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Felix the Cat
04-29-2006, 08:40 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060427.RUSSIA27/TPStory/?query=immigration

MAGILEVKA, RUSSIA -- A trespasser appeared in Boris Matrinitski's front yard one morning in early January: A middle-aged Chinese man, wearing an old uniform, trudging through the deep snow. The man wasn't carrying any bags and didn't seem dressed for the cold.

In another place, in another time, Mr. Matrinitski might have offered him shelter.

But this village of Magilevka is just a few kilometres north of the Ussuri River, which separates China from the vast wilderness of Russia's Far East. Thousands of illegal migrants cross the river every year and the Russian government has become deeply concerned about defending its territory.

Mr. Matrinitski rushed outside and tackled the Chinese man. He restrained his captive and called the border guards, who took him away.

It's not common for Russian villagers to physically throw themselves at people they suspect of being illegal immigrants. But Mr. Matrinitski is a Cossack, a descendant of the horsemen who defended Russia's borders for centuries, and the Kremlin has recently taken steps to revive the Cossacks' warrior spirit.

"Boris reacted honourably," said Georgy Torhov, 67, commander of Mr. Matrinitski and hundreds of other Cossacks around this village. "This interloper was stopped within the first 24 hours. But we need to react even faster."

Once a proud vanguard of the Russian empire, the Cossacks have dwindled in recent years into a glorified social club.

Their ancestors rode horses, mustered armies and defended the borderlands. Now, many Cossacks ride busses, work ordinary jobs and rarely dust off their ceremonial uniforms.

But motivated by gnawing fears about security along its sparsely populated border areas, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law in December that aims to reinstate the old paramilitary society. After years of repression under the Soviet Union, the new law gives Cossacks broad powers -- and funding -- to patrol the borders, recruit soldiers, organize disaster-response units, assist the forestry service, maintain public order and fight terrorism.

Branches of the federal government already exist for all these functions, but the Cossacks are viewed as an extra layer of protection in a country that feels increasingly nervous about its security and territorial integrity.

Those may seem like unusual fears for Russia, which still has enough nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to theoretically kill everyone on the planet. But Russia's conventional military has dwindled, along with its shrinking population.

Demographers predict that Russia will suffer a sharp decline in population over the next half-century, losing perhaps a third of its people, and the situation will be worst in the Far East. This region's population has already dwindled by 18 per cent since the Soviet Union imploded in 1991, as the empire abruptly cut support for its farthest outposts.

Russia's Far Eastern Military District has lost more than half its motorized divisions since the Soviet collapse, along with a third of its submarines and half its combat ships. One Far Eastern commander recently complained that so many of his planes and helicopters had fallen into disrepair that half of them couldn't lift off the ground.

The looming demographic disaster could make this situation worse. A report by the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations calculated that Russia drafts about one-third of the young men eligible for mandatory military service every year, or about 300,000 men. But the number of 18-year-olds in Russia will decline to 600,000 by 2015 -- meaning that the government may be forced to choose between two unpleasant options: Make tougher rules and draft a higher percentage of the population, or accept a smaller army.

"The demographic situation is becoming a true security threat," said a draft national-security strategy leaked from Russia's Foreign and Defence Policy Council this year.

Komsomolskaya Pravda, a newspaper loyal to the Kremlin, summarized the worry expressed in many parts of the Russian news media in a recent commentary: "China is in no hurry," the newspaper wrote. "It is waiting for a situation where there will be no Russians left on Siberian soil and then, it will be able to lay claims to these territories against immigrants from Asia and the Caucasus."

Even serious academics in Moscow are openly debating whether a Chinese incursion is possible.

"China will invade Siberia and the Russian Far East, and it will be a very disagreeable situation," said Anatoly Vishnevsky, director of the Centre for Human Demography and Ecology at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Vladimir Portyakov, deputy director of the Institute of Far Eastern Studies, was more sanguine. "The Chinese threat is exaggerated," he said.

In the Far Eastern city of Khabarovsk, the Chinese consulate is accustomed to playing down such concerns.

"There is no reason to say such things," said Fan Xianrong, China's consul general, with a patient smile. "It would never be possible for Russia to lose its territory. Russia is a powerful state. It can defend itself and hold itself together."

Across town, the Cossacks aren't so easily placated. Vladimir Kroukov, owner of a metal works factory, has reinvented himself as chieftain of the Amur Host and estimates he commands 2,000 Cossacks in the Far Eastern region. That's a small force compared with the armies that conquered Siberia in the 16th century for Ivan the Terrible, and pushed further into the Far East in the 19th century.

But Mr. Kroukov said the numbers will grow as the new authority and money from Moscow brings life to the old tradition. He's eager to revive all aspects of Cossack life -- the legendary bravery, horsemanship and military ceremony -- but he's emphatic about their most urgent mission.

"The Chinese are very carefully testing our border, every metre, to see how well it's protected by the Russians," Mr. Kroukov said. "They want to know our system, how strong it is."

The old system in the czarist era involved giving Cossack farmers free consignments of land along Russia's 4,300-kilometre border with China. In exchange for the land, the Cossacks kept watch. They lost this privilege after they backed the anti-Communist forces during Russia's civil war, but leaders such as Mr. Kroukov are trying to reorganize the border villages.

One of the most successful border projects is Magilevka, about 70 kilometres south of Khabarovsk, which has about 300 Cossacks in the district. The local Cossack leader, Mr. Torhov, remembers the skills he learned as a dog handler for the federal border service. The new federal law will give him authority to patrol with Bam, his Siberian hunting dog.

"Now these dogs will get a workout again," Mr. Torhov said.

sugartits
04-29-2006, 09:27 PM
This is great news.

Gleb
04-30-2006, 05:48 AM
Go Cossacks! A very wise decision by Putin.

Dan Dare
04-30-2006, 06:54 AM
It's been a while since there's been a decent pogrom.

Nice to see the Cossacks back in the saddle.

VAMPIR
06-12-2006, 10:21 PM
It's been a while since there's been a decent pogrom.

Nice to see the Cossacks back in the saddle.
....wooooow!!! Sons of big Don are in the house again!!!!:thanks:
Saint Georgie must be proud about!!!:thanks: :strong: :nopity: :whip:
Privet Kazaki!!!!

WFHermans
06-12-2006, 10:37 PM
http://www.armymuseum.ru/images/roa/okorokov.jpg

Good idea!

Torquil
06-13-2006, 04:36 AM
Perhaps a few thousand Cossacks could be hired by the US government to patrol their southern border.

Daniel Shays
06-13-2006, 04:55 AM
Documentary on modern Cossacks: http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6433 HIGHLY Recommended.

VAMPIR
06-15-2006, 09:15 PM
http://www.geocities.com/almatyfinito/cossacs.jpg
http://horsecare.stablemade.com/images/Articles/kalmy_don_kozaks.jpg
Privet Kazaki!!!! :strong:

Aistulf
06-17-2006, 03:12 AM
Этот план очень хороший, Казаки хороши! Казаки, мои готские братья!

VAMPIR
06-17-2006, 04:28 AM
Этот план очень хороший, Казаки хороши! Казаки, мое готские братья!
Your ghotic brothers???

Aistulf
06-18-2006, 12:50 AM
Your ghotic brothers?
Да, дети крымских готских народ (http://www.rusrepublic.ru/book/titl27.htm)!

VAMPIR
06-18-2006, 05:04 AM
Да, дети крымских готских народ (http://www.rusrepublic.ru/book/titl27.htm)!
Yeah.... and patr of them are from Jupiter...:rofl:

Gleb
06-18-2006, 11:26 AM
Yeah.... and patr of them are from Jupiter...:rofl:

LOL

Cossacks are Russian mostly, with some Tatar and Ukranian mixed in.

WFHermans
06-18-2006, 09:28 PM
I would say most are Ukrainian.

Slavic Enforcer
06-18-2006, 09:33 PM
Cossacks of Gothic origin.. yeah, my ass!

dimitrije
06-18-2006, 11:14 PM
I would say most are Ukrainian.
I think you are right but this story about gothic origin of Cossacks sound like santa really exist

Aistulf
06-19-2006, 01:27 AM
Казаки есть русские, да: наследство славян и скифов. А, тоже готы (http://www.rusrepublic.ru/book/titl27.htm). Часть лексикона, с языка казаков, германск (тевтонский).Например: Атаман (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD) → Хетман [Hetman] → Hauptmann (германский за: лидер).


http://www.armybook.com/im/small/w86.jpg http://www.belletrist.ru/images/peoplimages/zzlimag/lesin-platov.jpg http://www.planetadvd.ru/products_pictures/ataman.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Pyotr_Krasnov.jpg http://www.albombomond.ru/images/article/379/pics/1.jpg

Gleb
06-19-2006, 05:26 AM
Казаки есть русские, да: наследство славян и скифов. А, тоже готы (http://www.rusrepublic.ru/book/titl27.htm). Часть лексикона, с языка казаков, германск (тевтонский).Например: Атаман (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD) → Хетман [Hetman] → Hauptmann (германский за: лидер).


Cossacks are a relatively new formation, you can not trace their lineage back to Goths. If a Russian for a sandwich is "buterbrod" that doesn't make Russians Germanic, does it?

Gleb
06-19-2006, 07:53 AM
Could someone knowledgable in IE-germano-slavic history comment how credible this info is? It is from Aistulf's link, translated by babelfish, I hope it is readable enough.


Up to the onset of Turks from central Asia (Altai mountains) in the territory of present European Russia was formed the first public education - Gothic union of Ermanarich. The Goths - ancestors of present cossacks, they lived in the North Black Sea area and they were ethnically very close to the Scandinavians, who in turn were moved into Scandinavia somewhat earlier from the territory of the coast of Azov sea. Autonym of ancient Scandinavians - aces. And Azov sea precisely is called on their name. The Earth aces was called - Asia (Asia). In the territory of the Crimea Gothic kingdom existed up to 16 centuries. When Germans during the occupation of the Crimea produced scientific searches, then according to their results they recognized cossacks as the nearest relatives of Germans. Very origin of German peoples is directly connected with the Goth-cossack- aces, undoubtedly these names belong to one people. According to ancient-Iceland sagas Arian people was shared into its time into two parts - aces and vanov. Aces - this ancestors it is ready, cossacks, Rooses, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Germans. However, Vany - the ancestors of Slav peoples, venedov. The native language of both vanov and aces was Russian. Present German languages appeared much later, after the Germans suddenly "numbed" and they began to be called by Germans. Obviously they "numbed" as a result of the activity of the Catholic preachers, who crossed Germans. We, Russians, are nearer according to their origin to the Germans and cossacks, but not to the Slavs. Although Slavs - also related to us peoples. According to the earliest manuscripts - "bertinskiye annals", the "narratives of temporary years", to treatise "about control of the empire" Of k.Bagryanorodnogo, Scandinavian- Varangians they were called by Rooses. The first appearance of Turks in the territory of European Russia is fixed in the convoy of the Hunnic conquerors Of atilly. Hunns - ancestors of contemporary Magyar- Hungarians, they related to the finnskoy race, formed from the mixture of white and yellow races. Ancient Turks - related to the yellow race, today only Central-Asian Turks preserve their predominantly mongoloidnyy type. After the disintegration it is Hunnic -Avarskogo of khanate, in which remained the influence of Finno-Ugric tribes, appeared purely the Turkish khanates: Turkish khanate, eastern and Western Turkish khanate, great Bulgarian khanate (into the Volga Region) and The khazarskiy khanate (in Daghestan). The territory of the settling of Turks on the medieval European maps was called great Of tartariya. Name "Tatars" also originates from word "tartarus" - on Greek so is called underground reign Aida, that transformed into the Adas is later. In the Russian language to tat' - the synonym of robber and killer. As a result of Hunn- Tatar invasion in Europe large part it is ready it ran to the West, where they established early feudal states. Until now the large part of the European aristocratic it is ancestral it conducts its origin from the ancient it is finished. Smaller part stepped back into the Crimea and the Taman peninsula, where were formed Gothic kingdom and T'mutarakanskoye principality. In the middle OF THE VII century between two recently educated Turkish states by great Bulgaria and Khazariyey began the war, in which victory gained khazary. The part of the broken Bulgarians ran to Danube and it there established Danube Bulgaria. Present Bulgarians - are slavyanoyazychnye Turks, Tatars. After gaining the victory above the Bulgarians, khazary considerably were strengthened. Under their authority fell under entire North Black Sea area, large part of the Crimea, Azov region, North Caucasus, the lower Volga Region and the Caspian Transvolga region - all these territories previously belonged to the ancestors of Rooses - aces. The second-half OF THE VII century includes the subjugation by khazarami of the territory of future Kiev Russia, naselenoy by Slavs -vanami-venedami. In one hundred years the top of Turkish khazarskoy to znati accepted Judaism in its karaimskoy version, i.e., without the respect of talmud and oral legend of israelite- talmudists. Along entire Khazarii and territories subordinated to it began to settle the israelites, who here organized their firm business - slave trade. For their protection from the raids of slave-traders -xazar the Slavs began to invite the soldier- Varangians, who called themselves Rooses. Russian army under the command Of ryurika gradually began to otvoyevyvat' Slav and its age-old territories in khazar. More than hundred years lasted the war of Rooses with khazarami and its supporting Byzantium. Only after march in 965 year of one of the descendant Of ryurika of Svyatoslav Rooses succeeded himself in finally destroying great Khazarskiy khanate. The large part of destroyed khazar is shrewd to the east and about them nothing not there was audibly one-and-a-half century. In THE XII century they already by the name Tatar Mongol returned to Russia, having simultaneously subjugated the tyurkoyazychnye tribes of Polovetss and Bulgarians, who by that time no longer presented threat for Russia. Tatar marches to Russia the first time met the unanimous rebuff of Russian princes. In spite of to the turn of defeats from the Tatars no one and into the head came the possibility to surrender without the fight or to pass to the side of enemy. Well-known prince Aleksandr nevskiy first was gone over into the Tatar camp. In spite of its military exploits, his three times progonyalo Novgorod meeting for greediness, encroachment of the individual authority and unworthy behavior. After it for the last time they drove away from Novgorod Aleksandr nevskiy it appeared in the horde, it complained itself to its fate to khan batyyu and proposed to it its services. Since Aleksandr nevskiy was the first Russian prince, who passed to the service to Tatars that he was given affection by them. Nevskiy became the foster son Of batyya and in 1252 to him was entrusted the label to great knyazheniye Vladimir - richest Russian earth, conquered by Tatars. In ten years, in 1262 in entire northeastern Russia flared up the uprising against the Tatar collectors of tribute - Baskakov. The battle of the bells, which collected people to the urban meeting, became signal to the uprising. Aleksandr nevskiy remained accurate to his Tatar selection. He took most active part in the suppression of uprising Russian people against inorodtsev. The combatants of Nevskiy, just as Tatars, cut off fingers, ears and noses, they cut with the whip of prisoners, burnt houses and cities. After the suppression of uprising all town-meeting bells were taken and destroyed. Urban self-guidance was dissolved and northeastern Russia became the province of horde, which only set by horde princes governed. Subsequently numerous posterity of Aleksandr nevskiy continued to correctly serve Tatars is still is somewhat age-long. Thus, in fifty years the grandson of Neva Moscow prince Ivan kalit executive gathered tribute for the Tatars. The collaboration of Moscow princes with the Tatars gradually developed into rivalry. Specifically, by this rivalry are explained separate conflicts between the Moscow and Tatar troops in the times of the division of gold horde by several khanates: Kazan', Astrakhan, Siberian, Crimean. This rivalry did not prevent the Moscow princes and the Tatar khans from being in the closely-related relations and assuming to itself upon the service of yielded its neighbors. So for example during the taking of Kazan by Moscow troops, together with them participated in the assault the Tatar khans, who competed with the Kazan' khan. Friendship with the Tatars constrained Moscow princes not to entrust age-old Russian aristocracy - boyards and they in every way possible attempted to weaken or to completely destroy ancient rhrikovice1- boyars, which finally led to Ivan grozny's "opritchnina".

Petyr Baelish
06-19-2006, 08:10 AM
First of all, it should be pointed out that Cossacks are not an ethic group, but rather a hereditary class, something along the lines of the Japanese samurai; perhaps the term 'caste' would be appropriate when referring to the Cossacks.

Secondly, the Cossacks do not represent a unified entity - the Don Cossacks are different from the Kuban Cossacks, who are in turn different from the Zaporopzhje Cossacks in apperance and mannerisms.

As for their ethnic origins, the Cossacks are similar to the rest of the population of Southern Russia; they are mesocephalic, leptoprosopic, dark haired, and light eyed, descended primarily from the ancient Iranian-speaking tribes (Scythians, Sarmatians, etc...) who used to dwell in the area.

Gleb
06-19-2006, 09:04 AM
That's pretty much what I always thought, but how about the whole Russian - Goth connection claimed in the article? Scandinavians from Azov sea, etc.?

Petyr Baelish
06-19-2006, 10:50 AM
That's pretty much what I always thought, but how about the whole Russian - Goth connection claimed in the article? Scandinavians from Azov sea, etc.?

That's complete and utter bullshit. :)

Anyone with a good command of Russian and access to a university library who wishes to understand the ethnic history of the sub-populations of Russia should pick up a copy of V. V. Bunak's Проискхождение и Етническая История Русского Народа.

VAMPIR
06-28-2006, 07:14 AM
That's complete and utter bullshit. :)

Anyone with a good command of Russian and access to a university library who wishes to understand the ethnic history of the sub-populations of Russia should pick up a copy of V. V. Bunak's Проискхождение и Етническая История Русского Народа.
100% correct.