; Monsanto has more than 100 such lawsuits ongoing in the United States today, says Horner. Will farmers in developing countries also have to pay for GM seeds, year after year? What will that mean for traditional agriculture, which depends on the age-old practice of saving seeds for future planting?

While these questions remain, studies show that GM technology can produce important benefits. Carl Pray, a professor of agriculture, food, and resource economics at Rutgers University, recently concluded a study showing that growing Bt rice in China reduced by half the number of chemical pesticide poisonings among farmers. His research also showed that farmers who planted the rice saved money with increased crop yields and reduced chemical pesticide use. His results are published in the 29 April 2005 issue of Science. "I'm convinced [the crops] are a positive development for China," Pray says.

Other farmers who grow GM crops echo these sentiments. Given that GM agriculture is here to stay, the optimal scenario for the future--and the likely eventual outcome--is a dual supply chain, one that clearly distinguishes GM from non-GM products. In the meantime, the rhetoric and spin that surrounds this most heated of environmental battles will go on.


[I]Originally published by Environmental Health Perspectives in August, 2005. Republished with permission.

Petr
04-29-2006, 07:22 PM
The Prince of Wales (AKA Prince Charles) Views on Genetically modified (GM) Crop


"I personally have no wish to eat anything produced by genetic modification, nor do I knowingly offer this sort of produce to my family or guests."

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk./speeches/agriculture_08061998.html


Petr

Petr
04-29-2006, 07:53 PM
I predict that in due time, this stuff will begin to suffer similar hiccups that medical antibiotics are already experiencing. Human hubris will be cut down by nemesis.


Petr

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 08:14 PM
A different view.

Listen Here (http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/english/2006_04/Audio/mp3/Wildeboer_Biotech_27Apr06.mp3)

Voice of America (http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2006-04-24-voa61.cfm)

By Robert Wildeboer
Chicago
24 April 2006

Biotechnology can eradicate disease, provide renewable energy, solve the problem of world hunger and help the local economy. That was the message at this month's Biotechnology Industry Organization conference in Chicago.

In this crowd of 20,000 conference attendees, there doesn't seem to be a single pessimist. Almost everyone here thinks biotechnology - a fledgling industry that manipulates living cells to create useful products - has the potential to solve the world's most pressing problems, from disease and hunger to poverty and pollution.

Lois Fergusson is standing in an exhibit that looks like an upscale American kitchen. She points to the products used to make this 'green' kitchen. "Our countertop is made from hemp and then here we have our cupboards, [they] are made from wheat straw, very strong and it's a renewable resource." She says this type of manufacturing will allow Americans to maintain their high standard of living without putting so much pressure on the environment. Fergusson then shows off plastic forks, knives and cups all made from corn starch. They can be used once, thrown out and they'll biodegrade in thirty days.

And it's good for business. Indeed, biotechnology's business potential is something more and more countries are showing an interest in… countries like Ireland, which has a popular exhibit booth here. There's a long line of conventioneers waiting to get a free pint of Guinness while they listen to live music and maybe get a pitch from Samara McCarthy. She's here to convince biotech companies to locate in Ireland. "We're actually putting together sites that are ready for companies to move straight into," she explains, "so we have a pre-approved planning permission for all the different aspects that will be needed for developing a biotech site." McCarthy says pharmaceutical and biotech giant Wyeth recently opened a manufacturing plant outside Dublin. That brought 1,100 jobs to the area.

Lots of countries have exhibits at the convention because they're hoping to get a the biotech pie. Looking around the hugeroom, attendee Michelle Hon says the growing interest in biotechnology is the most surprising thing about this year's convention. "We're standing right in front of Argentina['s booth], you can see Germany, there's France, Canada, Holland, New Zealand, Australia. All the Asian countries are here, Japan, China, Malaysia's here…"

Biotech's a young industry, but it's growing. In 1993 this conference attracted 1,400 people. This year? 20,000. Clive James is the chairman of the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications. ISAAA is a non-profit group that works to eliminate hunger by helping developing countries gain access to biotechnology. James says the industry is about more than just kitchen cabinets, biodegradable spoons, and cars powered by corn.

"We today have a global population of 6.5 billion people that will increase to 9.2 billion in 2050. The big question, how do you feed them?" he asks. James thinks part of the answer is genetically engineered crops. These are crops that have been modified to produce a higher yield, or grow in cold weather or dry climates, or resist herbicides.

Critics caution that the young biotech industry doesn't really know how Mother Nature will respond to such manipulation. Many environmental groups believe genetically altered crops pose a risk to both the environment and public health.

But James says the American public has already been safely participating in a genetically modified crop experiment for the last ten years. "They have eaten this food, they've eaten meat from animals that have been fed GM crops and [there has been] not even a single suggestion that there is anything wrong."

Ravindar Brar grows genetically modified cotton on her 25-hectare farm in Punjab, India. She says pesticides and fertilizers are destroying the soil in India, so she grows cotton that requires little of either. But pesticides and fertilizers were once touted for the same reasons that biotech farming is now being pushed.

Brar concedes that no one really knows what the long-term effects of biotech farming will be. But farmers, she says, must grow what the market wants. "We have to be in stride with the other people. Only time will tell."

The biotech industry has its sights set on farmers like Brar. As the western world becomes saturated with biotech crops, the markets in developing countries are increasingly attractive. Especially big markets like China and India.

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 08:15 PM
I predict that in due time, this stuff will begin to suffer similar hiccups that medical antibiotics are already experiencing. Human hubris will be cut down by nemesis.

I wouldn't trust the predictions of Christians. They have been saying the end of the world is imminent for almost 2,000 years now.

Petr
04-29-2006, 08:17 PM
A different view.

Listen Here (http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/english/2006_04/Audio/mp3/Wildeboer_Biotech_27Apr06.mp3)

Voice of America (http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2006-04-24-voa61.cfm)
The voice of the industry. Naturally Big Science wants to keep the racket going.


Petr

Petr
04-29-2006, 08:18 PM
I wouldn't trust the predictions of Christians. They have been saying the end of the world is imminent for almost 2,000 years now.
Gee Fade, you're always so clever and witty. :)


Petr

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
The voice of the industry. Naturally Big Science wants to keep the racket going.

Why does organized religion project its own failings upon GE?

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Gee Fade, you're always so clever and witty. :)

So, when is Jesus coming back to rapture the faithful? I will have to mark that on my calendar. :p

Petr
04-29-2006, 08:26 PM
Why does organized religion project its own failings upon GE?
You are now making pissy diversionary pot-shots at religion in practically every post. You're deteriorating.

It is of course entirely irrational to even suspect that participants of Biotechnology Industry Organization conference might have any biased interests in favor of, em, biotechnology industry.


Petr

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 08:32 PM
You are now making pissy diversionary pot-shots at religion in practically every post. You're deteriorating.

Isn't organized religion the greatest racket in human history though? I will get back to this matter soon in my response to the Into the Darkness thread.

It is of course entirely irrational to even suspect that participants of Biotechnology Industry Organization conference might have any biased interests in favor of, em, biotechnology industry.

Let's see. You oppose space exploration, antibiotics, biotechnology . . . what else? Do you oppose "unnatural" contact lens, organ transplants, hearing aids, and pacemakers too?

Petr
04-29-2006, 08:35 PM
Isn't organized religion the greatest racket in human history though? I will get back to this matter soon in my response to the Into the Darkness thread.
Keep spreading your lies for all I care.

Let's see. You oppose space exploration, antibiotics, biotechnology . . . what else?
Why are you obsessively misrepresenting me? I approach these issues with healthy skepticism (instead of cultic scientism), that's all.


Petr

Fade the Butcher
04-29-2006, 09:46 PM
Keep spreading your lies for all I care.

Do you have any evidence that anyone has ever gotten into Heaven? Priests are the world's original conartists.

Why are you obsessively misrepresenting me? I approach these issues with healthy skepticism (instead of cultic scientism), that's all.

Why can't you admit you oppose space exploration, antibiotics, and biotechnology? BTW, I notice you didn't answer my question.

Do you oppose "unnatural" contact lenses/laser eye surgery, organ transplants, hearing aids, and pacemakers too? What about artificial hips, plastic surgery, prosthetic limbs, and braces?

Sinclair
04-30-2006, 12:39 AM
There's problems with GMO crops that go beyond "unnatural"...

For instance, larger yields require more water, and take more out of the soil.

And then there's stuff like terminator genes, forcing farmers to buy again and again instead of saving some seed for the next season.

Genetic modification could do good things. But it should be pursued to improve the situation of humanity, not put money in the pocket of huge corporations.

Helios Panoptes
04-30-2006, 07:04 AM
I know that God is an actual being through many different proofs - but this probably isn't the correct place to go into them.

It probably is. Prove that God exists, please.

Dan Dare
04-30-2006, 07:08 AM
Thinker believes that GM foods are going to feed the third world in the 21C.

Petr
04-30-2006, 07:21 AM
Do you have any evidence that anyone has ever gotten into Heaven? Priests are the world's original conartists.[/b]
Stop derailing the thread (again).

Why can't you admit you oppose space exploration, antibiotics, and biotechnology?
Fade insists on putting words to my mouth.

I just want such progress to be tightly controlled, in both moral and financial sense. Nonsense programs like SETI could be immediately abolished.

Do you oppose "unnatural" contact lenses/laser eye surgery, organ transplants, hearing aids, and pacemakers too? What about artificial hips, plastic surgery, prosthetic limbs, and braces?
I myself may have some prejudices against them, but since they don't involve messing around with our God-given genome, I feel I cannot directly judge people who use them. Vanity stuff like plastic surgery is for the birds, imho.


Petr

Petr
04-30-2006, 12:38 PM
God-damn frankenfoods and their Big Business promoters.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn4709


Crops 'widely contaminated' by genetically modified DNA


US scientists are warning of a potentially "serious risk to human health" after the discovery that traditional varieties of major American food crops are widely contaminated by DNA sequences from GM crops.

Crops engineered to produce industrial chemicals and drugs - so-called "pharm" crops - could already be poisoning ostensibly GM-free crops grown for food, warns the study by the Washington-based Union for Concerned Scientists, released on Monday.

"If genes find their way from pharm crops to ordinary corn, they or their products could wind up in drug-laced corn flakes," says the report's co-author, UCS microbiologist Margaret Mellon.

In trials, crops have been genetically engineered to manufacture proteins for healing wounds and treating conditions such as cystic fibrosis, cirrhosis of the liver and anaemia; antibodies to fight cancer and vaccines against rabies, cholera and foot-and-mouth disease. Conventional drugs manufacture is subject to stringent controls to prevent them entering the food chain or contaminating the natural environment. But there are currently no such controls to prevent the spread of DNA sequences from pharm crops.

The UCS asked two commercial laboratories to test traditional varieties of three crops - maize, soybeans and canola or oil-seed rape - for specific sequences of DNA that have been introduced into GM varieties currently grown on US farms. The sequences studied mostly give resistance to proprietary pesticides.

The labs reported that the seeds were "pervasively contaminated with low levels of DNA sequences from GM varieties". Up to 1 per cent of individual seeds, and more than half the batches of seeds, contained one or more of the GM sequences.

There is no evidence that the crops tested were unsafe, say the authors. But they fear this may not be true for second-generation GM crops that contain DNA sequences that manufacture drugs and industrial chemicals.

"Seed contamination is the back door to the food supply," says Mellon. "The realisation that some seeds may already have been contaminated [by pharm crops] is alarming" and could pose a "serious risk to human health".

Until now concern about GM contamination has focused on cross-pollination in the field. But the authors guess that much of the contamination has arisen from a failure to keep GM and traditional seeds apart during manufacture and distribution.

The tests did not discover any crops contaminated with sequences from pharm or industrial crops because there are no current tests for them. But co-author and plant pathologist Jane Rissler warns: "Until we know otherwise, it is prudent to assume that engineered sequences originating in any crop - including genes from crops engineered to produce drugs, plastics and vaccines - could potentially contaminate the seed supply."

Ahknaton
04-30-2006, 12:45 PM
Nonsense programs like SETI could be immediately abolished.SETI has actually yielded some useful benefits in information theory, cryptology and distributed data processing.

Petr
04-30-2006, 12:46 PM
There's no conspiracy at work here. Go back to work.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0209-01.htm


Published on Thursday, February 9, 2006 by Inter Press Service

WTO Biotech Ruling Reveals Special Interests, Say Critics

by Emad Mekay


WASHINGTON - A World Trade Organisation decision that called European safety bans on genetically modified food illegal under its global trade rules could usher in a new phase of potentially hazardous "Frankenfoods" worldwide and further erosion of local protections, say environmental and advocacy groups.

The groups urged the European Union to place human health and environmental safety first and continue to resist allowing imports of genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

The long-awaited landmark ruling on the EU's six-year embargo on genetically engineered crops could affect millions of farmers and consumers around the world and billions of dollars in trade.

The United States, the main plaintiff in the case, along with developing nations, whose resistance to GMOs has so far largely hinged on European backing, may now feel confident that they can adopt the GMO technologies and retain access to European export markets.

The U.S. biotech industry had complained that the EU action effectively blocked up to 300 million dollars of potential U.S. agricultural exports annually. The potential of U.S. exports to huge world markets, like India, is far greater.

U.S. biotechnology giants like Monsanto, Aventis, DuPont and Dow Chemical and big agricultural groups such as the National Corn Growers Association strenuously lobbied the George W. Bush administration to bring a formal case before the WTO, challenging the EU's GMO regulatory system.

The United States is the world's largest grower of genetically modified crops and seeds, like corn and soybeans, with 96.3 million acres currently under cultivation. Biotech seed sales brought in 2.2 billion dollars last year.

The WTO verdict on the case -- filed in 2003 by the United States and some of the countries within its political sphere like Canada, Argentina, Mexico and Egypt -- will determine whether EU policies will move beyond the "precautionary principle", a notion that new technologies, especially those potentially affecting the environment and public health, should be shelved until risks are ruled out.

But analysts and trade watchdog groups are warning that the ruling could now form the basis for challenging other GMO bans in Asian and African countries, which, as members of the WTO, will eventually have to abide by the ruling.

"It's disappointing that the WTO would seek to override democratic decisions at literally all levels of government," said Dennis Olson of the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP), based in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Critics of the WTO decision point out that there is already a broad international agreement on how to deal with biotech crops through the United Nations Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety, adopted in 2000.

The protocol gives each country leeway in regulating genetically modified crops, taking precautionary principles, protecting their farmers and requiring labeling of these crops and food products.

"Now, the WTO's unelected legal tribunal, at the request of the U.S. government, has chosen to pre-empt a strong democratic international consensus," Olson added.

Last Thursday a coalition of environmental and consumer groups published the conclusions of the ruling, which has not yet been officially released, saying they wanted to show the world how the Geneva-based WTO was being driven by special interests.

The WTO has come under fire repeatedly by independent analysts and trade watchdog groups who say that the organisation's panels often look at cases strictly with the purpose of opening markets for trade with little heed to environmental or health goals.

"The WTO should be the last institution to decide what people eat and grow in the fields," said Alexandra Wandel, of Friends of the Earth Europe.

Right-wing groups and industry organisations here have been waging a campaign to promote genetically modified (GM) foods and discredit environmental groups such as the Centre for Food Safety and the Organic Consumers Association, on the grounds that they stand in the way of using GMOs to feed the world's hungry and poor.

Last week the American Enterprise Institute, a right-wing Washington-based think tank with close ties to the neo-conservative clique in and around the Bush administration, said it is launching a book that defends GM crops because they can save children who suffer from diseases around the world.

Jon Entine, a researcher at the think tank, said in a press advisory that some GM food brands, modified to contain vitamin A for example, remain unutilised because of opposition from environmental and public safety organisations and that those children were the victims of "anti-genetic science advocacy groups".

Because of such efforts from the U.S. government and the biotech industry, the acreage devoted to GM crops is growing, increasing to 222 million acres last year -- one-third was in developing countries.

GMO advocates dangle benefits like a potential increase in agricultural productivity, drought and disease resistant crops, and the reduction of the use of insecticides and herbicides.

Yet despite the initial elation in industry groups and the administration over the WTO ruling, some argue that the victory is not complete.

The Food Products Association, the largest U.S. food and beverage lobbying group, said Wednesday that U.S. companies would still face trade barriers in the European Union such as the requirements for labeling and traceability of foods and animal feed.

"These requirements have established a serious trade barrier that continues to keep many food products enjoyed here in the United States out of the European market," said Jeffrey Barach, vice-president of the FPA.

Environmental groups say they are still hopeful the ruling will not be as destructive as initially thought. The expansion of GM crops in the U.S. and other major farming countries has been slowing and many consumers say they are turning to "cleaner" and "tastier" organic or traditional foods and crops.

"The U.S. administration and agro-chemical companies brought the case in a desperate attempt to force-feed markets with GMOs," said Daniel Mittler, of Greenpeace International. "But consumers, citizens and farmers around the world do not want GMOs and this ruling will change none of that.."

Petr
04-30-2006, 01:20 PM
And look who's acting as a paid expert for the biotech lobby:


Why GM is Good for Us

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11786176/site/newsweek/


Petr

Fade the Butcher
05-04-2006, 10:54 PM
I myself may have some prejudices against them, but since they don't involve messing around with our God-given genome, I feel I cannot directly judge people who use them. Vanity stuff like plastic surgery is for the birds, imho.

What do you suppose people do when they have children, Petr?

Fade the Butcher
05-04-2006, 10:55 PM
And look who's acting as a paid expert for the biotech lobby

Are you done spamming yet?

Fade the Butcher
05-04-2006, 11:01 PM
God-damn frankenfoods and their Big Business promoters

Petr opposes so-called "frankenfoods" now. GE crops are "unnatural" (whatever that means). Why don't you take your irrational Luddite demonology of genetics and biotechnology to its logical conclusion and repudiate every domesticated plant and animal species on this planet? Virtually no human being on earth save the last remaining scattered hunter gatherers lives on a "natural" diet. Wheat is the product of a whole series of crosses of different species.

Fade the Butcher
05-04-2006, 11:03 PM
And look who's acting as a paid expert for the biotech lobby:


Why GM is Good for Us

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11786176/site/newsweek/


Petr

Lee Silver has a new book about the subject coming out next month. This is a great idea.

Two Canadian scientists have created a pig whose manure doesn't contain very much phosphorus at all. If this variety of pig were adopted widely, it could greatly reduce a major source of pollution. But the Enviropig, as they call it, is the product of genetic modification—which is anathema to many Westerners.

The Enviropig is one of many new technologies that are putting environmentalists and organic-food proponents in a quandary: should they remain categorically opposed to genetically modified (GM) foods even at the expense of the environment? Pigs can also be modified to digest grasses and hay (as cows and sheep do), reducing the energy-intensive use of corn as pig feed.

Kodos
05-04-2006, 11:05 PM
You are now making pissy diversionary pot-shots at religion in practically every post. You're deteriorating.

You both are, you have this recently aqquired vocal luddite aversion to all forms of biotechnology and genetic engineering which I don't see where you get in the scriptures. Fade is baiting you by attacking christianity in every posts...

You should both knock it off.

Felix the Cat
05-04-2006, 11:08 PM
Brrr. I wouldn't eat this stuff if they paid me

Fade the Butcher
05-04-2006, 11:18 PM
James Watson weighs in here on Petr and his ilk.

"The opposition to GM foods is largely a sociopolitical movement whose arguments, though couched in the language of science, are typically unscientific. Indeed, some of the anti-GM pseudoscience propagated by the media -- whether in the interests of sensationalism or out of misguided but well-intentioned concern -- would be actually amusing where it not evidence that such gibberish is in fact an effective weapon in the propaganda war. Monsanto's Rob Horsch has had his fair share of run-ins with protestors:

I was once accused of bribing farmers by an activist at a press conference in Washington, D.C. I asked what they meant. The activist answered that by giving farmers a better performing product at a cheaper price those farmers profited from using our products. I just looked at them with my mouth hanging open.

Let me be utterly plain in stating my belief that it is nothing less than an absurdity to deprive ourselves of the benefits of GM foods by demonizing them; and, with the need for them so great in the developing world, it is nothing less than a crime to be governed by the irrational superstitions of Prince Charles and others.

In fact, a few years from now, when the West inevitably regains its senses and throws off the shackles of Luddite paranoia, it may find itself seriously lagging in agricultural technology. Food production in Europe and the United States will come to be more expensive and less efficient than elsewhere in the world. Meanwhile, countries like China, which can ill afford to entertain illogical misgivings, will forge ahead. The Chinese attitude is entirely pragmatic: With 23 percent of the world's population but only 7 percent of its arable land, China needs the increased yields and added nutritional value of GM crops if it is to feeds its population.

On reflection, we erred too much on the side of caution at Asilomar, quailing before unquantified (indeed, unquantifiable) concerns about unknown and unforseeable perils. But after a needless and costly delay, we resumed our pursuit of science's highest moral obligation: to apply what is known for the greatest possible benefit of humankind. In the current controversy, as our society delays in sanctimonious ignorance, we would do well to remember how much is at stake: the health of hungry people and the preservation of our most precious legacy, the environment.

In July 2000 anti-GM-food protesters vandalized a field of experimental corn at Cold Spring Harbor Lab. In fact there were no GM plants in the field; all the vandals managed to destroy was two years' hard work on the part of two young scientists at the lab. But the story is instructive all the same. At a time in which the destruction of GM crops has become positively fashionable in parts of Europe, when even the pursuit of knowledge on that continent and this one can come under attack, those in the vanguard of the cause might do well to ask themselves: what are we fighting for?"

James Watson, DNA: The Secret of Life (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2003), pp.161-163

Petr
05-05-2006, 06:09 AM
James Watson weighs in here on Petr and his ilk.
James Watson can rot in hell with his daydreams of genetic bastardization. Short-term economic success is all that counts, right?


Petr

Fade the Butcher
05-05-2006, 09:49 AM
I still haven't figured out what is so reprehensible about GE crops. GE usually involves small changes in the genomes of various plant and animal species, say, the introduction of a few genes. OTOH, the process of domesticating any given species from its wild ancestor induces massive changes in its genome. The whole argument that GE is "unnatural" is completely bogus. The same can be said of virtually everything Americans consume today. There is nothing "natural" about the coffee I happen to be drinking right now.

What is wrong with using GE to alter the genomes of crops in order to render them naturally resistant to pests? Isn't that a better idea than deluging them with all sorts of chemical pesticides that seep into the water table and damage the environment in countless ways? Such pesticides are also far and away more damaging to biodiversity than GE crops, as the toxins they produce provide resistance to specific malicious organisms, whereas pesticides are far more indiscriminate in the organisms they kill. I'm personally far more comfortable with consuming GE produce than fruits and vegetables I know have been coated over and over again with all sorts of deadly chemicals.

You would think that the people who attack GE would be concerned with more pressing problems like, say, chronic malnutrition in the third world or the fact that human beings are still starving to death in the twenty-first century. But no. They spend their time worrying about all the evil mad scientists out there playing God; the guys trying to make corn a little more nutritious and affordable for people who live in destitute poverty. The cultists who spread such ignorant nonsense about GE crops are literally killing people as we speak. Countries like Zambia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2199189.stm) that are ravaged by famine turn down GE food aid on the basis of such superstitious bullshit.

Fade the Butcher
05-05-2006, 10:01 AM
James Watson can rot in hell with his daydreams of genetic bastardization. Short-term economic success is all that counts, right?

What counts as genetic bastardization? Are my wife's favorite strawberries genetic bastards?

Petr
05-05-2006, 10:51 AM
I still haven't figured out what is so reprehensible about GE crops. GE usually involves small changes in the genomes of various plant and animal species, say, the introduction of a few genes. OTOH, the process of domesticating any given species from its wild ancestor induces massive changes in its genome. The whole argument that GE is "unnatural" is completely bogus. The same can be said of virtually everything Americans consume today. There is nothing "natural" about the coffee I happen to be drinking right now.
Save us from the GM Food Industry PR talk, Fade the Non-Scientist. (There are many real scientists involved in anti-GM campaign.)

Just like antibiotics are beginning to fail due to overuse, so will this stuff. The humanist illusion of perfect order will fail.


"When genetically modified soya came on the scene it seemed like a heaven-sent solution to Argentina's agricultural problems. Now it is being blamed for an environmental crisis"

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/gm-food/mg18224436.100-argentinas-bitter-harvest.html


"The results of the world's largest ever trial of GM crops show that two out of the three tested - oilseed rape and sugar beet - had a worse impact on farmland wildlife than conventional crops."

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/gm-food/dn4283-gm-crops-can-be-worse-for-environment.html

Countries like Zambia that are ravaged by famine turn down GE food aid on the basis of such superstitious bullshit.
At least they are ready to suffer for their principles - something I'm sure is very alien to you.


And that is another thing I was yet to tell you, another that many, many classical philosophers took pride in the way they managed to control the instincts of their lower animal nature - they took pride in being "un-natural," or being above the nature in the moral sense. Some even praised Jews for their principled stance against pork.

But you of course are now an utterly stereotypical progressive, arrogantly scorning traditions.


Petr

Petr
05-05-2006, 10:52 AM
What counts as genetic bastardization? Are my wife's favorite strawberries genetic bastards?
I frankly don't believe that you have a wife. What does she think about you wasting all your time on the Net?


Petr

Sulla the Dictator
05-06-2006, 11:47 PM
James Watson weighs in here on Petr and his ilk.


Why are you quoting Watson? Watson believes that gene therapy will soon be able to raise the bottom 10% of the intellectual gene pool into competition with everyone else. You don't believe that anymore, since your reactionary new position statement in the lounge. Ergo, Watson must be wrong.