How crazy are you?

[Anarch]

This is not a test. State the things that you think make you 'abnormal'.

We'll see how crazy the phora actually is.

[Anarch]

Irregular psychotic episodes (amplified anxiety attacks, rage, terror), on average once every one or two months, generally lasts an hour.
Auditory hallucinations.
Chaotic and often counterproductive emotions.
Compulsive behaviour.

[Der Sozialist]

Irregular psychotic episodes (amplified anxiety attacks, rage, terror), on average once every one or two months, generally lasts an hour.
Auditory hallucinations.
Chaotic and often counterproductive emotions.
Compulsive behaviour.

I have experienced ‘hallucinations’ from time to time (visual) however they are infrequent and sporadic and probably due to stress.

People describe me as a Sociopath but I doubt that makes me crazy.

[jcs]

People describe me as a Sociopath but I doubt that makes me crazy.
I pretended to be a sociopath for three years and was quite convinced that I was one.

[albion]

http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/AnimalHouseBelushiToga3-thumb.jpg I refuse to testify against myself ... http://www.anni80.info/movies/images/toga.jpg
but they made this movie in my hometown.

[Petyr Baelish]

Irregular psychotic episodes (amplified anxiety attacks, rage, terror), on average once every one or two months, generally lasts an hour.

Those sound more like panic attacks than psychotic episodes.

[Der Sozialist]

I pretended to be a sociopath for three years and was quite convinced that I was one.

Yes, it is very easy to pretend to be a Sociopath. However, I do not believe that I am a true Sociopath—I just control my emotions better than most people.

[Petyr Baelish]

People describe me as a Sociopath but I doubt that makes me crazy.

Do you have a conscience?

[Petyr Baelish]

Yes, it is very easy to pretend to be a Sociopath. However, I do not believe that I am a true Sociopath—I just control my emotions better than most people.

Emotional control is not something that sociopaths are renowned for.

[Janus]

I am not.

[...]

[Der Sozialist]

Do you have a conscience?

If you could elaborate, I would be happy to respond.

[Petyr Baelish]

If you could elaborate, I would be happy to respond.

Do you have an innate (biological) sense of "right" and "wrong"? Can you forge true emotional attachments with people? Do you care about your family (not only insofar as they can be used towards your advantage)? A true sociopath could murder his children in cold blood and not lose a second of sleep over it.

[Anarch]

Those sound more like panic attacks than psychotic episodes.

True, though I'm not aware the concept of a panic attack incorporates spontaneous rage.

[Petyr Baelish]

True, though I'm not aware the concept of a panic attack incorporates spontaneous rage.

Episodes of spontaneous, overwhelming rage are often symptomatic of borderline personality disorder (which I doubt you have) and/or temporal lobe dysfunction.

[Anarch]

Emotional control is not something that sociopaths are renowned for.

True. More the ability to use and abuse people rather skillfully, lack guilt, fake happiness, and so on. Everything is mere appearance.

[jcs]

Do you have an innate (biological) sense of "right" and "wrong"? Can you forge true emotional attachments with people? Do you care about your family (not only insofar as they can be used towards your advantage)? A true sociopath could murder his children in cold blood and not lose a second of sleep over it.
A person who likes to think he's a sociopath can also convince himself that he could murder his children and be emotionally fine. He might, given enough convincing, even be able to do this and feel no emotional trauma; at least not immediately. Eventually, of course, his charade will fall apart and he'll feel tremendously guilty.

Similarly, a sociopath could be convinced that he has a conscience, if conditioned properly.

[Berianidze]

I'm extremely compulsive (although not actually OCD); and I have been diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder--most notedly my distrust in other individuals or groups, perceived attacks on my character by others that force me to lash out first, hold grudges forever.

[Petyr Baelish]

Similarly, a sociopath could be convinced that he has a conscience, if conditioned properly.

This is false. A sociopath can no more be "conditioned" to have a conscience than a Down syndrome sufferer be "conditioned" to have an IQ of 150 - neither has the neurological circuitry required to handle those respective functions.

[Starr]

I used to have some light anxiety issues when I was younger that have gotten better with age. but they were more of the sweaty palms, heart racing, type. I have never had any hallucinations or anything similar to that. I came close once, but only after smoking something I shouldn't have.:p

Probably the most bizarre thing about me is that I am a really bad hypochondriac. Anything even slightly out of the ordinary will convince me that I am dying of some dreadful and incurable disease. This has been with me since I was a kid. Most of my earlier anxiety seemed to revolve around this as well.

[jcs]

This is false. A psychopath can no more be "conditioned" to have a conscience than a Down syndrome sufferer be "conditioned" to have an IQ of 150 - neither has the neurological circuitry required to deal with those respective functions.
A sociopath has the neurological circuitry to comprehend: if x, then y. If he believed that anything defined as 'bad' resulted in something he didn't like, he could behave as if he had a conscience, and perhaps even believe he had one.

[Starr]

Most people seem to be psychopaths on some level.

[Der Sozialist]

Do you have an innate (biological) sense of "right" and "wrong"?

I have stated somewhere on this forum that I don’t believe a biological basis exists for morality—I believe it is all conditioned.

If the rewards exceeded the risks/losses I would murder with little emotional baggage attached—after all, soldiers do the same.

Can you forge true emotional attachments with people?

I have had friends/girlfriends—do these count as true emotional attachments?

However, if any special emotional bond existed—I was unaware of it. I often viewed friends/girlfriends as entertainment and I feel most do the same.

Do you care about your family (not only insofar as they can be used towards your advantage)?

Yes, I have some emotional space reserved for my family. How much? I am not sure.

A true sociopath could murder his children in cold blood and not lose a second of sleep over it.

I doubt I could be that cold-hearted—however, I am determined not to have children. They infuriate me, in short.

[Starr]

A true sociopath could murder his children in cold blood and not lose a second of sleep over it.

Most people would not be able to do something like this. But a lot of people would be able to steal a whole shitload of money or kill or arrange to have someone killed that they hate, without giving it a lot of thought, other than getting caught, I would think.

[Petyr Baelish]

A sociopath has the neurological circuitry to comprehend: if x, then y. If he believed that anything defined as 'bad' resulted in something he didn't like, he could behave as if he had a conscience, and perhaps even believe he had one.

Intelligence != conscience (although the two are highly correlated). A sociopath will behave in a way that he sees as being advantageous to himself; how such behavior affects others (and concern for others is an extremely important component of of conscience) is, in and of itself, irrelevant to the sociopath. The more intelligent sociopaths tend to behave in a way that makes it appear as though they possess a conscience, but this is nothing more than an elaborate charade. The neurological systems that modulate fear, aggression, love, and empathy in normal humans are either absent of grossly impaired in the sociopath; the sociopath senses that he is very different from those who surround him, and I very much doubt that he can be "convinced" to feel an emotion, such as love, that he is quite literally incapable of feeling.

[brigadier Biggles]

some interesting stuff here, i don't know how crazy or dysfunctional i am, probably up there with norman bates.

ive been close to taking an axe out to "gary" cars a few times to smash them up and shut them up for good, pretty demented a ?, sometimes when i go out i always feel the need to defend myself even though ive been attacked like once in my whole life, in fact the best way of going on a murderous rampage is a daily thought, but im not that violent in reality and arent the victim of violence, i just hate people.

[Lionheart]

To those of you well versed in the subject: is the character, Patrick Bateman, in American Psycho an accurate portrayal of a sociopath?

The only problem I really struggle with is my perfectionism--which leads to lots of anxiety.

[Der Sozialist]

To those of you well versed in the subject: is the character, Patrick Bateman, in American Psycho an accurate portrayal of a sociopath?

The only problem I really struggle from is my perfectionism.

I would classify ‘him’ more as a psychopath than a sociopath.

[Petyr Baelish]

I would classify ‘him’ more as a psychopath than a sociopath.

The two terms are essentially equivalent.

[Starr]

The more intelligent sociopaths tend to behave in a way that makes it appear as though they possess a conscience, but this is nothing more than elaborate charade

this fits someone like Ted Bundy all the way.

[Der Sozialist]

The two terms are essentially equivalent.

Not really, in my opinion.

In my opinion, a psychopath has a need to kill people but that does not necessarily mean that the psychopath lacks a ‘conscience’. However, a sociopath will only kill when it suits himself.

[Fade the Butcher]

I have been told by several people that I have a cold, detached, unsentimental personality; that I have a habit of analyzing people as opposed to feeling with them. I'm like the exact opposite of the excitable, colorful Med who talks with his hands. What does this mean? For example, I was criticized by my wife the other day for being critical of two homosexuals she happens to know who just had a huge funeral for their dog that died of old age. I tried to explain that the dog was just an animal (one that lived longer than most), but she insisted that I was missing the point; that the dog was, in their eyes, a family member and its death with the equivilant of losing a child. We had a long argument about this. I don't see how this would make me a sociopath. I have never had any problem empathizing with others. I'm actually quite passionate about things like science, progress, family, community, protecting the environment, and race betterment generally.

[Petyr Baelish]

Not really, in my opinion.

In my opinion, a psychopath has a need to kill people but that does not necessarily mean that the psychopath lacks a ‘conscience’. However, a sociopath will only kill when it suits himself.

In the past, clinical psychology and psychiatry used the term "psychopath" to describe those who would nowadays be diagnosed with "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" under the DSM IV diagnostic criteria, i.e. sociopaths. Contrary to the prevalent misconception, psychopaths (or sociopaths, whichever term you prefer) do not usually have an innate desire to kill people, nor are the majority of murders psychopaths.

[Der Sozialist]

Clinical psychology and psychiatry used the term "psychopath" to describe those who would nowadays be diagnosed with "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" under the DSM IV diagnostic criteria, i.e. sociopaths. Contrary to the prevalent misconception, psychopaths (or sociopaths, whichever term you prefer) do not usually have an innate desire to kill people, nor the majority of murders psychopaths.

I am aware of that—that is why I explicitly stated ‘in my opinion.’ However, I tend to want to differentiate between the serial killers of the world and some Machiavellian type politician.

[Donny the Punk]

What is this, share week at the Phora? Bobina's sure got you all marching to the beat of her drum. :p

I have been told by several people that I have a cold, detached, unsentimental personality; that I have a habit of analyzing people as opposed to feeling with them. I'm like the exact opposite of the excitable, colorful Med who talks with his hands. What does this mean? For example, I was criticized by my wife the other day for being critical of two homosexuals she happens to know who just had a huge funeral for their dog that died of old age. I tried to explain that the dog was just an animal (one that lived longer than most), but she insisted that I was missing the point; that the dog was, in their eyes, a family member and its death with the equivilant of losing a child. We had a long argument about this. I don't see how this would make me a sociopath. I have never had any problem empathizing with others. I'm actually quite passionate about things like science, progress, family, community, protecting the environment, and race betterment generally.
LOL. Do you own a personal copy of the required emotions to make you human? :rofl:

[Petyr Baelish]

I have been told by several people that I have a cold, detached, unsentimental personality; that I have a habit of analyzing people as opposed to feeling with them. I'm like the exact opposite of the excitable, colorful Med who talks with his hands. What does this mean? For example, I was criticized by my wife the other day for being critical of two homosexuals she happens to know who just had a huge funeral for their dog that died of old age. I tried to explain that the dog was just an animal (one that lived longer than most), but she insisted that I was missing the point; that the dog was, in their eyes, a family member and its death with the equivilant of losing a child. We had a long argument about this. I don't see how this would make me a sociopath.

I don't think it does. Complete lack of empathy characterizes sociopaths (and even then, it is just one of their personality traits); whereas it is understandable that you would not empathize much with two faggots deeply bereaved over the death of an animal, a true sociopath would not feel any emotion even at the death of a family member. You simply have a different theory of mind than your wife does, which is why you cannot empathize with two poofters going into hysterics over a flea-ridden mutt :D.

[Sinclair]

I'm a wee bit neurotic. But really, nothing unusual for the "bookish" type...

But, every now and then, I get this feeling of disconnect and sort of disassociation.

I mean, every individual human is just so utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I've got some things due for school on Friday... How can that really be the result of the forces that have created this world? What actually were the chances of me ever being born? Is this real?

It's quite intense sometimes.

EDIT: I can also be strangely sentimental, especially over things that happened when I was a young child.

I think the reason for this is that when I was younger, things were "easier". For the longest time, I didn't really feel much guilt for things. I often didn't care what other people thought of me, and didn't really understand a lot of the time. I'd be annoying and not know it. I didn't have enough self-control.

Then, maybe when I was around 13-14, things changed. I'm not sure why. I became more nervous. I started feeling more shame and guilt and foolishness, I think more than is really normal (As in I stay up at night worrying about things that happened a long time ago that don't matter). I think I'm a better person, in terms of how I treat others, but sometimes I feel like my mind is torturing me, by listing the ways I'm unworthy, not good enough, the ways I've failed...

So I'm sort of sentimental for the days when everything was simple, even if I wasn't as good a person then.

[Starr]

I have been told by several people that I have a cold, detached, unsentimental personality; that I have a habit of analyzing people as opposed to feeling with them. I'm like the exact opposite of the excitable, colorful Med who talks with his hands. What does this mean? For example, I was criticized by my wife the other day for being critical of two homosexuals she happens to know who just had a huge funeral for their dog that died of old age. I tried to explain that the dog was just an animal (one that lived longer than most), but she insisted that I was missing the point; that the dog was, in their eyes, a family member and its death with the equivilant of losing a child. We had a long argument about this. I don't see how this would make me a sociopath. I have never had any problem empathizing with others. I'm actually quite passionate about things like science, progress, family, community, protecting the environment, and race betterment generally.


The death of the dog would probably make me sad. I have actually cried about dogs, that I did not even have any connection with, dying, but I am nutty like that.:D But basically to a lot of people today if you are not a touchy feely, sissy who cries at the drop of a hat, you are a psychopath.:nono: I see potty has already perfectly laid that out.:D

If you are a woman who is like this it is even worse. outside of the dog thing, I have had a few different people ask me if I had any feelings at all.lol

[Fade the Butcher]

You simply have a different theory of mind than your wife does, which is why you cannot empathize with two poofters going into hysterics over a flea-ridden mutt :D.

Ordinarily, I might have actually felt sorry for them, but the most ridiculous aspect of the whole episode (to me, at least) was the fact that they literally had friends fly in from all over the country to attend the funeral of a dog in their backyard. They actually had a ceremony complete with candles and everything.

[Donny the Punk]

But basically to a lot of people today if you are not a touchy feely, sissy who cries at the drop of a hat, you are a psychopath.:nono: I see potty has already perfectly laid that out.:D
Nothing wrong with touching and feeling.

[Kodos]

This is not a test. State the things that you think make you 'abnormal'.

We'll see how crazy the phora actually is.

Slight paranoia

Aspbergers/low EQ( I go out a lot now to work on this even though I don't drink as this above all else is what holds me back)

ADHD

Dislike ambiguity

I used to be manic depressive but through various Eastern techniques I basically don't really have mood swings or strong emotions at all anymore

[Kodos]

Episodes of spontaneous, overwhelming rage are often symptomatic of borderline personality disorder (which I doubt you have) and/or temporal lobe dysfunction.

Don't bipolar/manic depressives get it...

[OVERWATCH]

I'm pretty mentally sound, actually.

I have a panic attack or two every year, during the winter because of 'cabin fever'. That's pretty normal.

When I was younger I contained a lot of anxiety and rage. Those have both just about disappeared with age.

I am, however, a bit of a hypochondriac; that's why I've studied a lot of medical books like the Merck Manual, in depth. I only see a doctor or hospital extremely rarely, when I am in dire need of care (like the kidney stone).

I have no problems relating to most folks at all, and have no issues with self-esteem or lack of confidence. No mood swings either. I do have a tad bit of a schizoid personality, tho. Not enough to qualify as a 'disorder'.

[Berianidze]

The two terms are essentially equivalent.
From my limited experience with psychology, I was always under the impression that there were some difference; they've only been categorized as similar in layman speak and in general society. From what I can remember, a psychopath exhibits an extreme form of anti-social behavior--lacking any clear understanding or conciosness of his actions, while conversely the sociopath is prone to anti-social behavior but not necessarily violence and is well aware of his actions. A sociopath is someone who demonstrates anti-social personality disorder. Psychopathy is usually tested with the diagnostic Psychopathy Checklist (revised). The two are strongly correlated, but not necessarily one in the same.

[OVERWATCH]

I doubt I could be that cold-hearted—however, I am determined not to have children. They infuriate me, in short.

WC Fields was a great man.

"There isn't a man alive today, that hasn't had a secret desire to kick a child in the ass"

and

"get away from me boy, yer botherin' me"

I take a WC Fields stance when it comes to kids and dogs.

[OVERWATCH]

some interesting stuff here, i don't know how crazy or dysfunctional i am, probably up there with norman bates.

ive been close to taking an axe out to "gary" cars a few times to smash them up and shut them up for good, pretty demented a ?, sometimes when i go out i always feel the need to defend myself even though ive been attacked like once in my whole life, in fact the best way of going on a murderous rampage is a daily thought, but im not that violent in reality and arent the victim of violence, i just hate people.

One of the most fun moments in my life was when I, in my 1978 CobraII mustang, chased down over about 10 miles a carload of snot-nosed punks, who were driving past my house yelling obscenties and driving off; unfortunately for them, we were sitting in my car in the driveway, chased their asses down, overtook them on the highway (with their mouths agape) and smashed their windshield @ 70mph with a full glass bottle :222:

Another great time was had when a load of antiracist brats, did the same thing over and over until I threw a five(5) pound machine bolt at their new minivan, breaking the big side window.

Ahh... those were the days... :cool:

[OVERWATCH]

I have experienced ‘hallucinations’ from time to time (visual) however they are infrequent and sporadic and probably due to stress.


I've had wavy hallucinations before. I think it might be from the long lasting effects of LSD. It doesn't happen any longer.

[Petyr Baelish]

- Asperger's

Do you stim?

@Weikel - same question.

I need to be conscious of how I am acting at all times or I will seem bizarre. I "know" how to behave in social situations, but it does not come naturally. I have practiced enough that I am able to appear, if not gregarious, normal, usually, but I am not able to adjust to unanticipated happenings very well.

I have the same problem, except that after recurring failure to develop a pattern of behaviors and mannerisms that "normal" people would feel comfortable with, I simply gave up trying. The few people who really matter don't mind my stereotypies, pedantic speech, and avoidance of eye-contact much, if at all, but it still freaks out the occassional stranger :p. I wish I could say that I really don't give a fuck, but it does bother me; social situations are the only time when my consciousness is awash in self-monitoring mental dialogue.

[Starr]

I have heard that quite a few people have said I was either strange or snotty. I assume because I also have a problem with the eye contact thing and I find it very difficult to sit there and chat away about bullshit with people I don't know that well. this is also very boring. When I am not interested in what someone is saying or the person, I find it very difficult to pretend that I am. A couple of drinks(even a slight buzz) changes this dramatically.

[Helios Panoptes]

Do you stim?

Yes, I rock. This especially happens when I am a passenger in a car, for some reason. I also hum softly sometimes without realizing.

The few people who really matter don't mind my stereotypies, pedantic speech, and avoidance of eye-contact much, if at all, but it still freaks out the occassional stranger

Eye contact is particularly difficult to manage because if I make a conscious effort to make it, I tend to fixate on others in a way that makes them uncomfortable. Regulating my eye contact over a 10 minute conversation with a stranger(people who know me have come to accept my ways) is arduous.

Many people find my pedantic speech endearing. I am a "character."

[Starr]

what are you like on LSD, or your other drugs of choice?:D

[Eisenhans]

Neverending depression
Heightened irritability
Buildup of hatred-haven't exploded yet
Lack of compassion
Paruresis

[Helios Panoptes]

I have stated somewhere on this forum that I don’t believe a biological basis exists for morality—I believe it is all conditioned.

It is not surpising that a person with no moral sense would think that morality is "all conditioned." In this way, the person can enjoy the delusion that he has risen above the indoctrination to which his fellows have fallen, as opposed to the disconcerting belief that his utter amorality is symptomatic of a malformed brain.

[Vindex]

Nope I'am balanced dude, this causes problems in other people because the average person is unbalanced. I'am also sensitive/insensitive. I can relate with people and can read them well, but I still might just not care to help them if their assholes. I have the ability to be introverted and the opposite Not too long ago I walked into my friends apartment and his roomates where having a party with their friends there all late teens early 20's. So I sat down and talked with them by the end of the night I had a very atentive room of people, talking and thinking Radical Traditionalism/National Socialism and all agreeing with me, and one even decided to quit their harmful life style. Some of time when I'am bored I will strike up conversations with total strangers and in under half a hour they treat me like a old friend. For example I was waiting for a friend to show up for a appointment so I sat in a coffee shop and started up a conversation with a group of people and got them interested in National Socialism and Occultism very fast. When I talk with friends in public places on political, ecomonic issues I have strangers come up and shake my hand and agree with me out of the blue. And I have stood up in front of very big groups of people and spoken and gotten standing applause and once started a mini-riot. But I can also go weeks without being around people other then work where I might say two words the whole day. Most of the time I'am a very aloof person though.

[Donny the Punk]

The litany of mental disorders in this thread is staggering. Proportional to forum membership, it's as if you people inhabited a country where 80% of the citizenry suffered from three or more psychological dysfunctions. Either this is the much-vaunted, future WN state in microcosm or you're all starved for attention.

[riddlemethis]

Looks like abortion, the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, sex slavery, the Coliseum, etc. prove that the majority of people in an area can easily have "malformed brains." Come to think, that's an easy pill to swallow after browsing this forum for a while.

The litany of mental disorders in this thread is staggering. Proportional to forum membership, it's as if you people inhabited a country where 80% of the citizenry suffered from three or more psychological dysfunctions. Either this is the much-vaunted, future WN state in microcosm or you're all starved for attention.
An augury of the future WNpire's inevitable triumph, it'z.

[Starr]

Potty, do you find that the majority of people out there are what you would call sane, these days?

I was just commenting with a friend about how almost everyone we know in our age range seems to have some type of serious issues. It is not surprising with how screwed up society is as a whole, the breakup of the traditional family having a major role, among many other things.

I have two friends who are bi-polar, one of which almost acts more like a paronoid schizophrenic at times. And the person I just mentioned that I spoke with recently got dumped by his girlfriend who is now in a lesbian relationship. He was kicked out of the house they shared by her new woman.:222:

I am actually quite "normal" compared to many other people I know or have come into contact with who have decided to tell me about their problems.

[Ahknaton]

Looks like abortion, the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, sex slavery, the Coliseum, etc. prove that the majority of people in an area can easily have "malformed brains." Come to think, that's an easy pill to swallow after browsing this forum for a while.


An augury of the future WNpire's inevitable triumph, it'z.
Just about everybody has some kind of psychological peculiarity or disorder, whether it be a phobia, a violent personality, insomnia, short attention span or whatever. Especially since just about every possible personality quirk gets diagnosed as a "mental disorder" these days. A 100% mentally healthy individual is the exception rather than the norm.

[Donny the Punk]

Potty, do you find that the majority of people out there are what you would call sane, these days?
Yes.

You are probably a serial killer in the making.:222:
No.

I was just commenting with a friend about how almost everyone we know in our age range seems to have some type of serious issues.
Unsurprising.

It is not surprising with how screwed up society is as a whole, the breakup of the traditional family having a major role, among many other things.
Irresponsible explanation.

[Helios Panoptes]

Looks like abortion, the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, sex slavery, the Coliseum, etc. prove that the majority of people in an area can easily have "malformed brains."

You have interpreted "morality" more specifically than was intended. It didn't imply that there is an underlying paradigm, which, properly understood, will show human behavior to conform to a single moral code. However, for instance, altruistic behavior(or "helping," if you like; I'm not interested in having the debate over whether or not it is really altrustic again) is common to all human societies(and other primates), is displayed by very young children, and so forth. It is a stretch to believe that it is purely conditioned and has no basis whatsoever in humans being social animals by nature. It is akin to believing that humans are purely conditioned to be social and could easily adopt a solitary arrangement.

[Starr]

The type of society one lives in definitely has a huge influence over what they may view as right or wrong. completely different societies are going to have people that have completely different ideas about "morality" Even basically the same society with changing times.(as harshly displayed, now, in the west, for one)

And you absolutely cannot talk about any type of wartime situations, since these things can drastically change people, a lot of times those changes are neccessary to get them through alive.

[il ragno]

Most antis reflexively reach for the DSM-IV when conversing with anyone who literally or metaphorically struggles against their societal restraints - not that they own one, or would understand it if they did, since they all assume they're qualified to do a full psych workup of total strangers they've never met via their Internet posts.....which not even charlatans with mail-order degrees who 'practice' psychiatry as a dodge to feel up women with problems believe possible.

I suppose I have the usual litany of tics and quirks but I don't stay up nights fretting over them. Certainly, a bonafide health problem (as opposed to a jaboney 'mental health' problem) would really concern me: I couldn't give two shits whether or not my opinions or lifestyle 'indicated' this or that to some weenie who writes Mumia fan letters, or makes microwave popcorn to watch file footage of Nazi officers being executed; but the appearance of a lump on my neck, or a close friend/loved one facing a severe illness, would likely have me apoplectic.

In real everyday life, I can veer from moody and introspective to charmingly gregarious; I give the people I meet and interact with a fair shake and the benefit of the doubt regardless of who they are or what they look like - that doesn't mean they're not mostly fucktards, but I at least give em a chance to show me they ain't; and I despise bullies, wolfpacks and the strong trampling the weak for a cheap, ugly power-fix. Beyond that, I live my life without apologies to anyone, particularly as we all of us have to tote around a certain portion of unhappiness and regret, like it or not.

[Starr]

People who are actually insane or have severe issues are quite interesting.

[cerberus]

Emotional control is not something that sociopaths are renowned for.

Sociopaths are not "plugged in to" their emotions in the same way you or I are. They lack the stability and maturity.
Thye are as a rule indifferent to others who are merely exist to service their needs. Their emtions are blunted and tend to be focused inwardly on themselves.
Similarly, a sociopath could be convinced that he has a conscience, if conditioned properly
The most effective form of treatment for psychopaths / sociopaths is an enviroment in which they are amongest their own kind and they make and enforce the rules - in a way its kind of conditioning backed up on the limited learning ability they have.
( This is not IQ related learning - its part of their make up , they just can't learn from experience).
This can only really operate within a defined clinical setting and in "the real world" just can't be the average Joe will simply walk away when he feels the presure building.

If you want to see real socioipaths / psychopaths you will see examples of them throughout the criminal courts - some extremely clever , some extremely violent , all indifferent to the consequences of their actions and to the damage and distress they leave in their wake.

Why you would ever want to pretend to be someone like this does beg the why question to be asked , you must have been getting something out of it .

Legal moves afoot to be proactive in dealing with these "ladies and gentlemen" in the UK - if law comes to pass they may be open to being detained in order to protect society from their actions.
Lots of " human rights" issues involved and there are pros and cons on both sides , the violent types do need to be isolated and monitored that is my 2d.

At an emotional / thinking level they can't interact on a mature level - it is the "id" which drives them , "superego" is poor developed.
That is how Dr. Sig. would look at it.
In the most extreme form think Bundy.

[Ahknaton]

People who are actually insane or have severe issues are quite interesting.
I agree. I love reading serial killer biographies.

[Helios Panoptes]

I have a confession to make....

I have removed the tags from every article of clothing that I wear and scissors just wouldn't do; I have developed a technique using a needle, which expunges them utterly. I cannot wear clothing until I have amended it.

:D

[brigadier Biggles]

The litany of mental disorders in this thread is staggering. Proportional to forum membership, it's as if you people inhabited a country where 80% of the citizenry suffered from three or more psychological dysfunctions. Either this is the much-vaunted, future WN state in microcosm or you're all starved for attention.

most people have problems you know, i doubt you're any different :rolleyes:.

[Anarch]

Episodes of spontaneous, overwhelming rage are often symptomatic of borderline personality disorder (which I doubt you have) and/or temporal lobe dysfunction.

That's comforting :(

I have been told by several people that I have a cold, detached, unsentimental personality; that I have a habit of analyzing people as opposed to feeling with them. I'm like the exact opposite of the excitable, colorful Med who talks with his hands. What does this mean? For example, I was criticized by my wife the other day for being critical of two homosexuals she happens to know who just had a huge funeral for their dog that died of old age. I tried to explain that the dog was just an animal (one that lived longer than most), but she insisted that I was missing the point; that the dog was, in their eyes, a family member and its death with the equivilant of losing a child. We had a long argument about this. I don't see how this would make me a sociopath. I have never had any problem empathizing with others. I'm actually quite passionate about things like science, progress, family, community, protecting the environment, and race betterment generally.

These are abstractions, generally. My dad felt depressed after the family's first pet rabbit died. I picked it up and threw it in the garbage bin, washed my hands, and went to school. My parents thought I was a cold bastard. I thought it was kind of amusing since my dad had been giving me shit about being 'sentimental' because I didn't volunteer to do 'my job' (feed the rabbit, change its straw) when I didn't want it in the first place, but on the other hand I didn't want to put it down (stick a .22 round in it, actually) - because my brother liked it. People are strange sometimes.

[cerberus]

two books on serial killers which are worth reading.
" Killing for Company" - Written about Denis Neilson ( ? did I get his name right ?) - he murdered young homeles men , in his falt , kept their bodies , took them out to "talk to them" , murder was interlaced with sexual crimes.
He was caught when the drains around his home beacme blocked - blocked with parts of bodies which he had attempted to dispose of.
A search of the area around his home produced a mas of evidence pointing to body dispoasl going back for many years.
He was quite open up front and "helpful".

Another "The Poisoner of St. Albams". His name won't come to me at the moment.
A very clever young man obessed with Hitler ,and the Devil.
he slowly poisoned his family , keeping detailed notes on what he gave , when he gave it , the effects it had on the victim - a dose by day record of murder.
( Graham Young was his name).
He worked in a chemical factory which produced photographic delelopment fluids and fixers , he used the base elements to kil .
He had an encyclopaedic knowledge of poisons and was as cold as they come.
He was sent to Broadmoor , a hospital for deranged criminals ( I think it was) and soon after his arrival he had managed to obtain a position of trust amongest the staf - always helpful and willing to help others , a kind word for all etc.
In short he "put them to sleep" and when he judgeed the time was right he started to poison them as well patients and staff - chemcicals in the tea.

He hanged himself eventually.

[cerberus]

I have removed the tags from every article of clothing that I wear and scissors just wouldn't do; I have developed a technique using a needle, which expunges them utterly. I cannot wear clothing until I have amended it.
We are all a little odd in our own ways.
Question is beacuse we are aware does that denote insight or just a level oc acceptance ?
I have to check plugs before I leave the house , and have even gone back to check again.
The obessional doubt is a killer - I go through phases of this , I can't pas a plug socket without looking at it - it annys me greatly to see a socket switched on and no plug in it , I just have to bend down and switch it off.
No magical thinking associated with it - nothing governing or driving this behaviour - I guess I am just a little odd .

Well more than a little.

[Gorilla]

I've gone crazy on drugs before, and can't seem to live it down.

[Geist]

you be all nuts, thus spake potty. but yeah it does not bode well.

my own mental state has always been up for ridicule amongst people i know, mild ocd, constant state of nervousness (fear of attacks etc.), utterly neurotic yet i have never had any real problems interacting with society.

i believe a lot of people bury this stuff, put on their favourite masks in order to deal woth society, sometimes you can catch it in their eyes.

all this wasnt helped by a few months of drug abuse including lsd which has utterly affected my ability to take the world seriously.

[Der Sozialist]

It is not surpising that a person with no moral sense would think that morality is "all conditioned." In this way, the person can enjoy the delusion that he has risen above the indoctrination to which his fellows have fallen, as opposed to the disconcerting belief that his utter amorality is symptomatic of a malformed brain.

Yes, that could be an interpretation but I still feel that I am correct. A soldier will kill his enemies with no moral pangs of guilt because the government told him that their murder is okay. If humans in general were moral in this sense, then we wouldn’t have wars etc. I believe, Helios, that I could offer you a certain reward where killing the ones you ‘love’ would seem very ‘attractive’.

I've had wavy hallucinations before. I think it might be from the long lasting effects of LSD. It doesn't happen any longer.
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My hallucinations have been mundane for the most part---once I saw a cat that didn’t exist but that is about as bizarre as mine get.

When I was a little I was convinced that the inanimate objects in my room were laughing at me—so much so that I took my anger out of my computer and received several stitches.

However, I always wanted to try LSD.

[Geist]

i dont recomment it if you feel in any way wary about it, it can get very uncomfortable and i mean exceptionally so.

[il ragno]

Tried it a couple of times, never again. It's brilliant if you're in a safe, happy, creative environment, but not always - all it takes is one bad trip to swear it off forever.

And it lasts much longer than you'll probably be prepared for. That's how my bad trip began...I was tired of it and anxious for it to end, but it was very strong microdot that lasted another 6-7 hours, and my anxiety magnified and took form. Scary and unending.

Like I said, never again; if I need a buzz, I'll smoke hydro.

[Slavic Enforcer]

This is not a test. State the things that you think make you 'abnormal'.

It makes no sense to talk about it, I would like to show it to you.

[OVERWATCH]

My hallucinations have been mundane for the most part---once I saw a cat that didn’t exist but that is about as bizarre as mine get.

When I was a little I was convinced that the inanimate objects in my room were laughing at me—so much so that I took my anger out of my computer and received several stitches.

However, I always wanted to try LSD.

This reminds me: I used to have auditory hallucinations all the time (this was before I even tried LSD); they were faintly audible, unintelligible voices I heard when I was in a quiet area, or laying in bed. Haven't had them in many years.

About LSD: be forewarned, this will definitely aggravate and intensify any sort of psychological issue which lurks beneath the surface.

[Gorilla]

LOL, I've been called a raving nutjob by two who hear voices, of which I never have. :p

[Anarch]

It's taken me two months to convince a f[r]iend of mine that it's not a cool idea to drop acid in my vodka when I'm drinking at a party. He thought it'd be cool. I disagree. He's now sworn not to do it. And I'm feeling slightly more comfortable.

[Anarch]

LOL, I've been called a raving nutjob by two who hear voices, of which I never have. :p
Yes, but we don't talk about ribs.

[Gorilla]

Of course I'd raise the subject, having the same as Hitler. Disbelieve me at your own peril-start a thread if you wish. :p

Where are all these numerous threads about RIBS, by the way?

[Sinclair]

Once I was on dexedrine for ADD or whatever. I think it caused various side-effects. I'd see things moving where nothing could be moving out of the corner of my eyes, I experienced formification (Feeling like bugs are on you), etc.

When I got off it, there was NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL in my concentration. I had no problem studying for midterm exams, for instance.

Guess I outgrew it.

And speaking of trouble with eye contact, I find eye contact to be a bit "uncomfortable". I am not the most social person around. However, people seem to like me, which is strange. However, with someone I don't know, I always worry about how I'm "coming off".

[Jimbo Gomez]

Of course I'd raise the subject, having the same as Hitler. Disbelieve me at your own peril-start a thread if you wish. :p

Where are all these numerous threads about RIBS, by the way?

You're the one who usually starts them, so why ask us?

[OVERWATCH]

It's taken me two months to convince a f[r]iend of mine that it's not a cool idea to drop acid in my vodka when I'm drinking at a party. He thought it'd be cool. I disagree. He's now sworn not to do it. And I'm feeling slightly more comfortable.

If someone did that to me, I'd kick their ass, rip off their leg, and beat them with the bloody stump.

[Sinclair]

The litany of mental disorders in this thread is staggering. Proportional to forum membership, it's as if you people inhabited a country where 80% of the citizenry suffered from three or more psychological dysfunctions. Either this is the much-vaunted, future WN state in microcosm or you're all starved for attention.

I think that mental issues often come off as sounding much more serious than they actually are when they're written down.

I'll admit it, I'm a bit odd. However, I'm fully functional, have gotten off of medications with no consequences, and don't spend my time being angsty about it.

And some of us aren't WNs.

[il ragno]

The litany of mental disorders in this thread is staggering. Proportional to forum membership, it's as if you people inhabited a country where 80% of the citizenry suffered from three or more psychological dysfunctions. Either this is the much-vaunted, future WN state in microcosm or you're all starved for attention.

Self-righteous prats still spray-painting NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF on restroom walls in 2006 are in no position to talk to anyone about mental health. Let's all chip in and buy Poty a ticket to the Russian hinterlands so he can at least take the real McCoy to task.

[jcs]

I've gone through some wicked bouts of depression for no reason at all. That is, no one died, no one got upset with me, etc. I just convinced myself, on an abstract level, that the world sucked, then got all depressed. Alternatively, I got depressed then convinced myself that the world sucked. The former seems more likely, unless this was a subconscious thing.
That doesn't happen anymore.

I'm also completely aloof. I can't really focus on anything, but am always looking for something on which to focus, and get sort of tunnel-visioned toward that thing before being distracted by something else. That is, my focus always shifts, and I barely notice anything save that which I am focused upon.
Meaning I wander around a lot and am always the guy to kick over someone's drink at a party.

[Gorilla]

You're the one who usually starts them, so why ask us?

Where are they?

http://www.thephora.net/forum/search.php?searchid=164365

Well?

[Jimbo Gomez]

I have no idea.

[Gorilla]

It seems I'll never live down the psycho days of a couple of years ago.

[sugartits]

I get depressed quite often. Nothing really intense, it just prevents me from getting anything done. I think I have manic episodes as well. I'll be depressed for a few months and then all of a sudden I'm on top of the world, feeling near invincible.

I also space out and get lost in thought constantly throughout the day. People usually ask me whats wrong, otherwise I don't think I would notice.

The most bizarre quirk I have is that I can 'feel' things by looking at them; usually edges or corners or gaps and spaces. Hard to explain. Right now the spaces between these letters are seeming weird to me. For some reason this makes me a compulsive scribbler, I'll doodle something for hours according to what 'feels' right. Anything that looks incomplete in the drawing will give me a really strange irritated feeling.

Thx for reading :p

[Berianidze]

It's taken me two months to convince a f[r]iend of mine that it's not a cool idea to drop acid in my vodka when I'm drinking at a party. He thought it'd be cool. I disagree. He's now sworn not to do it. And I'm feeling slightly more comfortable.

One of my friends tormented me in much in the same way only threatening to taint my coffee (which I drink roughly 20-30 cups a day) with LSD thinking it would be a great joke. I'm still uncomfortable having any open beverages around him and it has greatly distorted my ability to trust him in general.

[Fade the Butcher]

Has anyone else here ever played the count the bums on the street game?

[cerberus]

I recall a man who was well into the "horrors" ( D.T's) who was convinced that he was watching a donkey give birth to a cement mixer.

It is something which i just can't imagine , but even though the donkey existed only in his altered mind I did feel a slight degree of sympathy for the beast.

Drink does some crazy things to you , if you get too fond of it.

Nothing really intense, it just prevents me from getting anything done.
That sounds intense enough for me.

[Faustian Dreams]

Since my aunt and uncle from my father's side of the family both suffer from schizophrenia, I'm well acquainted with mental illness.

Subsequently, my standards for mental health and sanity are quite high--I do not accept people to have their eccentricities excused because it happens to fall within the wide margins of the status quo.

My roommate, for example, has a strange obsession with Batman. Four days of the week, he will wear a Batman t-shirt, and much of his room decorations are of the Batman theme.

Not only that, but he'll persistently ask me for hugs. I'm not sure of the reason for this (my assumption is he thinks he's being witty and humorous), but he does this quite often. Lastly, he is quite sedentary, and he watches television from the moment he awakens...and falls asleep to the hum of a television set!!! He does not believe (or did not believe) that he snores; his reasoning was that he'd never had anyone tell him that before. He is utterly solipsistic, and usually cannot comprehend the fact that I often speak in generalizations, taking offense to statements I make when I am not even speaking of him. When I enter the room, he is either standing there in a guard stance, or grinning from ear to ear in a very Jewish manner. His face is among the most annoying I've encountered.

He also has a horrible problem with reaction formation behavior. He calls me fatass, etc. and I just look at him and smile wryly, cracking a joke here and there which goes over his head (although aimed directly at him).

His girlfriend is similarly mentally inferior. She is afraid of people to the point where she abstains from using the elevator whenever possible, and her voice has that tinge of perpetual anxiety. She looks like she's afraid of getting raped--which is quite funny considering my roommate looks like a grimebag wop. She asked me yesterday whether I was an only child, and I'm sure she drew this conclusion because of the amount of self-confidence I display; her paradigm probably runs on the premise that when one has siblings they are bullied by their older siblings and antagonized by their younger ones. When the two are together, their conversations seem so forced and sparse, that I can't help but wonder if either of them realize how pathetic their relationship is.

So it is that I am always making note of how weak a relationship with reality many people have. From something as simple as being aware of others, many people fail at life.

To that extent, I don't think most people can be considered healthy or sane. If their grasp of truth and reality is not full-fisted, then it is as if it were nonexistant. It's all or nothing here!

City people generally fall into this category--neuroses abound! They can't grasp the fact of how resource consumption works, and how the existence of a large city such as New York defies logic and sustainability. These are the same people who fight for humanistic causes...things they've never encountered firsthand! These areas will breed the biggest egalitarians, the ones who want to eliminate race by miscegenation. They don't understand that the United States and the modern West is the exception rather than the rule. This is a wide-scale mental problem; a societal one.

An external locus of control is a mental deficiency; surrendering yourself to certain patterns of behavior because you feel that your circumstances are wholly outside of your control is suspicious behavior.

Escapism is also a mental deficiency; having to escape reality for some reason or another suggests that there are aspects of it one cannot deal with. Drinking, for example, is quite common among university students. They follow a binge-purge cycle, and they think themselves the lords of the earth while inebriated. Little do they realize that such behavior is temporally relative, and cannot be condoned after their graduation, lest they wish to be total fuck-ups or sub-par parents. They think that the alcohol surging through their veins epitomizes their youthful vigor...I see it as subduing oneself. It is an incomplete experience.

I am of the mind that if any of you become parents, you'll quickly forget any of this personal drama, as you'll have no time to sit around contemplating your eccentricities while changing diapers and feeding the children. You'd be embarrassed to look back at your past and allow for your state of mind and the resultant behavior to have persisted for so long. In such a way, as either Parent engaged or Child in play, without ego or self-consciousness, will one experience true mental health.

I am currently a child; I troll my acquaintances in real life, I ask piercing questions to anyone who lingers long enough, and I enjoy whimsy and mischief. As a parent, I'll do the same! Personal integrity implies consistence of personality, and Sanity presupposes an True conception of Reality.

[Berianidze]

Not only that, but he'll persistently ask me for hugs.
I couldn't help put laugh at that. The 1 year that I spent on campus in a dorm I had a roomate very similar to the one you described, although his obsession was with Spiderman, rather than Batman. He was an emotional wreck in constant need of attention and for some reason, despite by being totally complacent to everything he said he woudl constantly try to hug me. He would often times make my bed for me and CONSTANTLY asked if I was mad at him or if I didn't like him :confused:. It was the worst situation imaginable for my first year in college.

[Der Sozialist]

I am sorry you guys (Besoshvili and Faustian Dreams) but if my roommate asked for hugs I would ask for a different roommate.

[Helios Panoptes]

Yes, that could be an interpretation but I still feel that I am correct. A soldier will kill his enemies with no moral pangs of guilt because the government told him that their murder is okay. If humans in general were moral in this sense, then we wouldn’t have wars etc.

I disagree. There are territorial tendencies in humans(like many other primates), which explain their recurring warlike and xenophobic behavior patterns. I do not see a contradiction between war and a tendency to help.

I believe, Helios, that I could offer you a certain reward where killing the ones you ‘love’ would seem very ‘attractive’.

I really cannot think of anything that would be persuasive.

[riddlemethis]

FD:

Have the boys of the National Socialist Libertarian Green Party and the aptly-named ANUS heard of postpartum depression, or is your faith in popping out brats as a mental health panacea cribbed from the party line?

[Helios Panoptes]

Tried it a couple of times, never again. It's brilliant if you're in a safe, happy, creative environment, but not always - all it takes is one bad trip to swear it off forever.

Not necessarily. ;)

And it lasts much longer than you'll probably be prepared for. That's how my bad trip began...I was tired of it and anxious for it to end, but it was very strong microdot that lasted another 6-7 hours, and my anxiety magnified and took form. Scary and unending.

It does have a long duration, which is why psilocybin mushrooms are better for a first trip.

I have had DOB last upwards of 20 hours and 5-MeO-AMT last for 16.

[Berianidze]

I am sorry you guys (Besoshvili and Faustian Dreams) but if my roommate asked for hugs I would ask for a different roommate.

I tried, but there was a shortage of rooms and they didn't think my situation wasn't malicious or serious enough. :mad:

[Der Sozialist]

I disagree. There are territorial tendencies in humans(like many other primates), which explain their recurring warlike and xenophobic behavior patterns. I do not see a contradiction between war and a tendency to help.

I disagree. The average soldier often does not know who he is shooting against, has no negative emotions (outside of government propaganda) towards the so called ‘enemy’ but takes great delight (often) in his work.

Also, governments ‘desensitize’ future soldiers to the thought of killing—if morality was purely biological then this would have no effect.

If there is a biological component I believe it has to do with how easily one is conditioned and not necessarily any natural encoded set of morals.

I really cannot think of anything that would be persuasive.

It is easy to be moral via the internet.

However, don’t you believe that the special emotions reserved for your family is due to conditioning instead of any biological component? If I separated you from your parents at an early age and matched you with a compatible set (i.e. not clear that this set of parents is not biologically related to you), I doubt that you would feel any special emotions if you would happen to meet your real parents later on.

It is easy to see how such a special bond forms—at infancy one's life is dependant on their parents thus you have been conditioned to associate your parents with positive feelings. However, if I could replace those positive feelings with negative ones (via conditioning) I think you would have very little trouble killing them.

[Faustian Dreams]

FD:

Have the boys of the National Socialist Libertarian Green Party and the aptly-named ANUS heard of postpartum depression, or is your faith in popping out brats as a mental health panacea cribbed from the party line?

I believe you've horribly misread my statement. I'm not suggesting you reproduce (for the sake of all of us!), but rather that people need to gain perspective through genuine human interaction. You've conveniently omitted my statement about the fact that childhood offers a similar life outlook...Way to get hung up on the small details! Some people never fail to disappoint!

Postpartum depression is a relatively recent term tossed around by psychologists today. In the DSM-IV, nicotine addiction is listed while homosexuality (which is very much a paraphilia, in that it is not statistically normal) is not. I don't take their qualifications of mental health very seriously, considering how easily it is swayed by popular vote.

[Helios Panoptes]

I disagree. The average soldier often does not know who he is shooting against, has no negative emotions (outside of government propaganda) towards the so called ‘enemy’ but takes great delight (often) in his work.

Also, governments ‘desensitize’ future soldiers to the thought of killing—if morality was purely biological then this would have no effect.

If there is a biological component I believe it has to do with how easily one is conditioned and not necessarily any natural encoded set of morals.

I do not understand this argument. When did I say that it is necessary for a human or any organism acting territorially to know his enemy personally? Honestly, I am unable to interpret the above in a way that renders it relevant.

It is easy to be moral via the internet.

However, don’t you believe that the special emotions reserved for your family is due to conditioning instead of any biological component? If I separated you from your parents at an early age and matched you with a compatible set (i.e. not clear that this set of parents is not biologically related to you), I doubt that you would feel any special emotions if you would happen to meet your real parents later on.

It is easy to see how such a special bond forms—at infancy ones life is dependant on their parents thus you have been conditioned to associate your parents with positive feelings. However, if I could replace those positive feelings with negative ones (via conditioning) I think you would have very little trouble killing them.

I do not understand this argument, either. For the sake of elucidation: there is a "biological component" to my becoming what I am. That is, to my developing into a human having the physical and psychological characteristics that I have. However, it was also necessary for this "biological component" to be cultivated; were I terribly malnourished, for instance, I likely would not have reached my current height. Does the fact that I may have been significantly shorter than 6' 2'' if my environment were less conducive to the development of height prove that there isn't a biological component to height? No.

In short, my position is that organisms have a biological capacity, even what may loosely be termed an inclination, to develop in a certain way, but it is definitely possible to stunt them.

[Der Sozialist]

I do not understand this argument. When did I say that it is necessary for a human or any organism acting territorially to know his enemy personally? Honestly, I am unable to interpret the above in a way that renders it relevant.

Put it this way: How is a soldier in Iraq acting territorially?

I do not understand this argument, either. For the sake of elucidation: there is a "biological component" to my becoming what I am. That is, to my developing into a human having the physical and psychological characteristics that I have. However, it was also necessary for this "biological component" to be cultivated; were I terribly malnourished, for instance, I likely would not have reached my current height. Does the fact that I may have been significantly shorter than 6' 2'' if my environment were less conducive to the development of height prove that there isn't a biological component to height? No.

In short, my position is that organisms have a biological capacity, even what may loosely be termed an inclination, to develop in a certain way, but it is definitely possible to stunt them.

Why do you believe that a biological basis exists for a ‘universal set’ of morality?

After all, drop the laws and you will see the murder rate skyrocket.

[Helios Panoptes]

Put it this way: How is a soldier in Iraq acting territorially?

Because Americans think planet earth is their territory. :rofl:

Why do you believe that a biological basis exists for a ‘universal set’ of morality?

I do not believe there is "that there is an underlying paradigm, which, properly understood, will show human behavior to conform to a single moral code." However, there are basic "moral" similarities between all human societies, which may diverge in many other ways, including the inessential specifics of their moral codes.

[Der Sozialist]

Because Americans think planet earth is their territory.

Well….

I doubt the common solider in Iraq is there for any territorial conquests or more barrels of oil…

I do not believe there is "that there is an underlying paradigm, which, properly understood, will show human behavior to conform to a single moral code." However, there are basic "moral" similarities between all human societies, which may diverge in many other ways, including the inessential specifics of their moral codes.

While I do believe that there are ‘similarities’—I believe that these similarities have nothing to do with what we presently associate with morals: like thou shall not steal.

The only difference between a Sociopath and a ‘normal’ person, in my opinion, is his rejection of the group but not necessarily any different attitudes regarding murder or the like.

[Helios Panoptes]

Well….

I doubt the common solider in Iraq is there for any territorial conquests or more barrels of oil…

That was a joke, son.

I do not believe he is there to conquer, either. It is more likely that he was employed in the military and was simply sent there when the war happened or has enlisted to defend the united states against a perceived threat.


While I do believe that there are ‘similarities’—I believe that these similarities have nothing to do with what we presently associate with morals: like thou shall not steal.

The only difference between a Sociopath and a ‘normal’ person, in my opinion, is his rejection of the group but not necessarily any different attitudes regarding murder or the like.

That is not the only difference. Sociopathy is a sequelae of alterations to the orbital and ventromedial cortices, amongst others.

[Anarch]

Has anyone else here ever played the count the bums on the street game?

I play count the Aussies while driving through Springvale, if that counts (it's overwhelmingly Asian. If you count more than 10 Aussies, it's considered a great day).

[Anarch]

After all, drop the laws and you will see the murder rate skyrocket.

Only temporarily. Then people will organise into mutual protection groups, grab guns, create laws and start hanging people and/or shooting them for various crimes.

[Der Sozialist]

That was a joke, son.

I do not believe he is there to conquer, either. It is more likely that he was employed in the military and was simply sent there when the war happened or has enlisted to defend the united states against a perceived threat.

I was aware of that. :)

ociopathy is a sequelae of alterations to the orbital and ventromedial cortices, amongst others.

I wasn’t aware of this. I will look into it.

Only temporarily. Then people will organise into mutual protection groups, grab guns, create laws and start hanging people and/or shooting them for various crimes.

Yes, hence the reason societies form and rule of law is established. This does not necessarily indicate, however, that people cooperate because of a ‘set’ of morals but rather because it is advantageous concerning their survival—after all, a sociopath will cooperate with the group as long as he deems it to be beneficial.